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Posted by: lafngas
have him check the air inlet and outlet on the engine for the tranny to see if the tubes are tight..... I had the same problem and one of the tubes were off the engine ...put it back on and tightened the clamp and PRESTO.......problem fixed! Now I can go through 3 feet of water and no problems!
Posted by: 2manytoys
The Grizz is a tough quad. Good power and very reliable. I am a Polaris guy and everything from the sp500 ho and up are also great. But I would definately try the Brute Force 650 and 750. The Bruteforce is ALL power. This thing pulls hard all the way up. Other then the Sp800efi I have never ridden a ute with this much power. The KQ has tons of power but I dont trust it with all the problems. Try the BF you wont be dissapointed.
Posted by: 2manytoys
The only complaint that Polaris has is the noisey drivetrain and some small issues with the efi. Other then that they are tough, reliable, lots of power, storage compartments are very cool, they look awsome, they are heavy because they are built like a tank. Even with being so heavy they still handle better then most others.
Posted by: Starky
I'm like Curls, I had a 04 Griz but my wife claimed it. I like it so much I bought a 05 Griz. We're hoping that if we keep them together they will mate and give us 125's or something.
Posted by: Starky
Little Bill, you can't say ALL Grizzlies are bad because you saw one snap an axle. Obviously there was a flaw in that particular axle. That's like saying all Chevy trucks are bad because I saw one get a flat tire.
Posted by: grizzkiller
once you try the power of the brute force 750 there is no going back, EVERYTHING is slow after riding the BRUTE
Posted by: grizzkiller
kawis 4wd system works as good as any other.
Posted by: grizzkiller
holding the locker for what? i have my hooked to my winch, just hit the button up and down the winch goes. not difficult, pretty simple i do believe.and with the brute i dont need difflock to plow snow, its got more snot that you can imagine. and i dont bury myself in a mudhole in 2wd drive then go "man now ive done it". switching to 4wd drive on any bike doesnt mean you will always get out. no matter what you ride.
Posted by: Bluethumb
650 Cat
Posted by: Bluethumb
Why the Cat? Biggest ground clearance, V-Twin motor, MRP racks, highest rack capacity, 2" truck style tow hitch, 6.5 gallon gas tank, locker, 2 year warranty, and on it goes. You should at the very least go look at it, preferably ride it. If you're shopping around, shop anround and look at everything. Cheers
Posted by: Bluethumb
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Originally posted by: neversunk
But its so f*****ugly! Ok....I'll look.....
Ugly compared to what? A Polaris? A Bombardier? There's worse out there. How 'bout a John Deere, now that's ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. I like the 05's, but they don't just look pretty.
Posted by: kawasaskirules
don't like any power between your legs huh?
Posted by: CaptainQuint
With the serious problems with the KQ regarding the reverse gear and all associated ECM swapping, bearing replacement, warranty extensions, non-warranty extensions and everything else I think it would be stupid to buy a KQ at this point. Maybe in a year or two when they have truly fixed the problems but not now. I'm sooooo glad I didn't buy one. I feel sorry for those that did and those that will without knowing of the defect. When they get the bugs worked out it will most likely be an excellent quad. One of the best ever probably.
Given the choice between the Griz and the KQ I would get the Griz in a heartbeat. The Griz had some teething problems but they seem to have all the bugs worked out and it is a solid quad from most reports.
I'm leaning towards the Brute Force but the Griz is next on the list. I need to ride both on the dirt before I know for sure. Arranging that has been difficult. Dealers need a loaner quad. One you can take home for an afternoon or day (with proper collateral of course) to get a better feel of the machine rather than just a spin around the parking lot or across the grass.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
I'd consider a Polaris if it didn't have that single brake lever and if it had a normal 4x4 system with a front locker. I liked the ride and the power and I could even live with the ass ugly looks but single lever brakes, 4x4 system I just couldn't live with. I hated going down hill with the thing. It wanted to slide around and felt really squirrelly.
Posted by: Outrage
I didn't take the time to read all the posts but here's my 2 cents:
First off let me just say I live in Alaska and ride some harsh terrain. I ride with lots of different folk who ride all different sizes and brands of quads. All in all most new quads you buy today are very good and you will more than likely be happy with whatever you decide to go with. Since you are looking at big bores here&39;s a list of quads I ride with:
King Quad 700 EFI
Brute Force 750
Sportsman 700
Grizzly 660
Prairie 650
H1 650
We are all pretty good riders and can take these quads anywhere we dare so it&39;s hard to say which one is really better. It really depends on your preference and riding style. All these quads have power so there shouldn&39;t be any worries there. Instead of going over all these quads I&39;ll just give you my opinion on the two that you are looking at (KQ & Grizz).
