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Posted by: jaybeecon55
When I went new quad shopping two years ago a dif lock was on my list of must-haves. The old King Quad had the locker so I was used to having one. Taking in all the features that I was looking for, My choices came down to the Kawi 360, Rancher or Eiger - I chose the Eiger as it fit me best even though it did not have a front dif lock. Would I prefer it if it had a locker? Of course. I've gotten stuck in mud holes where a locker might have kept me going. I've also made it through mudholes that have swallowed locker equipt ATV's.
The next time I ATV shop, a dif lock will again be on my list of wants. Maybe I'll wind up with one, maybe not - depends on the other features of the bike.
Jaybee
Posted by: EasterEgg
DirtVH
On my Prairie the locker will NOT grab if engaged while the tires are spinning. I have had this happen to me. You can be moving but the limited slip will not engage the 4th wheel if 3 are spinning. I believe it says something smiliar in the manual as well.
So if the limited slip is not enough traction you have to get out of the throttle, pull lever and then back on the throttle. Losing valuable momentum. Personnally I have no trouble steering with the front locked as long as I don't need a full lock turn. When ever the obstacle is questionable I always lock first.
Camo-man
The front wheels on a Polaris will not engage until the rear wheels are going 20% (about 1/5th of a revolution) faster than the fronts. When you are turning the outside wheel spins 17% faster than the rear and that is why it will not engage. You can play with tire diameters to change how quickly the fronts engage. I did this on my Scrambler 500, it engaged almost instant, the down side is when it's in AWD as soon as you turn the fronts lock.
Having owned and ridden both I'm not sure which I liked better Polaris AWD or the options of 2 wd, limited slip and locked. Each performed well. I find I do run the Prairie in limited slip 4x4 more than 2wd because all it does is spin
Posted by: Camo-man
Is it true that the Polaris front wheels will not spin unless the rear tires break loose??
Just asking, A polaris guy told me this and it did not sound right, just looking for the correct answer..
Posted by: Camo-man
I'm with grizz76,
No guess work,, I'm locked and ready to roll....
Posted by: lafngas
I have a Kodiak 450 and I have to stop to engage the diff. lock and it will only let you go 3 mph intill its fully engaged! There has been times were I am all ready stuck and can't move and go to engage the diff. lock and it won't go in enless I mess with it , switching from reverse to drive a few times and it finally engages! I think that kinda sucks but i have lived with it and at least it is there and will work. I am now starting to lock it up before I think I will need it but it is a real hard when your on rocks and there is very little slipage for the tires, wondering if that will break an axle? Time will tell!
Posted by: Specta
IMO, the viscous lock that the Bomb's use it the best all around locking differential on any ATV and Polaris&39;s “True 4-WD” is the worst. The only time Polaris works is going forward aggressively (if all the switches and sensors, and hubs are working, this has to be the highest failure 4-wd system of any ATV). Coming down steep hills the rear wheels lock up and you just slide down the hill (saved by the one brake lever).
I would guess the "lever-lock" like Yamaha uses would be #2, but they seem to be too restricted by limiters.
Lockers are more aggressive than limited slips, no argument there. What we have works great for us in all conditions, rock crawling, mud, snow, trail riding, and anywhere we point it.
Posted by: Specta
"IMO, the viscous lock that the Bomb's use is the best all around locking differential on any ATV."
"are you actually suggesting that bomb's limited slip locker is superior to a real locker???"
Please read what I posted. I did not say "superior to a real locker". I said, "best all around". Huge difference.
I did not say it is more aggressive, but a "better all around system." If I had my choice, I would take the viscous lock over a locker.
Lockers have their advantages and disadvantages and for me their advantages just don't justify having one in the front differential.
"im talking in terms of capability. if i were concerned with steering effort and comfort id lay around on the couch. i want to find big nasty rocks and then i want to prove to myself that im good enough to climb over them so for me its all about capability. limited slip systems do not provide the same level of traction as a real locker and if you think otherwise youre either fooling yourself or youre most unfamiliar with rock crawling."
