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Posted by: Kawi650
I would take the BF. I would also look at the P700 or the BF650. You got an awsome low range and a diffi lock. I'm very comfortable on very steep climbs on my 700, haven't drove a 750 yet up steep hills I did have it on the side chambers and didn't mind it but I would rather the 700.
Posted by: AtvBoy1
I had been researching the big bore market for quite some time after selling my previous quad. A '92 Suzuki King Quad which in its own right was one of the best, if not the best in its day. I did a lot of searching, reading, riding and talking before being sold on an '03 650 Kawasaki Prairie originally. I only kept the bike for 2 days before re-selling it back to the dealer. Basically I was already used to an Independent rear end quad coming from the King. So I decdided to be paitent and not jump in too quick again and continued looking. I needed IRS I felt because of the very rugged mountain trails and terrian here. I have always been a Honda fan for their quality and service. So now I have opted for the '05 Rincon non-gps model. Basically it has about the same amount of drawbacks as the Prairie 650 did, only in different areas. No one can judge for themselves until they have ridden these bikes in the types of terrians where they will be used. Others' opinions are hard to draw conclusions from. So I decided to try the Rincon because I had read it was more of a trail bike. First off Power/Motor. A big debated issue with the Rincon. When I first got the bike home it felt quick and nible. Not as quick or strong on the bottom as the 650 Prairie though. It did have a bad sputter or hesitation right on the bottom if you hit WOT. So I got the dyno jet kit and installed some different jets and re-adjusted the carb. This did help. The hesititation is gone completely now and the quad has a little more low end. After I did this mod I also installed a K&N High Flow Air filter. Now the Rincon will wheelie if you hit WOT and pull back on the bars pretty good. Power is good and is ample for this bike but is not its strong point or key feature like the Prairie. It's only part of the package. I would also rate this Honda motor above any in terms of reliability and quality. Honda's strong point has always been the longevity and dependability of their engines in pacticular. One thing that kind of eerks me about this engine is the cold natured beast. It is very cold natured and it hasn't even gotten real cold here yet but needs the choke to start usually and then often dies or takes a very ample amount of time to warm up. I would say on a scale of 1 to 10 I would give the Rincon a 7 in Power/Engine. Handling/Ride/Tranny. Probably the Rincon's strongest feature is the suspension and handling ability. Although even that is somewhat hampered by the 3 speed transmission in certain conditions and no low speed engine braking.
The quad handles and turns very easily and with precision. It's easy to break the rearend loose and power slide this quad also. It is a blast to ride this quad on open roads, logging roads, or fire roads. The faster, the better it likes it and you always feel in control. It isn't overly plush either like some have reported the Sportsmans to be. It's more on the sporty side with the IRS ground clearance. Also the quad isn't too big or bulkish feeling on the trails either. Here's the problem. If you are going to be riding the Rincon in very steep or moderatley steep trail conditions you may have trouble. And not just decending or downhilling. The 3 speed's 1st gear is pretty tall and it's too tall for serious trail riding in very rugged and steep conditions. You can not lug or crawl at very slow speed on technical trails with this bike. It is simply not made to go slow with. Up or down. Up you are always giving it more throttle than you should have to and going down is probably worse because there is NO engine braking at slow speed. The quad basically freewheels like it was in neutruel when downhilling.
Yesterday I cut a small chesnut tree down on my property and hooked the Rincon to it with a chain. I dragged it off but barely. It wasn't even that heavy but the Rincon wouldn't turn the tires with any speed. It set there and had to use wot to break the tires loose! My old King Quad 300 would have spun like crazy if you hooked it to a standing ttree! It would spin no problem in first gear hooked to a house!
This Rincon is more like having a quad with a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear transmission. To me thats how it feels as the first is definitley not low enough for pulling and 4X4 applications like this.
I can pretty much say for sure I will be selling my Rincon. I think in the long run I would have been better to have kept the Prairie 650 and may even trade for the P700 or the Brute.
You live and learn just trying to help others make an informed decision.
Posted by: Outrage
Sorry but I couldn't believe this post when I saw it. I didn't read what everyone else had wrote but are you for real?
The Rincon couldn't even beat my Sukuki Vinson up a mountain and the price of the Rincon is crazy. You don't even get the functions/options as you do on some 400cc machines. Please.
I'm not going to tell you what to get but let me just leave you with this. If you are looking for 700cc machine have a look at the Suzuki King Quad. IMO it's the best machine out there right now and the best part is that it's cheaper than any other 700cc.
Posted by: OuterLimit
I've owned a Rincon, a Prairie 700, and a Grizzly. The Rincon was the worst of the bunch, and is on par with most other manufacturers 450cc ATVs when it comes to power. In a 300' drag race the Prairie 700 will beat it by at least a hundred feet, and the Brute Force will barely edge out the Prairie, so you tell me how the Rincon stacks up when it comes to power. I also hated the transmission on our Rincon, and would never recommend one to someone else, even if just for that reason.
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Posted by: Curls
FormulaLt1
Add to that wish list a high and low and 4 gears on the tranny and i'd buy it.
Posted by: grizzlysrock
Brute force for sure are you kidding me?? A Rincon?
