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Posted by: sxr6
Technically Carver is right, however come-on carver a diff doesn't have to lock positive to work, Yam's 660 & Kaws 650 front diff work more than aceptable it's onlly some Hondas, Yams, Cats, Suzs that don't work. In answer to original ?, yes all Manufacturers LIE, that's how they get you to buy their product, actually the slaesmen are the worst because most have never even been on a 4wheeler. Here's another baffler for you, if certain brands claim limited slip or posative front diff or whatever, howcome they don't require limited slip front dif oil like the old muscle cars instead of STANDARD gear oil????
Posted by: sxr6
I can't agree with that 2wd or 4wd lock statment Rincon, For MY atv useage, I find I use 4wd unlocked about 85% of the time, then 10% 2wd & finally 5% LOCKED. I know it doesn't sound like you need lock much, BUT when you do need it, YOU NEED IT. I believe I could live without a lock but only if the bike had enough independent wheel travel to keep 4 wheels on the ground & that eliminates all solid axle bikes, there usage as far as I'm concerned limits them to sport type play bikes. Another interesting development is the solid axle bikes with lockers, they would be a good middle road type all purpose bike but again with a solid rear axle when one tire is in the air it's now a true 3wd & not a 2wd as the non locked bike spins it's air tire uselessly.
Posted by: sxr6
I started out with a 2wd I know a lot of people would be surprised where they will go, but up here on rough trails it's so much easier driving in "3wd".
Posted by: GreatCanadian
I don't like the way dravy is trying to get his point across...kinda ignorant...but i agree with him....in his initial post he's not really trying to comment on HOW the honda diff works....only that it doesn't work as Honda advertised....and he's right...honda lied.....that's all he was saying...and that's true....i have owned older hondas and now own a 2002 with the new diff....and i honestly do believe that it works better than the old diff....i've seen it take me places where my friends with the old diff get stuck...and i get through pretty easy....AS LONG AS 4 WHEELS ARE ON THE GROUND....otherwise it works pretty well comparable to the old diff....honda advertised that the power will go to the wheel with traction.....but when one tire is in the air, that tire will spin....yeah, i know the brake trick, but according to honda, i shouldn't have to know it!!....so dravy is right...honda lied.
Posted by: GreatCanadian
No prob dravy...happens alot here....someone tries to make a point and if someone doesn't like it, the s&%t hits the fan...people don't like the fact that you were right on this one.
Posted by: Haymaker
My kodiak 450 locks up just fine when in diff lock mode, as for polaris it slips a little in the rear before it engages, alittle awkward on steep hillclimbs and slippery rocks.
Posted by: rammy
if you dont like hondas diff, buy a kawi or yamaha then, they work awesome.
Posted by: Specta
I have seen it work three times, twice on our Rancher and once on our Rubicon. Each time got stuck, one front wheel in the air and spinning. Stopped, and started again and away I went.
Have been very happy with the front differentials in these two ATVs. I don't believe they are "limited slips" without getting into a big discussion on them. They are "gear" engauged. Get a Honda service manual and look at a exploded view and you can see how they work. I believe getting the power to the wheel that spins is done by either stopping or applying the brakes.
Good luck on the law suit.
Posted by: Specta
So whats your point?????
Posted by: RINCON
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only the red white & blue polaris offer true 4x4
......................or the p650 or Grizz. and lets not forget the red and white BOMBARDIER. OH CANADA.....................
Posted by: RINCON
The grizz and p650 lock up into a true 4WD. The Bomb has a true 47WD too, don't care how they accomplish it, just as long as there's 4 wheels spinning in da mud!
Posted by: RINCON
They call it Sur-Track don't they?
It is suppose to send power to the wheel with traction, and the ones i've seen do.........................
Posted by: RINCON
You're loosing me, are you being sarcastic??
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YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH
What??? Don't use pronouns-it makes it confusing!
also capslock is hard to read!
Posted by: RINCON
Oh, well sometimes they do (if it's obvious, but if not use names, just makes it easier on all of usBR>
I still think that the rancher diff is better than a limited slip one. but a locker (like yamaha, p650) is the best way to go.
Posted by: RINCON
I agree some salesmen don't know sh:t!!!
