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Posted by: OffRder15
If you want the biggest, baddest and latest beast out then go with the 700. However, the complete package you get on the Predator is also hard to beat (esp the TLD or LE). If you liked your '04 Pred then you should like the '05 or '06 more with the seat/handle bar improvement, smoother shifting tranny and added reverse. You can get a good deal on an '05 right now too.
Needless to say, brand loyalty influences a lot of answers you get on posts like this. If it was me I would wait a little on the 700 Raptor being a 1st year model (you never know esp. with the new frame). The way the ATV market has been the past 5 years with new models having problems is rediculous.
Good luck on your decision.
Posted by: GE4x4
Just to clerify, when both the Pred and Raptor 700 are set up the same, tires and all, the Raptor weighs more then the Pred.
Posted by: GE4x4
Well I can answer the weight question on the 700 and Predator. I bought a 700 in Dec to race XC. I set the 700 exactly as my brother Pred. Razr2 tires on Hipers, PRM bumpers, AC pro peg, skid plates and so on. My Raptor was brand new so I weighed each componant that came off then replaced with better stuff. We did the same thing with my brothers Pred. Well when all done except for suspension, the Raptor gained 54lbs over stock. Thus would of had a dry weight of 450lbs. Bro's Pred gained 30lbs thus a dry weight of 445lbs. So when set up even the Pred weighed less by 5lbs. The front bumper on the 700 only weighed 8onces and there were many pathetic stock stuff. No wonder they got it to 396lbs. The problem is, many add things to there quad and still thinks it weighs the same as stock.
Posted by: GE4x4
What about the Outlaw 525. Results from the sand dunes who has one and a Raptor. This is what he said.
Ok heres the facts. with stock 525 and stock jetting
1st Yes it will beat a bone stock Raptor 700 by about 3 lenghts.
2nd Yes it will beat a 700 with no baffle and no lid by about 1 lenght
3rd It will not beat a 700 with a pipe and filter
4th It will destroy most 450's with bolt ons
The facts with 525 with no baffle or lid on air box and stock jetting
1st It will now trade wins with a 700 with a pipe (but not the 2 with the lte)
2nd It would beat some banshee's
3rd It did get beat by a ltr but the guy wouldnt say what he did to it.
Posted by: TractorPacker
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Originally posted by: 2mnyToyz
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Originally posted by: sikraptor700
dude, the raptor 700 will kill a pred, dont believe me go drag one, and wait till some more mag tests come out
I wouldn't know, stock for stock. My preddy has a high rev CDI, LTE pipes and clamp-on K&N, no internal engine mods. We had some impromptu sand drags at our local area with the guys I ride with. One was on the raptor 700, we were pretty equal. Whomever was able to keep the front end down at the start was able to win. He's still sorting out his bike, mod wise, so it'll be nice to see what it does when he's done. He did need to re-gear, the preddy would just start to walk away at the finish line if we both got a good start. But if he re-geared it might clean that up.
From what I could see the 700 is a nice bike with the aluminum sub-frame, dimensions and lower center of gravity than the 660. But, I disagree that a 700 would kill a pred. We'll see what happens when they're both modded equally.
I was there and thought 2mnychickenchoker was beating the 700. I was about a front wheel behind on one of those little 450's. I will say though if both guys were standing there and offered me to ride their quads, I would take the raptor first.
Posted by: Martianman
A friend of mine has a 05 and stock it would outrun his friends 04with Yoshimura and hi-flo filter,so after he put a HMF slipon and free flo air filter /jetted it ran really well.I haven't had the pleasure of seeing one of the new Raptors run,unfortunately I was one of the first 660 buyers of the 2001(with tranny problems)so I will definately wait and see how they hold up.My 660 was one of the ones that broke just with exhaust and KN filter.
Posted by: kwiknik
In a 1/8 th mi. drag stock vs stock ..my money is on the Predator.
Posted by: kwiknik
Also in that Dirt Wheels the Predator Quickly walked away from the Raptor.( funny how that was left out).
Posted by: kwiknik
From what I understand the 700 has a bigger bore than the 660 but also revs 500 rpms less. So i would imagine top speed would be about the same. On the Predators; the biggest difference between the Troy Lee and standard is the 1st thru 4th ratio. I'm willing to bet the Standard Predator would win by as much or more.
Posted by: kwiknik
I forgot to add that I'm sure the 700 is quicker than the 660 but I would guess the top speed is close.
Posted by: kwiknik
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Originally posted by: YFZ660R
If the 660r owned the Predator, the 700R is going to tear it up!
If the 660 RAPTOR owned the Predator They wouldn't need to make the 700R. Neccessity is the Mother of invention hence the 700R
Posted by: kwiknik
Man I am 210 lbs and this past friday I ran a 8.85 1/8 th on a 100% stock 06 Pred. There were 2 700 (one with an aftermarket pipe) Raptors that didn't get lower than a 9.2. So just go to your local dragstrip and see if you can beat that. If you can outrun me on mines by 6 bike lenghts (which I would pay to see) you should run a 8.3 or 8.4.
Posted by: kwiknik
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Originally posted by: crazypainter
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Originally posted by: kwiknik
Man I am 210 lbs and this past friday I ran a 8.85 1/8 th on a 100% stock 06 Pred. There were 2 700 (one with an aftermarket pipe) Raptors that didn't get lower than a 9.2. So just go to your local dragstrip and see if you can beat that. If you can outrun me on mines by 6 bike lenghts (which I would pay to see) you should run a 8.3 or 8.4.
My stock chassis DS does run 8.3 at 78 in the 1/8 on gas.
Posted by: kwiknik
Excuse the double post this is my first time quoting someone. Crazy did you ever run it all stock in the 1/8th. This past weekend was the same results as the last : the 700s didn't break 9.2 and my best was 8.91. One of the 700 had a wheelie bar with pipe/jet the other was lowered with pipe/jet. On the experience issue I've been racing these same guys off & on for 2 years and i'm still giving up at least 20lbs to the larger one. Until I see different I will believe that stock for stock the Pred will win.
Posted by: Ozark38
Posted by: Scooter86
I don't see any reason to buy another of what you already have. Why not try out the new Raptor if you are going to buy another quad?
Posted by: Scooter86
The 700R is and has been out for a little while. My local dealer has a blue and a white one sitting on his showroom floor ready to go, along with an 06 YFZ.
Posted by: Scooter86
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Originally posted by: BryceGTX
Seems to me if you want the 700 and Pre to have the same setup, you need to add 1 inch of suspension travel front and back to the 700 and you need to increase the rear tires by an inch. Seems to me, that is going to increase the weight of the 700.
Bryce
Adding shocks with an extra inch of travel will not change the weight of the Rappy by much at all, same by going to slightly larger tires. We aren't talking about switching 24" stock out for 26" or 27" mudders here or anything. Sure the Pred comes with a heavy duty swingarm, axle and such, but if we could see 10 years into the future, I would bet that most of the trailridden 700R's will still be running the stock components in those areas.
Posted by: Scooter86
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Originally posted by: BryceGTX
You are assuming that the only thing you need to change is shocks and springs. If you have to change A-arms, shocks, swing arm, tires and wheels. You could easily gain the weight. Not to mention the huge expense.
Bryce
Just for giggles, I say that you don't need to replace the tires, wheels, a-arms, or swingarm. What exactly is wrong with these parts on the 700? The arms and swinger are the same units as the YFZ now, which are more than stout enough for trail riding and some occasional racing. My only beef with the stock radials is the sidewalls are susceptible to punctures. Traction wise they are close enough to Holeshots, maybe even closer to the stock Razrs most Preds come with. I think Preds are great, and if Polaris would have gotten off thier can and released the '05 model a few months earlier, that is what I would have been riding now. Let's face it though, Yamaha fixed the shortcomings of the previous generation Raptor, and gave it a stronger engine to boot. It is also a great quad, worthy of ownership.
Posted by: Bradracer18
won't beat this preddy..........even stock......an tld or 700r that is........mine seems faster than other preds........
Posted by: Bradracer18
by polaris you mean?? I agree......now I think I'd just wait it out.....although some of the new preds, like spyder's, are pretty nice.......and would trade with good value still. I'm hoping for the ktm/pred quad. A 520cc or something close to 450cc(don't know if they have a 450 or not)......would be very nice.....and will probably be in my garage......
Posted by: Bradracer18
1bad........I understand you have beaten some.......but trust me, many guys who ride them can't ride....and can't work on them!!!! Stock, mine could beat a rappy(just basically dead even)......and piped, jetted, and drop in filter(not that great)......I could run even with the yfz's........now.......I don't have trouble with either.....
Posted by: Bradracer18
No one knows yet.......but I doubt the outlaw will.........like said above, the pred will probably go out....and will be replaced with ktm powered in pred frames........
I agree 100% with what moto26 said......I think polaris will be doing something similar to that.....it just makes sense.
Posted by: Bradracer18
yeah sounds good........doubt I'll ever be there......but hey......ya never know.
Yeah......my pred will handle a piped yfz(intake, jetted, and exhaust all modded)........by about a lengh or so......so mine runs pretty well. And the 03's are faster for some unknown reason(some of them anyway.......I think it has been found that some of the heads are different).......and mine is fairly quick. Now....that it is modded......its pretty quick......but I also have close to 900 bucks in the engine.......
Posted by: Bradracer18
I agree......that is what I was looking for......I ride/race more xc......and some mx......so I don't really care about drag racing. I do think it is more fun to build something that no one thinks is worth a crap.....to end up getting respect and even beating some of the better drag quads.......that is another reason I chose the pred.....is it is underrated....and I like to mess with stuff. Its great for the trails....
well....off to bed I think......
Posted by: Bradracer18
maybe that is why mdaddy has a warrior too.........oh wait........no matter what.......my pred and your r.......willl still beat them stock......ha.
Posted by: Bradracer18
As for pipes......the pure polaris/white bros pipe(same pipe).......is a good pipe to have. Even better is the hmf pipe........doesn't matter which one you get, they are all the same. The bill balance pipe is carbon fiber I believe, which just means its lighter......not by that much though.....and if you ever want more power......after you have one of these pipes, go and get the rath racing head pipe......it will really open the exhaust up........then onto freeing up the intake side with the nicholas cycle carb mods and filter kit......
Posted by: Bradracer18
I would sure hope a 700 would beat a 500 by a considerable amount.......but hey, what do I know........
