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Posted by: kwiknik2
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Originally posted by: golfljb
I wouldn't race my Rappy vs a Preditor for pinks, the Preditor is no slouch.
and yea, I know as I own one of each - the Rappy has great low end, but the top end of the Preditor screams.
Would be a great race if the riders are comparable.
Shhhhhhh you might jerk me out of a couple of Raptors.
Posted by: kwiknik2
Please tell me the time he ran because I can't access the video or time. By the way my vette ran a 14.0 1/4 @ 100mph with only a 9.022 1/8th. I will be going to the track tonight and I hope there are some stock 700r I can practice on.
Posted by: kwiknik2
I never said I could outrun 10 sec cars. I said they are some 6 sec banshees that are quicker in the1/8th than some 10 sec cars.
Posted by: kwiknik2
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Originally posted by: Evasiveone
I have to agree with you there.
8.7 is going to take some $$$ to achieve for either the 700R or the Predator. If that Preddy is a factory freak and really does run 8.7 stock there is no way I would bring a quad to race it for pinks unless it has some serious mods.
Hey turdteen I was afraid you got skeeeerd. I too can't wait to send you home with your banshee between your legs.... that's about all you'll have left when I'm finished with you.
Posted by: kwiknik2
As for the vette comment it is a 66 conv with a worn-out stock 350,4 speed driver that I don't have time to restore just yet. I could have said 13,12 or even 11.5 but I told you I woulndn't lie to you and I will prove it!
Posted by: kwiknik2
well mike what would the stock pred run the1/4 mi if it runs a 8.7 1/8th
Posted by: kwiknik2
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Originally posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: PredatorSlim
Even if I couldn't read, common sense would tell me that your estimates are guesstimates.
Since you don't understand what I'm talking about and why I converted a 1/8th mile time to a 1/4 mile time - I'll outline it for you.
The 1/8th mile time being run was being converted to a standard 1/4 mile "estimate"(math calculation) to do a horsepower to weight calculation for 1/4 mile = HP = weight / (ET / 5.825)3 . Something that is definitely more accurate would be a 1/4 mile time, weight and trap speed. Which we don't have. Although it's not a perfect science it's pretty damn close and if you want to argue about it go ahead. But if you look at the numbers in question and what others have actually documented including the time slips I actually posted it's pretty spot on.
So argue away.
Professor mike you need to go back to school (try the school of hard knox) because the stock Predator tops out at 76 mph and when it crosses the 1/8th at 73mph @8.8 it will average 75 mph or 110 ft per sec (with me so far) at 110 ft per sec it will cover the last 660 ft. in 6 sec. Which will give it a 14.8 quarter and not 13.88 as you so called calculated. If you don't think wind drag, gearing and rpms don't play a huge part in times ran you need to stay in school or try another.
Oh, by the way it was a typo it ran a 9.7 not 8.7 .............. I don't want to scare off the pinks challenge
Posted by: kwiknik2
I will do you one better if I get the chance to do it on PINKS and win a couple of Raptors in the process.
Posted by: kwiknik2
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Originally posted by: raptor13
Twink, as soon as I here from rich at pinks Ill call you, I still think your a pimpled up teen because of your odd understanding of dragstrips and times and this other pred rider now has too be about 14 yrs old. Plus your corvette must be a turd with those times. As far as your posted times, my freind has a 06 pred, with a high comp kit, full exhaust, filter, lowered, etc. with dirt track radials. He has run this thing at least 20 times at piedmont in greensboro and the best it will do is 9.08 at 72 mph. He weighs 230. Your times are either BS or typos. I cant wait to light that pig up after you lose.
I haven't heard from you or PINKs, I hope you're not getting cold feet.
Posted by: kwiknik2
I'm ready and willing. Hopefully soon because I don't plan on keeping it stock all summer.
Posted by: kwiknik2
The 06 I plan only to pipe and jet it since I will let my 12 year old sand dragi it. My 03 parts are at Hard Rock as we speak It will be a 558 and hopefully running a sub 5sec 300ft. That way the kid and I will be in different classes and not competing with each other.
Posted by: kwiknik2
What is the latest on the Pinks race 13?
Posted by: shadowSVT
Wow, this thread has been around for a while.
I will give my 2 cents as I own both.
