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Posted by: JoshCVBz
Z400 is my choice for a wheelie quad....
For wheelie tips check out this write up I did....
HOW TO WHEELIE
Posted by: JoshCVBz
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Originally posted by: atvrocks
Hahaha get an automatic two stroke to do wheelie . Are you sure about that ?!? I'd like to see you wheelie forever
Actually I had a 400 2-stroke Polaris and could wheelie it for as long as I wanted.....
I'm not saying that they are the ideal quad to use, however they aren't too bad either.
-Josh
Posted by: JoshCVBz
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Originally posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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well, 500 pounds it pretty freakin heavy if you ask me. I guess not for a sport utility though. My Z is right around 400 pounds and pulls up easily but its nothing shocking. I cant believe polaris put a 500 2 stroke motor in a sport ute though. That a powerful motor if you ask me. Just seems like a weird idea. I bet its fun though. And its 2 stroke, right? Whats the top speed?
No the 500 is 4-stroke.
And the 2x4's and 4x4's both pull up fairly easy once you get the timing down for when the tranny engages.
Here's a reverse wheelie on a 500 (my friend) and my woman on the seat.... Click here
And here is one on a sportsman with her on the front....
Click here
Posted by: Bradracer18
I've done wheelies on the 400 before........very easy to do........but my best quad would have to be the 400ex.......and the worst being the 03 pred that I have...... I find it hard to wheelie......but that isn't a bad thing for me either.......
Posted by: plainbroke
Pin the throttle on my 500 scrambler and you will be looking at the sky any where between 0 and 20 mph that is all you can do.
Very tough to KEEP the front end down on a 2x4 Scrambler 500.
Posted by: plainbroke
Yes, my buddy has a 2002 4x4 scrambler and it will NOT pull the front end, no matter how hard you try.. Sssooooo
We wieghed his front and back and my 2x4 scrambler front and back and found that the 4x4 is 30 lbs heavier due the 4 wheel drive system.. so thirty pounds of wieght in the front right between the front wheels should cure the problem of too easy to wheelie, not so we forgot to factor in the 4x4s extra drag on the motor from extra rotating mass it just made wheelies scarier because now it is REALLY in the power band when it lifts the front end and there for it comes up really quick.. I was looking for smoother lift. The hill climbing is much safer now though... At least I can make it up with out dumping over backwards 2 times of that and I was ready to quit riding, a 500lb quad on top of you sucks big time....
A longer swingarm would solve my problem and make it a lot more fun on the trails and I could take the wieght out so the steering is lighter again... Just found out that rear spacers really increase the steering effort especially at full throttle.. The more stable I make it the harder turning it becomes.. You know anybody that does a arm lengthing CHEAP but safe. Let me know cause I need a longer swingarm bad.. +2 should do the trick maybe 3 though..
Posted by: plainbroke
I do not understand why people think that a 500 would be so hard to pull the front end ? My 91 350L will pull the front end with a little coaxing, and that thing IS HEAVY it is a 2 stroke and has a LOT of snap. (fresh rebuild this winter) I rode a lot of quads before I bought my scrambler, I have to admit the auto tranny was my deciding factor the shifting all the time when riding trails was not for me, now I hear that the raptor 700 can stay in 3rd most of the time and is a ball to ride in the woods.. I will be test riding one of those soon...
You should ride one if you get the chance they have surprisingly stout motors in them..
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
On my Raptor in first and second i hit the gas and the front end rips off the ground. In the high gears you need to pull back on the handle bars to lift the front wheels off the ground.
Posted by: poopy
i think that the z 400 and 400ex are the best for wheelies. i rode a trx450r and things r pretty sweet too
Posted by: spyder6
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Originally posted by: atvrocks
I tou.ght your pred was stock But By here the 2 stroke 250 eat modded yfz, banshee and all other atv that's not fully modded ...
his pred is stock...
Posted by: spyder6
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Originally posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: atvrocks
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Originally posted by: xplorer4002stroke
First get an automatic 2 stroke atv and than just put it in gear and punch the gas and stand it right up. I have a polaris xplorer 400 and I can wheelie almost forever on flat conditions.