Posted by: Bradracer18
I agree 100% with you^^^^ There is more out for the pred, than you know though.....about 8-10 different big bore kits.....thousands of pipes,etc.
Posted by: Bradracer18
Fine..........my predator is faster than any other yamaha out there.......ok, argue away.......haha
Posted by: motox26
I wouldn't buy a Pred just for the simple fact that it will be getting replaced by a updated machine before to long.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: Bradracer18
by polaris you mean?? I agree......now I think I'd just wait it out.....although some of the new preds, like spyder's, are pretty nice.......and would trade with good value still. I'm hoping for the ktm/pred quad. A 520cc or something close to 450cc(don't know if they have a 450 or not)......would be very nice.....and will probably be in my garage......
Yeah by Polaris. And yes KTM has a 450 motor.
I think your going to see a 450cc type quad AND a big bore Sport from Polaris in the next year or two. They will probably drop the currenct 500cc Pred and the Outlaw will take it's place.
Posted by: crazypainter
Last sunday watched a couple of piped and jetted preds run against 2 700r's. It was close and they would swap wins depending on holeshot. By far the fastest there was a DS. He could start 2 bikes back and pass all at half track. I don't think it was completely stock LOL.
Posted by: crazypainter
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Originally posted by: spyder6
prally a turbo DS, love to have one of those too. i wish i lived near some sand :/
No turbo on that one. Stock bore naturally aspirated, no NOS either.
Posted by: crazypainter
This ones 60+hp.
Posted by: crazypainter
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Originally posted by: kwiknik
Man I am 210 lbs and this past friday I ran a 8.85 1/8 th on a 100% stock 06 Pred. There were 2 700 (one with an aftermarket pipe) Raptors that didn't get lower than a 9.2. So just go to your local dragstrip and see if you can beat that. If you can outrun me on mines by 6 bike lenghts (which I would pay to see) you should run a 8.3 or 8.4.
My stock chassis DS does run 8.3 at 78 in the 1/8 on gas.
Posted by: crazypainter
Kwiknik, no I never ran it stock. The bone stock preds around here are generally a little over 9 in the 1/8. this weekend we might take the kids ds with an end cap and carb to see how it does, if we run it I'll post the results of his.
Posted by: 2mnyToyz
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Originally posted by: sikraptor700
dude, the raptor 700 will kill a pred, dont believe me go drag one, and wait till some more mag tests come out
I wouldn't know, stock for stock. My preddy has a high rev CDI, LTE pipes and clamp-on K&N, no internal engine mods. We had some impromptu sand drags at our local area with the guys I ride with. One was on the raptor 700, we were pretty equal. Whomever was able to keep the front end down at the start was able to win. He's still sorting out his bike, mod wise, so it'll be nice to see what it does when he's done. He did need to re-gear, the preddy would just start to walk away at the finish line if we both got a good start. But if he re-geared it might clean that up.
From what I could see the 700 is a nice bike with the aluminum sub-frame, dimensions and lower center of gravity than the 660. But, I disagree that a 700 would kill a pred. We'll see what happens when they're both modded equally.
Posted by: Trevor
I hate polaris so it would be the yammy for me. But I would get a honda 1st
Posted by: AnimalMother85
i was going to buy a predator before i bought my banshee-in-a-box. Now that the new raptor is out...hands down, the raptor, its lighter, more powerfull(i believe) a yamaha(cause i am a yamaha guy) and yeah, just a killer bike from my understanding.
Posted by: Bomberboy
Lol yea that bike was fast!
Posted by: YFZ660R
If the 660r owned the Predator, the 700R is going to tear it up!
Posted by: Fahq
Go sit on both of them. See which feels more comfortable to you.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
Raptor all the way
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
The Z-450 is surpose to be an awesome race bike. I wonder if it will be better than the YFZ.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
Thats what its looking like!
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
YA, but it was a troy lee ed. Predator.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
It would build a big lead but loose most of it trying to rebuild the revs. Since its the troy lee version it should have beat the raptor which it pretty much did. However the article also said if you were to invest an extra 500 dollers in the raptor it would make it a better buy. A freer flowing muffler, extended axle amd a slightly wider front end. So the new 700R should get the job done.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
I would rather see a 700R vs a DS650. I think the new 700R will beat the Pred no problem.
Posted by: H
PRED vs. RAPPY 700, Perfprmance is too close to call, personally I like the Raptor better. I love that white with red frame, SO for me its the looks that do it.
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: kwiknik2
With a 225 lbs rider I can run a 8.7 1/8th on a stock 06 predator. My 130 lbs nephew with his piped/jetted 06yfz trade wins with me. His 230lbs dad runs 9.2 and can't touch me on mines. With that being said I have yet to see a stock 700 raptor run a sub let alone an 8.7. I only wish i could race you raptor 13.
TIME SLIPS
VIDEO 1
VIDEO 2
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: Evasiveone
That time slip and 2 videos are from "VelociRaptor" and he is not even close to stock on his 700.
He is running +1mm Wiseco 11:1 Piston Ported head, GYTR Full intake GYTR Full exhaust Dobeck TFi 15t sprocket. He is putting down some nice hp at around 55 to the rear with knobbies.
Exactly. BR>
Stock Predator isn't going to run those times.
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: kwiknik2
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I can't wait until the doubters submit! The 06 Pred is no freak my 03 did 8.9 stock the 06 has a little more revs(from factory) and the radials on.
I'd personally like to see your video and slips of a bone stock pred doing those times.
Your math has already been off when you say stuff like "you beat 10 sec cars in the 1/8th" Even a high 10 sec car will be doing 7 flat in the 1/8th and mid 10 second cars are doing 6.7 in the 1/8th.
Lets just do a little math here:
The predator weight is 415lbs dry.
One Gallon of gas weighs approx 6.25 lbs. So say we have 2 gallons in the bike, now we're up to 427.5lbs.
If I remember right you said you weigh 230 lbs.
Add 2 quarts of motor oil which is approx 1.15 lbs per qt.
Water for the radiator - 8.33lbs per gallon - not sure what it holds but it's at least a gallon so we'll add one.
Total weight including driver = 668.13lbs
We use your 8.9 1/8th mile time that equals 13.88 in the 1/4 mile.
Using a weight to ET horsepower calculator = To run this time you would need approximately 47hp at the wheels to run this time.
I don't see it happening.
I posted time slips and video of someone who has around 55hp at the wheels which adds up to his times. Your times don't add up.
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: PredatorSlim
You can't guess 1/4 mile times, based on 1/8 mile times...to many factors. If two cars ran the same 1/8 mile time, but one was at the red line and the other wasn't...they would have significantly different 1/4 mile times. Step father had an 1/8 mile car, when attempting to run a 1/4 mile he had to coast through the last fifty yards...which equates to awesome 1/8 mile times and crappy 1/4 mile times. Two completely different setups, with no comparison.
Stay in school kid. It's not a guess. There are general calculations for converting 1/8th to 1/4 mile times. Nobody is claiming it is spot on for every combination. But you can use weight/horsepower/ET calculators to get a base. There is definitely a calculation on weight to horsepower that is needed to run a certain time.
Here is a whole list of calculators for you to dispute > http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm
lol
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: nathanpri08
Boys and girls displacemeant doesnt mean a thing anymore.If that was the case those 450's wouldnt be that fast.It horsepower per cc.A 450 for example has more horsepower per cc than a raptor or a ds.Thats why there as quick or quicker.My ds or the raptor might be 653cc and 686cc but the 450cc are still as quick.Displacemeant means nothing anymore.
Please stop while your ahead because you sound like a total noob.
Displacement does mean something and it always will. It means something in every application, cars, trucks, motorcycles and everything in between. If you think it doesn't, that just tells me you are clueless, and don't know anything about engines.
Here is a little lesson in displacement for you regarding these quads in question.
1) First, the larger displacement will increase torque. Torque is what gets you moving. Larger bores will increases torque in the lower rpm range. It also will make more power and torque with less effort.
2) When it comes to the raptor 700 it has a low compression motor from the factory (9.2:1). It makes the same horsepower as high strung 450s but it starts making the power lower in the rpm range and it also has more torque than the 450 motors. Why? because of DISPLACEMENT.
3) If you understand the above you'd know the reason the 450s are close in speed. It is because of a high compression motor and weight. They are higher revving motors with higher compression pistons that don't make power until they are wound up... similar to a 2-stroke engine. Try taking a 450 and put it in third and crawl a steep hill and you'll see why displacement means something. Another real world example where displacement makes a difference is it's ability to move weight because of the increased torque.
Now with all that being said. If you take a Raptor 700, install a higher compression piston, lets say the same as a standard 450 engine (in the 11:1 to 12:5 range) you will see A LOT more horsepower and torque being made than a 450 with everything else being the same.
If you want more details of why displacement still means something, just let me know, I'll school you a little more. You need to learn to spell the word displacement as well.
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: PredatorSlim
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Originally posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: PredatorSlim
You can't guess 1/4 mile times, based on 1/8 mile times...to many factors. If two cars ran the same 1/8 mile time, but one was at the red line and the other wasn't...they would have significantly different 1/4 mile times. Step father had an 1/8 mile car, when attempting to run a 1/4 mile he had to coast through the last fifty yards...which equates to awesome 1/8 mile times and crappy 1/4 mile times. Two completely different setups, with no comparison.
Stay in school kid. It's not a guess. There are general calculations for converting 1/8th to 1/4 mile times. Nobody is claiming it is spot on for every combination. But you can use weight/horsepower/ET calculators to get a base. There is definitely a calculation on weight to horsepower that is needed to run a certain time.
Here is a whole list of calculators for you to dispute > http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm
lol
Sorry left school years ago, now I sit behind this desk and get paid. You are telling me that you can take an 1/8 mile time and tell me what the 1/4 mile time will be...BS. Were does gearing come into your calculations, we are talking two completely different set-ups.
Must be great to know everything.
Thanks.
If you used some reading comprehension, you would of understood what I said and if you can't understand, I can't help you. Sorry.
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: PredatorSlim
Even if I couldn't read, common sense would tell me that your estimates are guesstimates.
Since you don't understand what I'm talking about and why I converted a 1/8th mile time to a 1/4 mile time - I'll outline it for you.
The 1/8th mile time being run was being converted to a standard 1/4 mile "estimate"(math calculation) to do a horsepower to weight calculation for 1/4 mile = HP = weight / (ET / 5.825)3 . Something that is definitely more accurate would be a 1/4 mile time, weight and trap speed. Which we don't have. Although it's not a perfect science it's pretty damn close and if you want to argue about it go ahead. But if you look at the numbers in question and what others have actually documented including the time slips I actually posted it's pretty spot on.