I think that if the bike has a 2/4WD switch that when you put it in 4WD it should be fully locked. If you complain about how hard it is to steer, than you should have it in 2WD.
But at least it's not like some of those SUV's that one back wheel spins, and the opposite front wheel spins! Just be thankfull for what you got!!
Posted by: RINCON
The only time i'd be in 4WD would be in the mud, so why not lock it???? If it's hard to steer, you must not need 4WD, so put it in 2WD. Go try to do everything in 2WD that you do in 4WD (no locked) and you will be VERY surprised at where it will go!
Posted by: HELLFISH
If it's a locker(450/660,kaw360/650,suz/king quad)it's a locker if it's not it's not,no maybe's,limited slip,visco-lock are not true lockers 1 tire slips 1-2 turns before locking the other in.
Posted by: HELLFISH
yes i read your post,a lawsuit attributed to that would be frivilious at best,and you said works "like",not "is" a locker "like" meaning similar not the same...there is no "tip-toeing"
around a front or rear locker,they HAVE them or they do NOT,no matter how you word,or discribe it so called auto-lockers(limited slip,visco-lock,awd) are not the real thing,you have a switch or lever to engage it "if" you got 1.
Posted by: action450s
I drove a Kawi 650 out of a drainage ditch for a buddy awhile ago and their diff lock is the gear. I had 1 front wheel jammed in the middle of the ditch and 1 wheel in the air. In 4wd the wheel in the air spun uselessly. I then pulled in on the diff lock lever and the wheel jammed in the ditch turned and pulled machine out of the hole!!! Now I love that setup.
The limited slip differential in my forman 450 worked really well when new, especially if I tapped the front brakes while spinning. This action would get the wheel with traction to turn. Now 5 years and 27" tires later, the differential is worn out and is being replaced with a detroit locker from highlifter. With my 424 selector, I expect that this combo will work well together.
Too bad noone makes an aftermarket locker like the Kawi one. It seems simple in design, and functions well.
IMO - simple is better when your stuck in the woods, simple is usually easier to fix. That's why I have a Honda with its outdated/simple design ideas as opposed to the newer electronic gizmos on other bikes like torque sensing 4wd and such. They all get old some day. which is going to be easier to fix.
Posted by: action450s
I dunno where your getting your information, but honda still uses a limited slip differential, and will not send 100% of the power to the wheel with traction!!! Whoever sold you your quad sure seen you comming. All lockers will lock the wheels together so the wheel in the air will spin, but the wheel with traction spins at the same rate.
Posted by: swampdonkeykiller
I just bought an '03 foreman 450ES and put 26" Mudbugs on it. When riding in the snow because thats all we have around here, And in 4wd, it hops in the front end when it is chewing through the 2' of snow and spinning. It seems like the diff. on the front is constantly shifting power from one side to the other so fast that it causes a hop. At least thats what I think. Anyone else experience this?? Would a gearless diff lock take care of this problem?
Posted by: reconranger
So dravy, explain what your problem is!! I like the dif on the Rancher. Sure it isn't locked, but it isn't open either. They picked a happy medium where it works well enough, but the steering doesn't fight you to much. I have had a wheel in the air lots of times, and watched it just loaf. Works fine in my opinion!! If you are a mudder and need lockers, well then put them on.
Posted by: carver
im really not trying to stir the pot, but the only foolproof differential is anything based on the detroit locker or a spool. other than that, only the red white & blue polaris offer true 4x4.( they use basicly a spool in the front.) anything else just wont work over time.
Posted by: carver
rincon, polaris uses a spool in front. how the front diff. works on the griz or prarie i dont know. but they will not completely lock. seen it with my own eyes.
Posted by: carver
get the facts straight, only a locker or spool will get true equal traction no matter what! damn! its really not that hard to comprehend is it?
Posted by: carver
if your diff. is anything less than a locker or spool, there are parts that will wear. this means that over time, you will have less & less traction.
Posted by: carver
oh yea, anything less than a locker or spool is not true 4x4!!!!!!!!! don't care what it's called or who manufactures it! one tire will eventually slip! sooner not later!
Posted by: dravy
IS THEIR ANYBODY THAT HAS ONE THAT WORKS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSE TO!!!