First off if you get a KQ you will get it with both the ECM & Reverse issue fixed so no worries there. I&39;m sure you know all the specs of both machines so I skip all that…besides who cares; it&39;s how they handle on the trail that we all want to know about. The Grizzly is an awesome machine and I can&39;t say enough good things about it but IMO the KQ edges it out in just about every category. More power & better handling for starters. The KQ is faster and a bit more maneuverable too. As for mud pits they both are great but the KQ seems to struggle a little bit less than the powerful Grizzly.
The best thing you can do is ride them both and go with your gut. Neither machine will let you down so buy one already and get to riding.
RAGE
Posted by: GITRDONE
Engine brake is the culprit there.
I however like the engine brake & the shimmy is the side effect.
You can take the engine brake off.
Posted by: Curls
I would wait on the King Quad for awhile until the reverse problem is addressed. I own a 2004 Grizzly and it's a little dated now, but a very solid quad. The mechanical issues have all been worked out and performance is still very good. So far in over 1000 miles it's cost me $32.00 in maintenance, not including oil changes. My wife has adopted the quad so I was shopping new quads. I thought I was going to buy the KQ, but there are too many things I just don't like. I hate the floor boards for one. They are set up like a sport quad with no support other then the foot pegs. The racks are very small and the limited RPM in reverse and the off idle hesitation are just a few of my issues.
Posted by: LittleBill
eh i don't know how reliable the griz is.. look for my post in yamaha forum, an 05 660 griz just snapped his axle at the cv boot at 500 miles, thats not something i would be really impressed with, and i was watching him, he just went up a normal hill when it snapped
Posted by: Kodiakguy
Really? It doesnt seem to bother me at all, just plan ahead and your fine...
Posted by: Kodiakguy
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Originally posted by: neversunk
OH yes...I like the fact that it does work well.....I just never seem to be able to "plan" on being stuck and need to switch over immediately if I do. Plus, operating a winch for a plow as well as manually holding down the locker at the same time does'nt work that well I'm sure.
Buy a 40 dollar PENLOCK and you wont have to hold it....however you still have the option of holding it if you want.
Posted by: PolarisTheOnlyWayOut
Well I myself am a Polaris fan but sicne u have narrowed it down to two bikes i would deffinetly give the edge to tha Grizz...my best friend has one and it treats him good...the only downside is everytime we go through deep water he gets gallons of water in his clutch...and i mean it kould be a foot of water and he gets some water in it...that is the only problem we have com across...
Posted by: PolarisTheOnlyWayOut
We have and he is totally going to redo his tranny exhaust and intake...he is gonna seal it up and mabey even do the engine intake....
Posted by: silverbullet2005
both machines are nice but have you looked into a polaris yet, I am not trying to push the brand cuz that is what I have but I just believe it's a good brand and I have been very satisfied with mine so far but between the grizzly and the King Quad I would go with the KQ due to the EFI.
Posted by: squarehead1219
i got a 05 griz. and i love it. the only bad thing so far is that reverse is to high of a gear but other than that its awesome. I just put 27" mudlites on it and it looks sweet too. It preforms awesome in the mud, the locking diff is great too, nothing is stopping this. Ihadnt had any problems with the belt slipping and ive been through so thick and deep mud. I has plenty of power also, Im a big guy too 6'4" about 250 and i have no problems towing me around, I got it up to around 60 MPH but my friend who is alot smaller than me had it up to 68. When I was looking at the grizzlys i wasnt quite sure about the auto tranmission but its good , it shifts really smoth, no problems. But overall its a great machine and you wouldnt be sorrry if you got one.
well good luck
Posted by: Sluggo312
I just want to know if Starky gets his 125s from the mating grizzlys. I have an 05 grizz and if they can reproduce I'll run out and get another right away!
Posted by: sdbowhunter
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Originally posted by: neversunk
OK I checked the cats....I don't like em. I like the polaris 4 wd system the best...Kawasaki definately not, Yami is acceptable....but the polaris seems to have the edge with the on the fly 4 wd, EFI, ground clearence and smooth ride. I'm not happy with the weight of the unit because I will be using it for ice fishing, but that was where the KQ got my additional vote over the polaris....the weight. Ritchie Powersports in Tenn is advertising a polaris sp 700 EFI for $6578 out the door and the 800 EFI for $7377 out the door. I especially like their glacier plow system. I read a few too many posts about the Griz breaking axles. Anybody know of anything bad to watch for on the Polaris? I have heard good things about their warranty coverage, and I think they have a "limited" lifetime belt warranty whatever that means.
The competetion has to be grinning all the way to the bank over the KQ issue......the pricing on all the competetions units in that catagory are pretty close so I doubt many people will avoid another brand due to price. Especially if you consider that with a KQ you might end up with a $2500 repair bill two or three years from now....
I have a 05 SP700EFI and I can tell you that you wouldn't be dissapointed at all. I have 700 miles on mine and haven't had one problem.