So argue away.
Posted by: MikeCamp
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Originally posted by: kwiknik2Professor mike you need to go back to school (try the school of hard knox) because the stock Predator tops out at 76 mph and when it crosses the 1/8th at 73mph @8.8 it will average 75 mph or 110 ft per sec (with me so far) at 110 ft per sec it will cover the last 660 ft. in 6 sec. Which will give it a 14.8 quarter and not 13.88 as you so called calculated. If you don't think wind drag, gearing and rpms don't play a huge part in times ran you need to stay in school or try another.
Oh, by the way it was a typo it ran a 9.7 not 8.7 .............. I don't want to scare off the pinks challenge
ROFL
kwiknik2, I guess down south "Y'all can't weed very well" LOL
Seems like some of you guys only read what you want to read. (Which I know happens all the time on message forums)
If you are a little slow, I'll help you out, the points being made in BOLD are key notes.
"The 1/8th mile time being run was being converted to a standard 1/4 mile "estimate"(math calculation) to do a horsepower to weight calculation for 1/4 mile = HP = weight / (ET / 5.825)3 . Something that is definitely more accurate would be a 1/4 mile time, weight and trap speed."
1) The first sentence says - a estimated math calculation to get a HORSEPOWER to WEIGHT. If you don't understand the point of this, I'll tell you. It is to show how much power your machine needs to make to be able to run a specific time ( For the slow - The specific time in question was 8.X - meaning sub 9.0 seconds in the 1.8th mile). It is a calculation that hundreds of racers use to get a very close ESTIMATE of the power their machine makes including cars, bikes, and all quarter mile machines. NOBODY, including myself says its perfect but it can be pretty damn close
2) The second sentence states - 1/4 mile time - weight - trap speed, would have been more accurate. Is there a argument here?
3) I am completely aware of gearing, top out speed... and all the rest of the variables involved. Using a calculation, the horsepower to weight doesn't add up to your times being run, no matter how you want to slice it.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THINGS SIMPLE, JUST IGNORE EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID AND JUST POST A VIDEO OF YOU RUNNING 8.X TIMES ON A BONE STOCK PREDATOR, I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE IT.
Posted by: BryceGTX
Seems to me if you want the 700 and Pre to have the same setup, you need to add 1 inch of suspension travel front and back to the 700 and you need to increase the rear tires by an inch. Seems to me, that is going to increase the weight of the 700.
Bryce
Posted by: BryceGTX
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Originally posted by: Scooter86
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Originally posted by: BryceGTX
Seems to me if you want the 700 and Pre to have the same setup, you need to add 1 inch of suspension travel front and back to the 700 and you need to increase the rear tires by an inch. Seems to me, that is going to increase the weight of the 700.
Bryce
Adding shocks with an extra inch of travel will not change the weight of the Rappy by much at all, same by going to slightly larger tires. We aren't talking about switching 24" stock out for 26" or 27" mudders here or anything. Sure the Pred comes with a heavy duty swingarm, axle and such, but if we could see 10 years into the future, I would bet that most of the trailridden 700R's will still be running the stock components in those areas.
You are assuming that the only thing you need to change is shocks and springs. If you have to change A-arms, shocks, swing arm, tires and wheels. You could easily gain the weight. Not to mention the huge expense.
Bryce
Posted by: 1988fast250x
Dirt wheels had a shoot out between the raptor 660 and the preditor 500 well the preditor won the drag my 1 mph faster than the 660 and the 700 blows the 600 away so theres your answer!!!
preditor toped out at 75 and the 660r topped out at 74 thats what dirt wheels said they had them clocked by the police radar gun and everything!!!!
I say the 700r would smoke it!!
Posted by: XtremeSkier
Pred..
actually i'd rather have the new Z-450 when it comes out
so if the Z-450 was out it'd be
Z-450
Pred
Raptor
Posted by: spyder6
as far as i know, the Predator and Outlaw are getting the KTM 525 motors
Posted by: spyder6
well the KTM quad draw up if you look closely on the swing arm it has 525 on it, so its a sure thing that its gonna come with the 525. maybe 06 is the last year for the pred?
Posted by: spyder6
im sure as hell that that 700r motor is bullet proof and id love to have one along side my pred, but i'll always take my pred for obvious reasons
Posted by: spyder6
prally a turbo DS, love to have one of those too. i wish i lived near some sand :/
Posted by: spyder6
well thats the same motor that BMW uses on their Dakar bike, so its got to have some German magic in there somewere, those crazy guys can pull 300 horses out of a 1 leiter engine
Posted by: spyder6
i can say this once and i'll say this again, all this is is a battle of who could care less. both quads fit their purposes flawlessly, and they both have 2 different purposes. I love my predator, and the 700 is awesome, and i would buy it in a second, but it really is overated to the max. thats just my honest opinion
Posted by: spyder6
have fun with it!
Posted by: spyder6
i would like to say, that almost everyone in this thread is an idiot.
of course the raptor 700 is going to beat the predator. good god
Posted by: spyder6
your point is?
Posted by: spyder6
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Posted by: MenageAquad
Thanks for the helpful thread, folks. I'm in the market for a faster trail quad in the next month or so. Right now I'm looking at the Predator or Raptor 700 (although I haven't ruled out a z400). I'm gonna do some test-rides and see what I think. I'll let you know what I end up getting.
Posted by: MenageAquad
700raptor: Did you have to buy an aftermarket EFI kit to go along w/ your slip on pipe? I had heard that the EFI only adjusts for atmospheric pressure changes, not performance mods.
Posted by: MenageAquad
Oh, and an update on the quad search...I've taken test rides on a Z, Pred, and 700 Raptor. Right now I'm leaning towards the Predator. I found a pretty sweet 05 Limited Edition that already has a White Bros. pipe on it from the factory. The Z was nice but it wasn't quite right for me. It would definitely need a pipe to wake it up a bit. I'm not sure what I think of the Raptor since I only got to drive it on pavement and not over 2nd gear. It's hard to convince myself that it's worth over $1000 more based on that short ride. Anybody have one they want to let me take on a real trail ride?
Posted by: MenageAquad
I decided to get the Limited Edition Predator. I pick it up this weekend. Thanks for your help folks.
The hard part is gonna be working this week while I'm thinking about a new quad!
Posted by: Steveo10
Here's a unbiased view. I have 3 friends with pred,660,700. The 660 will just beat the pred. But the 700R will pull away from pred.
I have no info on the 525. Is it faster accelerting ATV out there?
Posted by: spoRtRax450R
powerwise i dont think there wont be much difference, except the raptor will have more torque and be slightly quicker STOCK. if ur going to leave it stock, id say it will be close. if ur going to modify go with the raptor. but if all u want to spend is $7000, remember the pred is about $800 cheaper. if u spend it wisely u may end up with a better machine
Posted by: Warrior02man
rappy 700 hands down.. its a yfz 450 frame with a 700 motor basically. The Outlaw is just a preddy with IRS.. nothin big.. plus it weigh 440lbs! The preddy is nice.. but u want to have the yamaha.. better known for quality that polaris.. where they scr3w u half the time with customer service and all teh other problems that the polaris owners complain about.
go with the rappy 700.. cant go wrong.
Posted by: forestphantom
Polaris does have the new 06 Outlaw, but I don't know much about it and it may not be too good since it's a irs sport bike. I'm a yamaha man so naturally I'm gonna say the 700r is bada$$, go look at 'em.
Posted by: predtldrider
I am not looking to start a battle Yamaha vs Polaris etc. Just a little insight. Wondering how the new Raptor 700 compares to the Pred, and I dont care if one's a little faster than the other. I had an 04 Predator and am in the market for another. Polaris had nothing new for 06, although I was for the most part pleased with my 04, and am inclined to go with the Pred again. Just wonering if anybody has compared the 2 and what they think. I was pleased with the power and ride of the Predator, was a little heavy. I ride majority of time in the dunes.
I rode a 450, plenty fast just not very comfortable or to my liking. Rode a Raptor 660, wasnt very impressed, thought the Predator was a lot better bike. Looking for comfortable smooth ride and good sand bike.
Like I said, probably going to go Pred again, just wondering if anybody knows something about the 700 that would change my mind. Thanks.
Posted by: predtldrider
May have to take a second look at that 700. Yea, I'd buy a Honda too except they dont have something comparable w/elec start and reverse. 5 or 10 yrs ago wouldnt a mattered and Id have been all about either the Honda or Yamaha 450. Now looking for a comfortable ride w/plenty of power and good handling, something you can scream on up and down the dunes all day and it doesnt feel like it was trying to kill you. And elec start and reverse. Like I said I was not at all impressed with the Raptor 660 in comparision to my Pred, but if the new one is that much different may have to look again. Thanks for the input.
Posted by: predtldrider
Z450? Not out yet I assume? Anyway, I totaled my 04 Predator reason Im looking for another. I think out of the box the Predator offers more, suspension especially. I liked the the way the 500 revs, and I am not into a bunch of mods other than a muffler (which I already have from my 04), drop in filter, CDI box mabey. I know the 660 was pretty corked but w/mods could do much better, but as I said wasnt near the bike I thought the pred was out of the box. The 700 seems like a whole new animal vs the 660, just wondering if it is as close or better out of the box than the Pred this time. Not into endless mods. Difficult for me to find a dealer here that will let me ride one, and I dont know anybody who has one yet, so relying on this forum for now. Thanks again for the input. Going to have to decide soon, difficult being w/o a quad for so long.......
Posted by: predtldrider
Thanks. I agree. Looks like Yamaha did a great job improving the Raptor, and if I was starting fresh real good chance I may go that way. As it is, I still have the sand tires/wheels from my old Pred, which will fit the new, and PP canister & air filter, so probably makes more sense to stick with the Pred. I was happy with it, I think out of the box the Pred is hard to beat, especially suspension wise. Again, certainly appears new Raptor is quite a bike, but I havent seen enough to change my mind. I dont care which one is a quad length or two faster in a drag or 1 or 2 MPH faster top end. Looking for all around ride in a powerful bike. Think I'll take the money I save btwn Pred and Raptor sales price and get an extended swingarm so I can keep the front end down when climbing those big dunes. So. thanks to everybody for their mostly non-biased input. Predator it is!