THEY NEED TO BE "SUED"
Posted by: dravy
POINT BEING, HONDA SAYS THEY DO!
POWER IS SUPPOSE TO GO TO THE WHEEL WITH MOST TRACTION
THEY LIED!!!!!
Posted by: dravy
You All Are Missing The Point,Honda States This New Diff Is Not To Let One Wheel Spin In The Air Needlessly.The One On The Ground Is Suppose To Get All Torque,But It Don't.New Hondas 2001 And Up.
Posted by: dravy
Diffs Use Tourqe Bias 30 % 50, 100 %
Polaris & Bombardier Are The Only Ones That Are 100%
Meaning Both Front Wheels Get 100% Power From The Engine To Wheels.
Griz & 650 Use About 80% .....
Posted by: dravy
JUST BECAUSE IT LOCKS DOESN'T MEAN IT RECEIVES 100 %
POWER FROM MOTOR TO THE WHEELS. VERY COMPLICATED !! READ ORIGINAL POST WASN'T TALKING ABOUT LOCKERS,
Posted by: dravy
READ THE POST AGAIN,I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOND'S NEW DIFF, THEY CLAIM IT WORKS LIKE A SPEED SENSING DIFF,BUT INFACT THEY CALL IT TORQUE SENSING !
GET THE PICTURE
Posted by: dravy
TORQUE SENSING IS WHAT MAKES THE WHEEL IN THE AIR SPIN USELESSLY, SENDS POWER TO WHEEL WITH LEAST AMOUNT OF TRACTION ,SPEED SENSING WORKS JUST THE OPPOSITE.
Posted by: dravy
IT'S A NEW BRITISH-LEYLAND TYPE,DON'T YOU EVER READ MAGAZINES LIKE ATV ACTION OR DIRT WHEELS DA!
YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH,I DON'T OWN ONE,I'M NOT RETARDED ! JACK YOUR 4-WHEELER UP AND PUT IT ON JACK STANDS AND RUN IT ,WATCH THE BACK WHEELS TURN FASTER THAN THE FRONT "DA" TORQUE BIAS. GET THE PICTURE !!!!
Posted by: dravy
THANKS RICON AT LEAST ONE PERSON KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT..............
Posted by: dravy
THE ONES I'VE SEEN DON'T,WONDER WHY !
Posted by: dravy
No, That Post
Posted by: dravy
No,That Was A Reply To 450s Sarcastic Remarks.
Sorry,That Wasn't Intended Towards You Rincon
Posted by: dravy
I Thought When You Hit Reply That Person Knew You Was Talking To Him, I'm New To This, But I'm Learning.
Posted by: dravy
Carver,Who Are You Talking To !
And Get What facts Straight ?
Posted by: dravy
Fatty Red, Or Who Ever. Isn't This ATV Forums ,Butt Out! Wasn't No Body Talking To You Directly Anyway.
MY NAME IS DRAVY "BOY"
Posted by: dravy
Amen, Rincon I've Said That For Years,Either It Is Or It Ain't.
At Least 4- Wheelers Don't Have Open Diffs Like You're Talking About.
Posted by: dravy
Thanks, Great Canadian: I Was Just Making A Simple Statement And Then Every Body Started Talking About Lockers etc. I Know What A Locker Is And How They Work "DA" But They Was Missing The Simple Point !
I Ain't Got Nuffing Against HONDA , My Knowledge Of 4-Wheelers Was Offended And That Pissed Me Off !
Posted by: dravy
Their several types of limited slip diffs, wet clutch types which is the cheapest to make like used on most yamahas & kawasakis. You're right they are all metal parts. Look in your service manual or owners manual and find somewhere where you have to stop or hit the brakes to get the diff to work. GO FIGURE !!!!!!
Posted by: dravy
They are all called limited slip,speed or torque sensative.
Posted by: dravy
Whats the use !
Posted by: BigRed1
I just brought a 2003 Honda 350 4x4 rancher es, and love the hell out of it. I have been in alot of mud, and very deep. I been stuck two times so far, but it was my fault. other then that I have no problem with mine. If and when I get another one I will buy Honda.
Posted by: BigRed1
cravey or who every if you don't like honda, or what ever then get a bike you like damit
Posted by: toytech
what is the year and model of your quad
