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Posted by: georged
I emailed letters to my state reps supporting the bill with the explanation of being tired of underage riders
without parents trying to trespass on my land and then becoming unpleasant when denied that permission. I'm far from being alone in that opinion which includes other landowners subject to liability claims when a child or youth is injured. I can prosecute adults for trespassing and they know that but the kids are turned over to their parents with in most instances no lesson learned. Hopefully the bill will pass.
Posted by: georged
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Originally posted by: SandDawg
I understand your frustration with young riders trespassing on your land. It's a shame that the actions of a few inconsiderate trespassers are causing landowners to take action that will keep our youth from riding in designated public areas. If this bill passes lots of families are going to leave the sport because their kids aren't old enough to ride. Kids will spend less time on the dunes with thier families and have more time for mischeif. I am not supporting Senate Bill 49 because it is not good for our youth and is harmful to our sport.
I consider parents responsible for the actions of their minor children. This bill will allow citations to be issued against the parents of those minors. Equipment confiscation will hopefully be included to affect the parents the only place that seemingly brings any response from them, their wallets.
Posted by: georged
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Originally posted by: SandDawg
I agree parents are responsible for the actions of their minor children. This legislation will require a lot of kids to leave the sport or break the law. The sad thing is they are much more likely to break the law on your private land where there are no cops then they are in designated riding areas where there may be law enforcement. Given that people are already breaking the law by trespassing on your land, I wouldn't be surprised if your problem gets much worse if this legislation passes. Good luck!
They don't often try anymore as I now have electronic surveillance with motion and sound detection on the only real entry point with a sign 'video surveillance uploaded to remote site' right above the posted sign that deters all but the very stupid. It's on an IP network with our home security system and if we're not home monitored by a security firm with a line to the sheriff's dispatch office. The big challenge was deer setting off the motion detectors but we turned that around by decreasing the sensitivity to detect only solid masses like steel with directional sound detection providing camera activity. Deer are pretty quiet compared to ATVs/dirt bikes. Two neighbors have the same type of system and word does get around.
Posted by: georged
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Originally posted by: GixerStyle
I can certainly appreciate your position and how this bill would benefit YOU.
Thinking in larger terms and the greater good, not only will this measure take away a great family experience for those with children who may now ride, or are preparing to ride, it will also remove a significant market for businesses who cater to riders.
I wish to appeal to those who were raised riding on their own private land, OR public.
This bill oversteps the existing tresspassing laws set out to protect landowners from unwelcome riders. It does so in that it makes it illegal for youth to ride on their OWN private LAND. Not to mention, a consideration of interpretation of this measure could make a case for making the city owned MX track un-usable for competition for youth. What will that do to the potential talent that comes from our "great" sate of Oregon? It appears to me that it will stifle competitive growth, or force racers and enthusiasts to go out of state to ride.
Do we need more broad strokes like this to govern a sport that's already in a stranglehold?
In a stranglehold due to a questionable percentage of destructive riders who set the public eye example and parents who do not monitor the activities of their minor children. I'd think the private land stipulation will be eliminated and I'd certainly support that, but too many parents, many of whom are city dwellers, dump young kids, especially teens, off on private/ public land as a babysitter technique. In that respect dirt bikes are the most common violators, but ATVs are also involved.
Posted by: georged
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Originally posted by: SandDawg
Good news! It looks like the bill was modified to allow kids to ride on private property but not public land. This legislation that you supported now does nothing above current law to ban kids from riding on your land. It also makes your land more attractive for kids to ride on because as you said, the consequences for trespassing are almost nill. I guess it's time for you to spend more of your $$ on surveillance systems to notify the sheriff when somebody rides on your land. I'm sure he has nothing better to do then rush out and chase kids away. lol
Hasn't happened but once since the security and signs were installed, but we are still in winter. I live in the country and city people can't get ATVs or dirt bikes here without a trailer, which eliminates all but the very stupid. If necessary, and I don't feel it will be at this point, I'll add armed response to my security company contract and the sheriff's department will have to respond to the immediate security company response and detainment of trespassers that I'll have my lawyer sue for terrain damage, as permitted under Oregon's trespassing legislation. I'm done with it. There's always a way to legally avoid unnecessary annoyance.