Posted by: bberck
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Originally posted by: GE4x4
Just to clerify, when both the Pred and Raptor 700 are set up the same, tires and all, the Raptor weighs more then the Pred.
Predator weighs 415 stock
Raptor 700 weighs 396 stock
so if have same mods how would the rappy weigh more ?
Posted by: bberck
This is a endless argument but I will way in anyway lol
Raced my buddies predator this weekend. My Raptor 700 is all stock and my buddies predator just has a pipe and been jetted. We ran about 15 times, neither of us are racers so here are the scenarios for what its worth.
The run was about 100 yards or so but just a guess
If he got the jump on the start he would beat me but I would be gaining back on him hard at the end so say if it was 100 yards if we would of had 150 yards I would of passed him back.
If I got the jump I would beat him by several quad lengths and be pulling away at end.
If we seemed to get a even start it was pretty even at first but half way through id start to pull away.
So from what I saw stock to stock the 700 Raptor is faster especially in a longer race but I can easly see a experienced racer on a Predator out running a 700 in a short race.
In the end I dont really care which is faster we are trail riders but just thought Id add my experience.
Posted by: Jag8723
Bolt-on Pred. vs. Bolt-on 700
the predator is fast but it's not the fastest...maybe you are lucky and have a predator that is an exception. my friend has one and both are great but the 700 has a great ride, efi, and a lot of power and has new technology.
Posted by: Hoopie
I own the 05 pred LE so I may be a little biased but I was at the dealer yesterday and was looking at the raptor 700 (I am a yamaha fan because I own a R1) and it was sitting next to the tld pred. Just by looking at the two its obvious the pred has way more high end features than the raptor. I would chose the pred le for the dunes and it doesnt need any aftermarkets for it besides a drop in filter and some extra disks on the exhaust and your making 42 to 44 rwhp. By the way the Outlaw is nothing like the pred. the only thing it shares is the engine and transmision.
Posted by: Hoopie
How can the z450 be the best quad out when no one even seen one yet? To much marketing hype. I will wait and see to drive it before i make judgement. The same thing was said about the yzf450 that came out. After riding the pred, z400, and honda 450r and yzf450 the yamaha would be last on my list. Its only good in mx form the rest the honda or pred are way better. Not to mention the least comfortable. Back to ? of topic, if your not into putting a lot of mods you cant beat the pred tld for woods or LE in more open area for what you get stock.
Posted by: RustENutz
Jeez...is this math class or an atv discussion board? Anyways, I just made this decision and I picked the Predator. I ride the dunes, fast paced play racing across the dunes, not sit at a dune hill and drag race all day. So it came down more to better suspension, handling, and comfort. The Pred just feels better to me. As far as motors, yes stock for stock the Raptor will win. But it's closer than you think. The Raptor is a torque monster and you have to know how to drag race it. Rev it out and the Pred will stay with it, but short shift and use the torque and you'll pull away. The Pred will always win when racing on the top ends, it's a dual overhead cam versus the raptors single. The pred revs higher, faster and makes it's power up top. The biggest thing holding back the Pred in power is the intake design, it simply doesn't get enough air! A simple clamp on K&N with some jetting and then you have an even closer drag race but a much better all around racing bike!
What made me decide on the Pred Troy Lee is that it has the BEST suspension of any other bike out there PERIOD! On top of that is has the best handling...in my opinion. It handles much different than Raptors but I prefer it. Also, Pred has much nicer components...SS brake lines, again shocks, Douglas wheels, ect... And the biggest deciding factor was the price. The best price I could find locally was $7000 on the Raptor. I got my new 06' Pred for $4900. So I'll be able to put some of that extra money into the Pred's motor to keep me more than happy! Hope this helps anyone.
Posted by: RustENutz
Then what would we argue about?? It's like high school sports...rivalries are fun!
Posted by: RustENutz
You're an idiot! Raptors suck, I smoked one the other weekend on my ATC90 with the 110 bore kit!
Posted by: SVTPETE
Dude i dont even know what you just said but first through fourth gear a tld will beat a regular preddy due to quicker gear ratios. About all the other stuff just remember "its not a matter of air speed velocity, its a matter of weight ratios" Coconuts anyone?
Posted by: SVTPETE
all i am saying is that same engine, same horsepower, quicker ratio's will accelerate you quicker. Thats a fact.
Posted by: strokezilla
Rappy 700
Posted by: Cutfoot
Went riding the other eve with a friend who has the 700. I ride a 05' Pred TLD, and it was pretty even in short distance but give him a little room and he'd pass me. Once again, rider skill plays the largest part. I do believe Yamaha gives a smoother ride. Both of our machines pretty much stock.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
I looked at the pred, outlaw 525 and rappy 700 and ended up with the rappy. It made the most power and looked to be the better built bike of the 3. I am very happy with it so far.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
I would line up with you in a heartbeat kwik. A 230lb rider on a preddy isnt going to touch a 145 pound rider on a rappy 700 period.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
I know an easier way to shut you up... if your preddy is so bad assed why not line up with the drag bike in my sig?? You would be picking sand out of your teeth for a month..
Posted by: kfxandahemi
Maybe the raptor you race all the time has a bad rider... racing is 10% bike and 90%
Posted by: kfxandahemi
Oh and dont call me out saying Ive got my panites in a bunch. If you think your so fast, bring it to KOD in Colorado this year. I know its a long drive, but shut up or show up. Ill be there with my slow quad (raptor) and my shee. Look me up if you got anything dangling.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
This is getting good.... LOL I dont care who wins, I just want to see you two duke it out. LOL On another note, that would be cool as heck to have two ATVs on Pinks, thats about the only thing I havent seen on there. Anyway set it up fellas, I want to watch.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
Im all for this pinks thing.... Why dont both of you just run bone stock vs. bone stock? Thats what the arguement was about in the first place. On pinks you can both check each others stuff out anyway, so get it on! Get it set up and let everybody know when the race is...
Posted by: kfxandahemi
By lenghts he means no head starts... Heads up races only...
Best of luck to both of you. I cant wait!
Posted by: kfxandahemi
Pinks starts with an arm drop. Im pumped and Im not racing LOL I really hope you guys get a chance to line up. Should be entertaining to say the least.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
theres nothing wrong with that. If I had a choice between my shee or your preddy, I would take the shee.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
Did you read the other posts? My point is he said he will send raptor13 home with nothing but his banshee, I said theres nothing wrong with. He would still have the better quad left....
Posted by: kfxandahemi
I agree completley about the displacement. It never has meant much. Look at banshees, my shee is a 421 and makes my 700r look like its in reverse. Four strokes are different, but still, engine size means nothing. It comes down to who is the better rider 90% of the time.
Posted by: kfxandahemi
Yeah what happened to that deal... i was looking forward to it. GET ON IT FELLAS!!!
Posted by: kfxandahemi
what do you have planned for it? There is a local guy with a pred that desert races it, and hes got it pretty hopped up. Well he did, I think he traded it for a 450r last week, but it was a cool bike when he had it...
Posted by: kfxandahemi
Sounds cool... always fun modding stuff.
Posted by: Raptor700R
700R all the the way i love mine and u cant go wrong with the power,speed,handling of this thing its like a pimp on wheels. =)
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: 1bad450r
The 660 did and does own the Predator. That is purely based on all the races I have seen between the 2. Its not like Yamaha went and decided to build a 700 just to show the Predator up.
Well, not according to this thread. It's old and just got revitalized somehow.
I agree with you on the 700 though. Very nice machine and innovative, and like you said, I don't think Yamaha R&D was sitting around designing it based on how to beat a Predator.
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: 1bad450r
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Originally posted by: Webopper
Well, not according to this thread. It's old and just got revitalized somehow.
I agree with you on the 700 though. Very nice machine and innovative, and like you said, I don't think Yamaha R&D was sitting around designing it based on how to beat a Predator.
Well that thread is just more he said/she said BS. I base everything I say here from personal experiance. Sorry, but its not my fault all the Predators I have seen were losing the race. And another thing, around here there is 1 Predator still running around. Everyone else got rid of theres for either a raptor or one of the 450's. Doesn't that kind of say something?
Apparently you didn't read the thread, or you and I have a different intrepretation on it. It had some folks on the saying the Raptor should own the Predator, not from any experience, just like you termed, he said/she said BS. The other folks (including the originator of the thread) were talking about how they weren't able to "own" Predators like everyone with no experience has told them they should. They were recommending mods to help beat Preds, including NOS, which is kind of sad when you think about it. Yea, hide the NOS bottle so when you beat him you can be all proud.
Now, when we look at this thread, isn't what you said just he said/she said to everyone else reading it? Who know's what your experiences are and the circumstances around them? Only you do. That's why I tend to lend no credence to what you say you saw, but allot to Raptor owners saying they need NOS to beat a Predator.
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: 1bad450r
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Originally posted by: Webopper
Apparently you didn't read the thread, or you and I have a different intrepretation on it. It had some folks on the saying the Raptor should own the Predator, not from any experience, just like you termed, he said/she said BS. The other folks (including the originator of the thread) were talking about how they weren't able to "own" Predators like everyone with no experience has told them they should. They were recommending mods to help beat Preds, including NOS, which is kind of sad when you think about it. Yea, hide the NOS bottle so when you beat him you can be all proud.
Now, when we look at this thread, isn't what you said just he said/she said to everyone else reading it? Who know's what your experiences are and the circumstances around them? Only you do. That's why I tend to lend no credence to what you say you saw, but allot to Raptor owners saying they need NOS to beat a Predator.
No I dont think I was reading anything wrong. It is he said/she said BS. Looks to me like the NOS comment is just sarcasm. You do have one point, what I say I did or saw could also be considered he said she said BS. However I find my opinions to be alittle less bias consindering that I dont own either bike and quit frankley wouldnt really consider either one when about to spend 7 or 8 grand. I honestly dont care which bike would win the race, but have to believe what I have seen with my own eyes and have done myself.
Your points are well taken. It should also be noted that though I own a Predator, I didn't offer any opinion on who "owns" who. Reason being, I don't have the experiences to back it up. Sounds like, much like you, I'm not going to just throw out there opinion without basing it on some experience. What it really sounds like is that I need to hit the dunes and garner up some of my own experiences.
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: 1bad450r
Definatly, do you ever hit any of the dunes in cali? I think a bunch of us from this site need to get together one of these weekends and have it out. When the day is over maybe we can all kick back and have a few brews.