Hahaha get an automatic two stroke to do wheelie . Are you sure about that ?!? I'd like to see you wheelie forever
they make 400cc 2 strokes??? I thought it was only the trail blazer 250?
theres a few
Xplorer 400 4x4
Scrambler 400 2x4
scrambler 400's are CRAZY fast, you can get 75 horsepower out of those motors while running premium!
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
to answer your question i think the kfx700 (or maybe raptor, kfx is better for this) is the easiest to PULL up and do a wheelie but the 400ex or Z400 are the best for doing wheelies and stunts etc.
Webopper- you can steer on quads when you do a wheelie. you just have to run really low psi in your rear tires. that way when you lean your tires compress more and the circumfrance is smaller so one wheel travels further thant the other per rotation. its not much but its enough to keep you on the road and not in a bank or into a tree. bikes will always be able to turn better in wheelies tho.
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
by the way you posted this question 2 times.
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: ihop
just sit back and nail the trottle thats what i do 265lbs and proud of it i do alot off work so im in shape i work a really lot then i quad so i not one of thes 265 kids who sit around all day and eat and take the quad out once in a while i used to do that but not anymore i work all day long the i lift wit my football team idc make fun of me but im happy wit my weight
lol...
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: Torbinx
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Originally posted by: JoshCVBz
Z400 is my choice for a wheelie quad....
For wheelie tips check out this write up I did....
HOW TO WHEELIE
nice article and pics. Did you go all the way over on that pic with you sitting switchback on the handlebars? btw Ive tried many times to get the front end of my z up with it in 3rd gear but will spin out from the stock tires on gravel road. I think I should be able to do it on pavement. As for 4th Ive tried reving it to the max and dumping the clutch but that only spins the tires on dry dirt roads or jerks me forward alittle. Im most likely piping it so I should then just be able to crank it and pull back eh?
I can wheelie my Z in 3rd pretty easily. I do have a K&N air filter, CDI, and pipe though. You dont reallllllly have to be on a high traction surface for 3rd gear since the power comes on a lot more gradually. I like to do it in open fields though. Just be moving right along near the bottom of 3rd gear, lean foreward a lot and compress your front suspension as much as possible, and as you pull up as hard as you can (or as much as needed) pin the throttle. The front end should come up slow and steady. Make sure you time nailing the throttle and pulling up just right. You can keep those wheelies going for a pretty long ways. It feels awesome to be going fast in third standing up and bent over foreward a little and still be pulling up more ever so slightly. I feel safer going back further in 3rd for some reason. I think its because its a lot smoother and if you feel like your going over you can pretty easily just let off the gas and lean foreward and it will come down. 4th gear is a different story. I think the only way to do one in 4th is to weight more than I do... or shift up from 3rd. I use the clutch when doing a cat-walk. just grab it with 2 fingers. Takes a little practice. I can go from 1st to the end of third sitting on a shifting wheelie, or cat-walk is what I've heard them be called.
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: atvrocks
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Originally posted by: xplorer4002stroke
First get an automatic 2 stroke atv and than just put it in gear and punch the gas and stand it right up. I have a polaris xplorer 400 and I can wheelie almost forever on flat conditions.
Hahaha get an automatic two stroke to do wheelie . Are you sure about that ?!? I'd like to see you wheelie forever
they make 400cc 2 strokes??? I thought it was only the trail blazer 250?
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: plainbroke
Pin the throttle on my 500 scrambler and you will be looking at the sky any where between 0 and 20 mph that is all you can do.
Very tough to KEEP the front end down on a 2x4 Scrambler 500.
so you bolted 30lbs of steel to the nose???
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: plainbroke
Yes, my buddy has a 2002 4x4 scrambler and it will NOT pull the front end, no matter how hard you try.. Sssooooo
We wieghed his front and back and my 2x4 scrambler front and back and found that the 4x4 is 30 lbs heavier due the 4 wheel drive system.. so thirty pounds of wieght in the front right between the front wheels should cure the problem of too easy to wheelie, not so we forgot to factor in the 4x4s extra drag on the motor from extra rotating mass it just made wheelies scarier because now it is REALLY in the power band when it lifts the front end and there for it comes up really quick.. I was looking for smoother lift. The hill climbing is much safer now though... At least I can make it up with out dumping over backwards 2 times of that and I was ready to quit riding, a 500lb quad on top of you sucks big time....