Posted by: GixerStyle
Many of you recall the proposed bill to make riding ATV's by children and to make it illegal to sell ATV's for that intended use. Pass it on to your MC dealers and friends
The AMA is organizing a rally in Salem to peacefully oppose this bill.
Even if you don't have children, but recognize the influence riding has had on your life, or the lives of your colleagues, you're encouraged to attend the rally in support of stopping this bill.
Here's the details of the rally copied from an email. More info
Plan to attend this peaceful gathering of ATV enthusiasts from 3:00 to 5:00pm on Tuesday the 13th of February at the Capitol Steps, Salem, Oregon.
Please bring posters and signs showing you support this imprtant family recreation. No additional quads or bikes will be allowed due to the permit (but a truck/trailer loaded with them parked on the street looks great). If your group has any safety information to share with the public please bring that as well. You will need plenty of quarters to feed the meters. Please encourage all that attend to be respectful .....best foot forward.... Questions?? Call Linda at 503-394-2180 or email minten@gotsky.com
Here's the alert from the AMA.
Oregon Bill SB 49 Could Eliminate All Youth ATV and Motorcycle Riding Statewide
Information Alert Oppose SB 49, which seeks to outlaw ATV and Motorcycle riding for all youth under age 12 Take Action!
Attention Oregon AMA members, send an email today to your congressman letting them know you and your family enjoy recreating together and opposes this legislation. SB 49 would ban all youth riders, age 12 and under, from motorcycle and ATV riding, even on private property, and limit riders under age 16 to vehicles 90 cc's or less.
The full text of Senate Bill 49 can be found here: http://www.leg.state.or.us/07reg/mea...049.intro.html
This legislation has been proposed without any consultation with the Oregon riding community, the AMA, industry or even state parks. The motorized community must be given an opportunity to weigh in on this legislation prior to it being introduced. Use the take action email message to make your feelings known, and also be sure to let other riders know about this important issue.
Posted by: GixerStyle
I can certainly appreciate your position and how this bill would benefit YOU.
Thinking in larger terms and the greater good, not only will this measure take away a great family experience for those with children who may now ride, or are preparing to ride, it will also remove a significant market for businesses who cater to riders.
I wish to appeal to those who were raised riding on their own private land, OR public.
This bill oversteps the existing tresspassing laws set out to protect landowners from unwelcome riders.
It does so in that it makes it illegal for youth to ride on their OWN private LAND.
Not to mention, a consideration of interpretation of this measure could make a case for making the city owned MX track un-usable for competition for youth.
What will that do to the potential talent that comes from our "great" sate of Oregon?
It appears to me that it will stifle competitive growth, or force racers and enthusiasts to go out of state to ride.
Do we need more broad strokes like this to govern a sport that's already in a stranglehold?
dj from the People's Republic of Portland
Posted by: GixerStyle
Reminder,
Oregon riders are encouraged to oppose SB 49, which seeks to outlaw ATV and motorcycle riding for all youth under age 12. SB 49 would ban all youth riders, age 12 and under, from motorcycle and ATV riding, even on private property, and limit riders under age 16 to vehicles 90 cc's or less.
The full text of Senate Bill 49 can be found at www.leg.state.or.us. This legislation has been proposed without any consultation with the Oregon riding community, the AMA, industry or even state parks. The motorized community must be given an opportunity to weigh in on this legislation prior to it being introduced. Use the AMA StateWatch section of www.AMADirectlink.com to email your message making your feelings known, and also be sure to let other riders know about this important issue.
Posted by: SandDawg
I understand your frustration with young riders trespassing on your land. It's a shame that the actions of a few inconsiderate trespassers are causing landowners to take action that will keep our youth from riding in designated public areas. If this bill passes lots of families are going to leave the sport because their kids aren't old enough to ride. Kids will spend less time on the dunes with thier families and have more time for mischeif. I am not supporting Senate Bill 49 because it is not good for our youth and is harmful to our sport.