LMAO...that would end all the he said/she said stuff for sure. As a matter of fact, there is a trip planned mid January with a bunch of people from the forums going to either Glamis or Gordons, or even both.
I'm hoping to make it down some time before that, but I'll be damned if I know when right now. Some riding and some beers sounds like a good idea to me...not at the same time of course, but you know...img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: MODADDY21
hey webopper
I have a 05 pred TLD I've been looking for an exhaust to put on it and can't really find one.
I have heard that white brothers made one specifically for the pred but i can't find it on the web What is the best one for the pred?
On the subjest of 700 or pred my friend just bought a 700 and we raced they are about equal the first time he had me out of the hole but i took him on top end the second time i tried to get him from the start but she came up on me and he won that one i have riden his and they are a lot a like unlike the 400EX that our other friend has which feels like a little kids toy compared to the 500 and 700.
The White Brother E-series is a very good pipe. Very versatile as you can add and remove the disks to "tune" your pipe a bit. They are getting harder to find, but you should be able to find it at most online dealers or local brick and mortar dealers. The Pure Polaris store still has them listed. I'm also hearing good things about the HMF slip-on.
Welcome to te forums by the way!!!
Posted by: Webopper
That link I posted has it. It says for an '03 and '04, but it's wrong. You would think Polaris would have that right??? Anyway, a slip-on pipe will work for any year Pred, that didn't change. If things would of changed, it would of been between '03 and '04. That's why I'm questioning the way they got that set up. Anyway, it will work, I slipped a stock '03 on my '05 LE and it fit fine. Also, you can try Nicholas Cycle or Rath Racing. They focus on Predator performance parts and will have the e-Series also, or at least know where to get it.
Brick and mortar I just mean your local dealership.
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: Scooter86
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Originally posted by: BryceGTX
You are assuming that the only thing you need to change is shocks and springs. If you have to change A-arms, shocks, swing arm, tires and wheels. You could easily gain the weight. Not to mention the huge expense.
Bryce
Just for giggles, I say that you don't need to replace the tires, wheels, a-arms, or swingarm. What exactly is wrong with these parts on the 700? The arms and swinger are the same units as the YFZ now, which are more than stout enough for trail riding and some occasional racing. My only beef with the stock radials is the sidewalls are susceptible to punctures. Traction wise they are close enough to Holeshots, maybe even closer to the stock Razrs most Preds come with. I think Preds are great, and if Polaris would have gotten off thier can and released the '05 model a few months earlier, that is what I would have been riding now. Let's face it though, Yamaha fixed the shortcomings of the previous generation Raptor, and gave it a stronger engine to boot. It is also a great quad, worthy of ownership.
You have to read the whole thread there Scoot...they were talking about if you were to set both the machines up the same -- a Pred and a 700 -- that would negate the weight difference. They were listing some of the components that might be considered upgrades on the Pred that the 700 doesn't currently have, but you don't have to change that stuff on the Raptor, and you're right, it will be just fine the way it is...
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: MenageAquad
Oh, and an update on the quad search...I've taken test rides on a Z, Pred, and 700 Raptor. Right now I'm leaning towards the Predator. I found a pretty sweet 05 Limited Edition that already has a White Bros. pipe on it from the factory. The Z was nice but it wasn't quite right for me. It would definitely need a pipe to wake it up a bit. I'm not sure what I think of the Raptor since I only got to drive it on pavement and not over 2nd gear. It's hard to convince myself that it's worth over $1000 more based on that short ride. Anybody have one they want to let me take on a real trail ride? hr>
Yea, it's not worth more. When you look at what that '05 Limited comes with, for about $100 more (Filter and Jet) you'll have a real screamer. You'd have to put about another $1000 (pipe, controller, filter, getting it programmed up, etc) into the Raptor to get it similarly modded. Not that the 700 are not good machines, they are, but not quite worth the extra money for me.
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: MenageAquad
I decided to get the Limited Edition Predator. I pick it up this weekend. Thanks for your help folks.
The hard part is gonna be working this week while I'm thinking about a new quad!
Congrats man...enjoy it.
Posted by: ROOOOST
First post so HI ALL !
I have a Polaris Scrambler 500 Tank (shreek!).... Im looking to upgrade to a more sport oriented bike and have also come to the some point as predtldrider, after a lot of research clearly the Predator or the Raptor700 are for me.
The Raptor is very very nice but from looking at the two bikes i think you get a lot more for your money with the Predator, just seems to me to be a much more complete package with more attention to detail. With the TLD version you get some nice shocks with fully adjustables on the front (the ones on the Raptor look cheep) also get the braided Brake lines and Chrome axle.
But then again the Raptor has probably more potential in other areas like the Composite Alloy frame, EFI, more CC's with less weight so im at a loss as to what to do.
Think i'll keep my Scrambler Tank for another month untill some more ride reviews have been done on the Rappy, if anyone has ridden both the Predator and Raptor 700 please post up your thoughts.
Cheers
Posted by: ROOOOST
Hmmm, we all know a stock 700R will take a stock Predator, it has more power, more torque and less weight. Both bike have their strengths and weaknesses but given identical tyres and riders it's quite obvious which bike would win a drag race.
Posted by: MrCrazyfoot
In Stock form The Raptor 700 is undisputedly more powerfull and probably handles better, but if you are willing to spend a little cash, and do some research on how to tune the motor, the Predator should easily beat the Raptor 700.
Of course Im a Suzuki man so I would choose a Z400, or Z450 over both of those any day.
Posted by: MrCrazyfoot
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Originally posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
The Z-450 is surpose to be an awesome race bike. I wonder if it will be better than the YFZ.
I am about 99% sure the Z 450 will be better than both the yfz and 450 R. The reason I say that:
The chassis and suspension set up will be miles ahead of the competition, that is a known fact because Doug Gust has already ridden it and says the suspension is better than most high dollar aftermarket suspension, much less the competitions suspension. The A-arms will be wider than what most people bolt on. Basically you will be getting a fully race ready quad off of the show room floor. Although the suspension and chassis is already guarented to be better than a yfz's, or 450 R, there has not yet been any proof of the motor being faster, but I doubt suzuki will let us down. Chances are the Z 450 will dominate in every aspect.
And as proof that I am not just making up a load of bull, every thing I said can be backed by an article in the latest edition of QUAD magizine, Page 24 in the August Premiere Issue, also the July issue of Dirt Wheels has a small article on the Z 450.
Posted by: JRThibber
go with the predator, it has way better handling than the raptor and has plenty of power also. I rode a raptor 700 and it was a wicked machine but i still think the predator has it in all around performance
Posted by: JRThibber
predator man... check out the 06 they are bad a$$
Posted by: sikraptor700
dude, the raptor 700 will kill a pred, dont believe me go drag one, and wait till some more mag tests come out
Posted by: Torbinx
I would go with the TLD pred...Also the warranty on the pred seems better then the yamaha. After glancing over polaris's website the pred comes with a limited life time axle warranty shuold you ever bend or break it. I dont know much about the raptors warranty. As far as the engine on the rappy 700 its got more diffs then similiarities to the 660r such as 4 valves not 5, efi, wider, lower, more rear suspension, diff swingarm, new frame, smaller gas tank. As for speed and accel I think the pred and raptor would be really close. For the suggested msrp of the tld pred being $500 U.S cheaper than the 700r you can get a decent full exhaust system for your pred.
Posted by: Torbinx
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Originally posted by: yoshz
By the way, you can increase the revs on the Raptor by getting an aftermarket CDI.
You dont think that yamaha engineers wouldve left the rpms the same or increased the rpms on the raptor 700r if it didnt drastically affect reliability etc. I believe it was lowered 500rpms to sustain engine stability and reliability.
Posted by: 1bad450r
The Rappy 700 can and will walk away from a Preddy stock to stock. I was never beaten by a Preddy on my cousins Rappy 660 when that thing was stock and some of those Preddy's were piped with intake. No disrespect Preddy guys, there are some nice and fast ones out there but stock to stock I don't see the Preddy getting out ahead of the new Rappy.
Posted by: 1bad450r
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Originally posted by: Bradracer18
1bad........I understand you have beaten some.......but trust me, many guys who ride them can't ride....and can't work on them!!!! Stock, mine could beat a rappy(just basically dead even)......and piped, jetted, and drop in filter(not that great)......I could run even with the yfz's........now.......I don't have trouble with either.....
Don't get me wrong here Brad, I'm not really saying that the preddy is slow. I'm just saying from personal experiance I haven't had any problems with them. I actually have beatin a few of them on my buddy's 400ex. I know thats hard to believe, I had a hard time believing it myself at the finish line but I did it. Now I will admit, for me to beat them on that bike they must have been HORRIBLE riders. Once again, I'm not saying that they are bad, I just haven't personally had any problems racing them. I'm sure they have alot of potential, I checked out the site you posted in the other thread and saw some nice and impressive Preddy's. I'd love to see one run next to me or beat me. You say yours is decently quick so if you are ever in the central cali area let me know, I wouldn't mind running a couple a drags with you. Maybe we can trade off for a couple passes too.
Posted by: 1bad450r
Sweet, sounds like a plan if you ever get down here. You got any pics or vids of your bike? I just don't understand some people these days, all these threads about which bike is faster and bla bla bla. Who cares!? If you want something to go fast in a straight line and thats it then go buy an old shee and beef that thing up. I just personally wasn't thinking about that when I bought my 450r. I was thinking about looks, quality, handling and comfort and it just happened to fit me best. I kind of wished I would have held off alittle longer and got the 06 but o-well. Its a great bike to ride for me and thats all the matters.
Posted by: 1bad450r
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Originally posted by: mdaddy
alright 1badwhatever finnally admits he is a grandpa... good for you palhr>
Yeah and what were you lookin for when you bought your warrior!? LOL!! Good purchase there you jackass. Go ride your rust bucket around, turd!
Posted by: 1bad450r
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Originally posted by: Bradracer18
I agree......that is what I was looking for......I ride/race more xc......and some mx......so I don't really care about drag racing. I do think it is more fun to build something that no one thinks is worth a crap.....to end up getting respect and even beating some of the better drag quads.......that is another reason I chose the pred.....is it is underrated....and I like to mess with stuff. Its great for the trails....
well....off to bed I think......
Yeah I know what you mean about building something that no one thinks is worth a crap. The trikes around here are getting pretty hard to come by, which is why I'm doing my little 500 swap. That should turn some heads at the strip.
Posted by: 1bad450r
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Originally posted by: YFZ660R
If the 660r owned the Predator, the 700R is going to tear it up!
