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Originally posted by: pred007
. The Predator is not yet proven but so far for me has been an excellent ride. Im not to worried about The first year Burps. Polaris will take care of them.

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Originally posted by: MXBanshee07
Yeah? my first post said i think it was around like 78 but it was really 77.7? Ask any perfomance shop how fast it goes and they will tell you, as matter of fact go to bansheehq.com and ask. Oh and read this arcticle from dirt wheels issue jan. 2003 for the best acceleration and drag race winner, " While there was some debate about how the power came on, there was disputing that the banshee has the best kick in the pants horsepower of the bunch. For pure sand slinging acceleration it was rated the top-dog in our comparison." So honestly i dont care if you dont believe me but call and see the banshee tops out at 77.7 and this is straight from ATV action.

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The KR250RR is the "Fastest and Quickest" production ATV in the World. This "Raptor Killen", "Banshee Bustin", "DS650 Smoken", "Cannibal Eaten" ATV features a 250cc 2-stroke, single cylinder, case induction reed valve, 60HP, Liquid cooled engine.

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well if u want the fastest stock quad for buy a used zillia

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Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

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Originally posted by: xbox74
i cant find it it was posted on here a while ago somebody had the link. but any way if you all can read save up $5.50 and buy feb. 2003 issue of dirt wheels turn to page 112 thats the one after 111 thats the section where they do a shoot out between to real machines ( i just happen to own them both the two fastest production atv's) look just above where is says creature feature and READ and i quote "RIDERS LOOKING FOR A DRAG RACE WINNING MACHINE WILL BE BETTER SERVER BY THE QUICKER ACCELERATION AND HARDER HITTING POWERBAND THAT MAKES THE BANSHEE THE FASTEST PRODUCTION QUAD YOU CAN OWN IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!" SO FOR ALL THAT SAY THE MAGS OLNY SPEAK THE TRUTH THIS IS FOR YOU SAVE YOUR BOTTLES AND TAKE A CAB TO THE NEAREST MAG STORE !!!!!!!!!!PEACE!!/

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how come the double?

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Posted by: kevlt250r

1987-1990 Quadzilla.......... Badest stock quad ever made. When moded it is untouchable.

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Posted by: Mr350X

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well if u want the fastest stock quad for buy a used zillia

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They stopped building those in what 1989?
yea i want a 15+ year old quad that is not very reliable and maybe has a 2mph top speed advantage over the new generation

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Dont be pissed because the old Ziller will tramp your expensive DS!

ps. Bone stock Zillas run 79-80 MPH, but its not about top speed I guess, its about how fast you get thereBR>

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You say a zilla is the fastest quad, But most every one i have seen break before they get to the finish line. There competition is usually left dodging the parts that are falling off of it.

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You shouldnt let jealousy get to you like that.
Somehow I doubt youve ever seen a Zilla in person....

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Posted by: Mr350X

Why do you think you would be servicing it all the time?
Change the gearbox oil, keep the air filter clean, do a top end job every couple years.

How complicated is that.......?


2 strokes rock.


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Posted by: deltadawg

I seriously doubt you will leave whatever quad you buy - bone stock. Why ask that. Why not ask which has the best potential. There are only a few quads out there that dont get modified from stock; ie...cannondale.

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Posted by: CBUS660R

Squid, that's a funny post :rolleyes; nevermind that parts like that are outsourced and the only model that comes with a clutch cable are the newer Cannibals (late '02-03).

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Posted by: CBUS660R

I liked the Raptor for a trail quad, but I wanted to get into GNCC style racing and I decided to go with the R for that. The Raptor is on the narrow side and has a higher center of gravity than the others, which gives it a top heavy, tippy fell (tends to "bicycle" more easily and powerslide less predictably). Also, bone stock, the motor is not that impressive. However, with a few mods, the motor does wake-up quite a bit. I have not ridden the new Z/KFX twins yet (they are IDENTICAL except for color), but a riding partner of mine has one (got it just as my ride was stolen, so I have not ridden it yet) and he loves it. The 400EX is a sweet handling quad (my friend says his Z is just as good though), but the power was on the soft side for me (and takes some real money and work to get impressive power). I have yet to ride a C-Dale, so I can't really say much there. The guys that I've talked to, do like them well. They are a different animal from the rest. At first, they struggled with some quality control issues (they do have the best customer support by far), but that seems to be worked out for the most part and they are a much harder edged quad. By that, I mean the motor likes to be riden hard and the suspension is firmer. If you are more of a laid back trail rider, you may not be as happy with it as you would be with a Z or EX, but if you are an aggressive rider who likes to push the limits, the C-Dales are the best out there IMHO. Finally, on the Predator, I have yet to see one in action and have not talked to anyone who has ridden one, so I won't say anything one way or another about it. I guess it all depends on how hard you ride, how much money you are willing to spend up front on the quad, and how much money you are willing to spend on aftermarket parts on what will be the best choice for you.

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Posted by: RaptorRider660R

I had a stock 89 Zilla my brother has it now and it is no longer stock, The YFZ450 bone stock I think would lose. Take out the baffle, add a 3 dollar jet and pull the lid and I think it will beat a stock zilla and even a piped one.

I also agree with the 77 MPH YFZ we got my buddy's up to 76.9 with a GPS.

Out of the Banshee, Raptor and Predator I would also say the Predator is the best handling, but not when you throw the YFZ in there. Right now the YFZ is the fastest best handling quad on the market period! You can say what you like, exagerate the price of it, complain it is too expensive, whine about a bent a-arm, what ever you want to justify your purchase or make you feel better about your FAV! Yamaha has hit a home run, out of the park. They have supplied what every one has been asking for since 1989, a 250R replacement, a lightweight, powerful great handling machine. I give cannondale an A for effort they tried, but unfortunately didn't survive.

Does this mean all the other quads suck! No they are all still nice machines. I just think the YFZ is what most every racer has been asking for!


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I have not ridden a GAS GAS so you are correct I cannot comment on them good point.


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Posted by: YoDaddy

I think your best option would be the Z/KFX. I like the green better on the KFX so thats what I would go w/ if I was a trail rider. The reverse could come in handy and the handling is good. They could use some help as far as suspension goes, and the power isn't great but I guess it's not bad (I am talking about STOCK, so you Z owners can calm down). The Raptor doesn't handle to good and the power isn't as good as it SHOULD be w/ it being a 660 and all, the Predator doesn't have reverse (just a nice luxury for trail riders) and the width COULD be a small problem on tight trails.... maybe... I'm gonna ride one today and I'll post back about it's power and stuff. The Cannondale is awesome but again, it lacks reverse. It would be a lot better on trails too if it was geared down a little. I have 18" grooved tamers so it's pretty awful on trails due to the low ground clearance, and it spins to much... but thats ONLY caused by my tires. On the track, the only thing I would want is a Cannondale, and maybe a R. Everything else either feels to week, or just FEELS awkward and heavy.

Hope that helps a little.

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Posted by: YoDaddy

The C-dale is faster than the Banshee... the GasGas is faster than the C-dale, but somehow, the Banshee is faster than the GasGas.

Don't ask, thats just the way it is.































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Posted by: RoostinOnYou

hey bubba thats a pretty good # for your junk bike. id love to see your fast bike. you need to come to sallisaw,ok and run with me and dsmike. there is a 1/8 mile track there.not starting anything its just hard for me to believe that #. not calling you a liar i would just like to see it run.

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Posted by: RoostinOnYou

buubba, is centerville where you run at. do you know steve and mike heflin? Steve had a checkered painted banshee and mike on a black ds. i think you have raced with these guys before!

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Posted by: RoostinOnYou

bubba we will be at atoka this sat you need to come out!

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Posted by: truckracer

Hey X box - Your Banshee is faster than your Raptor ? Right ? Sorry to burst your bubble but the Predator is faster in a drag race (100 yards) and top end (we raced almost a mile and the Predator could drive by the Banshee at will). The TWO shee's I have raced were not completey stock, the 01 had air box mods and jetted (stock pipes) the other 00 model had FMF pipes and rejetted.

Oh yea, my "other" bike is the fastest stock quad ever produced ! Long live the Zilla ! Makes me happy I own number 1 and number 2 !

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Posted by: truckracer

Your still dreaming, the Banshee is NOT the fastest stock quad.
First you quote the magazines, then you say you don't believe them??? Which is it?


Your kinda right, in 2002 the fastest stock quad still in production was probably the Cannondale. But, in 2003 the Predator arrived, becoming the fastest stock quad in production!

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Posted by: truckracer

I found this from one of my old posts.....


With all the discussions about MPH and horsepower going on I thought I would dig through my "archives". And I found a jewel!

3&4 Wheel Action, June 1988. 6 quads at the 1/4 mile asphalt strip (L.A. County). Also these speeds will be the top end of each machine as the article reported all quads were topped out before the end of the quarter.