A longer swingarm would solve my problem and make it a lot more fun on the trails and I could take the wieght out so the steering is lighter again... Just found out that rear spacers really increase the steering effort especially at full throttle.. The more stable I make it the harder turning it becomes.. You know anybody that does a arm lengthing CHEAP but safe. Let me know cause I need a longer swingarm bad.. +2 should do the trick maybe 3 though..
its hard to believe its that easy to pull up... its the front wheel spacers that really screw up your steering. You might notice a difference with rear ones tho.
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: plainbroke
I do not understand why people think that a 500 would be so hard to pull the front end ? My 91 350L will pull the front end with a little coaxing, and that thing IS HEAVY it is a 2 stroke and has a LOT of snap. (fresh rebuild this winter) I rode a lot of quads before I bought my scrambler, I have to admit the auto tranny was my deciding factor the shifting all the time when riding trails was not for me, now I hear that the raptor 700 can stay in 3rd most of the time and is a ball to ride in the woods.. I will be test riding one of those soon...
You should ride one if you get the chance they have surprisingly stout motors in them..
well, 500 pounds it pretty freakin heavy if you ask me. I guess not for a sport utility though. My Z is right around 400 pounds and pulls up easily but its nothing shocking. I cant believe polaris put a 500 2 stroke motor in a sport ute though. That a powerful motor if you ask me. Just seems like a weird idea. I bet its fun though. And its 2 stroke, right? Whats the top speed?
Posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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Originally posted by: JoshCVBz
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Originally posted by: strongtyerYFZ
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well, 500 pounds it pretty freakin heavy if you ask me. I guess not for a sport utility though. My Z is right around 400 pounds and pulls up easily but its nothing shocking. I cant believe polaris put a 500 2 stroke motor in a sport ute though. That a powerful motor if you ask me. Just seems like a weird idea. I bet its fun though. And its 2 stroke, right? Whats the top speed?
No the 500 is 4-stroke.
And the 2x4's and 4x4's both pull up fairly easy once you get the timing down for when the tranny engages.
Here's a reverse wheelie on a 500 (my friend) and my woman on the seat.... Click here
And here is one on a sportsman with her on the front....
Click here
Ok, whats what I thought. I didnt think they would have a 2 stroke engine. I got cofused I guess.BR>
Well, I'm not going to argue with anyone about it. I believe you. Now I'm kinda wanting to ride a scrambler just to see for myself.
By the way, Josh- have you guys found a better place to ride yet? I know you were looking for one. Love you videos. They helped get me started making videos and trying some stunts I would have never thought to try and pull. img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
Later, Strongtyer
Posted by: YFZRyderMace
Get you a 660 raptor with a pipe hold it on the rev limiter in first dump the clutch and hope you have a grab bar and an ass left.... LOL
Posted by: Grizzman42
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Originally posted by: Webopper
Here's kind of what I do, but I'm not that good. Some guys can keep them going forever and at very slow speeds...
Anyway, on that predator start out rolling slow in second gear. Sit back on the seat and goose it while pulling back and up on the handlebars. Secret to a good wheelie is to get it right in that sweet spot between going all the way over backwards, and the front wheels coming down. Balanced if you will on the 2 rear wheels. It takes some practice to understand where that point is. If you have an old grab bar, put it on just in case she goes all the way...
Anyway, once you get it up to that point, use the throttle to balance it an move forward. Also, have your foot on the rear brake and if you start going too far back, slightly touch the brake and that will bring the front end down again. You'll see some guys on bikes and quads that like to take the wheelie past verticle and then bring it back. Hitting the back brake is how they do that also. Looks pretty cool on a 2 wheeler, but on a quad the grab bar scrapes...
Another difference on 2 wheelers and quads to be aware of. If you wheelie on a 2 wheeler, you can kind of steer by leaning left or right. That don't work on a quad, so don't run into anything...
i could not have said it any better myself. the wheelies that he explained look really cool.
Posted by: dunbarr
pull back, and lay on the gas
Posted by: ajd187
I know a good way to wheelie too.
Find a KFX700 and a surface that will give you some hookup. A dry field or pavement will work.
Punch the throttle hard.