Where did anyone say a limited slip provides the same or more aggressive traction as a locker????? The point is, not everyone is out trying to prove to themselves that they are good enough to climb over some big rock. Not everyone needs or has a use for a locker. If you do, then you had better have one.
I guess for the rest of us might as well stay home and lay on the couch because not everyone is trying to prove to ourselves that we can climb over that big nasty rock. I too have done a lot of rock crawling in Moab and Colorado in past years and very well under stand the differences in limited slips and lockers. Good and bad. Lockers can be your worst enemy in some circumstances and your best friend in others. Only lockers “lock”, and limited slips allow for “limited slippage”. Kind of funny where they get their names.
If I want to go rock crawling, i will take a rock crawler, not an ATV.
"matter of fact, just look at my jeep rubicon as a perfect example of the topic at hand!"
Rubicon Jeep? Below is a link to my daughter&39;s “real rock crawler”. I believe this is the "perfect example". You're killing me!!
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=7936d6a6b0820413fa1eb9e98d1dbbc3&threadid=225352
Posted by: Specta
So, who won?
Posted by: Specta
I'll buy that beer for you!
Posted by: BigBearFX
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thats incorrect. the manufacturer recommends you stop
theres the big adavantage polaris has, you dont have to stop, and loose traction
Posted by: DirtVH
I used to think that the dif lock wasn't that important until I bought a quad that has one. I don't use it that often but when you do you can sure feel the difference. You get up against that 18inch rock ledge grab the locker and just crawl right up it. The Prairie locks and unlocks at will with a pull or a release of the lever. On the grizzlys just flick the switch on and flick it off as soon as you don't want it. In a utility quad it just is way to handy to have that extra security.
Posted by: DirtVH
You know those Bombs don't need lockers they get traction the same way a train does lots of weight. Thats how they got the idea of copying the jeep quadratrac type differential. Figured the Bomb was just as heavy as a jeep so should work. Thats why the same motor as is in a ds650 in their utility can't even out run the Honda or the Polaris, heck I don't think it can even keep within site of a Grizzly or a Prairie. Just crush the rocks don't go over them.
Posted by: DirtVH
In this debate is were I think the Prairie system really shines. I need the lock up I pull on lever and can adjust how much I want it to lock. I used this not too long ago on a muddy hill just like someone was describing needed the locker for traction coming up the steppest part of the hill just before it turns, as I get to the turn and start to ease off so the wheels can turn easier. Then as soon as it is headed straight grab the locker to finish clearing the top as it gets steeper just before topping over.
Posted by: DirtVH
I don't know for sure on the Grizzly if you have to stop or not. On the Arctic Cat 650 and the Prairie you don't have to stop you just apply pressure to the lever and ease off when you don't need it anymore.
Posted by: DirtVH
I was understood that the Arctic cat had the the same locker set up as the Prairie. The difference being the Arctic cat lever does not release automatically you have to push the lever back off. I know that on my Prairie you just apply it when you need to and release when you don't if I start slipping a wheel I grab the lever and pull over or through then release. The Prairie is normally in a limited slip mode that works really well but when the situation gets really tough it has the locker at the pull of a lever. I don't know why it would be any different on the Arctic Cat the locker is still the kawasaki design. I would have to ask a owner of an Arctic Cat but I would wonder if the dealer just didn't take the time to learn about the new quad. I have been into dealers and asked questions about their newest quad and had them have to go ask the mechanic or go find a brochure to answer me. I have had others tell me something that was completely wrong when they didn't really know and couldn't bring themselfs to admit it.
Posted by: Coyotechaser
I started to read through this thread but decided that I don't feel like reading it all. So I just wanted to post this link just in case someone hasn't seen it. It just explains how the different differentials work.
differentials People seem to post a lot of threads about differentials. Maybe it will help someone.
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
Pro's Con's, likes, dislikes, shouldnt every manufacturer offer it???