1. Suzuki 500 Quadracer, 79.20 mph, 15.09 et, 1.938 60 ft time.
2. Yamaha 350 Banshee, 77.05 mph, 15.33 et, 1.902 60 ft time.
3. Kawasaki 250 Tecate 4 74.75 mph, 15.81 et, 2.064 60 ft time.
4. Suzuki 250 Quadracer, 71.48 mph, 16.09 et, 1.947 60 ft time
5. Honda 250 4-trax R, 71.89 mph, 16.42 et, 2.084 60 ft time.
6. Kawasaki 250 Mojave, 57.84 mph, 19.07 et, 2.162 60 ft time.

All machines were bone stock, two riders made four runs on each quad. The best times were obtained by leaving in second gear with exception of the Tecate-4, it worked best in first.




I can tell you my Predator will walk away from the stock Banshee's I've raced down paved county roads.

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Posted by: dsmike

Bubba they race teh 2nd weekend of every month.


are you running 8.5's now on alky? thats not bad for a polaris.

Sallisaw has been having big turn outs on quads. thats were i have been hiding out.

hoping to get the DS into the VERY low 7's this year. and the banshee into some 6's. i'll be at centerville some this year. maybe there sunday.

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i also want to add that the banshee i was running at centerville had a stock motor on alky and ran a 7.7 at 83MPH.

i dynoed it before i took it there one weekend. its no where close to 70HP. maybe at the crank.

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bubba when are you getting back out to LS? i will be going on spring break. hopefully alot of people will be there that weekend.


was your wife the one that beat me at centerville in a bracket race? i remember talking to some people there but don't remember names. not for sure if we have meet before.

has there been alot of quads showing up there? has wayne been working on his atv track any?

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Posted by: dsmike

i think mod for mod a banshee will always be faster.

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Posted by: CCRERaptor

IMO i would get a cannodale, but they are to expensive for me, thats the quad i want, but until then i think the z is the best.

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Posted by: Bubba297

Ran my junk automatic quad on the 1/8th mile (660ft) asphalt drags. It could only do 8.4's at 78mph. That was with a 1.82 60ft time spinning the radials pretty hard. By the way slapahobanshee, you didnt specify the Predator, just a Polaris. All I have to do is push the thumb throttle and watch your Banshee get farther behind.

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Posted by: Bubba297

Dragomni, thanks for the posts. Most people dont understand what it takes to run those kind of times. We have a local Banshee that does the mid 7's at over 84mph and runs our 1000ft drag strip at 9.9's at 91mph. The Polaris would go faster if you could gear it higher. That was with a 15-34 gear. If you gear it higher it doesnt like to take off as well, and it runs out of gear at about 700ft as of now.

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Posted by: Bubba297

Now roostin, what is so hard to belive on those numbers? The race mod polaris 400's make over 70hp on race gas. Now go add the alky to it and you've got a good amount of power to deal with. I could get a picture of the timeslip (I have it) and add it to my pics, but I dont want to ruin it.LOL. We'll be at little sahara several times this year, so I am sure we'll meet up soon enough The asphalt is hard on the transmission and belt. I like the dirt or sand better to let it give some.

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Posted by: Bubba297

Yep, know both of them. They probably wont know the times I was running. I was still messing with the porting and was on gas back when we were making the regular Sat. nights. It was only running 9.1's at about 71mph then. I never saw them towards the end of the year when I made the switch to alky. By the way my bike still ran an 8.77 at 73.40 mph on gas. Maybe we can all get together someday at Little Sahara or maybe Atoka.

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Posted by: Bubba297

I was wanting to make it to Atoka this weekend, but I work every other Saturday and this is my weekend to work.It stinks for sure. Found out when the next day is for them to run and let me know if you dont mind.Bubba

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Posted by: Bubba297

I will always have the 2 big things against the Polaris. One is the weight. Me and the quad weighs about 625lbs. The second is the gearing. You can only gear it as high as it will let you and not lose acceleration. It runs out of gear right at 700ft and starts climbing rpms from there. There are some that say you lose 20% or more through the belt drive. According to CPI and their dyno testing, the motor should really be making over 80hp at the crank. The other things just hurt it quite a bit. Your not going to see too many Polaris's that will go ride the dunes all day then go run those times at the strip. Also the fact that I do ALL MY OWN PORTING, ENGINE, AND CLUTCH WORK. I could get the engagement quite a bit higher and tune it for a faster 300ft time, but you lose more driveability. We love to ride at Little Sahara, and it now does exactly what I want it to.

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Posted by: Bubba297

Yeah Mike, we were one of the groups that were making the regular Sat. nights there when he started letting us run. That was my wife on the wheeler. Wayne is not expecting to be done with the track until about June. What a bummer! The guys never finished all of the concrete pad around the tower, and he has not been able to build the stairs for the tower yet. He says once they get that done, he should be able to get it finished pretty soon, but with the regular racing and Sat nights kicking up again before long he thinks it will be about then. We wont be able to make it to Sahara until April. I think the second weekend is when we are going, or the weekend before Easter if that's right. Between my wife's schedule and mine we cant come any sooner. Hot Springs will be opening pretty soon and that's only about an hour and fifteen min away. I guess that will have to do for now.Bubba

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Posted by: Bubba297

Please................ Go BS someone else. Government regulations keep the companies from making quads that fast in stock form. Maybe going down a steep a$$ hill being pushed by a Banshee or Zilla. LOL

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Posted by: lt250r91

Ok first of first year quads have had there problems. But I would rule that out on the GasGas quad if your looking for a quad that is a 2-stroke race ready machine. This quad in my mind is the fastest in stock form. The cannondale falling into second place behind it. This two machine were designed with the racer in mind and I feel are more geared towards people that are racing or planning on getting into racing. Do get me wrong they are great trail riding quads, but most people don't want to spend that kind of money out out front on a trail quad.

The first thing I'd tell you to do is to find a dealer that will let you ride the different machines and then see which one you like better. For trail riding my first choice would be the z400. In my opinion I'd stay away from the predator and the Raptor. I've rode a predator and didn't like it. As for the Raptor I've been told it feels tipsy do to being narrow and the stance being tall. Like siad it sounds like you got it narrowed down to a couple quads, so just read up on the maintance of each one and take them for a test drive.

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The C'dale tops out around 75mph and my GasGas in stock form blows it away. I'd guess the GasGas is around 80-85mph. If you need proof on the speed of the GasGas come watch me at the GNCC's or just as Cbus660 he has rode the GasGas and is playing on coming over sometime and riding both the Cannondale and GasGas.

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Posted by: lt250r91

While all you guys are saying your quad is faster than other in stock form. I busy laughing at you all do to the fact that none of you are right. The GasGas quad that I own will smoke anything in stock form even my cannnondale speed. The speed is about 5-10 mph to slow when the GasGas tops out. If you don't believe me then fine. Other thing is who really cares which one is faster in stock form. None of my quads ever stay that way long. Real men how race modify the crap out of their quads instead of saying mine stock quad is faster than yours. Who cares if the only way you can win a race is in a striaght away only and no turns, jump, trees, hills, etc are in the way are you really racing or just pointing and shooting. Real racers jump mounts of dirt, climb hills that nobody says can be clumb, dodge trees, cross deep creeks, and all the other thing. If you just want to go straight buy a motorcycle.

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IT HAS BEEN PROVEN!! FASTEST TOP-END MACHINE IS THE BANSHEE. NOTHING ACCELS IT. THE GAS GAS IM SORRY TO SAY IS NOT FASTER TOP-END.

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Do you have proof of this that the Banshee can beat the GasGas? Have you even seen a GasGas in person? Have you rode one? I own one and it flat out flies. I also own a cannondale and the GasGas smokes it in top end. Last I recall when dirtwheels did a shootout on top speeds of the banshee and cannondale they were very close (can't remember which one won) but if I have to I can find the article and post the results. My point is the banshee and cannondale (as what Dirtwheels said) are close in top end speed and my GasGas blows away the cannondale so it should beat the banshee. Remember we are talking stock form not piped or any or mods. I'll have actual results once the race season starts.

My next question is how really cares which is faster do we all ride at 70+mph all the time? I'm not a pro rider and can't and won't run this fast with trees inches from both sides of the quad. Speed is nice, but a smooth riding, controllable powerful quad is what counts in my book and the GasGas is number one in those catagories, it's an added bonus that it has a top speed over 80 mph.

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Dirtgirl,
I might have to take you up on that offer sometime. It might be awhile though. Do to race schedule and trying to get all the buggs out of it. Dang thing is overheating right now. I think I know what needs done. Taking it back up to Don this saturday if the parts come it. I'll let you know and I'd put money on the Quadzilla in a drag race. This thing is fast but I think the quadzilla is the one and only one that can beat it on top end.

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Dirtgirl

Just about got all the bugs out of mine. Going to finish breaking the engine back in for tomorrows BUCCS race. We'll have to get together and settle this issue when both of us have a day to do it.

Hey maybe Before or after the final round of the BUCCS series. Aug 2 at Crow Canyon? Since it near you right?
Let me know.

Mike

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Posted by: MxDale71

If a Banshee had a top speed of close to 80 mph, it must take a DAMN long time to get there!

I've drag raced Banshee's, I let off the throttle to let them catch up, and then pinned it so they could watch me leave them... again! BR>
I've also beat numerous piped banshee's out of the gate and to the first corner. If a stock Banshee has a higher top speed than a C-dale, it doesn't matter because I'll be to far ahead for it to catch up in time when it FINALLY reaches that top speed.

