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Posted by: reconranger
The Z400 is the best all-around machine out there. The engine hops up really well, when you are ready for more power.
Posted by: waynerod
I say get one with 3 wheels...
But if you must - try and ride each of them first. Then decide.
A kfx700 sounds nice - but its quite a beast of a machine.
Posted by: mahnster
My vote is for the 05 Predator.
Posted by: TrailBlazerguy250
the banshee's are the most modify able atvs , they have the most availble parts for them
Posted by: MrDumass
What makes the Z400 better than the Raptor for an all around quad?
Posted by: MrDumass
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Originally posted by: RacingChick21
The 700 is a pretty good bike and does good in the mud, trails and for an automatic really gets up and moves. I would say its down fall is if you wanted to do any jumping it sucks. I have the z400 and love everything about it. Before I started racing and putting money into my quad I use to mud it all the time and I never got stuck even in some really nasty stuff. As for the raptor in my opinion I just dont like them and I could give you a list of reasons why but I'm not really up for a debate against every raptor owner on this site.
I dont want to start an argument over the Z400 and the Raptor, I was just wanting some imput from both sides, so I could make my own judgement. Please feel free to list some reasons why you feel its better. No bashing just opinions.
Posted by: MrDumass
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Originally posted by: RacingChick21
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Originally posted by: MrDumass
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Originally posted by: RacingChick21
The 700 is a pretty good bike and does good in the mud, trails and for an automatic really gets up and moves. I would say its down fall is if you wanted to do any jumping it sucks. I have the z400 and love everything about it. Before I started racing and putting money into my quad I use to mud it all the time and I never got stuck even in some really nasty stuff. As for the raptor in my opinion I just dont like them and I could give you a list of reasons why but I'm not really up for a debate against every raptor owner on this site.
I dont want to start an argument over the Z400 and the Raptor, I was just wanting some imput from both sides, so I could make my own judgement. Please feel free to list some reasons why you feel its better. No bashing just opinions.
Well in my opinion the things I don't like the most is the suspension and handling. I think it feels tipsy because it is too narrow. Also, my friend seems like he is always needing to fix something and he isn't even a hard rider. I couldn't imaging if I owned it and rode it the way I do my z. Overall I just dont like them and would not own one. I know I wil get flamed for this or someone that has one will just not agree but he asked for my opinion so I'm giving it. I will admit that I like the way they look and the power is decent but that isn't everything that makes a great bike.
Thanks for the input! Dont worry about being bashed about your opinion. Everybody has one and there is really no way to please them all. I've been contiplating these two machines and have been looking for all the input I can get. Thanks again.
Posted by: Vunit
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Originally posted by: reconranger
The Z400 is the best all-around machine out there. The engine hops up really well, when you are ready for more power.
Yeah i agree with reconranger, the z400 it is the best out of the quads your looking at. Many mods are available for it, it is great in the woods and has a ton of power. If you want to go in the mud some mud sharks will do the trick. My friend has them on his 400ex and they are sick in the mud, he can get through anything.
Posted by: XtremeSkier
ever thought about a scrammy, i mean if u want u, u can clutch it for top end and it does have 4 wheel drive but its just as fun as a sport quad, ik ur polly not considering, if not a scrammy, then go for a pred or a Z
Posted by: garrett5462
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Originally posted by: wahoo09
i currently ride a 84 honda odessey which is alot of fun but i want a quad... i love to ride trails and i love to ride fast but i would still lik to b able to go in the mud... i want a high end quad wat should i get? i'/ve been thinkinu about the z400, raptor 660, and kfx700... i planb on modifiing the quad alot to include tires wheel exhaust winch and much more please leave your opinions... i do not want a utility 4wheeler
u know what quad u should get? watever the fu*k u wanna get. lol.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
Posted by: strubby
Well I own and love the Z400, but suggest the Pred also. I don't think I'd trade my quad for any other. Yeah, the 450's are quick, but if I can keep up with them and be waaay more comfortable on my Z, why switch? The Raptor has tons of power, but stock for stock, I don't think it's as useable as the Z or Pred. They're both my fav from the factory.
Posted by: Morewood
Many good quads out there now! Why have you eliminated the YFZ, the 450R and the Predator? All three of these are faster than the z400. I can understand not wanting the DS650 for the trails.
And I agree the little z400 is a great machine, just lacks the power of the bigger bores.
I agree the 450R does not have reverse nor electric start but kick starts easily.
I agree the YFZ is more of a race quad than trail machine, but it is the fastest.
You should consider the Predator for sure. Many consider the 05 Predator the best all around trail quad, including Dirt Wheels.
And the Raptor was rated second. I prefer the Predator....JMO.
Mods available for all these quads.
They're all good. Just try to get a ride on them before you buy. Have fun!