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: jaybeecon55
When I went new quad shopping two years ago a dif lock was on my list of must-haves. The old King Quad had the locker so I was used to having one. Taking in all the features that I was looking for, My choices came down to the Kawi 360, Rancher or Eiger - I chose the Eiger as it fit me best even though it did not have a front dif lock. Would I prefer it if it had a locker? Of course. I've gotten stuck in mud holes where a locker might have kept me going. I've also made it through mudholes that have swallowed locker equipt ATV's.
The next time I ATV shop, a dif lock will again be on my list of wants. Maybe I'll wind up with one, maybe not - depends on the other features of the bike.
Jaybee
Where did you go that the Locker-equipped quad was "swallowed", or better yet, HOW did your machine go through it and the other one get "swallowed"? HAD to be the rider!!!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: RhinoOffRoad
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Originally posted by: natron1
When I got high centered in snow I got off and saw all 4 wheels turning in forward and in reverse.
any 4x4 atv will spin all 4 tires when there is no resistance such a being high centered. the difference a locker makes is what happens when one wheel has resistance and one doesnt.
was the polaris 2 wheel drive or something? i dont care for the polaris front drive system but at least when it does lock in, its locked in.
Very TRUE!!!! The only 4x4 machines that I know of that will spin ALL 4 tires REGARDLESS of the situation is all the polaris machines, the Grizzly 660, Kodiac 450, Rhino, Prairies(with the diff-lock, zuki twin peak and AC650-cuz of kawi) and thats it!!! They ALL will spin or NONE will spin, that Visco lock is not guaranteed to do exactly that! I have MANY times been in situations where the diff-lock made ALL the difference as I am sure RhinoOFFroad can agree, since I ride at the Upper Tellico ORV area and he rides elsewhere in NC that requires alot of traction!! Thats what I love about my Grizzly is the fact that I have limited slip 4x4 for most places and when it gets extreme where the limited slip want handle the situation, I simply push a button and I am locked!!!!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: Doctorturbo
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They ALL will spin or NONE will spin, that Visco lock is not guaranteed to do exactly that!
Tell me a situation where the Visco lock won't do just exactly that.
Be off camber with the quad leaning to the right, with the front tire wedged on a rock and the left tire high in the air!! I have been through that exact situation MANY times while riding up at "my mountain" and have seen the Honda's and the non-locking front diff quads suffer that situation just to have to back up and sometimes there is no other way around, if you have been where I am speaking up you would see what I mean! Though I have never ridden with a Bombardier, except for the DS650, I have heard through people who own them that it does the same thing, but on flat ground the locker is better than the rest! But with the locking-diff'd quads that problem WILL NOT occur!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: Doctorturbo
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Though I have never ridden with a Bombardier, except for the DS650, I have heard through people who own them that it does the same thing
The people you are talking to are misinformed. I own a Bomb with Visco lock and countless times I have been in off camber situations with the right or left wheel a foot or two in the air..................believe me, ALL wheels spin. When that clutch pack locks up, it locks up, and all wheels pull.
Then I assume that there truly is no reason for "lockers" then!!! Why should ANY rock-crawlers or serious mudriders even consider such a system!!! I think when I go back to my mountain that I am going to go up to every single owner of jeeps, trucks and Hybrids that have lockers and just give them a good ole slap in the face!! LIMITED SLIP is the way to go!!!!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: RhinoOffRoad
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Originally posted by: TellicoGrizz660I am sure RhinoOFFroad can agree, since I ride at the Upper Tellico ORV area and he rides elsewhere in NC
With the chair and everything else, I am assuming that you went to either "Guardrail, Helicoptor Pad, or Slickrock to watch the jeeps try it right???????? I love that place!!! Thats exactly what I do, I pack me a folding chair and some drinks and a lunch and ride out to slick rock and watchem flip and stuff, there or Rock Garden on Lower 2!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: RhinoOffRoad
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Originally posted by: Specta
IMO, the viscous lock that the Bomb's use it the best all around locking differential on any ATV
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I would guess the "lever-lock" like Yamaha uses would be #2
are you actually suggesting that bomb's limited slip locker is superior to a real locker???
I was wondering the EXACT same thing!!!!