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Posted by: xbox74

the banshee has the highest top speed out of all the quads that are still in production

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Hello,
First I'd like to ask where are you getting the Banshee has highest top speed? The Predator is rated at 76 mph. I can't speak for C-dales or Gas-Gas but that is faster than rest. (I am speaking without gearing changes.) I took a chance and sold 400 EX and Warrior to get one. It is extremely easy to go fast on without all the body english. The PRO steering system really works and has been proven on their snow mobiles. If you like walking and wheeling then the Z or the EX would be best bet. I prefer a Honda but friend has KFX and is extremely fun to ride. The predator suspension has to be dialed in and is not set right at factory but it is quite fun tweaking the ride you want. Corners like it is on rails and has 42HP at wheels out of the box. Chain makes noise( and quad does vibration) that my Honda did not. Also comes with braided brake lines, the Douglas rims and Razors stock. The 2 in width diffrence is awesome and I can see why people pay all the cash for the +2 A-arms. The good thing is I didnt have to. I can be described as almost anti-polaris up to a few days ago but the Predator has let me see the light. There is a comparison between the Glamis C-Dale and Predator on Sport-quad.com. It seems to be as close to be a true race-ready quad for @6000 that you can buy, noone is is close to the price.

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before you post you should do your research correctly the banshee back in 1988 when three and four wheeler mag did the top speed test the shee topped out at 79.4 and the zilla 500 at 79.8 zilla being the fastest but the zilla is not in production any more so i guess the shee is the fastest !!! any problems with the speed results take it up with the nhra drag strip where they tested them!!!!further more i have a GPS also a modded shee a modded raptor and a modded 400 ex my friend has a ltz 400 and my other friend has a predator so i know what real time speed is all about! the shee in stock form will and does eat them all in top speed

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http://www.angelfire.com/la/honda/speeds.html
Here you go something in print. Not rumor...you take it up with the mag if you don't like it. Banshees are not the fastest stock. I know real speed also if it was so fast why you modding it to try and keep up with the raptors,DS,C-Dales, and the predators...your poor stock Banshee just went another rung down the ladder.

P.S. Sorry I couldnt find anything from 1988...

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those sites are crocks of sh@t when i see them at a nhra drag strip thats when i belive it! i dont own a quad as slow as the predator except maybe my kids lt 50 ! if i owned one i would be pissed too

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i cant find it it was posted on here a while ago somebody had the link. but any way if you all can read save up $5.50 and buy feb. 2003 issue of dirt wheels turn to page 112 thats the one after 111 thats the section where they do a shoot out between to real machines ( i just happen to own them both the two fastest production atv's) look just above where is says creature feature and READ and i quote "RIDERS LOOKING FOR A DRAG RACE WINNING MACHINE WILL BE BETTER SERVER BY THE QUICKER ACCELERATION AND HARDER HITTING POWERBAND THAT MAKES THE BANSHEE THE FASTEST PRODUCTION QUAD YOU CAN OWN IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!" SO FOR ALL THAT SAY THE MAGS OLNY SPEAK THE TRUTH THIS IS FOR YOU SAVE YOUR BOTTLES AND TAKE A CAB TO THE NEAREST MAG STORE !!!!!!!!!!PEACE!!

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i cant find it it was posted on here a while ago somebody had the link. but any way if you all can read save up $5.50 and buy feb. 2003 issue of dirt wheels turn to page 112 thats the one after 111 thats the section where they do a shoot out between to real machines ( i just happen to own them both the two fastest production atv's) look just above where is says creature feature and READ and i quote "RIDERS LOOKING FOR A DRAG RACE WINNING MACHINE WILL BE BETTER SERVER BY THE QUICKER ACCELERATION AND HARDER HITTING POWERBAND THAT MAKES THE BANSHEE THE FASTEST PRODUCTION QUAD YOU CAN OWN IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!" SO FOR ALL THAT SAY THE MAGS OLNY SPEAK THE TRUTH THIS IS FOR YOU SAVE YOUR BOTTLES AND TAKE A CAB TO THE NEAREST MAG STORE !!!!!!!!!!PEACE!!/

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Actually, everything you own is slower that a Predator and it is obviously killing you...this is not 1988...so sad. This is to the guy stuck in the 80's before there was any high performance 4 strokes...



"those sites are crocks of sh@t when i see them at a nhra drag strip thats when i belive it! i dont own a quad as slow as the predator except maybe my kids lt 50 ! if i owned one i would be pissed too "

grow up

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I THINK IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GROW UP!! HUH!

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Hey X box - Your Banshee is faster than your Raptor ? Right ? Sorry to burst your bubble but the Predator is faster in a drag race (100 yards) and top end (we raced almost a mile and the Predator could drive by the Banshee at will). The TWO shee's I have raced were not completey stock, the 01 had air box mods and jetted (stock pipes) the other 00 model had FMF pipes and rejetted.

Oh yea, my "other" bike is the fastest stock quad ever produced ! Long live the Zilla ! Makes me happy I own number 1 and number 2 !

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zilla is the fastest i wont deny that but olny buy less than 1 mph stock for stock but but it is still faster . the topic was fastest quad still in production that would be the banshee ! did you read the article the raptor beat the banshee one time out of ten that would make the raptor the second fastest production quad i guess

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xbox74, here is the link to that page that you were talking about in '88 and it says the quadzilla is king, you might ought to check your eye sight a little. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/6243/dragspeed.htm and i reckon it is the article straight from that issue of three and four wheel action in 1988

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i said in my past posts the zilla was the fastest stock quad ! the question was what was the fastest quad still in production ? that would be the banshee!

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i cant find it it was posted on here a while ago somebody had the link. but any way if you all can read save up $5.50 and buy feb. 2003 issue of dirt wheels turn to page 112 thats the one after 111 thats the section where they do a shoot out between to real machines ( i just happen to own them both the two fastest production atv's) look just above where is says creature feature and READ and i quote "RIDERS LOOKING FOR A DRAG RACE WINNING MACHINE WILL BE BETTER SERVER BY THE QUICKER ACCELERATION AND HARDER HITTING POWERBAND THAT MAKES THE BANSHEE THE FASTEST PRODUCTION QUAD YOU CAN OWN IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!" SO FOR ALL THAT SAY THE MAGS OLNY SPEAK THE TRUTH THIS IS FOR YOU SAVE YOUR BOTTLES AND TAKE A CAB TO THE NEAREST MAG STORE !!!!!!!!!!PEACE!!/

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how come the double?

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i replyed to my self by mistake and i did not know how to get rid of the whole post so i just edited it to say nothing

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Posted by: xbox74

also i dont belive a word those mags say anyway. i dont think a shoot out for top speed should be done on anything but a nhra approved drag strip where it takes most of the rider skill away. you dont have to worry much about traction for the win ! just mu .02cents

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I'm done i can't keep typing on this subject!when i get beat buy a predator in a drag race i will get back to you ! so don't expect to hear from me

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Originally posted by: MXBanshee07
IT HAS BEEN PROVEN!! FASTEST TOP-END MACHINE IS THE BANSHEE. NOTHING ACCELS IT. THE GAS GAS IM SORRY TO SAY IS NOT FASTER TOP-END.

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Do you have proof of this that the Banshee can beat the GasGas? Have you even seen a GasGas in person? Have you rode one? I own one and it flat out flies. I also own a cannondale and the GasGas smokes it in top end. Last I recall when dirtwheels did a shootout on top speeds of the banshee and cannondale they were very close (can't remember which one won) but if I have to I can find the article and post the results. My point is the banshee and cannondale (as what Dirtwheels said) are close in top end speed and my GasGas blows away the cannondale so it should beat the banshee. Remember we are talking stock form not piped or any or mods. I'll have actual results once the race season starts.

My next question is how really cares which is faster do we all ride at 70+mph all the time? I'm not a pro rider and can't and won't run this fast with trees inches from both sides of the quad. Speed is nice, but a smooth riding, controllable powerful quad is what counts in my book and the GasGas is number one in those catagories, it's an added bonus that it has a top speed over 80 mph.

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So I take Gas Gas doesn't have to report to the CPSC. The CPSC has a top speed limit of 75 MPH. This was not in effect when the Zilla was in production. The Zilla was the reason it was put into effect.

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Posted by: YFZRacer

who cares about the fastest stock quad its after you pipe everything new tires and the right gearing that you can start comparing how many ppl out there have stock shees...not many

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Posted by: YFZRacer

besides all stock quads are different money cannondales up to 12 while banshees are what 6 7 i say make them all have 10 grand into them then you can see what the fastest quad is and it isn't going to be 4strok jmo lata
cory

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Originally posted by: DaWARRIORMan2000
Whatever your decision I would suggest staying away from first year quads! Raptors and DS650 were nothing but trouble their first year out! Good Luck!!!!hr>

I agree 100%. First year quads have not been proven.