Posted by: 4xZuk
The Rincon's suspension is actually better-if not for the KQ-I'd say the best. Here-in lies the problem: P-O-W-E-R!!!!! The BF flat F-in' Whales on the Honda. There is no comparison. The problem w/ the BF is the suspension. It's a little "un-sorted". Right now, w/out a shoot-out to determine the winner, the 800 Sportsman and the KQ are neck-n-neck for over-all. Before you HP junkies rant about power, consider that we're talking about total package. If you can't get the power to the ground-----in a respectable way (read: SPORTING as well as mud-bogger), don't preach to me! Yeah, I ride a Vinson. More power? Yeah, it could use some. But, I've ridden all of the above. Back to the beginning.................
Posted by: FormulaLT1
i wouldn't want a rincon, single cylinder 650, no front diff lock, and that ridiculous 3 speed transmission. i'd pick several quads over it, and the brute would be at the top of my list. honda used to be the best, and maybe reliability wise they may still have the edge, but other than that they dissappoint me, and IMO are falling behind all the other manufacturers. honda needs to wake up, quit worrying about weight and stuff and build an awesome machine, IRS, 700 or larger twin, hondamatic tranny, in/out 4x4 with diff lock, now that'd be a cool honda, but i doubt it'll happen.
Posted by: FormulaLT1
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Originally posted by: BigBear03
Some of these post here are great. Some one mentioned look at "total package" overall and not just "HP". I agree with that statement 100%. I looked at the 2005 rincon on fri 20th and I must say it is a Sport/Util hybrid IMO. I will not be negative about the machine but if that is your cup of tea so be it. As far as the Honda line up for 05' I still think the Foreman 450 is unstopable with the right mods. I dont know really why I'm looking at new quand. I'm not on the market to get a new one untill maybe 2006 but it seems all the new BIG MONSTERS are full of plastic especialy the rincon and I wish the mfg's would keep protection, durabiltiy and function in mind instead of flashy plastic/fairings etc.
The Foreman is now a 500 for 05.
Posted by: BigBear03
Some of these post here are great. Some one mentioned look at "total package" overall and not just "HP". I agree with that statement 100%. I looked at the 2005 rincon on fri 20th and I must say it is a Sport/Util hybrid IMO. I will not be negative about the machine but if that is your cup of tea so be it. As far as the Honda line up for 05' I still think the Foreman 450 is unstopable with the right mods. I dont know really why I'm looking at new quand. I'm not on the market to get a new one untill maybe 2006 but it seems all the new BIG MONSTERS are full of plastic especialy the rincon and I wish the mfg's would keep protection, durabiltiy and function in mind instead of flashy plastic/fairings etc.
Posted by: 700pteamgreen
neither one is as fun to ride as the prairie 700. irs quads just feel like they are going to turn over and are not as fun to ride as the prairie. the prairie has won more shootouts than all the big bores combined and has proven itself time and again. i rode with one of each of the rincon and brute force over the weekend on some really tight trails with mud, water, sand, logs, ruts, just all conditions pretty much, and the prairie is just the all around do it all machine. the honda is really not well suited for anything that i can see due to having nearly no brakes or engine braking and the brute force just has way more power than it even needs. and yes, i did drag race the bf. both of us in 4wd i could pull it for about 200 feet then it would slowly reel me in but never passed me before we had to shut down. both my quad and my buddies are new and have less than 15 hours on them and both bone stock. out on the trails the bf has trouble hanging with me because it is so big and bulky and does not handle very good at all. i personally am uncomfortable on it because i am only 5'8 and 195 pounds. the bf would really need a 6 foot plus rider that is fairly strong to ever be able to enjoy it. imo the prairie is just an absolute winner in the big bore class. just my 2 hay pennies.
Posted by: hondaaboy
a brute force prolly has twice the power of the rincon
Posted by: HoboJoe
I do a lot of steep mountain riding and some casual trail riding. Does any body have an idea of which quad would be best 4 me?
Thanks,
Will
Posted by: millsd
If you're doing a lot of steep mountain riding, I'd probably go with something like the prairie or Grizzly. The BF is really high and likely pretty unnerving down a steep slope. I personally have a 2005 AC 650. Not sure why anyone would need more power than that unless you're drag racing. The only catch with the utility atvs (at least the ac) is the heavy steering.
BTW...I looked at the BF as well before deciding. Seems like a nice ride except for the height and the seat. Of course, like most people, I wanted it because the engine was the biggest at the time, which is TOTALY unecessary. Now I'm happy with my AC, though I still have to get used to the steering (and perhaps change out the oem tires).
Posted by: chrisbruteforce98
Ive been on both sides of this. I use to have a rincon. In my oppinion if you jsut want to drive it around the farm and check some cows then its my choice. But you put it in any mud or rocky terrain. Hold on tight. The brute is a better all around quad. I have no complaints with mine. Let them get some bugs worked out. But when you hit a brutes gas hold on to your hat. And it rides like a caddy. It all just depends on what you want to do with it. Climbing rock id deff say go with a brute.
Posted by: chrisbruteforce98
P.S. When you tear the tranny out of the rincon get you your check book. Its gonna cost you.