If the 660 RAPTOR owned the Predator They wouldn't need to make the 700R. Neccessity is the Mother of invention hence the 700R
The 660 did and does own the Predator. That is purely based on all the races I have seen between the 2. Its not like Yamaha went and decided to build a 700 just to show the Predator up.
Posted by: 1bad450r
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The 660 did and does own the Predator. That is purely based on all the races I have seen between the 2. Its not like Yamaha went and decided to build a 700 just to show the Predator up.
Well, not according to this thread. It's old and just got revitalized somehow.
I agree with you on the 700 though. Very nice machine and innovative, and like you said, I don't think Yamaha R&D was sitting around designing it based on how to beat a Predator.
Well that thread is just more he said/she said BS. I base everything I say here from personal experiance. Sorry, but its not my fault all the Predators I have seen were losing the race. And another thing, around here there is 1 Predator still running around. Everyone else got rid of theres for either a raptor or one of the 450's. Doesn't that kind of say something?
Posted by: 1bad450r
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Well, not according to this thread. It's old and just got revitalized somehow.
I agree with you on the 700 though. Very nice machine and innovative, and like you said, I don't think Yamaha R&D was sitting around designing it based on how to beat a Predator.
Well that thread is just more he said/she said BS. I base everything I say here from personal experiance. Sorry, but its not my fault all the Predators I have seen were losing the race. And another thing, around here there is 1 Predator still running around. Everyone else got rid of theres for either a raptor or one of the 450's. Doesn't that kind of say something?
Apparently you didn't read the thread, or you and I have a different intrepretation on it. It had some folks on the saying the Raptor should own the Predator, not from any experience, just like you termed, he said/she said BS. The other folks (including the originator of the thread) were talking about how they weren't able to "own" Predators like everyone with no experience has told them they should. They were recommending mods to help beat Preds, including NOS, which is kind of sad when you think about it. Yea, hide the NOS bottle so when you beat him you can be all proud.
Now, when we look at this thread, isn't what you said just he said/she said to everyone else reading it? Who know's what your experiences are and the circumstances around them? Only you do. That's why I tend to lend no credence to what you say you saw, but allot to Raptor owners saying they need NOS to beat a Predator.
No I dont think I was reading anything wrong. It is he said/she said BS. Looks to me like the NOS comment is just sarcasm. You do have one point, what I say I did or saw could also be considered he said she said BS. However I find my opinions to be alittle less bias consindering that I dont own either bike and quit frankley wouldnt really consider either one when about to spend 7 or 8 grand. I honestly dont care which bike would win the race, but have to believe what I have seen with my own eyes and have done myself.
Posted by: 1bad450r
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Apparently you didn't read the thread, or you and I have a different intrepretation on it. It had some folks on the saying the Raptor should own the Predator, not from any experience, just like you termed, he said/she said BS. The other folks (including the originator of the thread) were talking about how they weren't able to "own" Predators like everyone with no experience has told them they should. They were recommending mods to help beat Preds, including NOS, which is kind of sad when you think about it. Yea, hide the NOS bottle so when you beat him you can be all proud.
Now, when we look at this thread, isn't what you said just he said/she said to everyone else reading it? Who know's what your experiences are and the circumstances around them? Only you do. That's why I tend to lend no credence to what you say you saw, but allot to Raptor owners saying they need NOS to beat a Predator.
No I dont think I was reading anything wrong. It is he said/she said BS. Looks to me like the NOS comment is just sarcasm. You do have one point, what I say I did or saw could also be considered he said she said BS. However I find my opinions to be alittle less bias consindering that I dont own either bike and quit frankley wouldnt really consider either one when about to spend 7 or 8 grand. I honestly dont care which bike would win the race, but have to believe what I have seen with my own eyes and have done myself.
Your points are well taken. It should also be noted that though I own a Predator, I didn't offer any opinion on who "owns" who. Reason being, I don't have the experiences to back it up. Sounds like, much like you, I'm not going to just throw out there opinion without basing it on some experience. What it really sounds like is that I need to hit the dunes and garner up some of my own experiences. hr>
Definatly, do you ever hit any of the dunes in cali? I think a bunch of us from this site need to get together one of these weekends and have it out. When the day is over maybe we can all kick back and have a few brews.
Posted by: 1bad450r
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Definatly, do you ever hit any of the dunes in cali? I think a bunch of us from this site need to get together one of these weekends and have it out. When the day is over maybe we can all kick back and have a few brews.
LMAO...that would end all the he said/she said stuff for sure. As a matter of fact, there is a trip planned mid January with a bunch of people from the forums going to either Glamis or Gordons, or even both.
I'm hoping to make it down some time before that, but I'll be damned if I know when right now. Some riding and some beers sounds like a good idea to me...not at the same time of course, but you know...img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
Sounds sweet, let me know if you find anything out about that, I might just have to show up to that..
Posted by: yoshz
I have a Raptor 660 (stock) and I rode the predator briefly across a bumpy flat and up sand mountain (either an '03 or '04). While it had good power (seemed similar to the Raptor), the suspension was very stiff. I know they did some upgrades to the Pred but from everything I have read, the new Raptor 700 handles much much better than the 660. It is also wider and has a longer wheelbase and lower seat height. If the 660 and pred are pretty close and the 700 has more displacement AND EFI, and handles better seems like a no brainer to me - no jetting, tons of torque, proven engine (the engine has been used in europe for a year or two but I can't remember where I read that). Also, I believe the Raptor has a wider power band than the Pred which means less shifting. By the way, you can increase the revs on the Raptor by getting an aftermarket CDI.
Posted by: hellrazor66689
ok well the raptor 700r hasnt came out yet.... but i would love to try it out!!!!!
Posted by: mdaddy
alright 1badwhatever finnally admits he is a grandpa... good for you pal
Posted by: Mabols
First off, the Troy Lee Predator is not any faster than the stock Predator.....AT ALL. Also, the 700 raptor is still 660. Or maybe 680, but 20 cc wont make much of a difference. If the Troy Lee (just better suspension, and other things but no engine mods) beat the 660, then the TLD will beat the 700 aswell, because the 700 is still a 660. Anyways, even if the 700 WAS a 700, the LE predator (exhasut adds about 5hp) would beat it.
Posted by: 700raptor
hahaha... i just smoked a predator.... and im damn near stock.... he had full exhaust jetted and intake.. i have slip on and drop in filter
Posted by: 700raptor
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700raptor: Did you have to buy an aftermarket EFI kit to go along w/ your slip on pipe? I had heard that the EFI only adjusts for atmospheric pressure changes, not performance mods.
yes i oredered it about a week after i got my exhaust because it was kinda lean but it definetly adjust to feel for the new exhaust..... yeah the new efi dont adjust the fuel pressure for new exhaust.... it only adjust for where your at like the pressure in the air or somethin
Posted by: predman05
i own a pred 05 LE and i have to say its a great bike. I ride at the dunes alot and im very pleased at the way my bike rides. i have raced alot of bike including the raptor 660 the bike raptor is fast but its not all that great. I have beat this kind of bike more then once so im shure the 700 cant be that much better but then again you never no.
ive sceen the 700 and the 06 pred and im much more impressed with the pred so id buy it if i was you
Posted by: MODADDY21
hey webopper
I have a 05 pred TLD I've been looking for an exhaust to put on it and can't really find one.
I have heard that white brothers made one specifically for the pred but i can't find it on the web What is the best one for the pred?
On the subjest of 700 or pred my friend just bought a 700 and we raced they are about equal the first time he had me out of the hole but i took him on top end the second time i tried to get him from the start but she came up on me and he won that one i have riden his and they are a lot a like unlike the 400EX that our other friend has which feels like a little kids toy compared to the 500 and 700.
Posted by: MODADDY21
I can't find an E-series for the pred 05 i have looked all over ? brick and mortar dealers?
Posted by: MODADDY21
does anyone know which is better the HMF Sport Series or the HMF Ballance Pro Series?
I can't decide
Posted by: Electrician
Hi I just recently bought a Predator. Looked at the Raptor 700,. nice bike for sure but the polaris just has the better suspension and out of the box is better all around. As for top speed a 700 better beat a 500 bike by more than just a quad or two, like they say there is no replacement for displacement! From what I've heard, well lots of different stories, the Predator is just as quick as the 700. Does top speed really matter, not to me it doesn't. Also I was racing my bro's Kfx400 just for giggles and comparison. If I would start out in first, a bitch since so much torque can't keep the front end down so I had to let the clutch out slower and feather the throttle, he would kill me out of the whole but by the end I would blow past him and end up around 6-7 bikes in front. I figured what the hell and launch in second. Man, what a diff! I would take him out of the hole and end up like 8-9 bikes in front. My bro raced a Raptor 660 from a 3rd gear roll and had him beat till 5th were the raptor would pull past him by 2 bikes. My bro's Kfx is jetted with a CAI box and K&n filter and with a full yosh titanium/carbon fiber exhaust. I thought that bike was fast. My bro rode the pred. out back on our homemade track and said that the Predator is just a killer bike compared to the kawi. Although the only thing that I would like to change about the Predator is the rear sprocket maybe take off one tooth. But for the tight woods and trailriding this thing is geared perfect!
With that said I would say to ride a new 06 TLD Predator and a new Raptor 700. Find the bike that suits you the best and that is most comfortable! Hp is not an issue here.
Posted by: Electrician
Predator>Rappy 700
Raced one three times, he was stock and mine was stock. Beat him by 2-3 bikes every time and started to pull away slowly on top end. Should the Rappy beat the Preddy, yes. No replacement for displacement! In this case a 499cc beats a 686cc, if I am correct on the cc's. LOL. Peace!
Posted by: Evasiveone
The Outlaw GE4x4 is referring to is the 525 Outlaw not the 500 Outlaw. Speed, handling and fit and finish are much better on the 525 than the 500.
Posted by: Evasiveone
That time slip and 2 videos are from "VelociRaptor" and he is not even close to stock on his 700.
He is running +1mm Wiseco 11:1 Piston Ported head, GYTR Full intake GYTR Full exhaust Dobeck TFi 15t sprocket. He is putting down some nice hp at around 55 to the rear with knobbies.
Posted by: Evasiveone
I have to agree with you there.
8.7 is going to take some $$$ to achieve for either the 700R or the Predator. If that Preddy is a factory freak and really does run 8.7 stock there is no way I would bring a quad to race it for pinks unless it has some serious mods.
