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Posted by: duster
Originally posted by: LotusPosition
Local dealer is advertising 06 500 Outlaws for $3999
Wow!!!..... is the IRS that bad?... or just percieved as that bad and not selling as a result?
Posted by: duster
It's funny... it doesn't seem like it would be a big deal really.
I mean it would seem the automotive world already took the lumps and made the progress milestones.
So it would seem they could get it done as far as an IRS sport quad is concerned.
To me (with no knowlege/experience w/IRS) I would have to guess they still have a body-roll/chassis-roll issue that unnerves sport riders?
Posted by: duster
Honda might just get it right.... as they are generally good on suspension and handling.
Posted by: LotusPosition
Local dealer is advertising 06 500 Outlaws for $3999
Posted by: reconranger
It's funny that manufacturer's put IRS on a machine, then have to add a sway bar to counter the body roll and get it half way back to handling like an SRA.
I have not ridden the Polaris sport quads, but I have ridden my friend's big utes with IRS and they are all nothing but huge mush boxes!
Posted by: reconranger
New Honda TRX700XX with IRS: http://www.hondanews.com/categories/3/releases/4169
Posted by: reconranger
The thing weighs 500 pounds! That's an absolute pig compared to a 450 class machine.
IRS sport quads have only a limited appeal. They are for someone who needs very high ground clearance yet doesn't really need 4wd, and doesn't want to be saddled with an even bigger, even heavier, lower performance utility.
Honda is late to the party on this one! They may sadly find that the market isn't what they imagined it would be 5 years ago when they began working on this machine.......
Honda debuts its performance quads at the Baja 1000. Got to wonder if this one will show up???? On the other hand,slap that engine in a SRA frame, and we should have the ultimate desert racer!!!
Posted by: ss97
I just noticed the two new KTM powered Polaris Outlaws are both SRA......
The 525-S and the 450 are both solid axle machines....
I guess the IRS is not catching on with the sport riders the way Polaris thought it would. My local Polaris dealer still has 5 of the Outlaw 500 old machines they can't get rid of, and they said they have only sold two of the 525 IRS.
Posted by: ss97
It seems like the Outlaw is a typical Polaris.... the guys who love them, totally LOVE them and won't ride anything again.....
The people who don't like them, are not going to switch over.......
I rode an Outlaw 500 and did not like it at all. I hate IRS for aggressive riding, my riding style does not get along with it AT ALL....
At first I figured IRS would catch on for the comfort factor, and that a lot of average riders like myself would like it. As usual I figured I'd be in the minority. But apparently not, it seems that most people I talk to that have ridden them all say the same things that I didn't like either......
I think it's probably like anything else.... if you jump on an Outlaw at 16 and start the learning curve, by the time you are 20 you'll be as uncomfortable on a SRA machine as I am on an IRS machine....
But the fact that Polaris is now offering the Outlaw with a solid axle, makes me think that they themselves realize that the IRS is not perfected to work in a sport machine chassis...... at least not in the way they dreamed it up...
Posted by: ss97
Originally posted by: duster
It's funny... it doesn't seem like it would be a big deal really.
I mean it would seem the automotive world already took the lumps and made the progress milestones.
So it would seem they could get it done as far as an IRS sport quad is concerned.
To me (with no knowlege/experience w/IRS) I would have to guess they still have a body-roll/chassis-roll issue that unnerves sport riders?
I think the difference with cars and IRS, compared with ATVs and IRS, is HUGE....
In a car, your body is not the controlling factor. Your position and weight shifting are not directly related to how a car reacts to uneven terrain....
On an ATV, your body position and the feedback from the chassis is the controlling factor. The ATV is more an extension of your body than a car will ever be, and so the suspension is vital....
For me personally, the IRS provides a strange "floaty" feeling when pushed hard. The feedback to make corrections comes too late at high speeds for me. I always seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time on the machine. Maybe I'm too slow in my body movements or something I don't know.... I missed the predictable stability of a solid rear axle. I simply could not get used to the machine moving on all 4-axis as opposed to just 3.....
Posted by: ss97
True.... if anyone can perfect it Honda can......
I'm still skeptical that even perfected though, that IRS still won't suit my riding style. I would need the rear set up so stiff that it would probably not be any fun to ride.
