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Posted by: maddog56
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This issue isnt as clean cut as some would like to think...
Posted by: maddog56
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
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This issue isnt as clean cut as some would like to think...
I knew you would find this thread. LOL BR>
How you been maddog56?
Thanks for the link, now i wont have to type it again. hr>
I had a feeling you might find it to once I posted.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
I've been pretty busy so I havent been on the site much lately. Doing well though thanks.
Not sure where I was going with the "higher moral plane" comment but I'll bet its not the only one of my posts that looks worse in hindsight.
Posted by: maddog56
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
I actually found it and waited until you posted. LOL BR>
Ive been spending more time here than ever. There are rumors floating around that Im going to become a moderator soon. BR>
I have made a few posts that Im regret too. hr>
Ahh, so you were waiting for me to take the bait.BR>
I'll bet the spin zone is just buzzing with activity.
I think you'd make a fine moderator, the site could use another one.
Posted by: maddog56
Thanks Doc, good to see you.
Powerstroke01, I used to be quite a bit into mountain biking. I even have an expensive diamondback bike sitting in the garage covered in dust to prove it. I just see those guys going down mountain sides doing 40-60mph on steep rocky slopes and I realized it wasnt the thing for me. I still enjoy a bike ride, but havent done it in a while. As for hiking, well thats what I do when the quad runs out of gas.BR>
Since the post of the thread I earlier linked to I have lost my camelback up North, but only after it had sprung a leak. The wally world warehouse has jansport ones for 15-20 bucks so I'll probably pick one of those up to replace it simply as convenience. If I found another deal on a CB, I'd get it. Just dont anyone start posting crap about Jansport and I'll be ok.
Posted by: reconranger
As a lifetime outdoorsman (backpacker, hiker, trail runner, and ATVer), I have personally had to do a lot of research when deciding who I want to give my partonage. For example, I no longer subscribe to either Backpacker or Outside magazine (or their advertisers!), because of their left-wing political orientation. (I still check out their technical reviews, but I do it standing in the isle of the grocery store!)
Two other companies in particular that are in bed with the ECO's are Leatherman (multitools) and Columbia Sportswear. All the specialized sportswear companies that cater to backpackers and hikers, have at least some involvement as well. Most are big time ECO supporters. And REI is right in there along with the worst of them.
But, it doesn't do any good however to just get mad and/or boycot their products. YOU HAVE TO CONTACT THEM AND TELL THEM WHY YOU ARE DOING IT! Also point out that you are posting their names in places like this forum, which has thousands of readers worldwide!
And when I get a Sierra Club application in the mail (because they use Backpackers mailing list!), I stuff the return envelope full of Blue Ribon Coalition, AMA, and ATVA applications, etc., and send it back so the Sierra Club has to pick up the postage.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
I've always thought that CamelBaks were overpriced. I picked up one by Outdoors Products.
Posted by: powerstroke01
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Originally posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
I've always thought that CamelBaks were overpriced. I picked up one by Outdoors Products.
I love camelbaks.. Got 2 of em in the house.
Im also a moutainbiker and a hiker..
*runs from the haters*
Posted by: powerstroke01
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Originally posted by: maddog56
Thanks Doc, good to see you.
Powerstroke01, I used to be quite a bit into mountain biking. I even have an expensive diamondback bike sitting in the garage covered in dust to prove it. I just see those guys going down mountain sides doing 40-60mph on steep rocky slopes and I realized it wasnt the thing for me. I still enjoy a bike ride, but havent done it in a while. As for hiking, well thats what I do when the quad runs out of gas.BR>
Since the post of the thread I earlier linked to I have lost my camelback up North, but only after it had sprung a leak. The wally world warehouse has jansport ones for 15-20 bucks so I'll probably pick one of those up to replace it simply as convenience. If I found another deal on a CB, I'd get it. Just dont anyone start posting crap about Jansport and I'll be ok.hr>
Ive fallen out of the MB sport a little bit as well. I havent really ridden in 4 years. I too have an expencive bike, a Gary Fisher, sittin in the garage.
I mostly did Cross Country. Im not realy into Down Hill as i REALLY dont want to end up with broken bones at the end of the day. lol
Posted by: powerstroke01
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
Just dont anyone start posting crap about Jansport and I'll be ok.hr>
I know they make good back pack for school. Life time guarantee I believe. hr>
I never had a Jansport in school.
Posted by: 13inc
The funny thing about the CAMELBAK article is that it talks about boycotting the use of them and so forth but,at the top the page there are ads for CAMELBAK!
Posted by: Doctorturbo
Hey Dog, long time no see. I miss your common sence posts.
Posted by: ss97
Just think for ONE second:
Would it not make sense to people from Camelback and Columbia etc... to have a vested interest in these organizations?
