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Posted by: Hybrid4x4
I have wheel spacers on my Scrambler which push the rear wheels out a little over 50" if I remember correctly. I have never been hassled by a DNR warden or a police officer when I have been trail riding. The only time I noticed the width was when riding around some areas on the Jackson and Clark County trails because they have steel gates up that allow areas of the trails to be closed. The gates are a little over 50" wide so it was close going, but I made it through and did not rub.
If worse comes to worse you can always go around the gates if needed.
Posted by: yellowrider250ex
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Originally posted by: IL0VELAMP
Hey guys, thanks for all the input, but hoyt34 your looking at the wheelbase, not the width. The lt r450 is the only one with the width over 48. wheelbase is front to back. Anyone have any idea how to shorten if by an inch?
They make swing arms that are shorter.
Posted by: Rhinofrank
Hey guys I ride in Michigan's UP and there aren't any restrictions on anything. Off Road Vehicle. I've purchased ORV stickers. Rhinofrank.
Posted by: Rhinofrank
Excellent summary ATVrider. Before buying my rhino in 2004 I looked into my home state's regulations and contacted a few atv clubs. It was clear to me that if I expected to ride in Wisconsin, I could only ride on forest roads or private property. All the atv clubs I contacted said no to a side-by side. Perhaps a few clubs may change their opinions on s/s, especially if a few key members buy s/s. With all the models clearly s/s are here to stay. The way I see it the Razor will not be allowed by Wisconsin because it also does not meet the seating definition.....a seat designed to be straddled by the operator . It will be interesting for a new Razor owner to register their s/s if possible.... only not be allowed on state trails. This reminds me of the early 70's when we used to ride our enduro's on trails also used by snowmobiles, usually when the snow was abscent. is it possible we are too regulated? Snowmobiles are great, is everyone aware of what a fully studded track on a high hp machine can do to almost anything? I propose 50" width for snowmobile trails or is that silly? Possibly the state will be influenced by registration fees again. love WI. Have fun! Rhinofrank
Posted by: DeeDawg
Originally posted by trailbound: .....Got to love the state that is home to Polaris and AC. I think they may have some pull.
Perhaps they do, but they didn't have enough pull to keep their watercraft business afloat (pun intended!!!).
Posted by: OHVAdvocate
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Not to argue, but what about the new polaris ranger rzr. I think the stock width is 50".
You're right, the claimed stock width of the yet-to-be-released RZR is 50". But WI's ATV definition covers more than width (complete definition below):
All-terrain vehicle (ATV) -- An engine-driven device which has a net weight of 900 pounds or less, which has a width of 48 inches or less, which is equipped with a seat designed to be straddled by the operator and which is designed to travel on 3 or more low-pressure tires. A low-pressure tire is a tire which has a minimum width of 6 inches, which is designed to be mounted on a rim with a maximum diameter of 12 inches and which is designed to be inflated with an operating pressure not to exceed 6 pounds per square inch as recommended by the manufacturer. (NOTE: the machine must meet all qualification restrictions.)
So the RZR does NOT meet the WI definition for an ATV on width, weight, and straddle seating -- note that ALL aspects of the definition must be met.
Posted by: trailbound
Yea, I just put offset wheels on my Quad and its over 50" We rode last summer and never got hassled in WI.
Posted by: trailbound
Not to argue, but what about the new polaris ranger rzr. I think the stock width is 50".
Posted by: trailbound
I bet they will be on the trail anyway, in Minnesota at least. We now have three multi use areas for OHM, ATV, and ORV. This year Minnesota has classified anything that weighs between 900 and 1500 dry as an ATV class II. Got to love the state that is home to Polaris and AC. I think they may have some pull. No width restrictions, or seating arangements here. Has to have 4-6 flotation tires, and depends on ccs and weight.
Posted by: trailbound
DeeDawg, Thats ok about the watercraft, I live in the one part of Minnesota where there are no lakes. Got 12" snow last night. Am working full time National guard right now ADSW and may have to help out with this monster storm, Yea right. Hit 10 years this month, 3 years active , 7 years guard, 3 years DoD while in the guard. Sorry i'm Army.
Posted by: IL0VELAMP
Anyone here know that in WI an ATV must maintain a wheelbase under 48". My LT-R450 comes stock at 50.6 inches. What a kick in the nuts. Do you think they would give me trouble with that?