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Posted by: 02bansheeman

out of your list i would buy the Z400 but a banshee is still better than anything ever made

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Posted by: mountainman10

Canondale, cannondale, cannondale. Stock against stock no machine can touch it except for maybe the new gas gas. But it is so new there are no comparisons on it. And I love the c-dale on the trails.

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Posted by: mountainman10

The predator is not faster than a cannondale!

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Posted by: maddog56

factory specs often sandbag the performance, or inflate it. Take a look at hp numbers during the musclecar era, 375hp chevys were dynoing 500hp.

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Originally posted by: dragomni
As far as the musclecar comment, the reasons they dynoed such high numbers in the 60s was because it was "gross" horsepower, no air cleaner, no accessories, open exhaust, jetting and timing changes. Today they struggle to get a "stock" rebuilt V8 from that era to replicate the numbers of the day, because hours were spent on the engine dyno to get the big numbers. Todays ratings are in net hp, with accessories on, air cleaner system, and full exhaust. They didn't call it hp wars for nothing. The 1972 gas crunch lowered numbers because of less compression, but not as much as the 1972 gross to net change.

Example: a '71 440 4bbl rated at 375hp in fresh rebuild form dynoes about 220hp to the wheels (Mopar mags). A 20% drivetrain loss which is todays standard for an auto equipped would be 300hp to the wheels. In realtiy the engines were making only about 60% of thier rated output to the wheels. Yes you could tweak them with jetting, timing, and so on but the facts are most of the numbers were unrealistic and absolutely not off the showroom floor except for places like Mr Norms where they tuned cars to sell. A 14sec musclecar was fast, 13s were Hemi and LS6 territory. Most musclecars were in the 3300-3800lb area, do the math. Todays Neon SRT=4 runs 13s off the showroom floor, weighing about 3000lbs, Mustang GTs with 260hp run 14.0s, LS1s with 305hp can even bust 12s stock. The real musclecar era is TODAY.

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blah blah blah. I understand that. The hp differences were what I was referring to. Both the claimed and actual hp ratings were found using the same method, so the 2 numbers are comparable. All I was pointing out was that the company was sand bagging thier cars in order to make govt officials happy.

And as far as tech goes, yes, the cdale was more advanced than anything we have had to date. That doesnt mean it was the fastest, but its efi still made it more advanced than the faster bikes we have now and have had in the past.

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Posted by: maddog56

I have raced a late 90's mustang gt, and it wouldnt do 160. It was mostly stock and it topped out at about 130. Thats when I passed him in a stock 1990 Infinity Q45s. Fastest damn thing Ive ever had, even faster than some of my dad's vettes he used to own. Wish I still had that car.

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Posted by: maddog56

Just tellin ya what happened. If you dont want to believe me, I dont really care. It was quite a rush for me!

Raced a Dodge Stealth R/T on the highway with my same car, he ran it up to about 125 and got chicken, I won that one too.

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Originally posted by: PmanX8
Hmm, if im not mistaken, (in which i am NOT) this is an "ATV" Forum, not a "Ford, dodge, Pontaic, chevy" Forum (in order from best to worst)

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if you dont like it, then dont read it.

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Posted by: maddog56

this kids a flamer. relax, take deep breaths. No one has anything against you until you run off at the mouth. If you just cool it a little you will be fine.

let me clarify, 2004ds650

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Posted by: pleasure4qt

I would get a Predator, zero bump steer, wide, long wheel base, great suspension, strong fast motor.

Dry weight is heavier then Rappy, Z400, or EX but you have to remember it has a heavy rear axle that shouldn't bend, heavier tires, wider a-arms, and different steering setup.

my .02

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Posted by: dragracer789

vforseman700: your smokin to much crack these days guy. Just today i raced a vforse with pipes jets filters and i dont know what else he had to it but let me tell ya them things are slow, compared to my R with a pipe and filter.

Mabey if you down graded to weed you would realise it

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Posted by: pvtCowboy

You guys are putting your own opinions on to an open face question, what's the fastest production quad? I believe the answer to that question will no doubt be the GASGAS. 300cc power valve 2 stroke with Ohlins shocks is hard to beat, almost seems like a bargain for $7500.

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I am looking for an all around qaud..

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I think you may have sold it last year!

Otherwise, any of the ones you listed.

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Posted by: Bing

My ole GPZ went about 155mph. Mustangs used to hang till about 140-145. I had a few friends with them.

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Posted by: Bing

Anyone ever seem a tricked out Lincoln MarkXIII

They can be very fast cars....

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Posted by: albaBANSHE

or you could always buy the blue legend! the 17+ year proven BANSHEE!, its cheaper than most you have your eyes on and its probably faster than them all(except cannondale)

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Posted by: albaBANSHE

or take every quad that has proveed it is fast and put them all in a big stock wheeler drag race

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Posted by: CANNIBAL440

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Originally posted by: Squidward
Predator. It's the only stock four stroke I've ever ridden that will come out of the hole harder than a Banshee. Cannondales are grat machines until you need to order parts......"uhhh, sorry, we're making bicycles at the factory this month, call us back in January and we'll make your clutch cable."

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That is an intelligent post.

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Posted by: 2000IAWarrior

well if u want the fastest stock quad for buy a used zillia if u want the best quad get a honda 250r if you want a 4stroke ltz kfx400 or a predator but id wait a year for the predators just to see how they hold up or go with the almighty 400ex ... i rode a raptor and i was impressed but it was my 1st time on one but lots more touque hten the warrior and lots more power loved it almost bought it but it was a 2001 so i passed up on it he still has it for sale... but ya the cdales are nice just dont have cash

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Posted by: LapTraffic

test drive everything you can. I rode a Cannondale in the parking lot of a dealership. And that's what I ended up buying. Im not going to try to justify my purchase by telling you to buy the same thing I did. But I can tell you that I did a crap load of research and in the end the Cannondale was the best fit for me and I extremely happy with the bike.

Ive had several people stop me on the trails just to ask about the bike. It's unique and scary fast. I like that

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Posted by: MalHombre

'zilla
was, is, and prolly always will be thanks to regs now.

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Posted by: blastnbaja

do we have no ds-650 believers? I love my 02 baja.

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Posted by: Squidward

Predator. It's the only stock four stroke I've ever ridden that will come out of the hole harder than a Banshee. Cannondales are grat machines until you need to order parts......"uhhh, sorry, we're making bicycles at the factory this month, call us back in January and we'll make your clutch cable."

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Posted by: Mrbiggins114

Hey I am looking at buying a new quad. I have aldready owned a 400ex i sold it last year.. Looking to get back into riding.. I am curious what is the fastest BONE stock quad out there right now??? I am also interested in which quad you think is the best out right now?? I know that the EX is getting beat by some newer machines... The purchase is between z400, Cannibal, Raptor, Predator. I will be trail riding riding mostly. Another thing is that I will be riding with two KX 250's... With possibly a little track riding.. And some climbing to so I guess I am looking for an all around qaud..??????? Thanks alot

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Posted by: Mrbiggins114

You sold a 400EX also? How do you like it compared to the raptor that I think you have. I had the 400 already. It was an awsome quad dont get me wrong I loved it. But I just here all the hype about these new quads with reverse. Like the Z400 and is the KXF really the same quad as the Z400?? I dont really think that you can beat the handling of the 400 or how smooth it was do some of these quads compare in that category? I was never a big fan of Yamaha's because there shifters dont come straight from the engine they put that bar in between which gets play in it very easily...

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Posted by: Mrbiggins114

Hey CBU why dont you help me out and respond to my questions??? I see that you sold a rapter were you not happy with it have you ridden any of the other quads i have metioned???

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Posted by: cannondaletech

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Originally posted by: Squidward
Predator. It's the only stock four stroke I've ever ridden that will come out of the hole harder than a Banshee. Cannondales are grat machines until you need to order parts......"uhhh, sorry, we're making bicycles at the factory this month, call us back in January and we'll make your clutch cable."

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fyi - there are two separate plants that cannondale owns. The one does make bicycles but the other one only makes ATV's and Motorcycles. Have you ever personally ordered parts from cannondale?.. The service is great and the warranty coverage is great. I would just love to see one of the other companies try to compete with the service and coverage that they offer. I would put a dale up against anything and not be afraid to laugh at the other person before I smoke them.

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Posted by: z400rider2003

the gas gas is prolly the fastest stock they have the most hp as i see so far

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Posted by: RapBoy

I herd if you put some money into a banshee nothing can stop it.....but the fastest stock quad out there that i herd of would be the canidal 440 blaze i think that was the one or it's one of those damn fast canidals......just i think they cost ALOT!!!!

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Posted by: GasGasMxRacer

I Would say get your name in on a new Gas Gas 300 two stroke or 450 4 stroke 50 hp stock with roll design frame all widened out with ohlins shocks all the way around and tons more extra from the factory for 7400 for 2 stroke around 8500 for 4 stroke get um fast they are limited for now company didnt realize the demand was going to be so high only 10 of the 2 strokes in the us right now mine is coming cant wait

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Posted by: GasGasMxRacer

I'd have to agree on that, these gas gas's are already pretested and rode in italy for awhile they are street legal machines over there and also used in endurance races so they are proven to work they are nota general first year quad

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Posted by: GasGasMxRacer

Yes the stock Banshee doesnt do it for me anymore, I have one and Id say its comparable to the z400 and 400Ex's in speed I have a z400 also and the z is definetly a better quad for mx for straight lines get the banshee but highly modded, I also have a new gas gas 300 and Im telling you its the quad to have very fast very comfortable powerband and you dont have to do anything to it its already done for much less than what the cannondale will run you, and its a better overall machine the shocks are better ohlins on the gas gas than on the cannondales the motor puts out more hp i do believe not too mention its got the roll design copy frame with chrome a-arms and axle

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Posted by: Ernie660R

RAPTOR IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.