Posted by: sdbowhunter
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Originally posted by: neversunk
I agree on the single brake lever. I'm a street biker....and it just does'nt feel right to me to have both front and rear brakes on one lever. Just personal preference I guess....although I love the idea of the vtwin except for trying to keep both carbs adjusted (or rather trying to find out which one is in need of adjustment when you have a problem)
Polaris 600 and 700's don't have a v-twin, they have a even firing paralel twin. They only have one carb on them too.
Posted by: HillRaider
even with some of the first year bugs i would go with the KQ they're standing behind them very well so far at least they have been for me but if you're looking for a sporty 4x4 the King is King Grizzlies are awesome i ride with 5 of them but as far as sport performance they can't touch a king even though a grizz could pull one backwards i still love it
Posted by: farginicehole
Yeah, just mount a BF750 and see how it feels. Then start it up and listen to that sweet motor. . . . . . and if you're still not convinced, put it in gear, hold on TIGHT, and hit it!!!
Posted by: neversunk
Hey loanshark....sounds like you and I are floating around in the same boat! I've also heard a couple things about the griz axles, but I like so many things about it. The KQ was my choice....not with the trans issue. I'm actually thinking about the 500 ho polaris but can't seem to find much said about them except most owners are happy with them....can anyone give a good comparison of that to the 660 griz? Is the griz a gas hog?
Posted by: neversunk
But its so f*****ugly! Ok....I'll look.....
Posted by: neversunk
OK I checked the cats....I don't like em. I like the polaris 4 wd system the best...Kawasaki definately not, Yami is acceptable....but the polaris seems to have the edge with the on the fly 4 wd, EFI, ground clearence and smooth ride. I'm not happy with the weight of the unit because I will be using it for ice fishing, but that was where the KQ got my additional vote over the polaris....the weight. Ritchie Powersports in Tenn is advertising a polaris sp 700 EFI for $6578 out the door and the 800 EFI for $7377 out the door. I especially like their glacier plow system. I read a few too many posts about the Griz breaking axles. Anybody know of anything bad to watch for on the Polaris? I have heard good things about their warranty coverage, and I think they have a "limited" lifetime belt warranty whatever that means.
The competetion has to be grinning all the way to the bank over the KQ issue......the pricing on all the competetions units in that catagory are pretty close so I doubt many people will avoid another brand due to price. Especially if you consider that with a KQ you might end up with a $2500 repair bill two or three years from now....
Posted by: neversunk
I could'nt live with the 4wd system on the BF up here......it would be too frustrating...
Posted by: neversunk
OH yes...I like the fact that it does work well.....I just never seem to be able to "plan" on being stuck and need to switch over immediately if I do. Plus, operating a winch for a plow as well as manually holding down the locker at the same time does'nt work that well I'm sure.
Posted by: neversunk
I agree on the single brake lever. I'm a street biker....and it just does'nt feel right to me to have both front and rear brakes on one lever. Just personal preference I guess....although I love the idea of the vtwin except for trying to keep both carbs adjusted (or rather trying to find out which one is in need of adjustment when you have a problem)
Posted by: neversunk
Since you live in Ohio heres a couple good prices near you for a griz....$6249 at Abernathy (Tenn I think) and $6195 at Chicago Cycle. I think the outfit near Toledo (Honda East?) might bend over for ya a bit and match or at least get near to those prices...salesman named "Nick" did that for someone else I was emailing with last month....let us know what happens
Posted by: LOANSHARK
Well I had pretty much decided on the Grizzly but now I'm not so sure. From what I've read the Trans. on the Grzz is one of the best of the belt versions, but I'm concerned about the strenght of the rest of the drive train. I also think I would prefer fuel injection.
This is a tough decision.
This will be my first ATV. I'll use it for fun mostly but I could see it getting used for work in the future. Also I'm 6'1" and about 290 lbs.
Please help.
Posted by: LOANSHARK
Okay Bluethumb, Why the 650Cat? What does it do better than the other machines? To be honest I hadn't even considered the Cats, because nothing about them stands out to me.
Maybe I missed something.
Posted by: LOANSHARK
Well there's allot of good information in this thread. Thanks for all the responses so far. I'm still leaning toward the Grizzly. I've heard allot of good things about it, The major complaints all seem to have fixes that seem easy enough and I've been impressed with the Yamaha's that I've had experience with in the past.
Posted by: bulkdriverlp
traxter has more bells and whistles and has gear to gear tranny, not a rubber band
Posted by: Fireescape109
I'm not a pro or a salesman. But I will teyou the 650 BF is one of the fastest quad's out there. I have a KQ and I will tell you no matter what you buy it will slip belts if you take it too deep. I have a buddy with a Grizzly 660, a Vinson 500, Honda 500's, Honda 350 fourtrax, Prairie 700 and I tell you they are all awsome quad's. All have particulars but all are good. You notice I did not mention Polaris or Artic cat. I did not because they are not as popular where I live. And I think they make up their shortcoming's with beating the competetors on price. As for spending 250.00's to fix in two years, what esle will last that long?