Rhino, you going back to Tellico anytime soon????? We should go ride!!! Grizzly Verus Rhino!! LOL!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: Specta<br
Rubicon Jeep? Below is a link to my daughter&39;s “real rock crawler”. I believe this is the "perfect example". You're killing me!!
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=7936d6a6b0820413fa1eb9e98d1dbbc3&threadid=225352
That is a "little" rock crawler compared to ALOT of the Rock Crawlers that I have seen!!! Please, if your gonna post links to "OTHER" websites that show's what you consider to be "REAL" rock crawlers, I have SEVERAL links that will show you what "I" consider to be "REAL" rock crawlers!!! That thing looks like a little desert dune buggy!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: natron1
Actually Doctorturbo, If every time Dirt, Rhino, and others stop to pull their lever. If they think of a condum than I have been successful.
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: Doctorturbo
RhinoOffRoad I have only seen two air locker systems. Both used clutch packs to lock up the rearend. By looking at your picture, your system uses teeth to lock up the rearend. Sometimes you need 100% lockup, sometimes you need 0% lockup, sometimes you need a number in between. Your airlocker will achieve the first two, but not the last. The Bomb system can achieve all three. Your system use air pressure and teeth to achieve lockup. Bomb uses hydraulic pressure and a clutch pack to achieve lockup. Both systems can achieve 100% lockup. With an airlocker, you have a choice when you want that to happen. With the Bomb, it happens automatically. Sometimes your airlocker is best, sometimes Visco lock is the best. There are good points and bad points to both.
I have an idea that you think a hydraulic clutch pack cannot achieve 100% lockup? If you think this, your mistaken, if not, I'm mistaken. Both pneumatic and hydraulic clutch packs can handle extreem (see I can use the bold font too!!!) amounts of torque without slipping. Whether a clutch pack or teeth they both can achieve 100% lockup.
You used the example of a Jeep with a locker flipping. Same deal with the Bomb when the clutch pack achieves 100% hydraulic lockup pressure.
Actually he is using the Example of the Jeep Rubicon! In my days at Tellico, I have seen many different types of set ups, they have it to where they can lock ONLY "1" tire up front or both front tires only with no power to rear!!! Amazing what people can do!! But I have TRULY NEVER seen a vehicle make it up there with out "TRUE" lockers!!!
Doctor Turbo, have you seen the new "locking" rear axel on the New Chevy's or GMC's (whichever one it is) where when the one tire spins the othere "locks" in? Is the bomb set-up similar to Polaris just in a limited slip form until the pack engages??? I am truly unfamiliar with the Bomb's Visco lock, but the Grizz is so similar to the New Rubicon "except" for the locking rear which the Grizz has standard! Forgive me for questioning that system, I just see it as "limited" as compared to truly locked! I would love to tackle Tellico or some other places I know of with my grizz against the 400 Outlander IRS Bombs, not motor against motor(cuz we wouldnt be going fast at ALL), but to see which could handle the terrain the best!!! I'd like to put it through one day of use as I would my Grizz, then I could give you a better picture of how things would be!!!! But I'll stick to my "lockers" simply because, I know that when its locked, its "locked" there is no slip! I give props to Yamaha, Polaris, and Kawi(who builds the AC and Zuki lockers, with the exception of the Zuki king quad) for putting the locker system on their quads, I'm sure all owners with them have used them!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
The only riding I do with my Grizz is rock crawling as well!! It has to be one of the most demanding situations for a 4x4 whether it be quad or Jeep or Hybrid!
That being said, Rhino is definately 100 % correct as well, as ALL the pro class rock crawlers use AUTOMATIC transmissions and 90% of the modified vehicles(hybrids, jeeps, etc) use AUTOMATIC transmissions!! You truly need to do some research on that aspect of rock crawling! About the only time you see manual transmissions is if they have a WEAK motor, and you say the braking would suck on automatics???? LOL!!!!!! I think you need to check the modern tranny and gear set ups as they will crawl just as slow going down as they will going up without hardly even having to apply the brakes!