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Posted by: slapahobanshee

get over it the 2 fastest quads out right now are the banshee and raptor i havent been beat by a polaris and never will because the are junk

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Posted by: slapahobanshee

your 250 is faster on track but were talking straight line

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Posted by: ALIENRAPTORX

Hey, I own a 03 LE Raptor with minimal mods and it's awsome. Granted I am not a seasoned rider, But after tipping her over a couple times you learn to accomidate with more body english. My buddy I ride with owns a DS650Baja, I rode it this weekend and I felt it was weak considering it has the same Mods. I quess weak isn't the right term. It just wasn't for me and I am so damn happy I didn't buy one. Although, if stable compared to a truck with a swing arm is what you are looking for then get the DS. My buddy is very happy with it, and hated the way the front end pointed to the sky on the Raptor with any touch of the throttle. As for the Z400, I rode with one this last weekend and it was impressive. Not much top end, but hey it's a 400. I think the Z was badass

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Posted by: DaWARRIORMan2000

Whatever your decision I would suggest staying away from first year quads! Raptors and DS650 were nothing but trouble their first year out! Good Luck!!!!

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Posted by: Toyboy1

When are these Banshee guys going to give up? Face it you 20 year old design is falling behind...change is good... I love my 66 pro street chevyII but my convertible lt1 Rocks...It is just new technology at it's best....I would just like to see a far speed shoot out from one of the mags until then... I have to agree, go ride it for yourself ...you and you alone will be the one that has to be happy with your machine..

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Posted by: dragomni

From what I remember reading it said the Predator was reeling in the Raptor, reason for being slower in a drag race was the lift shifts.


MXBanshee07: 77.1 or 78.1? You posted 2 different speeds in this thread for the Banshee.


I think this should be settled as soon as everyone gets thier new issue of ATV Sport. They'd better have hard facts!

I will put my money on one of these: Predator, DS650, or C-Dale for top speed along with accel.

http://www.ehlertpowersports.com/subscribe/images/magcovers/6_ATS03April_Cover.jpg

First person to get this issue had better post the results!

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Posted by: dragomni

I'd like to note that 1/10 is about 1 car length, about 15 feet, 3/10 would be about 45ft. It could be fairly accurately figured based on speed. 3/10 is a good win.

19sec 1/4 mile is Geo Metro territory!

Anyone raced thier built quads in the 1/4, especially a Predator? I drag race often, in a car though.

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Posted by: dragomni

Found some posts off these boards to compare your Polaris to:


I just got back from Pauls Cycle and got their time slip. Their LT500 ran a 8.097

Blue 01' Raptor, Yosh pipe, alcohol(FUN), 1/8 mile drags at 8.8, 69mph

Modded '01 Raptor - 9.7 @ 65 mph 1/8 mile w/ bad clutch

I took my raptor to an 1/8 mile track stock with a GYT-R carbon Fiber pipe I ran a 10.23@63.560 mph

My stock Scrambler 500 ran a 10.5 @ 58mph on an 1/8 mile asphault drag strip

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Posted by: dragomni

Some off Bansheehq:


with t-4's the best time we've got out of our stage II trinity port (mx) the best we got was 9.4 at 74mph. but we hadnt messed with the jetting or anything and really dialed it in or anything.

well, mine went 7.60's in the 1/8th mile.... but it was not stock... not sure about quarter.... id say a stock banshee around 15 sec... because stock banshees run high 9's in the 1/8th....

thanks shooter I ran 9.1 in the 1/8 mile with my best time of 14.84 in the 1/4mile. top speed near 82 mph



http://rutterfamily.8m.com/johnshobbies.htm

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Posted by: dragomni

As far as the musclecar comment, the reasons they dynoed such high numbers in the 60s was because it was "gross" horsepower, no air cleaner, no accessories, open exhaust, jetting and timing changes. Today they struggle to get a "stock" rebuilt V8 from that era to replicate the numbers of the day, because hours were spent on the engine dyno to get the big numbers. Todays ratings are in net hp, with accessories on, air cleaner system, and full exhaust. They didn't call it hp wars for nothing. The 1972 gas crunch lowered numbers because of less compression, but not as much as the 1972 gross to net change.

Example: a '71 440 4bbl rated at 375hp in fresh rebuild form dynoes about 220hp to the wheels (Mopar mags). A 20% drivetrain loss which is todays standard for an auto equipped would be 300hp to the wheels. In realtiy the engines were making only about 60% of thier rated output to the wheels. Yes you could tweak them with jetting, timing, and so on but the facts are most of the numbers were unrealistic and absolutely not off the showroom floor except for places like Mr Norms where they tuned cars to sell. A 14sec musclecar was fast, 13s were Hemi and LS6 territory. Most musclecars were in the 3300-3800lb area, do the math. Todays Neon SRT=4 runs 13s off the showroom floor, weighing about 3000lbs, Mustang GTs with 260hp run 14.0s, LS1s with 305hp can even bust 12s stock. The real musclecar era is TODAY.

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Posted by: dragomni

Considering that only 69 '69 ZL1 Camaros ever were built I would consider you one lucky guy! Other than rare machines like that almost all musclecars were not all that impressive by todays standards. "Top end"?? Chances are you have 4:10 gears, you don't have much of a "Top end", run out of gear at pretty low mph, probly around 120mph.... It's a 1/4 mile machine, that's all.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/chevrolet-camaro-history-1.shtml

A little info on the ZL1 Camaro from another Camaro site: With factory exhausts and tires, ZL1 Camaros could turn low 13s; with headers and slicks, they could turn 11.6s @ 122mph. Considering an LS1 Camaro has run 12.9s off the showroom floor rated at 305hp and weighing more that's not really that fast, again, the new SRT-4 Neon has run in the high 13s at over 100mph, a freakin Neon which is wrong wheel drive by mosts standards. 13.1@110mph is the best I have found for a "stock" ZL1. I don't have an exact weight of these cars, maybe you do but I am going to say 3100lbs which I beleive is high, with a 150lb driver, 3250 lbs, this is about 290-330hp to the wheels to run those numbers, with 20% drivetrain loss we are about right around the 375hp mark at the flywheel. An LS1 makes about 290hp to the wheels out of 5.7 liters of fuel efficient small block.

Check out this site, has actual dyno numbers on an engine dyno of a fresh ZL1. 375hp off the showroom floor. You can tweak any engine to make more power than as it comes off the showroom floor. That's like taking a WRX,DSM, adding a boost controller, exhaust, other tweaks, or an LS1 with bolt ons, or a Lightning or a Cobra with pulley swap, exhaust, and tuning and calling it stock, don't think so. What was considered "stock" in the 60s is not true stock. Technology has come a long ways!

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

http://www.gearheadracing.com/Reference/Chevy/1969ZL1Camaro.htm

Sorry to go off, back to ATVs!

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Posted by: dragomni

3.08 gears in a ZL1? That can't be stock. I don't beleive you could get optional gears for the ZL1 package. You should feel guilty getting that kind of a deal on that car!!

1969 Camaro ZL1 V8(427)/M4 430/5200 450/4400 4.10 gears, 5.2 0-60, 13.8/105 1/4 mile, 130mph top speed CD 12/97

The new Neon runs close 150mph stock, new Mustangs run around 160mph, Fbodys around 170mph

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Posted by: dragomni

Huh, I knew you could option whatever you wanted on the other Camaros but not the ZL1. Will have to do some more research. Have you ever drag raced yours?

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Posted by: dragomni

Even a late 80s Mustang GT could do over 140mph, raced against an '88 to just over 140. A new Cobra will make 160mph, GT around 150mph.

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Posted by: dragomni

DS650

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Posted by: 400ex5

gas gas wild hp 300 is faster than the cannondale. so then its faster than the banshee

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Posted by: hondapowered

the fastest stock quad is the cannondale but i dont know if i would buy one right now with the company in trouble and all other than that the raptor isa good choice it fast and has alot of power if you get a full exhaust and jet it and take the air box lid off it makes a big deference. i can woop on most raptors and stock Zs all the time they are nothing but a stock 400ex cannont beat a raptor but have seen them beat a Z it depends on the rider if i were you i would buy a 400ex and get ct 440 big bore kit that is what i did and i love it it has lots of power and torque i dont think i would trade it for any other quad. but thats maybe cause i have lots of $ invested in it/

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

Hello,
First I'd like to ask where are you getting the Banshee has highest top speed? The Predator is rated at 76 mph. I can't speak for C-dales or Gas-Gas but that is faster than rest. (I am speaking without gearing changes.) I took a chance and sold 400 EX and Warrior to get one. It is extremely easy to go fast on without all the body english. The PRO steering system really works and has been proven on their snow mobiles. If you like walking and wheeling then the Z or the EX would be best bet. I prefer a Honda but friend has KFX and is extremely fun to ride. The predator suspension has to be dialed in and is not set right at factory but it is quite fun tweaking the ride you want. Corners like it is on rails and has 42HP at wheels out of the box. Chain makes noise( and quad does vibration) that my Honda did not. Also comes with braided brake lines, the Douglas rims and Razors stock. The 2 in width diffrence is awesome and I can see why people pay all the cash for the +2 A-arms. The good thing is I didnt have to. I can be described as almost anti-polaris up to a few days ago but the Predator has let me see the light. There is a comparison between the Glamis C-Dale and Predator on Sport-quad.com. It seems to be as close to be a true race-ready quad for @6000 that you can buy, noone is is close to the price.