Posted by: ss97
Originally posted by: reconranger
The thing weighs 500 pounds! That's an absolute pig compared to a 450 class machine.
IRS sport quads have only a limited appeal. They are for someone who needs very high ground clearance yet doesn't really need 4wd, and doesn't want to be saddled with an even bigger, even heavier, lower performance utility.
Honda is late to the party on this one! They may sadly find that the market isn't what they imagined it would be 5 years ago when they began working on this machine.......
Honda debuts its performance quads at the Baja 1000. Got to wonder if this one will show up???? On the other hand,slap that engine in a SRA frame, and we should have the ultimate desert racer!!!
Yea I'd love to see the TRX700 with SRA and some nice rezzie suspension all around.... right now the Raptor 700 owns that market and it needs some competition.....
Posted by: ss97
Originally posted by: nekkidbik
Polaris isn't going away from IRS. They just renamed the Predator and now call it an Outlaw.
Actually they are totally redesigned machines..... they killed the Predator totally....
The two new machines are both built on the same platform but the 450 has better suspension.
Posted by: ss97
Originally posted by: Evasiveone
Like the others stated. The Outlaw 525 IRS is still being made and selling very well. Both my local dealers are sold out of the Outlaw 525. The Outlaw 525 handles so much better than the Outlaw 500. With the 525 weighing 40 lbs less than the 500 and having more power it is a dream to ride. Doug Eichner went from riding SRA quads all his life to the Outlaw 525 IRS and is winning races on it in the WORCS.
Well that is seemingly in contrast to what my local dealers are selling... and to most people I talk to are saying that the IRS is having problems selling....
Maybe it is a regional thing? Maybe some areas are selling lots of IRS Outlaws..
Posted by: ss97
Originally posted by: outlawrider
I own the 525 outlaw IRS and handles nothing like the big old utes like you think they do I simply love it.
No I didn't think the Outlaw 500 I rode was like a big Ute, but it was odd for me.... Like I said it must be a personal preference thing....
I like the stability and predictability of a swing arm....
Posted by: ScramblerX440
Yeah, our dealer here has a 500 still, but they are still trying to get $4999 out of it. They have an 07 left, but don't have any 08's yet. I think I might try for that '07 when the '08 comes in if its still there.
Posted by: ScramblerX440
Its supposed to be 508 lbs with all fluids, ready to ride though, or so their website says. I'll keep my mind open on this thing til I see one.
Posted by: Evasiveone
Like the others stated. The Outlaw 525 IRS is still being made and selling very well. Both my local dealers are sold out of the Outlaw 525. The Outlaw 525 handles so much better than the Outlaw 500. With the 525 weighing 40 lbs less than the 500 and having more power it is a dream to ride. Doug Eichner went from riding SRA quads all his life to the Outlaw 525 IRS and is winning races on it in the WORCS.
Posted by: Evasiveone
Double post!
Stupid Satellite connection
Posted by: TLC
Originally posted by: reconranger
It's funny that manufacturer's put IRS on a machine, then have to add a sway bar to counter the body roll and get it half way back to handling like an SRA.
I have not ridden the Polaris sport quads, but I have ridden my friend's big utes with IRS and they are all nothing but huge mush boxes!
there suppose to be Mush boxes,on a Utility ATV who wants to ride over fallen logs or
rocks and actually have to feel them. Plus Ground clearance is a advantage on trails but not on Race tracks.
Irs less favorable on for serious racing,more weight and body roll and comfort is not a big deal. I,m sure there are people who would buy the 525 just for trail riding and would still want IRS on a Outlaw.
There are more 660,700 Raptors being sold & ridden for recreational reasons on trails by average people,then being sold for hard core racing I bet.
Posted by: outlawrider
I own the 525 outlaw IRS and handles nothing like the big old utes like you think they do I simply love it.
Posted by: outlawrider
Oh yeah and it ain't no friggin 500 and something pounds like those big utes are either.
Posted by: nekkidbik
Polaris isn't going away from IRS. They just renamed the Predator and now call it an Outlaw.
Posted by: 600pred
the 500 outlaw is a softer sprung unit than the 525 irs. the 525 is made for a more aggresive riding style. the new outlaws are a 450s a 525s and a 525 irs. both the straight axle outlaws are supposed to be identical except the 450 is a mx bike with 18" rears and the 525 is setup with 20" rear tires.