Posted by: fidge1
sooner or later every manufacturer will have some sort of diff lock on there high end 4 wheel drive machines
Posted by: grizz76
The Viscoe lock on the bombs are good they act just like a locker when you need the traction of a locker but I like the locker on my grizz because you know its locked when you hit the button, The bombs are I guess like an AWD system, It sends power to the wheels that need it, Myself I dont like this. I would be afraid it wouldnt engage.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
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They ALL will spin or NONE will spin, that Visco lock is not guaranteed to do exactly that!
Tell me a situation where the Visco lock won't do just exactly that.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
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Though I have never ridden with a Bombardier, except for the DS650, I have heard through people who own them that it does the same thing
The people you are talking to are misinformed. I own a Bomb with Visco lock and countless times I have been in off camber situations with the right or left wheel a foot or two in the air..................believe me, ALL wheels spin. When that clutch pack locks up, it locks up, and all wheels pull.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
TellicoGrizz660 its just a different way of doing the same thing. And where did I say that there where no advantages to a locker? There is. The advantage of a locker over a Visco lock system is there is not time lag. It may take a quarter turn or more of the tire to pump up the clutch pack and get locked in. With a locker, there is no time lag, it's all mechanical and it is like a straight axel with a spool. That is why serious mudders choose a mechanical locker. That small time lag may make the difference between getting across that mud hole or not. That is why Polaris will out mud a Bomb.
Now, I've talked about the advantages of a true locker. Now let me talk about the advantages of a Visco lock. With my Visco lock I can go up a very steep hill that snakes back and forth with no problems. I can steer where ever I want because the Visco lock allows on wheel to slow down so I can steer. Try that with a true locker. They want to go straight. Not a good thing on a winding steep trail. That is where the Visco lock would have it over the true locker.
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I think when I go back to my mountain that I am going to go up to every single owner of jeeps, trucks and Hybrids that have lockers and just give them a good ole slap in the face!! LIMITED SLIP is the way to go!!!!
Sometimes it is. A friend of mine just took out his true locker in his jeep to put in a clutch type system. Another took out his Detroit locker and put in an air locker. Another disadvantage of a true locker is the fact that both tires are locked together. Sometimes this is not a good thing. If one tire has good traction and the other does not, and you make a turn, it will brake the one with good traction loose. Not good.
There are advantages and disadvantages to all systems. If you drive in a straight line 100% of the time, I agree with you, go with a true locker or better yet, a spool. If turn on steep winding trails then an auto system like the Visco lock is the way to go. In snow or ice, AWD is superior to a locked system because it allows wheels to slow down and not loose grip.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
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are you actually suggesting that bomb's limited slip locker is superior to a real locker???
Yep, thats what I'm saying. In certain circumstances, far superior. In certain circumstances, it's inferior. I posted those circumstances about so I won't be redundant. The ultimate thing to have would be to have each wheel recieve 99% of it's traction power independently of every other wheel. They do that with ABS; in reverse though. They do that to some extent with traction control systems in high end cars. A long time ago I saw an old beat up quadra track Jeep with 7 inch tires outclimb 4 other 4X4's with big swamper tires and some even had lockers. A friend of mine lost some money on that deal!!!
Posted by: Doctorturbo
I've already outlined when a AWD is superior to a locked axle. If you rock crawl or pull in a straight line, cool, a locker or spool is the best you can get. The thing that is bad about them is when you are locked in and turn, it shortens the radius on one side and that drags one tire and pushes the other. They loose optimum traction when this happens. I see that I won't convince you that lockers arn't superior in every condition. Thats fine, you win.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
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I guess this would be similar to some other kind of action where you have to stop and put the condom on
natron1 that has to be not one of the best analogies I have ever read on the net; it is "THE" #1 analogie, I have ever read!!!! "Hold on, I have to do this before we can continue"!!!! That one just cracked me up.
The only reason I replied to this thread was to point out that lockers were not the best choice in ALL conditions. Also, AWD (Visco) systems are not the best in ALL conditions.