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

http://www.angelfire.com/la/honda/speeds.html
Here you go something in print. Not rumor...you take it up with the mag if you don't like it. Banshees are not the fastest stock. I know real speed also if it was so fast why you modding it to try and keep up with the raptors,DS,C-Dales, and the predators...your poor stock Banshee just went another rung down the ladder.

P.S. Sorry I couldnt find anything from 1988...

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

Hey I found another one (again not from 1988) unfortunatley Banshee isnt top speed...could this be a conspiracy... http://www.atvriders.net/atvtopspeeds.htm
How about you do some research and show me where a stock Banshee is running over 75...
P.S. Read my quote...it is just for fun and for people like you.

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

Actually, everything you own is slower that a Predator and it is obviously killing you...this is not 1988...so sad. This is to the guy stuck in the 80's before there was any high performance 4 strokes...



"those sites are crocks of sh@t when i see them at a nhra drag strip thats when i belive it! i dont own a quad as slow as the predator except maybe my kids lt 50 ! if i owned one i would be pissed too "

grow up

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

Yeah, I wouldnt race a Predator either if I were you...not that you would ever admit truth...

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

Actually, I don't "believe "as you say I do read Dirt Wheels and most every on else...JULY 2001 ( just was looking through for the shoot outs...last one I seen with Banshee and something besides the LE article they had) Page 50 chart at top...and I quote" Top Speed Cannondale 2nd place tie Raptor/DS just above the Sportaxx Banshee...obviosly you "believe you Banshee is the fastest stock quad I challenge you to show me ( or tell me I am sure I have it) where the Banshee rates as faster than the Cannondale or DS i know they havent compared it to Predator...there is none (JK). Yes the Banshee is fast but it is no Predator...stock for stock

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

No princess just scan it and send it to me ...fastest in acceleration what issue was either of these and who was it competting against it ? I hear lot 'o noise but no hard provable facts...ie what issue ?

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

So again I will say it slowly...this is stock for stock not ALBA_MODIFIED...and I can't find issue online and since you failed to scan it I will again have to beieve you are incorrect.You ahve already proven you aren't following subject. IE stock for stock. I can and will post top speeds numbers/ or horse power number charts if I must but it is obvious that you just can't accept facts...yes the Banshee is a blast to ride...yes the kick of a two stroke is awesome...no a stock one will not outrun a predator.

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Posted by: Firehawk1970

Dirt girl is hot? Maybe I missed the pics...oh were we talking quads???

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Posted by: prairievenom

THE FASTES PRODUCTION QUAD WILL BE THE KFX700 AND IT WILL SOUND THE BEST

RAPTORS SUCK IV'E SMOKED ONE WITH MY STOCK P650

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Posted by: hondaracer305

Umm, yes a banshee does come close to a quadzilla, a quadzillas top speed is 81mph, and a banshees top speed is 77.

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Posted by: hondaracer305

TwentyCharacters, you are one of the few that know what your talking about, nice post.

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Posted by: hondaracer305

the yfz is not the fastest, it is the 500cc 2stroke quadzilla and then the 350cc banshee next, the yfz has a top speed of 74 mph, though has very good acceleration,the quadzilla is the fastest at 81mph and the banshee is after the zilla at 77+ mph.

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Posted by: zillaman550

well i do say i would have to agree with mr350x on this subject. jimbo stew, just because a quad is 15 years old don't meen it isn't reliable. i have a 1988 and haven't had a lick of trouble with it other than common maintanence. i have yet to see anything with the stock engine in it (modified or not) beat it. and for all of the money these people are spending on these cannondale's and gas gas quads, you can go get yourself a zilla that is faster, and just as reliable. oh and not to mention looks alot better, they have some sweet paint jobs. for about 3000 dollars less than you guys are all talkin. i have 2 zilla's, one is all stock except for the gearing, and it will do well over 100 and it get there like nothing and has power doing it. i also have a modified zilla, and i will say i do have some trouble with it, but it isn't quite so much suzuki's fault though. ya see. i have trouble keeping the back tires from burning off, ya see it can burn them through 5th gear with out moving forward while my big ass sits on it. tell me what other quad with the origional motor can do that? they might not handle the best, but if speed is what you want they have got it. oh and being arround for 15 years + just shows how reliable they truely are, i have seen more new quads sitting on the side of the trails than i have seen zilla's

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Posted by: Idontknow

xbox74, here is the link to that page that you were talking about in '88 and it says the quadzilla is king, you might ought to check your eye sight a little. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/6243/dragspeed.htm and i reckon it is the article straight from that issue of three and four wheel action in 1988

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Posted by: Madcdale

It seems like the sand is the predators best friend. Predators can beat anything there. I think it has to do with the hook-up.
I raced my buddies predator in an open field. My cannibal was four quad lengths in front at the finish line. Don't get me wrong I like the predator alot. If there was no cannondale quads, I would have a predator. It has a lot of potential.

Racing in a straight line takes one thing-excelleration!!!!

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Originally posted by: lt250r91
While all you guys are saying your quad is faster than other in stock form. I busy laughing at you all do to the fact that none of you are right. The GasGas quad that I own will smoke anything in stock form even my cannnondale speed. The speed is about 5-10 mph to slow when the GasGas tops out. If you don't believe me then fine. Other thing is who really cares which one is faster in stock form. None of my quads ever stay that way long. Real men how race modify the crap out of their quads instead of saying mine stock quad is faster than yours. Who cares if the only way you can win a race is in a striaght away only and no turns, jump, trees, hills, etc are in the way are you really racing or just pointing and shooting. Real racers jump mounts of dirt, climb hills that nobody says can be clumb, dodge trees, cross deep creeks, and all the other thing. If you just want to go straight buy a motorcycle.

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Preach on Brutha!

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Posted by: pred007

I'M not sure what Prarie your from venom!
I have riden the ex, z, and own a pred. banshee, and 250r. If your on a budget and want a smaller stanced bike go with the z. If you want more power and money is no object buy a c-dale (if your not worried about finding parts 2 years from now). I have not riden a raptor but from what i understand what you see is what you get,.. top heavy and fast. The Predator is not yet proven but so far for me has been an excellent ride. Im not to worried about The first year Burps. Polaris will take care of them.
If i was buying again, the only other thing I'd look at would be the c-dale. just make sure there gonna be there for ya.
And by the way, I have been able to walk away from the raptor and the cannibal in straight line sand with the pred.

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Posted by: FsT4WrD

You are going to be riding with KX's so why not stay all green ?
Go with a KFX

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Posted by: FsT4WrD

I agree with dirtgirl cause she is HOT

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Posted by: RaptorandBansheeBros

Raptor is by far the best stock quad. It will get anyone in the long run and it has to me the best handling and suspension. The suspension is totally awesome and you wont feel even the hardest bump. It is awesome at starts and in the long run i think it will tear any stock quad up by far.

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Posted by: thor440

banshee=way 2 much unusable power. raced quads for 10 years now and never been beat by a banshee in the woods. have been beatn by 1 and i mean 1 banshee on the track. i raced small, lots of turns supercross type of tracks so most of them didnt get 2 use their top ends. the 1 that would woop our asses had 20 grand in it. he can have the 100 dollors for the win! if yamaha would do somthn with that chasis and suspension, i would consider buying it. not trying to piss any1 off here. i havnt seen anything stock beat a banshee in the dunes and would prob own 1 if glamis wasnt 36 hours away!

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Posted by: UPSIDEDOWN

Cannondaletech! That was a great reply.

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Posted by: UPSIDEDOWN

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Originally posted by: prairievenom
THE FASTES PRODUCTION QUAD WILL BE THE KFX700 AND IT WILL SOUND THE BEST

RAPTORS SUCK IV'E SMOKED ONE WITH MY STOCK P650

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When will Susuki have them ready to sale for Kawasaki. Just kidding!
Try to laugh you'll feel better.

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Posted by: UPSIDEDOWN

I forgot! What was the Question?