Posted by: IL0VELAMP
Hey guys, thanks for all the input, but hoyt34 your looking at the wheelbase, not the width. The lt r450 is the only one with the width over 48. wheelbase is front to back. Anyone have any idea how to shorten if by an inch?
Posted by: IL0VELAMP
good point, they might have the width set at a specific number to rule out side by sides.
Posted by: ctateusa1
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Originally posted by: yellowrider250ex
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Originally posted by: IL0VELAMP
Hey guys, thanks for all the input, but hoyt34 your looking at the wheelbase, not the width. The lt r450 is the only one with the width over 48. wheelbase is front to back. Anyone have any idea how to shorten if by an inch?
They make swing arms that are shorter.
He is looking to shorten the width I believe, I think you would have to go with a custom axle and possibly front swing arms, or buy rims with a different offset.
Posted by: jkane13
I doubt it, but you never know! The reason for that width is the width of the trails. Imagine two huge quads meeting on the top of a hill at top speed! They would smash since the trail isn't wide enough for both at the same time. I can picture in my head a perfect place where this could happen. The trail is sunk in a bit at the top of the hill, so there are "walls" on either side. It's only 8 feet wide too. Even going slow, two regular ATV's almost rub tires.
Shame on Suzuki for making it that wide. But I bet it's stable!
Posted by: Hoyt34
I also live in WI and i had no clue about that lol...They shouldnt give you any trouble unless you give them a reason..
Posted by: Hoyt34
Ok i just looked at some other quads wheelbases out of curiosity....all of these are over 48"...Z400, 450R, 400EX, YFZ, 700 Raptor..thats just a few i checked out and im sure there are plent of Utility ATV's that are over 48"...kinda wierd....
Posted by: oscarwi
Yes the new suzuki is illegal in WI. This question was brought up at the Wisconsin ATV Associations website. You can read about it here.
http://forums.watva.org/Topic1338-36-1.aspx
Posted by: oscarwi
I wasnt trying to argue the width here. I just remembered reading about in on the WATVA site. I thought you guys might find it interesting. I think the DNR doesn't want to have to police the manufacturers, or the dealers. That would be hard for them to do with all of the models out there from each manufacturer. I'm sure the dealers are not going to tell you it is an illegal quad as it may affect some of their sales. Sometimes I wish they would change the width limit, but if they did that the manufacturers would increase the size of the machine. It would be a never ending cycle. There is a great forum thread on this very issue on watva's site. You can read it here.
http://forums.watva.org/Topic5419-12-1.aspx
The real reason I even registered on this site was to put the announcement on here about the online atv petition for Vilas County Wisconsin. Please if you guys havent checked it out please do so. It is in this section of the forums as well as at WATVAs site. Please send an e-mail to all ATV enthusiasts you know. Please help support our sport.
Posted by: AVTrider
Michigan has the same law of 50 inches or less on the ORV trails. The DNR come up with this number when the first Side by Side ORV's came out. (Kawasaki Mule, John Deer Gator, etc..) This eliminated the use of all these type of machines on the narrow ORV trails. If you are ridding an ATV you should not have any problems out on the trails, even if your ATV is a little over 50" wide.
Posted by: AVTrider
Michigan classifies the trails in four different catagories: ORV Route (vehicals over 50"wide), CCCT (cross country cycle trail), Cycle Trail, and Forest Trails (ATV on triangle). Even though they have a ATV on the triangle the state actually classifies the (ATV) trails as ORV Trail or Forest Trails, This allows the trails to be open to any ORV less than 50" wide and shorter than 72". Here is the answer to a question that was posted on the DNR web site for MI. They asked about taking a golf cart out on the (ATV) ORV Trail.
Yes, a golf cart can be considered an ORV depending on how and where it is being operated.
A golf cart may be operated on state ORV trails if it displays a valid ORV license and the operator is wearing the required protective equipment and the golf cart is less than 50 inches in width. If it is more than 50 inches in width, then use is restricted to forest roads open to ORV use. Many trails would most likely be too rough for comfortable golf cart use.
Statutory definition of an ORV:
?ORV? or ?vehicle? means a motor driven off-road recreation vehicle capable of cross-country travel without benefit of a road or trail, on or immediately over land, snow, ice, marsh, swampland, or other natural terrain. ORV or vehicle includes, but is not limited to, a multitrack or multiwheel drive vehicle, an ATV, a motorcycle or related 2-wheel, 3-wheel, or 4-wheel vehicle, an amphibious machine, a ground effect air cushion vehicle, or other means of transportation deriving motive power from a source other than muscle or wind