If I was on the on the Columbia BOG I would certainly want to get someone on the inside so my customers have a voice in anything they get behind. Wouldn't you? And if donating to a cause that was not hurting your interest was called for you do it.
You people are missing the bigger picture. Just like any system of checks and balances you need opposing views and interests to keep a level playing field in any organization.
What sense would it make for these outdoor companies to keep ties with people who want to potentially hurt their pockets? It would make sense in to have a contact who is always aware of what they are planning to do so their customers would have a voice.
Before you boycott do some research and learn exactly what role these said companies are playing. Don't just assume the worst when the exact opposite may be true. Just think about it realistically, why would Camelback want to lose the vast majority of their customers?
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
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This issue isnt as clean cut as some would like to think...
I knew you would find this thread. LOL BR>
How you been maddog56?
Thanks for the link, now i wont have to type it again.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
I had a feeling you might find it to once I posted.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
I've been pretty busy so I havent been on the site much lately. Doing well though thanks.
Not sure where I was going with the "higher moral plane" comment but I'll bet its not the only one of my posts that looks worse in hindsight.
I actually found it and waited until you posted. LOL BR>
Ive been spending more time here than ever. There are rumors floating around that Im going to become a moderator soon. BR>
I have made a few posts that Im regret too.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
Ahh, so you were waiting for me to take the bait.BR>
I'll bet the spin zone is just buzzing with activity.
I think you'd make a fine moderator, the site could use another one.
Absolutely. BR>
Yes it is.
Thanks maddog.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: ss97
Just think for ONE second:
Would it not make sense to people from Camelback and Columbia etc... to have a vested interest in these organizations?
If I was on the on the Columbia BOG I would certainly want to get someone on the inside so my customers have a voice in anything they get behind. Wouldn't you? And if donating to a cause that was not hurting your interest was called for you do it.
You people are missing the bigger picture. Just like any system of checks and balances you need opposing views and interests to keep a level playing field in any organization.
What sense would it make for these outdoor companies to keep ties with people who want to potentially hurt their pockets? It would make sense in to have a contact who is always aware of what they are planning to do so their customers would have a voice.
Before you boycott do some research and learn exactly what role these said companies are playing. Don't just assume the worst when the exact opposite may be true. Just think about it realistically, why would Camelback want to lose the vast majority of their customers?
The bottom line is that they can spend their money how and where they want to, and so can the rest of us. Obviously the vast majority of their customers are hikers/mountain bikers. Thats cool with me, but I can make decisions based on their decisions. Cant I?
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
Just dont anyone start posting crap about Jansport and I'll be ok.hr>
I know they make good back pack for school. Life time guarantee I believe.
Posted by: XtremeSkier
My camelback was spendy..but i love it..its a 3 liter pack pack..so i can put other things in it..i rarely use it riding but i use it everytime i go mtn biking and just for biking a long distance..works great..i wouldnt take it back for anything..
Posted by: sammydogs64
Please read the attached article it is very good.
We have a huge, highly financed ECO extremist cult in this country that is being led to believe the ATV's are very bad for us as a country.
The gist of the article states that CamelBak executives are on the board of directors of an ECO extremist organization bent on shutting public land to any motorized transportation. They refuse to advertise or support ATVing any way but still sell to us as 4 out of 5 riders who use a hydration system but CamelBak.
I was just about to buy a CamelBak Mule, but I am now going to buy a FLY unit.
http://www.off-road.com/dunes/speak/speak042001.html
Posted by: sammydogs64
The fact that the VP (Sky) is on the board of ORCA, and pledge $1,000,000 to their cause is enough reason for me not to buy CamelBak, FLY products are less expensive anyway.
Posted by: sammydogs64
We are not a vast majority of their riders, we are a small cross section. I would be surprised if we were 5% of their sales. They are not thinking with a buisness head they are thinking with their tree hugging harts. Just like the writers for the NY times, do you think they even know they are Liberal biased, (NO) they think they are centrist and only the some backwoods uneducated hick would think any different from them.
I work in Cambridge Ma., the most Liberal bastion of hippy freaks in the free world, these people think their warped and twisted views of the world are mainstreem, just like the management at CamelBak.
CamelBak management has proven their allegance to the Sierra club and other ECO terrorist organizations they will have to prove they are not fighting against non human powered activities before I patronize them again.
P.S. I have written their entire management with my concerns around their lack of tolerance and diversity to alternate transportation activities, they have not replied.
Don
Posted by: sammydogs64
Quote"The funny thing about the CAMELBAK article is that it talks about boycotting the use of them and so forth but,at the top the page there are ads for CAMELBAK! "
The author pasted that add in show what their typical add looks like. (it states that in the article)
So it not really that funny