Rinooffroad, if you have an air locker in your Jeep you should really like the Visco lock. They are very close systems, at least the ones I have seen. The ones I have seen had a clutch pack in them and when you give them the air, it locks the pack up with a piston. The Visco lock is the same deal, but instead of air they use fluid. The only thing with the Visco lock is you don't have the turn it on. The pump will do the work for you. Much like an adjustable air locker. I don't know this for a fact but I suspect it will go to full lock up. Limited slip has to rely on the pre-load of the clutch pack and can't go to full lock up. I have jamed one wheel in a big ditch or rut and all wheels pull. Have I ever chained a wheel down to see if it goes to full lock up? Nope, don't have to. I know that the pump will pump up the pack and lock it up enough to pull all wheels.
As long as buyers of ATV's understand that each system has there good points and bad points then I have succeeded in what I has tried to accomplish.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
RhinoOffRoad I have only seen two air locker systems. Both used clutch packs to lock up the rearend. By looking at your picture, your system uses teeth to lock up the rearend. Sometimes you need 100% lockup, sometimes you need 0% lockup, sometimes you need a number in between. Your airlocker will achieve the first two, but not the last. The Bomb system can achieve all three. Your system use air pressure and teeth to achieve lockup. Bomb uses hydraulic pressure and a clutch pack to achieve lockup. Both systems can achieve 100% lockup. With an airlocker, you have a choice when you want that to happen. With the Bomb, it happens automatically. Sometimes your airlocker is best, sometimes Visco lock is the best. There are good points and bad points to both.
I have an idea that you think a hydraulic clutch pack cannot achieve 100% lockup? If you think this, your mistaken, if not, I'm mistaken. Both pneumatic and hydraulic clutch packs can handle extreem (see I can use the bold font too!!!) amounts of torque without slipping. Whether a clutch pack or teeth they both can achieve 100% lockup.
You used the example of a Jeep with a locker flipping. Same deal with the Bomb when the clutch pack achieves 100% hydraulic lockup pressure.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
TellicoGrizz660 to answer your question. I just don't have any experiance with Polaris so I just can't say. From what I have been told Bomb has the patten on Visco lock. You won't be seeing it soon on anything except a Bomb. No, I haven't seen the new Chevy setup. Is it anything new or cool? I do know that there were some complains that the outtie system was slow to ingage as compaired to a traxter. Why that is, I just don't know. Maybe Bomb engineers wanted the outtie to have lighter steering? I just don't know; I don't even know if it is even true? I do know that my traxter is lighting quick to lock up. The only time it seems to not work quite as good as a full locker is sloppy mud. When things happen in thousands of a second the pump just can't keep up to feed the power to what tire. But the Visco lock won't piss the tires off like a locker either. A locker will sometimes drag a tire that has traction. Thats not good. As far as you taking on an outtie, I think the systems are so even that it will come down to rider ability, and not the machine.
RhinoOffRoad, your trying to get me and other people to believe that Bomb has only a limited slip in their quads. Thats just not the case. Tranny clutch packs work on the same principle. Some tranny's can handle thousands of lbs/feet of torque without slipping. Jeep can't make a hydraulic pack system, AKA Visco lock!!!!!! Why??? Because Bomb has the patten on it!!! Thats why they do it their way, with gears and valves and servos and what ever else they have on their system. They just do it a different way. They achieve the same thing. You can wedge my tire as hard as you want, when that pack gets pumped up (in the blink of an eye) that tire will turn. If it makes you feel better, say it won't all you want.
Posted by: Doctorturbo
Nate, Nate Nate, at least TellicoGrizz660 is honest enough to say that he has never ridden a Visco lock Bomb. Have you? If not, how can you comment on how the system works? All you talk about is Jeeps and rockcrawling. They don't have a Visco lock system. I have used both systems; can you say that?. I have a locker in my 9" and I have a Visco lock in my quad. I have gotten my tire jammed in BIG ruts several times. Two wheels in the air, two wheels in a rut, clutch pack locks up the tire on the ground and away I go. Let me say this one more time for ya, it does pull all 4 tires, even when one or two are jammed. If you don't believe, well; the only reason I can think of is ALL your experiance with owning a Bombardier Visco lock system Like I said, I know what I'm talking about because I own a Visco lock and locker system. Can you say that?