Enjoy wheelie. BR>
Posted by: Webopper
Here's kind of what I do, but I'm not that good. Some guys can keep them going forever and at very slow speeds...
Anyway, on that predator start out rolling slow in second gear. Sit back on the seat and goose it while pulling back and up on the handlebars. Secret to a good wheelie is to get it right in that sweet spot between going all the way over backwards, and the front wheels coming down. Balanced if you will on the 2 rear wheels. It takes some practice to understand where that point is. If you have an old grab bar, put it on just in case she goes all the way...
Anyway, once you get it up to that point, use the throttle to balance it an move forward. Also, have your foot on the rear brake and if you start going too far back, slightly touch the brake and that will bring the front end down again. You'll see some guys on bikes and quads that like to take the wheelie past verticle and then bring it back. Hitting the back brake is how they do that also. Looks pretty cool on a 2 wheeler, but on a quad the grab bar scrapes...
Another difference on 2 wheelers and quads to be aware of. If you wheelie on a 2 wheeler, you can kind of steer by leaning left or right. That don't work on a quad, so don't run into anything...
Posted by: Webopper
Thanks grizzman, now if I could only do them as well as I can explain them....img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
Posted by: Webopper
KX is quicker, but the preddy is faster. Not by much.
Posted by: Webopper
Dude, have you ever ridden either on of my bikes, cause I don't seem to recall handing you the freakin keys?
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: TehWarriorGuy
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Originally posted by: atvrocks
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Originally posted by: Webopper
KX is quicker, but the preddy is faster. Not by much.Quote
are u kidding ??!?! the kx will eat the pred so badly like 20 quad length and the kx is like 5 mph faster than the pred
LOL! why would u say that wen he has both and uve probly never ridden a dirtbike
My point exactly TWG...dude is obviously an expert on the performance of the bikes sitting in my garage.
Hey atvrocks, since you've had my bikes out for numberous tests, how about fillin me in on where my preddy dyno'd at and what the top speed was with my mods. I haven't had a chance to do that yet, but I'm sure you can enlighten me...LMAO!!!
Posted by: dirtbikeguy
Sorry to get off topic here Webopper but what do you think is faster,you Predator or KX250?
Posted by: ihop
just sit back and nail the trottle thats what i do 265lbs and proud of it i do alot off work so im in shape i work a really lot then i quad so i not one of thes 265 kids who sit around all day and eat and take the quad out once in a while i used to do that but not anymore i work all day long the i lift wit my football team idc make fun of me but im happy wit my weight
Posted by: JRThibber
what is the easiest pull and keep a nice wheelie
Posted by: JRThibber
ya i clicked it twice on accident.... and thanx for the insight guys.... i can do wheelies but not really longs ones... i want to be able to keep going for awhile... anyway thanx for the help
Posted by: Sparky8370
The 400ex is the best for wheelies. The motor is a little closer to the rear than on my z, making it a little easier to keep the wheelie going. My little brother has an ex and he does 4th gear wheelies with the thing. He can ride a wheelie until he rus out of room. I'm not really that great at keeping the wheelie going. I found on my z that once I have it up to a certain point, if I keep clickin gears that's the best way to keep it going. I can keep it going in second the longest. I start the wheelie in first then when I have the front pointing to the sky I shift second (no clutch) then use the throttle and brakes to keep it there. I really haven't ridden them far, probably 100 feet.
Posted by: Sparky8370
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Originally posted by: JoshCVBz
Z400 is my choice for a wheelie quad....
For wheelie tips check out this write up I did....
HOW TO WHEELIE
I liked your article. I read that one before. I don't remember how I ended up there, maybe from this thread but definetely from this forum. I found it pretty interesting. When I was a kid I could wheelie my little KD80 all day long. I had a rad ramp (quarter pipe) for my bmx that I'd do foot plants on so I figured I try it on a burm with my KD, worked great. I had so much balls on that thing. Growing up we had a lot of different dirtbikes, 3 wheelers, and quads that we did a lot of crazy stuff on but nowadays, it doesn't seem so easy. I haven't had a quad in 11yrs though.
In your article, you said to use your clutch to shift. I've never used my clutch to shift when I'm at the right rpm. Do you think this would hurt the wheelie? I know with me it's just some sort of mental block. I found myself leaning forward as I get to balance point, knocking myself back down again. If I do it fast, I kinda get past that initial reaction.
