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Posted by: garyc660R
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Originally posted by: Boosh71
Is it better to have the front two wheels wider than the back, or vise versa?Thanks
It's better to have the front end wider than the rear...asuming everything is designed wider up front (no wheel spacers).
Posted by: maddog56
Been there done that, here's what I think. I got my a arms in before my axle, +2+1. Basically what happens is the rear end swings around with the slightest twitch of the handle bars and makes you awfully close to spinning out even when you dont want to. When the rear end is wider, it wont steer worth a darn and you'll find yourself using reverse a lot more than usual. IMO, a wider front end is more rideable, but neither is desireable. You wont want to ride the bike for an extended period of time on either setup and if you arent going to be able to get the other part for a while then I would either hold off or just buy it and put it up in the garage until you can.
Now when you are talking about a more balanced width, like a +2 front and +5 rear, then I like the front end around an inch wider than the rear when someone is on the bike. When you put weight on the machine the front gets wider, and if you get ZPS shocks or otherwise drop the front end with kits or just by changing your preload then you will need to take that into account as well.
Posted by: reconranger
I presume you are refering to your Raptor 660's? In my opinion, the rear end of the Raptor is pathetically narrow! (Not sure what Yamaha was thinking???) A set of wheel spacers will fix that real quick.
If I owned that machine, I would widen the front also, but you are looking at a very large outlay of $$$, for a-arms and new shocks. A friend of mine turned his front rims around, for a couple of extra inches up front (not a solution I really like). That or wheel spacers up front might lead to a lot of bump-steer.
Another solution might be some wider tires and rims with a greater offset. I run ITP rims and Holeshot tires on all my big sport machines. This makes the bikes +3 in the rear and +2 up front.
Posted by: mahnster
You can use the stock shocks with extended a-arms because the mounts are in the same place as the stockers, but it will be really soft compared to what it is at now.
Posted by: Boxhead
I broke my wrist from taking a turn too quick with the back wider than the front, go for the front first. With the rear wider it will scuff the front tires more often and understeer quite frequently. As for stock shocks with wider arms it can be done if the stockers are pretty stiff for you in the first place. I did that to my warrior before I got the new shocks and it actually gave me a comfy ride.
Posted by: moldycheese
try some wheel spacers on the back to see if its wide enough. if it is your ok. if it isnt than get a new axel and wider a-arms.
also it isnt a good idea to put stock shocks on wider a-arms because even if the shock mount is the same distance away your quad will sit lower than stock
Posted by: moldycheese
in most cases it wont be because of the preload it will be because of the length of the shock. they will need a longer shock. if they dont need a longer shock the stock ones arent designed for the load they will have to go threw with the longer a-arms. they will overheat, wear out and become useless in no time.
Posted by: rolsmojave3
i put just an axle on my Mojave and it pushed like a Mack dump truck then after i got front spacers it handled like rails...so I'd go with making the front wider first
Posted by: buck183
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Originally posted by: Banshee392
If I had to pick the mods between a-arm or an axle first and get the other mod later I would choose an axle over the a-arms hands down..
I wider front end will improve handling ten times better than a wider rear end.
Buck
Posted by: Boosh71
Is it better to have the front two wheels wider than the back, or vise versa?
Thanks
Posted by: Boosh71
Thanks guys, I think I'll get the durablue 2+2 eliminator, and have it on the plus 2 setting until I get offset wheels in the front or a-arms. What are the best a-amrs for normal riders. Is it possible to get extended a-arms and use the stock suspension?
Posted by: Boosh71
even if the raptor back end is narrower than most quads? The front end looks ok, but the back end is way skinny. It seems like for the raptor, widening the back would the best thing to do at first? Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks for all your input guys.
Posted by: Boosh71
even if you adjust the preload in the front?
Posted by: Banshee392
If I had to pick the mods between a-arm or an axle first and get the other mod later I would choose an axle over the a-arms hands down..
Posted by: Morewood
Most folks agree that it is better to have the front slightly wider. Gives better stability at high speed, and handles better in corners.
I ride mostly sand, so when I bought tires and wheels for my Raptor for the sand I got a healthy offset with wide razors up front. Then I put 1 1/2" lightweight spacers on the rear. Handles fine now, takes the feeling of high CG away.
Posted by: odaen
Some A-arms utilize the stock length and travel shocks, others don't. It all depend how close to the wheel the arm manufacturer places the lower mount.
Posted by: kabirk
I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE FRONT WHEELS WIDER THE THE BACK ONE'S....
Posted by: TPR
I would definiteally go wider up front first than in the rear. The handling differences in the two mods are like night and day....wider front will make the handling more predictable, espically on the tallish Raptor, while ging wider in the rear first will cause the handling to be twitchier (is that a word??) and highlight the Rappy's high C.G. When the front end hooks up it won't be subtle and the quad will want to roll to the outside of the turn more.
There are companies that offer up to +2" a-arms that can be used in conjunction with stock shocks with the pre-load bumped up a couple of clicks. I recently tested a Z-400 with +2's using stock shocks and it worked great!!! Felt like a stock setup, only wider.
Ask the guys at Alba, they may have some recreational (More affordable for the everyday rider) level a-arms that might fit the bill.
The Phantom.....wishes he were outside right now....