Posted by: SandDawg
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Originally posted by: georged
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Originally posted by: SandDawg
I understand your frustration with young riders trespassing on your land. It's a shame that the actions of a few inconsiderate trespassers are causing landowners to take action that will keep our youth from riding in designated public areas. If this bill passes lots of families are going to leave the sport because their kids aren't old enough to ride. Kids will spend less time on the dunes with thier families and have more time for mischeif. I am not supporting Senate Bill 49 because it is not good for our youth and is harmful to our sport.
I consider parents responsible for the actions of their minor children. This bill will allow citations to be issued against the parents of those minors. Equipment confiscation will hopefully be included to affect the parents the only place that seemingly brings any response from them, their wallets.
Posted by: SandDawg
I agree parents are responsible for the actions of their minor children. This legislation will require a lot of kids to leave the sport or break the law. The sad thing is they are much more likely to break the law on your private land where there are no cops then they are in designated riding areas where there may be law enforcement. Given that people are already breaking the law by trespassing on your land, I wouldn't be surprised if your problem gets much worse if this legislation passes. Good luck!
Posted by: SandDawg
Good news! It looks like the bill was modified to allow kids to ride on private property but not public land. This legislation that you supported now does nothing above current law to ban kids from riding on your land. It also makes your land more attractive for kids to ride on because as you said, the consequences for trespassing are almost nill. I guess it's time for you to spend more of your $$ on surveillance systems to notify the sheriff when somebody rides on your land. I'm sure he has nothing better to do then rush out and chase kids away. lol
Posted by: Sandflicker
It's a shame you are dealing with kids invading your land - but how many of them are under 12 years old.
My bet, this bill will do nothing to help that problem.
Posted by: Sandflicker
Senate Bill 49 "Kyles Law". Here are various quotes from Sue Rabe, Kyle's mom, member of Safe Kids and ATV Safety, and the source from which it was obtained.
We have all documentation if needed. Please read what she has said, then read just below to the contract she completed stating she wouldn't allow anyone under 18 to operate the ATV. She also declined free safety training for her family.... Your comments are appreciated! More comparisons and information is available. Thank you, Lindy
Did the dealer really fail to inform her???
"We were horribly uninformed" said DeLoretto-Rabe of Turner, Ore
assoc. press Elizabeth Wolfe
The dealer they visited sold them an adult-size machine with full knowledge that Kyle would use it
The Vroom Report
and did little to warn the Rabes about the dangers of ATVs.
The Vroom Report
never thought the dealer would sell them an ATV that wasn't safe for Kyle to ride
Corporate Crime Reporter
Rabe says its easy to ignore warning stickers, especially if dealer don't mention them"
Kids Death Spur ATV backlash
Our dealer too shares the blame
letter to me
He picked out the machine for us and fit Kyle on it when he was only eight
letter to me
His mother said the salesman never mentioned the potential dangers.
assoc. press Elizabeth Wolfe
"The dealer came to our house and trained him on it."
Kids Death Spur ATV backlash
If the dealer didn't sell us a 250cc for Kyle to ride but instead a 90cc, he would be here today enjoying life?
letter 2/7
a careless and deadly mistake on our part for trusting the dealer
letter 2/7
He (dealer) sold us a helmet and trained our son
letter to me
If I had known the danger, I never would have let Lyle ride the machine"
Kids Death Spur ATV backlash
If the Atv industry's approach to safety actually worked, Kyle would be here today because he would never have been on that ATV.
The Vroom Report
This lack of information can have a devastating impact on America's family ( referring to the dealer)
The Vroom Report
"the industry needs to make it impossible for a child to ride an adult size ATV, or we need to make laws so they can't"
19 Corporate Crime Reporter
It would have saved our son's life if there had been a law that said he was too small..(Sue)
Corporate Crime Reporter
Because there was no law prohibiting it, the Rabes thought is was safe.
Corporate Crime Reporter
Please see the attached purchase contract to see how informed she was..
She promised not to let anyone under 18 ride it and she declined the free safety training offered!!
I have a copy of her signed contract but don't know how to up load it here.