Posted by: rappy700rider
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In a 1/8 th mi. drag stock vs stock ..my money is on the Predator.
i raced a predator and had enough time to turn around aftrer the 1/8 mile and he was just finishing so i would say i beat him by about 6 or 7 bike lengths
Posted by: rappy700rider
why would i have to do that im telling u i raced a stock 05 predator on my raptor i weigh 225 the guy was about my size and i beat him mabey i could try and find another predator and bring u video i mean i really dont know what to say besides raptors have more top end for sure and they are pretty close in bottom end power
Posted by: whitebrothers
id have to go with the raptor..my dad has one and those things r great for riding...there fast and have plenty of torque, i also like the predator but eveyrone knows the raptor has it beat. ride the rap and the polaris and choose for yourself
Posted by: SouthTexasHeat
Well hey buddy I would say go with the Raptor y do you want the same thing again And i also have the dirt wheels mag and it says that the raptor is a good bike 4 doing races and all but wasnt very good with the jumping stunts but i say go with the 700 Raptor.
Posted by: Richdaddye
Yeah the Polaris does have some nice stock brake cabels and shocks but it doesn't make up for the ride and power that the 700R has. I've got some ridding buddies that we go out to the dunes with and they have the Predator and the Z-450. I've got the 700R and I guess you've got to pick your favorite on ride but as for who can make it to the top first the 700R is by far a quicker ride. I like the Z-450 a lot though. It's really wide (Hardly fits on the trailor with the others) so it is a blast on the dunes but not as fast and rides a lot harder. My friends Z-450 was really fast and could keep up pretty good because he took the exhaust core out of the stock pipe. It's loud but made a big difference in power, so I took mine out too and removed the cap to the air filter box as well. I figure I can take the spark arrester off at the dunes. I would like to say that there is no compitition between the 3 different Quads but there is. I love to see how much more sand I can pound down my friends throats as we race to the top.
The Outlaw is a sweet ride as well. Not so good in the sand because with the independent rear suspension in the back you can burry that thing really far in the sand and it's a pain digging it out. But if you take that thing out to some harsh trails I am green with envy because it can go many places without getting high centered on a swing arm. The z-450 is the worst on harsh trails because the stock tires are tiny and we can't seem to find a rear swing arm guard for it yet.
Posted by: TLC
Predator vs 700 raptor? Isn,t the 700 Raptor the fastest sport ATV Yamaha makes? Polaris makes a 525 Outlaw that smokes there 500 Outlaw 500 vs 525 Outlaw why not compare top bike with top bike. Next thread will be "500 Scambler Vs 700 Raptor.
According to they owner reviews even the YFZ 450 will lose to the 525. http://www.powersportsnetwork.com/enthusiasts/review_list_vehicle.asp?veh=39329
Posted by: 88LT250Rman
I chose a predator because I think they make awesome power for a 500. I will buy any brand of atv's as long as it makes good power for its size. I decided there was no chance of me buying a 660 raptor because it is 160 CCs bigger and only makes 41 hp compared to the pred's 48. Even if the raptor 700 can beat the pred, it does not impress me AT ALL, because it's 200 CCs bigger and makes 47 hp compared to the pred's 48, (but might win since it's almost 20 lbs lighter).I say the predator is the way to go.
And PigDog, I raced my buddy's Z400 with my pred and I completely blew it away, a Z400 does not even compare with the predator. He took me off the line for a little bit, only because my tires are bald, once I get my razr's I'll smoke that Z even worse.
Posted by: 88LT250Rman
Golfljb, Yes, I am sure the raptor does probably have more low end grunt, but you must also keep in mind that the predator is harder to wheelie because of the anti-dive, anti-squat suspension.
I am not so sure about a ds 650 beating a pred, raptor13, they make .3 more HP, but weigh almost 500 lbs!(jeez and people say preds are heavy
And peak HP does mean a lot because if you drag race,(and I like to a lot) you will have your engine at maximum rpm, where your peak HP is, so it IS going to help to have high peak HP.
Posted by: 88LT250Rman
Raptor13, predators run pretty close in a drag with your 700, although I will admit a 700 raptor would probably win, that isn't even impressive because its way bigger. So if a pred is only good for young fellas, the same goes for your raptor, since a raptor hardly has any more power anyways.
Posted by: 88LT250Rman
Raptor13, a pred is not suited at all against a z400, I raced one last weekend, and I wouldn't even call it a race there is no comparison between them, the predator dominates.
A predator is definately comparable to a 700r, its just not quite as torquey, but it is still in the same class.
like you said, after 5900 rpm they are pretty close on hp, and just think..........how often in a drag race is your engine below 5900 rpm??but yeah, the pred does weigh more though so that hurts it a little.
im not trying to bash on the raptor, I think they are pretty sweet, just saying its comparable to a pred.
Posted by: 88LT250Rman
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I would sure hope a 700 would beat a 500 by a considerable amount.......but hey, what do I know........hr>
exactly what I was trying to say a while back in this thread
Posted by: nathanpri08
Polaris quality is better by far in my opinion than yamaha.But i still would pick a raptor 700 over a outlaw 525 or a pred.The raptor 700 is my next quad to join the stable with my DS.
Posted by: nathanpri08
calm down ladies both quads are very impressive.Ive ridden both and the raptor definetly has more punch but ive felt more comfortable on the pred around the trails.But thats just my expirience.
Posted by: nathanpri08
Boys and girls displacemeant doesnt mean a thing anymore.If that was the case those 450's wouldnt be that fast.It horsepower per cc.A 450 for example has more horsepower per cc than a raptor or a ds.Thats why there as quick or quicker.My ds or the raptor might be 653cc and 686cc but the 450cc are still as quick.Displacemeant means nothing anymore.
Posted by: nathanpri08
Or who ever has the most money.On a drag if oyu have a guy thats a perfect rider on a stock banshee and a guy thats average on a 421cc banshee then the guy with the 421cc banshee will get it.Unless he is real bad at shifting.But i agree to that rider matters alot.
Posted by: nathanpri08
Were still on this crap.Man.
Posted by: crazy1291
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Hey Raptor 13 (13 must be either your age or IQ) I'll meet you half way for free Raptor. Let me know if you are bringing them both because I' ll need to bring my big trailer. I would also love to shut you up on national television so if you have the kahonas BRING IT!
LMAO YOU ROCK MAN!!!!!
i'ld pick the pred just cuz its- wider, has more travel (and fox podiums all around on the tld- or some type of nice fox shox)
and i also like the plastics on the pred, and the pred's radiator has more protection from sticks and branches that want to poke holes in it.- the pred has also lost 10 lbs for 2007, and its the same price as a z400 and 400ex in the USA (isnt that 1k cheaper than the rappy?)
in canada anyways, the pred is either 1200 or 1300 or 1400, but im thinking 1400 (am i right? 8599 msrp on the pred 9999msrp on the rappy)
but the raptor is yet another 10lbs lighter than the pred, and it has efi (easier than jetting) and it is also only 44 and a bit inches tall versus the just about 46" on the pred.
all in all- preds my choice, its got, stability, long travel, good shocks, pointy front plastics, lower price tag. and it doesnt look like its in a chronic nose-dive- the rappy just speaks to me saying- jump me, brake, i want to nosedive- and yes, i have sat on one and watched someone drive it (it was so fun, there was also a yfz on display, and it had a dummy on it in a powersliding position, but i bent the middle finger up to make it look cooler- it was so funny, you should have seen all the little kids point and stare at the impolite dummy)
by the way: since the ds650 and pred have the same carbs, can they swap? if so, can you put an efi system for the ds650 on the pred, just helping out pred owners.
Posted by: crazy1291
from what i hear and read- they will be close stock for stock- all because of the raptors low compression- bump it up to 11:1 or 12:1 and its a whole different beast probably
Posted by: crazy1291
ya this thread is pointless- just google -----------predator 500 review--------------- you should get some articles from atvrider, offroad.com, and [not allowed to say] , or something like that......... they all say it has a bit more top end than a 660r but less low end torque- the 700r should be a bit more powerful lots of
those magazines also say that the pred gets the most goodies for the price- fox shox, heavy duty axle, razr tires, etc (well it really isnt that much,
BUT IS THE YFZ450 $1000 BETTER? SINCE IT DOES COST $1000 MORE IN THE USA) in canada, you can get an 07pred LE with the really nice suspension for 600$ less than an ltr, yfz, or trx450r, or raptor 700 (isnt it weird they all cost the exact same in canada?)
for $600 you can get some stuff that would let it hang with a 700r probably (pipe-450, filter-75, jet kit-75,) then you got youself a pretty nice quad- with suspension that (well it looks) is equal or better than a 700r LE
Posted by: crd00
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Originally posted by: YFZ660R
If the 660r owned the Predator, the 700R is going to tear it up!
The 660r owned the predator? Ive raced 660's that were almost 700's and I havent lost a race with my pred.
IMO I wouldnt post any "which is better" on any atv forum because most of the time the people who own the bike will say its the best. The only way I decide to buy a bike is to drive them, I wouldnt choose one because of someone elses opinion.
Posted by: raptor13
Got to give both quads thier due. As far as a drag race it has been settled the 700 wins hands down end of discussion. These predator guys are getting as bad as the 400ex crowd. Add pipe, filter and pc vs pred with similar mods and its still the same. I will say that the pred has far better susp. than the 700. Thats the only thing I would reccomend changing on the 700. The stock susp is way to soft for a larger rider 240+. Some of these Hp # for the preds are missleading, you need to look at the dyno charts for both bikes. The 700 has way more usable HP and Torque than the Pred. Hp peaks mean nothing. Ive seen quads dyno tuned with higher peak Hp lose to lower ones with better usable numbers. If you peak at 45 for instance but until that point your making way less than a quad that peaks at 42 with a broader power band will feed you your lunch. I swapped my alba set up to lrd, dynojet PC, and proflow and the quad made 53 peak hp but the power band is huge. Ive raced piped up preds, kfx700s, yfz450s and 450rs with my fat A$$ on the 700 and the only two that were close were the 450s. The pred is a good quad but not in the same class as the 700 or the 450s as far as power band. I personally like the preds, just not enough quad ther for me, if I couldnt have a 700 or 660 than my vote would be DS650.