Posted by: natron1
I bought my first ATV about 6 weeks ago. It's a bombardier traxter. The front end has some kind of fluid pump call visco lock. When I got high centered in snow I got off and saw all 4 wheels turning in forward and in reverse. The Hondas (a 99 foreman and a 00 rancher) I travel with now ask me to blaze the trail in snow. Not that they can't make it. We all have noticed that I just tend to spin less. Also one time going up a snow coverd hill that had a sharp turn to be made at the top. A polaris had to back up where I made the turn. Many riders will complain about when they are locked in. The front end is almost impossible to steer. It seemed as if my bombardier was locked in detected the turn and locked out. Maybe others should talk of not just how fast or well theirs lockup but how fast does it unlock when needed? These are the only 2 situations I can atest to. But its another front end drive for you can think of.
Posted by: natron1
To Rhino off road, it was a brand new 700 sportsman. He said it was the same with his 00 500 sportsman with front axil locked in snow. He had difficulty turnning.
Posted by: natron1
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Originally posted by: Camo-man
Is it true that the Polaris front wheels will not spin unless the rear tires break loose??
Just asking, A polaris guy told me this and it did not sound right, just looking for the correct answer..
I just heard from the neighbor with the new 700 sportsman. He claims that when he is going down a steep hill in low range, that the stopping action of the engin compression is on the rear axil only. The front axil just sort of-----well does nothing. Well I guess you can use the hand brake!!!! Would this be true?
Posted by: natron1
What gets lost in the translation though is the fact I beleive ( correct me if I'm wrong ) is that most if not all full lockers have to stop, hit the full lock or lock diff button, then continue. I guess this would be similar to some other kind of action where you have to stop and put the condom on---BORING,BORING. Guys like me or Torbo Doctor with Visco lock are PRIMED, ready for action, and don't quit till job is done!
Posted by: natron1
I looked at that lime green artic cat with the bush guards and all. The dealer told me you had to stop hit the button for the front axil to fully lock. He said you could hit the button on the move but the axil would not fully lock till you stopped for a moment.
Posted by: natron1
To Dirt vh OK, on page 15 of the 2004 brochure it shows a lever. I think its a electrical type of thing and you have to stop. Where as what you seem to be describing on the prairie is some sort of a mecanical thing like maybe a hand brake arraigment. I don't know never been around a praire. And since I bought a bomb I'm not gonna go back and ask the Cat dealer whats up So we have to look for a 2004 cat owner to comment. I'll go over and put a post on the cat fourm.
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Originally posted by: natron1
What gets lost in the translation though is the fact I beleive ( correct me if I'm wrong ) is that most if not all full lockers have to stop, hit the full lock or lock diff button, then continue. I guess this would be similar to some other kind of action where you have to stop and put the condom on---BORING,BORING. Guys like me or Doctorturbo with Visco lock are PRIMED, ready for action, and don't quit till job is done!
Hey Vh dirt I got a bite over at the Artic Cat fourm. AC560 says you have to stop to engage front diff. This being different than the prairie which you know about and I admitt I do not. What others does the action have to stop and then engage.
Posted by: natron1
Actually Doctorturbo, If every time Dirt, Rhino, and others stop to pull their lever. If they think of a condum than I have been successful.