The Rappy has MUCH better low end and is really enjoyable bike to just putt around on, but don't let that fool you, the thing hauls butt and will just about smoke anything out there including Banshee's and the other 450's up the dunes.
The Preditor really comes on about midrange and pulls like crazy to the top end. I have raced it against ALBA Yamaha 450's and pretty much was neck and neck up the dune and pulled away from the Banshee.
I have not raced my Rappy vs my Preditor, but they are both fast but with different power deliveries - depends on if your racing or just out casual riding. If I'm in a racing mode, I'd pick the Preditor - but for most casual riding situations, the Rappy is more enjoyable.
I will give props to Polaris for their selection of parts on the Preditor though, NONE of the japanese big 4 can even come close to the quality of componits that the Preditor comes stock with. It's like my KTM, it came with the good stuff already on it, except for the exhaust. Steel braded lines, quality shocks, quality tires, quality rims - all stuff you'll spend much more on if you buy one of the others. I'm already starting to replace the cheap crap that came on my Rappy with better stuff.
Posted by: golfljb
I would not take a Raptor 660 over my preditor - not a chance, unless the Raptor is extremely modded.
Posted by: golfljb
you'll like the preditor over a 660. My family has 660's so I know they don't compair.
I wouldn't get too rapped up in hp figures, as the power delivery is much different between the 500 and the 700. The 500 makes its hp much farther up the rpm chain, which is fine if your racing, but my 700 will pull the front wheels in 3rd at just above an idle, my preditor needs to be at 7,000 rpm to pull the fronts.
Posted by: golfljb
I wouldn't race my Rappy vs a Preditor for pinks, the Preditor is no slouch.
and yea, I know as I own one of each - the Rappy has great low end, but the top end of the Preditor screams.
Would be a great race if the riders are comparable.
Posted by: raptor700r2007
Believe what you want but i have an '07 Raptor 700r with nothing in it. i will bet anything that i will smoke a predator in a drag or on a dirt track. Agree?
Posted by: PigDog
I got a 06 Raptor 700(stock) and i rode a 06 Polaris Outlaw(HMF Pipe) the other day.
Well all i can say is that in actual power & acceleration there is no comparison, Raptor is much faster.
I would compare the power of the outlaw as slightly better than a LTZ400(with pipe & air filer).
Handling only better in really rough terrain(IRS) otherwise in corners and normal terrain Raptor is much more stable and faster.
Also with the Outlaw you can't really slide her around because of the IRS whereas with the Raptor its as easy as a flick of the throttle.
Lastly as far as fit & finish is concerned Yamaha is leaps & bounds ahead of Polaris, the joins, welds and overall finish are not up there with Yamaha
Posted by: PredatorSlim
You can't guess 1/4 mile times, based on 1/8 mile times...to many factors. If two cars ran the same 1/8 mile time, but one was at the red line and the other wasn't...they would have significantly different 1/4 mile times. Step father had an 1/8 mile car, when attempting to run a 1/4 mile he had to coast through the last fifty yards...which equates to awesome 1/8 mile times and crappy 1/4 mile times. Two completely different setups, with no comparison.
Posted by: PredatorSlim
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Originally posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: PredatorSlim
You can't guess 1/4 mile times, based on 1/8 mile times...to many factors. If two cars ran the same 1/8 mile time, but one was at the red line and the other wasn't...they would have significantly different 1/4 mile times. Step father had an 1/8 mile car, when attempting to run a 1/4 mile he had to coast through the last fifty yards...which equates to awesome 1/8 mile times and crappy 1/4 mile times. Two completely different setups, with no comparison.
Stay in school kid. It's not a guess. There are general calculations for converting 1/8th to 1/4 mile times. Nobody is claiming it is spot on for every combination. But you can use weight/horsepower/ET calculators to get a base. There is definitely a calculation on weight to horsepower that is needed to run a certain time.
Here is a whole list of calculators for you to dispute > http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm
lol
Sorry left school years ago, now I sit behind this desk and get paid. You are telling me that you can take an 1/8 mile time and tell me what the 1/4 mile time will be...BS. Were does gearing come into your calculations, we are talking two completely different set-ups.
Must be great to know everything.