Posted by: raptor13
Twink, I think youve been huffing gas or something, Preds are good bikes for young fellas such as your self but when the hair pops out you need a little more power. Plus if your running your quad on a 1/8 mile dragstrip your one of those douchbags that we have to sit and wait for as you run your pathetic times. Dragstrips are for cars and street bikes not basically stock quads. I wouldnt run my 700 on a dragstrip and cause people like me with legitamate drag cars to have to wait around and watch some hillbilly run a quad.
Posted by: raptor13
Twink, my mistake, I thought you were a pimpled up teen hormoned to the max. Now I know youre just a delusional old man, well not that old but definately the prior. Look, if you think the pred is faster than the 700 thats your opinion. We all have one. But opinion and fact are not the same. For instance FACT 700r makes more torque and hp than the pred up to 5900 rpm. After that its close but its too late. Fact the pred weighs more. Fact the preds gearing is lower than the raptor, if the same the raptor stock would be harder to ride. Fact the pred is an overachiever but not in the same class as the raptor=put in equal com ratio piston in the raptor and its massively stronger than the pred, Fact the pred uses a fugi engine not ktm as some have stated. Fact the preds track record of dependability is not as good as the 660r raptor. Now, opinion or not if you have a friend in or around NC Ill take you up on your race and will bet quad for quad if you like. My brother needs another beater to abuse and leave in the woods, I think a pred would do nicely.
Reminder- I have clearly stated that I think the predator is a decent quad, I even like parts about it. But its more suited against the z400, 450r, etc. Which given a choice and yamaha wasnt an option I may have to go with the pred. Definatly over suzuki junk. I know this will start a whole new arena for a SH!T storm but what else do we have to argue about.
Posted by: raptor13
Twink, your a hoot. I saw the video of your pred, it doesnt count when its in the BACK of the truck. You dingdong. I wish you were closer to NC so that we could line them up, acually I wouldnt need the 700, I really dont think you could handle the 660 stocker. I raced one of your so called speed pods yesterday at a local track with the 660 and he ate dirt every lap. You are giving predator owners a bad name being this nutty. Maybe you should stick to racing skateboards or bicycles like you refered to.
Posted by: raptor13
Come on twinkie baby, put your stock pred up for grabs. Ill wager the 700 but I think youll have a better shot with the 660 stocker. The 700 has mild mods and I know it will embarrass you. Heck lets call PINKS and see if theyll set it up, that way at least I will get something nice for stomping your pre-tender- a Napa tool box, god knows its worth more than your 4 wheel bucket. Be carefull, Reality bites and it rides a YAMI
Posted by: raptor13
OK Twink, Ill be willing to set it up with pinks here in NC, Thier based in Charlotte. I think Atlanta would be would be about half way for me and half way from the sewers. Just give me some info so they can contact you and its on. I think you may have stepped into a pattie. I will bring the 700 but will probably race the 660 because it is dead stock and I dont think youll beat it. Now if you want to mod it to the balls Ill bring the Banshee since you have also dropped that load on here as well. Whats a pretend-ator worth these days anyway maybe Ill sell it back to you. If pinks is to much for you or they laugh us off the line, come to the hatfield trails and race me for titles, doesnt matter to me may save you some humiliation. AND BY THE WAY ran the 700 at piedmont the other day 1/8 miler, lets just say the Rappys down in sewerville usa must have some bad ridders, just bring the pred and Ill show you what it runs. As far as the piffy little comment about age and IQ, come on you can do better than that.
Posted by: raptor13
Thats fine by me, the 05 660 is bone stock with bars and skids. the only thing done to it is silencer is removed. Ive raced sveral preds on that quad and have only lost once in about an 1/8 on dirt. That one loss came from an 18 yr old 150 lb. kid with several mods on an 05 pred. It does have a lowering kit on it which keeps the front end down, I think thats what gives the raps a bad name. Most inexperieinced riders wont gag em on the line because theyll come up. Not this little black duck. I will be running radials on the back Twink so better get some to make it fair. Dont want any excuses if we indeed get a chance. NOTE: AFTER RACE I WILL BE SELLING A PREDATOR ON EBAY FOR CHARITY- DONT WANT TO INFECT MY OTHER QUADS WITH A SICKENING DISEASE BY PARKING IT IN MY GARAGE, OR MAYBE ILL JUST BURN IT IN FRONT OF HIM. WELL TAKE VOTES ON THAT!!!!
Posted by: raptor13
Twink, let me get this straight- bring the 700, against your stock pred. You are definatly foolish or like to give things away. Your posted time on yr pred isnt close to what I ran on the 700, it wouldnt even be fair to the pred. I weigh 240 by the way so Im guessing you have a weight advantage but no problem there, Im doubting your abilities. Still I would rather put up the 660 for value sake, your not wagering the same amount pred vs 700. The pred is a sh!tbox I can pu here for around 3000.00 for an 05 or 3200 for a 06. The 700 is worth about 2000.00 more than your fuji powered tuna can. Nevertheless I will put it up just to send another rat back to the sewers. I contacted rich at PINKS via email. Well have to see what he says about it. If we can race at ATL or somewhere in between thats fine but I will not drive 1200 miles to prove a point, that would only prove another.
And another thing- I will not put the 700 back stock way too much work, I will race you on my brothers bone stock 700 and put mine up for the wager. That way you cant cry about a pipe, intake, and PC.
Posted by: raptor13
AND NO LENGTHS PANSIE< RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG
Posted by: raptor13
In response, I am going to race him on a stock 700r. I am highly doubting his claimed times and abilities. I hope pinks picks us up. It will be funny to see anyway. To many dingdongs on here sometimes. Guess Ill sell my mustang and get a predator for the dragstrip. The mustang runs 6.0 in the 1/8 but if a stock pred runs 8.7s just think what it would do with some serious mods, 5s maybe?
Posted by: raptor13
Twink, as soon as I here from rich at pinks Ill call you, I still think your a pimpled up teen because of your odd understanding of dragstrips and times and this other pred rider now has too be about 14 yrs old. Plus your corvette must be a turd with those times. As far as your posted times, my freind has a 06 pred, with a high comp kit, full exhaust, filter, lowered, etc. with dirt track radials. He has run this thing at least 20 times at piedmont in greensboro and the best it will do is 9.08 at 72 mph. He weighs 230. Your times are either BS or typos. I cant wait to light that pig up after you lose.
Posted by: kwiknik2
With a 225 lbs rider I can run a 8.7 1/8th on a stock 06 predator. My 130 lbs nephew with his piped/jetted 06yfz trade wins with me. His 230lbs dad runs 9.2 and can't touch me on mines. With that being said I have yet to see a stock 700 raptor run a sub let alone an 8.7. I only wish i could race you raptor 13.
Posted by: kwiknik2
It is easy to talk poo when you're 1000 mi away. I'll just have to post a vid on the spanking of a Raptor my next Friday night at the track.
Posted by: kwiknik2
I am no fool. I am not saying it is the fastest thing in world,only that it is the quickest stock sport quad i've seen. The numbers don't lie and neither will I.
Posted by: kwiknik2
If ignorance is bliss raptor 13 must be the happiest person alive. Iam 40years old and been racing cars,trucks,lawnmowers,bicycles,skateboards,boats,waverunners,quads ( because of my competative nature I guess)and whatever else I feel like. I presently have 4 quad and a 66 conv. corvette among other things. I race my Pred in the 1/8th asphalt and the 300 sand/dirt because it handles the abuse and is cheeper to run. (Sure don't care to tear up the Vette weekly) Don't assume I am some hillbilly that only has 1 quad to race because like maqny on here I have spent over 20 grand on them but with a family I would rather have it in 4 quads we can all ride anytime than 1 only I can ride sometimes.
Posted by: kwiknik2
Also raptor 13 my Pred is quicker in the than most performance cars and some of the banshee (that run 1/8th asphalt are quicker than most 10 sec drag cars.
Posted by: kwiknik2
Raptor 13 why don't you just go to the nearest drag strip and run a 8.8 1/8th. What Iam saying is fact and not opinion with the theory proven every time I run a 700r at State capitol raceway on Fridays. If you can check out their website and go under results you will get to see my time ran. As for being delousional you should look in the mirror. This thread is pure entertainment because watching you and kfx get your panties in a bunch (because a 500 Polaris that is cheaper will smoke a 700r that is over-rated) is hilarious.
Posted by: kwiknik2
It is more than 1 700r I often spank with guys i've been racing against for years. You're correct about the rider being a big part of racing, with that said if you weigh more than 200 lbs I will race any stock 700r for any amount or compesation.
Posted by: kwiknik2
I don't know what you were looking at clown but I never had a vid . You could not get either stock Raptor (700 or 660) to run a 8.7 1/8 th. You are right I also wish you were close , maybe you can make it to Planet sand in Gilbert La. and I'll promise you a spanking or 1,000 dollars aginst your stock raptors.
Posted by: kwiknik2
Hey Raptor 13 (13 must be either your age or IQ) I'll meet you half way for free Raptor. Let me know if you are bringing them both because I' ll need to bring my big trailer. I would also love to shut you up on national television so if you have the kahonas BRING IT!
Posted by: kwiknik2
I already have some radials so no problem. The Predator has adjustalble shocks so no need for a lowering kit and by the way how much do you weigh 13. I did cut my front fenders a little so don't cry foul when I blow yours off. If all the 700r has is pipe and programer you will need to bring it because my nephew wants one. Atlanta is about 8hrs drive for me and that would be fine for the showdown. I suggest an 1/8th mile asphalt to 2 out of 3 to minimize your excuses. At the end of the day I'm sure you will want to burn the Pred only it won't be yours to burn.
Posted by: kwiknik2
I just read your other post and you better bring all three. I know I can't outrun the Banshee with those mods but I will run any stock Yamaha with any 200lbs rider. If you bring all three how are you going to explain having only one when you return.
Posted by: kwiknik2
Perfect , I would hate for you to lose your brothers stock 700r. I don't know what all you've done to your 700r but I will race any stock Yami for pinks. I can be reached at 225-939-0294 whenever you're ready. I have a flexible work schedule and I am more than willing to take your Raptor. It is now obvious you are overcompensating for something but I'll give you the chance to put up or shut up.
Posted by: kwiknik2
What do mean lengths , will bring 1 stock 06 Predator.
Posted by: kwiknik2
Well hopefully we'll race at a dragstrip with a tree and I thought he may have meant an aftermarket swingarm(my bad)
Posted by: kwiknik2
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I can't wait until the doubters submit! The 06 Pred is no freak my 03 did 8.9 stock the 06 has a little more revs(from factory) and the radials on.