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Posted by: MXBanshee07

IT HAS BEEN PROVEN!! FASTEST TOP-END MACHINE IS THE BANSHEE. NOTHING ACCELS IT. THE GAS GAS IM SORRY TO SAY IS NOT FASTER TOP-END. AND THE CANNONDALE'S WELL FOR 12 G'S ID HOPE THERE FASTER BUT TOP-END THERE NOT AND THEY FILED FOR CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY. SORRY BUT FOR TRAILS A RAPTOR BUT WIDE OPEN I WOULDNT BUY ANYTHING OTHER THAN A BANSHEE.

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Posted by: MXBanshee07

FIREHAWK! LEARN TO READ! DIRT WHEELS ISSUE OF THE HIGH PERFORMANCE TESTS BANSHEE WAS THE FASTEST WITH A TOP SPEED OF 78.1 I BELIEVE. AND IF YOU WHERE EVEN SMARTER YOU WOULD HAVE READ THAT A BANSHEE AND A RAPTOR IN THE LOND RUN WELL IS NO RACE, YES THEY BEAT ME 1-3 GEAR BUT I GAIN AND ACCEL EVERY SHIFT AFTER. AND PREDATORS ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME SPEED. I WORK FOR POLARIS AND MANUFACTURE THERE SPRINGS. BANSHEE HAS MORE OF A TOP-END PUNCH. WE DONT MODIFY SO WE CAN KEEP UP, WE MODIFY BECAUSE BANSHEE'S WERE MADE TO BE MODIFIED, I MEAN ITS NOT LIKE YOU COULD KEEP UP ANYWAYS? J/K BUT BANSHEE'S ARE FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: MXBanshee07

2002 high performance shootout. Yamaha Banshee top-speed 77.1 MPH out of the friggin crate, 2003 high performance shoot-out yamaha banshee rated the fastest accelerating machine out of the ones tested and had the best top-end. Yeah so umm wanna give me your address so i can send this arcticle to you, oh and the raptor was right behind the banshee.

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Posted by: MXBanshee07

it was tested against, alba piped raptor, alba piped z-400, piped DS-650, alba cannondale moto 440 and of course the all mighty piped banshee, the issue is january 2003 the shootout starts on page 160, guess who won all the drag races? The banshee. Ok now read this. issue of atv action hi performance shootout between raptor, cannibal, DS-650, 400 ex and banshee top-end speed test on the banshee was an incredible 77.7 mph on gps system, next in line was the raptor at 76.9, oh this was from march 2002.

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Posted by: MXBanshee07

I dont think you understand where im coming from. My freind designed the suspension for the Predator I rode it at the factory, and yes it was broken in, i will admit it beat my up to 4th gear then we were dead even the rest of the way.

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Posted by: MXBanshee07

Yeah? my first post said i think it was around like 78 but it was really 77.7? Ask any perfomance shop how fast it goes and they will tell you, as matter of fact go to bansheehq.com and ask. Oh and read this arcticle from dirt wheels issue jan. 2003 for the best acceleration and drag race winner, " While there was some debate about how the power came on, there was disputing that the banshee has the best kick in the pants horsepower of the bunch. For pure sand slinging acceleration it was rated the top-dog in our comparison." So honestly i dont care if you dont believe me but call and see the banshee tops out at 77.7 and this is straight from ATV action.

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Posted by: MXBanshee07

I will write this one more time. Atv Action STOCK Hi performance shoot-out top speeds, Yamaha Banshee 77.7 MPH, Raptor 76.9, Ds-650 baja 76.1, cannibal 75.1, 400 ex 66.8 mph. You can Email either dirt wheels or atv action to get the truth on top-speeds.

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Posted by: joe1l

dirt wheels just did a high performance shoot out between the z400, raptor, pretator, and canondale....Will I would rule out cdale due to the chapter 11 issues, your then left with the raptor, predator, and z400....drag race...raptor, mx race...predator or z400... most future potential....Raptor, Curtis Sparks makes a 690 kit for it that is absolutely insane ( http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=293742 ) you can read about it here.
buy a quad with the most potential and that suits your riding.
Joe

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Posted by: joe1l

Hey sherlock, if you read the original post the guy specifically said "The purchase is between z400, Cannibal, Raptor, Predator." No S**t the banshee is the fastest, but it wasn't one of his options.....after all i should know, I DO OWN ONE!!!!!

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Posted by: 2004ds650

not dirt girl! dont listen to her

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Posted by: dirtgirl

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Originally posted by: prairievenom
THE FASTES PRODUCTION QUAD WILL BE THE KFX700 AND IT WILL SOUND THE BEST


NO you are wrong there - fastest stock production quad ever made is the LT500R Quadzilla. You aren't going to beat a 500cc 2-stroke with a 700cc 4-stroke (not to mention that one is going to have an auto tranny and shaft drive just like the Prairie - they are even going to allow the KFX700 to run in the open utility class in AMA racing if that tells you anything. It is basically a hopped up Prairie with better suspension and sport plastic.

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Yes you are right I think it is like the equivalent to a 500cc 2-stroke is somewhere close to 990cc 4-stroke. Not totally sure on the exact number though it is just a little less than twice the cc.

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Yeah I would love to see if the Gas Gas is actually faster than the Zilla I think that would be interesting to find out.. The Gas Gas is impressive though and it definitely handles better than the Zilla... I would just be curious to see which one is better in a straight line though...One day you should bring your Gas Gas out here to my place and we could try it out...

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Hey whenever you get all the bugs worked out let me know hopefully by then I will have the bugs worked out of the Zilla too (it is overheating too)...

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Yeah this is true. HP numbers are exaggerated on cars for insurance reasons and the same is true for quads...

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Fastest stock quad in an open area or in straight line racing has got to be the Quadzilla, I mean come on now, it is a 500cc 2-stroke... BR>You know what they say - "there is no replacement for displacement"...

OH BTW I heard from a guy who bought one of those KFX700s that it was pretty fast from 0-40 and could beat a lot of stock quads off the line... the only problem with it was that it topped out at like 48 mph.... Must be geared awfully low and being that it is a shaft drive, there isn't a lot you can do about that..

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Posted by: dirtgirl

I dunno about all that.. There aren't a lot of cars out there (stock) that will touch my 1969 Camaro on top end (been there raced it and I KNOW ... and before you ask yes, my Camaro is still a stock ZL-1 car except fot the exhaust. I took it off because I want to keep it intact - how many 1969 cars do you know of that have the original factory exhaust that is still in good condition?) That, and my S-15 with its "outdated" 1970 LT-1 motor has been dynoed at 648 hp....

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Posted by: dirtgirl

I was talking about new cars actually... Which Boss are you referring to? 1970... 302 or the 429? Can't forget the 427 SOHC motor either...

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Posted by: dirtgirl

I am lucky but not a guy.... I got that car off of somebody who had no idea what it was or that is was anything special. I gave $2500 for it - the car had 17,000 original miles. My car has a 3.08 rear diff and tops out at 167 mph.... I know this because I got clocked by the popo... (I got let go with a warning though I have never seen any Neons that would go that fast...

My S-15 has 4.56 gears in it and yes it is definitely a 1/4 mile machine - it runs 10's in the 1/4....

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Well it IS stock I have all the dealer paperwork to prove it - it was an option. you could also get a 2.73 from the dealer if you ordered it that way. I know another guy who has a 1969 Z-28 that was ordered with 5.13 gears. He is the original owner of the car and that is how he wanted it.

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Posted by: dirtgirl

No I don't drag race mine for 4 reasons:
1. It isn't geared right for that.
2. It has no subframe connectors added to it and I don't want to twist the body..
3. It is still low mileage 23,000 actual right now and in immaculate condition - worth a lot of $$$ the way it is. I have been offered $50,000 for it already.
4. I built the S-15 for that.... If I am going ot be tearing up stuff I had rather it be something fairly common... Even though I have people wanting my truck all the time because in Ohio a 1989 model with no rust is a rare thing to find.

One day I would love to build a 1941 Willys and put a 427 SOHC in it and drag race that... Maybe one day when I have an extra hundred grand... If I was to actually win the lottery though I would go out and buy me a 60's model GT40....

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Fastest thing I have ever driven (1/4 mile) was a Pontiac Trans-am.. I got a best time out of it - 6.80 at 201... Don't worry - I know what you are thinkin... "YEAH RIGHT"... this was not really an actual Trans-am like normal people have on the street this one ran Pro Modified on the IHRA circuit. The guy who owns it was a friend of mine and he let me drive it when I was testing for my Super Gas competition license for the NHRA... Needless to say This car was a little faster than what I needed to pass that test since they only run 9.90 in that class in the 1/4 mile.. After I got all the test passes down he readjusted the throttle stop and let me make a full throttle run with it. That Lenco transmission in it took a little getting used to....

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Posted by: dirtgirl

yeah but we need to get back on topic before we get busted for those searching for ATV knowledge...

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Posted by: dirtgirl

NAH!! I don't listen to myself either half the time..

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Posted by: dirtgirl

I dunno about all that... I think the Zilla will break 80... I have never topped mine out yet but I bet it will run in the 90's....

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Yeah that Gas Gas will smoke a lot of quads I am still waiting to find out how well it hangs with a Zilla..

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Posted by: dirtgirl

I have a gold one and it is an automatic. Don't worry I don't drive it - it is in climate-controlled storage...