Posted by: Morewood
Well, JMO...
I really like the Z400 but it does not have enough power for some of the steep long sand climbs I need to make. And I do not want to spend the money to bore out a new quad, nor incur the reduced reliability from that mod. So I have ruled out the Z400. And btw a big guy will find the Z400 too small, JMO.
I own the Raptor and the Predator. I definitely prefer the Predator and will definitely sell my Raptor when I buy my next quad. I did space out my Raptor so it is not tippy, and I juiced it up so it has much power. But, the Predator is just as fast and MUCH more comfortable to ride. Much better handling. Their PRO steering really works great. I have the 03 black and red TLD and it looks Great, and is very comfortable for me. I do not care for the Predator gray color.
I have spent hours on the YFZ and also on the 450R. They both still have problems. The 450R has no electric start (nor reverse), and I will not buy another quad without electric start. The YFZ still has a few problems: vibrating engine, harsh suspension, no reverse, brick seat, and runs hot. But the YFZ is the quickest. JMO.
The Honda 400ex lacks power. The DS650 is too BIG for me, I don't fit. 2-strokes are fast but they are History. Kawi 700 is not quick enough, too heavy. ATK (Cannondale) is still too risky, and it's engine vibrates too much. JMO.
If I could have one and only one new quad Today...it would have to be the 05 Predator. Of course, that could change this fall when the new models come out. JMO.
You asked for opinions....mine are based on 20 years of riding all models of 4 wheelers. I ride sand and trails.
Since you are coming off an Odessey, my guess is any of these machines will impress you. Get a ride, buy one, and have fun!
Posted by: Morewood
I agree with Trailblazerguy250 that the Banshee has the most modifications available....part of that is because it has not been improved from the factory since 1989, and part of that is because it really needs the mods to perform. But once modded, it really performs. Nothing like a modified Banshee screaming thru the big dunes!
But there are sooo many modifications available now for all of the 4-strokes that this is not a big issue. You can get any mod you need, just search the web a bit.
Wahoo09 is from Maryland, so I imagine he rides very few dunes, and a lot of trails. Banshee is not good on trails, modded nor stock. Nor will a Kawi700 nor DS650 fit the trails.
He wants a high end quad...but he is also talking about putting a winch on it! So reverse would be a nice plus.
He wants to do a lot of mods, so stock power comparisons don't really apply much.
I could not possibly recommend the Banshee for his riding and what he wants to do.
If you don't mind kick starting, go with the Honda 450R with the Cam Kit (or wait until this fall to see if they have a kick starter on the 2006). Or buy the best trail quad today, the 05 Predator and juice it up. It will fly. ...JMO.
Have Fun!
Posted by: RacingChick21
The 700 is a pretty good bike and does good in the mud, trails and for an automatic really gets up and moves. I would say its down fall is if you wanted to do any jumping it sucks. I have the z400 and love everything about it. Before I started racing and putting money into my quad I use to mud it all the time and I never got stuck even in some really nasty stuff. As for the raptor in my opinion I just dont like them and I could give you a list of reasons why but I'm not really up for a debate against every raptor owner on this site.
Posted by: RacingChick21
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Originally posted by: MrDumass
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Originally posted by: RacingChick21
The 700 is a pretty good bike and does good in the mud, trails and for an automatic really gets up and moves. I would say its down fall is if you wanted to do any jumping it sucks. I have the z400 and love everything about it. Before I started racing and putting money into my quad I use to mud it all the time and I never got stuck even in some really nasty stuff. As for the raptor in my opinion I just dont like them and I could give you a list of reasons why but I'm not really up for a debate against every raptor owner on this site.
I dont want to start an argument over the Z400 and the Raptor, I was just wanting some imput from both sides, so I could make my own judgement. Please feel free to list some reasons why you feel its better. No bashing just opinions.
Well in my opinion the things I don't like the most is the suspension and handling. I think it feels tipsy because it is too narrow. Also, my friend seems like he is always needing to fix something and he isn't even a hard rider. I couldn't imaging if I owned it and rode it the way I do my z. Overall I just dont like them and would not own one. I know I wil get flamed for this or someone that has one will just not agree but he asked for my opinion so I'm giving it. I will admit that I like the way they look and the power is decent but that isn't everything that makes a great bike.
Posted by: wahoo09
i currently ride a 84 honda odessey which is alot of fun but i want a quad... i love to ride trails and i love to ride fast but i would still lik to b able to go in the mud... i want a high end quad wat should i get? i'/ve been thinkinu about the z400, raptor 660, and kfx700... i planb on modifiing the quad alot to include tires wheel exhaust winch and much more please leave your opinions... i do not want a utility 4wheeler
Posted by: wahoo09
also i would lik the 4wheeler to have alot of modification possiblities
Posted by: wahoo09
no other opinions?