Posted by: PredatorSlim
Even if I couldn't read, common sense would tell me that your estimates are guesstimates.
Posted by: chickenfeet
well i would go wid the raptor 700 i got one and waxed a preadtor like it wont nothing and im yamaha all the way
Posted by: chickenfeet
well kwiknik idk no wat will hapen well i do but i got a 700 stock and raced a pred wid pipe and airfilter we race 8th of mile i waxed it like i waxed my dirtbike so raptor 13 is going to beat u if yall both are stock i dont want no fight but thr raptor is going to win
Posted by: pabst660r
dam this is a useless thread.the 660r and the pred to me have about the same power.i know because i used to own a pred and have a 660r right now.the 700 is quicker than both but thats due to the e.f.i improvements on it not because of the extra 20cc`s (they are not a true 700cc`s).anyways...if it were me i`d go with the 700 just because of the efi and the fact that the raptor has a bigger selection of aftermarket parts.the pred has been around since 03 and the aftermarket selection is still weak at best.which isn`t the preds fault...it really is a class act quad for what it is.i think being die hard about one brand of atv`s is really silly if you ask me.
Posted by: pabst660r
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Originally posted by: Bradracer18
I agree 100% with you^^^^ There is more out for the pred, than you know though.....about 8-10 different big bore kits.....thousands of pipes,etc.
they do have a good selection of parts don`t get me wrong!...but compaired to the raptors selection it is smaller.i`m still wondering how the pred/raptor war got started?to me it is pointless....who gives a crap?...seriously?
Posted by: raptor09
Note to all predator suck no affence but raptor all the way i beat a predator 500 on my 85.RAPTOR
Posted by: raptor09
im sry if i affended you in any way. but if you are lookoing for comfort predator speed raptor
Posted by: scootyscootyscot
the wet weights for the two quads are:
2007 raptor 700 weights about 424lbs (423lbs. gas&oil -straight from yamaha's manual +1lbs. coolant)
2007 predator 500 weights about 433lbs (dry 405lbs. +19.5lbs of gas +4lbs. of oil +4.5lbs. of coolant)
Posted by: Chickenlips01
Go with the outlaw 525. Raptor power plus some and a better ride!
Posted by: cactikiller
I kill crapturds every weekend on the mx track.
Posted by: KillaRaptor700
O.K i have both the Raptor 700 and the predator 500 and the raptor does bet the predd in a drag race and top speed,but the predator does bet the raptor 660.
Posted by: KillaRaptor700
Well my crapturd will beat your predaturd.Even my predaturd will beat your predaturd.
Posted by: KillaRaptor700
Thats True.
Posted by: bigned1904
I think the raptor 700r is a far better machine. i have never been beat by a predator on my 700.
07 raptor 700r
k&n air filter
white bros pro exaust
power commander e.f.i
ITP sand stars
durable eliminator x-33 axle
I-shock front end
Posted by: bigned1904
comparing the 660 raptor to the 700 is like compairing the 400ex to the 450r
Posted by: bigned1904
another problem to me is when you want to upgrade the power i cant extend the suspestion in the back like your chould your swingarm, this is why you never see any "crazy" predators.
Posted by: gablett
Don't mean to dig at old wounds, but I just recently purchased an outlaw 525 after much research. I have ridden everything and owned most. From a 300ex to a highly modified 450(now 501) honda that runs 111 octane leaded racing fuel that will smoke modded banshees, DS650's, Raptor 700 and 660, YFZ450, Renegade 800, Can Am 650, z400 highly modded, and just about everything in between. I have only had my outlaw for 4 days and I would not hesitate to race any of the above mentioned. There is no question it will walk all over a 700 raptor. That KTM is amazing, and proven. It has power everywhere but shines on the low end. I rode one with a pipe no airbox and rejetted and I could hardly hold on. People dont seem to recognize what this bike is capable of since there isnt alot of them. But if you are after a fast bike that is very comfortable to ride, outlaw is it. And dont let people fool you about the IRS. I can corner on it just like a straight axle and come out of the corners hotter with a much quicker hook-up. Everyone has thier favorites. And as you can see I am not a fan boy, I just ride whats fast. I dont care for polaris and if it had a polaris 525(if ones existed) I wouldnt even consider it. Its fast guys, go ride one.