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Howler,
Obviously you have never had the honor of racing a Quadzilla... they are faster than the Banshee in stock form. I have ridden a Banshee and I own a Zilla, so I know how both of them run.

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Posted by: dirtgirl

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Originally posted by: leeroy
what ia m trying to say is that a 300 gas gas is a hell of a lot faster than a standard banshee ive lined them up but im not sure what the gg and zilla would bi like up against each other

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Well hopefully when I get my Zilla back together we will be able to find out. I know a guy who has a Wild 300 and I been wanting to run him. Those Gas Gas quads are fast and as far as powerwise they are the closest to having the same power as the Zilla.

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Originally posted by: VFORCEMAN700
THE fastest stock quad is a V-Force they pill about 85 stock no lies ill race you anyday i have raced guys with 250r's, etc and smoked them beacause they think a 2-stroke will burn a 4-stroke... well they were wrong.

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I know a guy who has one with GPS on it and he said that it would out-accelerate a lot of quads (even his friend's Raptor) but once it topped out (at 46mph) they would pass him. I also hate to say it, but there are faster quads out there than a 250R...

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Originally posted by: lt250r91
Dirtgirl

Just about got all the bugs out of mine. Going to finish breaking the engine back in for tomorrows BUCCS race. We'll have to get together and settle this issue when both of us have a day to do it.

Hey maybe Before or after the final round of the BUCCS series. Aug 2 at Crow Canyon? Since it near you right?
Let me know.

Mike

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Yeah that is close to me.. hopefully I will have it all together by then. It should be, but you never know.. I have been wanting to find out about this for a while, and it seems like there are other people wondering the same thing....

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Posted by: dirtgirl

I am still waiting to see how the YZF quad is going to stack up... I hear it is supposed to be pretty awesome.

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Nope Quadzilla is the fastest...

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Posted by: dirtgirl

Also need to add something here... The Quadzilla is great for drag racing, duning, and hillclimbing; but not that great in the woods compared to some of the other quads out there - it is a little bit on the big side for the tighter trails.. As far as the new quads go, I think it would be hard to find a better quad than the YZF450...

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Posted by: monster650baja

I think this is a no brainer, just get the DS650Baja, a pipe and jet kit and you'll have all the power you will ever need, and a high performance as well as real cushy ride.....

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Posted by: monster650baja

The zilla eats C-dales for lunch, and I'm not hawking my own bike they are just plain fast.







mine-02,DS650Baja
piped&jetted
carb&mani
v10-cdi box

hers-trx250ex
piped&jetted

daughters-trx-400ex
piped&jetted
trick carb

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Posted by: leeroy

WAKE UP ive rid them all the cannondale, banshees in standard and tuned form etc etc and the gas gas 300 smokes them all from low down to top end.

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Posted by: leeroy

ive also rid a zilla and it will smoke a banshee. but i noticed that there was one quad you forgot about there the gas gas 300. banshee doesnt even come close.

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Posted by: leeroy

what ia m trying to say is that a 300 gas gas is a hell of a lot faster than a standard banshee ive lined them up but im not sure what the gg and zilla would bi like up against each other

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Posted by: leeroy

Has any of you guys rid a stock gas gas? i think not cause if you s had then i wouldnt be reading what i am. Dont talk about this or that is the best stock bike out of the box until you had rid them all. Maybe you ll still prefer your honda`s predator`s or yamaha`s but dont knock it to you ve tried it. I have tried them all in stock form and in my mind the gas gas simply out classes all off them. After all it comes with 19 1/4" shocks the same as a leager or any other aftermarket frames it is fully widened not like the rest where there is an inch here or there. It truly is a race ready quad out of the box with all the power you need for moto x or forest whatever you prefer. So please ride them all then make up your decisions. For me it gas gas all the way, it is the replacement 250r everyone has been waiting for super light super fast and one of the best handling quads on todays market.

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Posted by: PmanX8

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Originally posted by: mountainman10
Canondale, cannondale, cannondale. Stock against stock no machine can touch it except for maybe the new gas gas. But it is so new there are no comparisons on it. And I love the c-dale on the trails.

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LOL, youve never raced against a predator have you?

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Posted by: PmanX8

Hmm, HP numbers mean nothing if the Vehicle or Quad isnt geared right. ive seen 600 HP Cars get beat By 350-400 HP cars, and 30-60 HP quads beat 90+ HP quads, so Numbers on paper are just to get people to lean towards certain products. and never take for Granted that the more HP something has, the faster it is. Because HP isnt the only thing that makes vehicles fast.

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Originally posted by: CdaleFaithful
fastest stock quad and best technology is the cannondales.

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LMAO, You obviously havent seen or Raced the Predator have you. Crawl out of the Cannondale Hole and See that they have been Beat.

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Posted by: PmanX8

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Originally posted by: dirtgirl
I dunno about all that.. There aren't a lot of cars out there (stock) that will touch my 1969 Camaro on top end (been there raced it and I KNOW ... and before you ask yes, my Camaro is still a stock ZL-1 car except fot the exhaust. I took it off because I want to keep it intact - how many 1969 cars do you know of that have the original factory exhaust that is still in good condition?) That, and my S-15 with its "outdated" 1970 LT-1 motor has been dynoed at 648 hp....

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Hmm, a 69' Boss will!

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Posted by: PmanX8

Hmm, if im not mistaken, (in which i am NOT) this is an "ATV" Forum, not a "Ford, dodge, Pontaic, chevy" Forum (in order from best to worst)

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Originally posted by: PmanX8
Hmm, if im not mistaken, (in which i am NOT) this is an "ATV" Forum, not a "Ford, dodge, Pontaic, chevy" Forum (in order from best to worst)

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if you dont like it, then dont read it.

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Thats ok, i read whatever i want to.

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Posted by: PmanX8

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Originally posted by: danyeod
I rode a Raptor a few weeks ago and i couldn't wait to get back on my Cannibal. Yes they are tippy, i shouldn't have to give it more body english to keep it from tippin over. Even if it's not tippy it made me feel like it was and that didn't give me confidence. Way too much vibration on the handlebars. And sorry, i felt like my Cannibal pulled harder. The Cannibal just feels soo much better, nice and low and wide, low weight and tons of high reving power. I know the Raptor has more upgrade potential but soo what! I don' t get paid to beat anyone in a race so i am not dumping another thousand on my quad.
And PXman. Do you own a Predator? Have you raced a Dale on your Predator? A cannibal and Predator are pretty close, i have never raced a Pred but you know that this race can go either way with rider ability and traction variables. And i don't like to glorify magazine shootouts but i have read 2 different shootouts from ATV rider or ATV sport, can't remember. They test them both with a radar gun and the Cannibal is faster 0-45 and faster up a dune, but the Pred is close.

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I dont own a Pred "yet", but i plan on it within a year. But i have seen them in action, im not saying they are faster than a Cannondale, but a Cannondale is not faster than a pred iether, ill call them equal. But "ATV connection" themselves called the pred "faster" although not by much at all. im not bashing the Connondale at all dude, but the Pred can hold its own against "ANYTHING".

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Posted by: Ndoggie

i dissagree the fastest has got to be the ds650 baja. with a fat boy 4 pipe itl smoke that banshee okay maybe you should listen to what i say you might learn something

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Posted by: Ndoggie

get a 700 kawasaki it runs great never lets me down i won three national leages on one. or get a 400EX and upgrade it to a 600 the 600 runs like a dream

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Posted by: CdaleFaithful

fastest stock quad and best technology is the cannondales.

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Posted by: dsracer666

ds

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Posted by: DuneRaptor

Raptor all the way!!! Next i think banshee if you want to be servicing it all the time, but you can;'t really compare 2 stroke to 4 stroke

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Posted by: danyeod

I rode a Raptor a few weeks ago and i couldn't wait to get back on my Cannibal. Yes they are tippy, i shouldn't have to give it more body english to keep it from tippin over. Even if it's not tippy it made me feel like it was and that didn't give me confidence. Way too much vibration on the handlebars. And sorry, i felt like my Cannibal pulled harder. The Cannibal just feels soo much better, nice and low and wide, low weight and tons of high reving power. I know the Raptor has more upgrade potential but soo what! I don' t get paid to beat anyone in a race so i am not dumping another thousand on my quad.
And PXman. Do you own a Predator? Have you raced a Dale on your Predator? A cannibal and Predator are pretty close, i have never raced a Pred but you know that this race can go either way with rider ability and traction variables. And i don't like to glorify magazine shootouts but i have read 2 different shootouts from ATV rider or ATV sport, can't remember. They test them both with a radar gun and the Cannibal is faster 0-45 and faster up a dune, but the Pred is close.

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Posted by: SpinCycle

Het dirtgirl, I'm curious as to which ZL-1 that you have? As far as I know there are only 45 or so known cars left, 22 of those being automatics. Car #38 just went up for auction a few weeks ago and was bought by a private collector for $165K, and that was considered cheap. It is a green car with an auto and some questionable paperwork. If you indeed have an aluminum block 427 in your camaro you should deffinately not drive it, the value is too great and they are too easy to steal

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Posted by: SpinCycle

YFZ450..

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