Actually the longest wheelie I've done on my z was the other night. My brother let my uncle try his yfz and we were on this trail leading into a field. I flew past him on a wheelie, hit second and managed to keep it there a while and was getting ready to hit third when I felt myself go over a little jump. When I landed I came a little back beyond balance point, but by the time I realized it was ok I was already coming back down again. I think the reason I didn't have that initial reaction to lean forward was 'cause I couldn't see sh!t so I didn't "feel like" I was falling over. That one was long enough to start in trail and go past the baseball field.
I guess I just need to practice.
Posted by: Sparky8370
That's the one in the link.
Posted by: Torbinx
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Originally posted by: JoshCVBz
Z400 is my choice for a wheelie quad....
For wheelie tips check out this write up I did....
HOW TO WHEELIE
nice article and pics. Did you go all the way over on that pic with you sitting switchback on the handlebars? btw Ive tried many times to get the front end of my z up with it in 3rd gear but will spin out from the stock tires on gravel road. I think I should be able to do it on pavement. As for 4th Ive tried reving it to the max and dumping the clutch but that only spins the tires on dry dirt roads or jerks me forward alittle. Im most likely piping it so I should then just be able to crank it and pull back eh?
Posted by: atvrocks
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Originally posted by: Webopper
KX is quicker, but the preddy is faster. Not by much.Quote
are u kidding ??!?! the kx will eat the pred so badly like 20 quad length and the kx is like 5 mph faster than the pred
Posted by: atvrocks
I tou.ght your pred was stock But By here the 2 stroke 250 eat modded yfz, banshee and all other atv that's not fully modded ...
Posted by: atvrocks
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Originally posted by: TehWarriorGuy
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Originally posted by: atvrocks
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Originally posted by: Webopper
KX is quicker, but the preddy is faster. Not by much.Quote
are u kidding ??!?! the kx will eat the pred so badly like 20 quad length and the kx is like 5 mph faster than the pred
LOL! why would u say that wen he has both and uve probly never ridden a dirtbike
Yeah and how did u know i never ridden a dirtbike . I had a rm 80 for two years and now my brothers have a cr 125 and my father was a pro racer in our province so don't try to guess who did what and who did not ...
Posted by: atvrocks
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Originally posted by: xplorer4002stroke
First get an automatic 2 stroke atv and than just put it in gear and punch the gas and stand it right up. I have a polaris xplorer 400 and I can wheelie almost forever on flat conditions.
Hahaha get an automatic two stroke to do wheelie . Are you sure about that ?!? I'd like to see you wheelie forever
Posted by: mawcus
KFX 700 for beginners,400ex for skilled riders
Posted by: BADSHEE
Once you get good at it you can try your hand at a banshee LOL nose heavy and when the power band hits, well the grab bar usually scraps for a min.
also if your not on the street or a really good tracking suface you only spin.............................
If your just learning allot of guys like to put there foot on the grab bar, when you know how to find the sweet spot move to the seat.
good luck and dont be scared the worst that usually happens is you end up sitting on the ground with the quad sitting on its tail, no big deal.
Posted by: ZukiZ400
The best article for wheelie instructions is in this link www.atvriders.com/articles/atvwheelie.html
Posted by: xplorer4002stroke
First get an automatic 2 stroke atv and than just put it in gear and punch the gas and stand it right up. I have a polaris xplorer 400 and I can wheelie almost forever on flat conditions.
Posted by: xplorer4002stroke
They do and it wheelies well for a 4x4. The thing is also a rocket on wheels.
Posted by: Hawnduh400ex
What I do is start off in 1st then ease it into second. Once you get going at about 5-ish mph just pop the clutch and she'll come right up. I ride mine all the way through 3rd gear speeding up as I go.
Posted by: hardcoreatv
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Originally posted by: JRThibber
what is the easiest pull and keep a nice wheelie
I start off in first rolling along at about 5 mph and than pin it and switch to second gear and the front pops up perfectly. I can switch gears doing a wheelie on my pred ive got it up to 4th gear from second.
Posted by: OUA660
Forget about wheelies once your good at them try a stoppie easy on pavement but hard as he!! on dirt.