Posted by: natron1
I got to go riding yesterday with a sportsman 700 fuel injection, polaris 2 wheeler, and a grizzly and me with my bomb trax. I was first to get stuck in an upward going rut. I was showing of and fell in the rut criss- cross LF-RR tires in. The griz driver came back and seeing both my front tires spinning didn't pull on my ATV but pushed down on the front right corner and had to jump out of the way cause the tire grabed some traction and poped out. So as we continued in and out of some fair mud bogs and creeks and occational hill. The griz driver kept saying to me "AND THAT WAS IN TWO WHEEL DRIVE". Then it happened. First the 2 wheel polaris got stuck in a creek with his front wheel under the root of a tree. Couldn't get him out forward. I crossed back over the creek to pull him back out. The polaris bringing up the rear was still over there. Then the griz started to come back over, got to the other side of the creek and the rear wheels started to dig in. He stopped and put it in 4 wheel drive and proceded to bury the rear wheels and dig nice holes with the front tires. Stopped again thinking he better lock up the front end---which buried the front end. To which I had to say "and that was in 2 wheel drive"!
So I hooked to the 2 wheeler got him out. The polaris to the griz and nothing. Both of us to the griz and he's out. I would like to think that my bomb could have done it by my self--but who knows. Least I didn't have to hear the rest of the day "and that was in 2 wheel drive".
The reason for this story is when YOU start to think you should be locking up. The bomb already is locked. It is that fast. It is much smarter than most knot-heads in the seat. It locked me up on the way over the creek. I would rather be locked when I don't need to be than unlocked and mentally kicking my self for not locking, when the moementem is going bye-bye in that mud bog. I got a chance to whatch the 700 in a long mud hole. I could see the front wheels turn then stop, turn then stop. I guess as the rear axil got traction than lost it and got it again. It did not get stuck. But why my co-traxter Doctorturbo thinks this is a better mudder than us. I don't see it . But I won't argue it. What I did learn yesterday is all quads go, stop,and get stuck. Some more stuck than others.
Now to you rock crawlers Tellico and "I am the LAW" Rhino. Do you actually think that you could strap a wheel down and flip a vehicle? I hope this is just a point your trying to make. Cause anything thats stock. Your drive belt will do the dance of the seven shreads. Let alone a jeep. I hate to imagine it. By the way in the picture of your locker where is the air hose you talk about?
Getting back to rockcrawling. I'll leave the arguement of the front differential for awhile. If you really see yourselves as crawlers; why would you have ATVs with CVTs? Why not gears? Remember them. In a jeep they are worth every extra dollar. And what does the Bombardier Traxter have you ask, like you really need to, GEARS. First the Traxter has 15 gears-5 high,5 low,and 5 reverse. Doctorturbo has autoshift which he has the choice to use or to shift manualy, I don't. But when I'm in first gear low range no matter what happens my maximum speed is about 3 1/2 to 4 mph. Your grizzly in low range with a CVT, if you should nail the throttle by mistake your speed is about 20 mph. Losing what little traction you had on a rock. Gears is rockcrawling, I know, I was doing it in a Jeep 25 years ago whith just a Detroit locker and the sweat of my browl. Only losers and knot- heads would 4 wheel with an automatic. Especially when going down a steep hill and their brakes would over heat and fade. Of the ones that lived to tell about it. Well they slobber their food and, and, well you get the idea. Its probably a little nicer now that there are the auto down hill brake systems. But when I'm in a pack. I see all them with their brake lights on going down hill. You know the price of replacment brakes. I just burn an extra drop or two of gas in 1st gear or 2nd gear, low range. And I have no problem when I leave off the gas switching from low to high range.
Getting back to the front axil. Who cares if it flips the atv or not. I know my front axil, always has enough torque to turn that 4th wheel. Engagment is so lightning quick. If I get somewhere for some rocks I'll post to the fourm. Just as I told you about getting stuck at the beginning of this post, I'll tell you if my bomb sucks.
God forbid! If you really maesure your self by your rockcrawling. Get gears. Whether its a bomb or not. Do it right and don't slobber your food.
Posted by: natron1
well I thought this fourm was about the recreational atver. You may have heard of him he actually has to save up or god forbid buy a quad on credit. He or she has to run it around stock while they make payments. Silly me. Just as any race car would be impractical for the street. Mr. I am the law tells us that everything that a race buggy does to win a race is just as practical for the weekend enthusiast. Forget about the money do it cause your nothing with out the mods. If you have to mix apples and oranges (Pro versius amature). Heck Why go on???????????
