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Posted by: OffRder15
Ted Nugent rides a Polaris.
Get him a beer.
Posted by: Dragginbutt
Yeah.. about the only thing I'd add to that is that I have no patience for people who think their opinion is the only one to have. IF they think it is so valuable, they should keep it for themselves, instead of giving it away to the rest of us... and jus tin case you don't understand that... what I am saying is people need to recognise that others have opinions too, and they are just as passionate about them... the really important trait that a man can learn is to listen to everyone... understand what they are saying, and take the good points from them... and be willing to change your views on a subject if you find one that makes more sense.
Tollerance is another virtue that is needed.
Posted by: KGB
I have read that quote before, and I do believe its Ted Nugent.
That is a good American...
Posted by: 03P360
I completely agree
Posted by: Quad4Fun
Absoluely true. The sad thing is that this country is in such a state that none of that will ever happen. If you bring any of those topics up to any of the people that is/would be affected by them, you are the one that is wrong. You are the racist, you are prejudice, you are the bad guy. That sucks.
Anyway, I have a lot to say about this, but I'll save you all the time of reading it.
There are lots of people that think this way I'm sure.
Posted by: Customfabandweld
Hellhound's got it figured out, for sure, and I agree with every livin thing he said. I'm glad to see htere are other people who think like I do.
Posted by: Customfabandweld
Tdelong, you're right on about the Boy Scout issue. A Private Org. has the right to determine who should be in their group. Good analogy about joining an athiest group and being denied the right to hold a prayer. The way this country is going just really irks me. And don't even get me started on the ACLU.........
Posted by: Customfabandweld
The bottom line is if you are an athiest or g@y, don't join an orginization of which the belief in God is a central part. I would bet my life that if there was an athiest or g@y scout group, you wouldn't have a Christian complaining that he couldn't join.
Posted by: Customfabandweld
Doesn't the freedom of America create it's own unique problems? People from other countries wish they had our problems, I'm sure. I'm just glad we're still free to chose just what orginization we want to belong to.
Posted by: rescuediver
Well Said
Posted by: YamahaBlaster200
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Originally posted by: 250A1
Someone buy this man a beer.
U got it
Posted by: Sidewinder500
HellHound great post.....
There is actually a person running for president that pretty much stated what you just posted but because he isnt one of the 2 that can actually afford all the ads and to buy a spot in the debate no one knows who he is.
Posted by: bank
Now that's what we need!! More good old fashion common sense. When did we loose that anyway? Probably when all the left wing looney PC dopes took over!!!!!
Here's to America, if you don't like it get the hell out! I won't miss you one bit.
Posted by: irishmick
God bless you buddy. I'm 50 years old and a nam vet, but somehow I feel like this isn't even my country any more. I'm nto a crazy radical but I'm most cerently pissed with our lying politicians. We can't get our opinion in to any thingbecause we don't throw enough money around and grease the right palms.
Posted by: irishmick
The great thing about this country is that we can all have an opinion. Nobody may listen but at least you can speak most of the time.
Posted by: Bosch
Absolutely, positively, without a doubt, the most accuratr post i have ever seen on this site.
Bosch
Posted by: 250A1
Someone buy this man a beer.
Posted by: Cheapass
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Originally posted by: tdelong
I agree...and on the boy scouts issue add. Same goes for the g@ys in the boyscouts issue. Go form the g@y Scouts – then you have nothing to complain about; you&39;ll be with people who espouse your beliefs instead of making everyone bow down to yours or labeling them g@y bashers because they disagree with your point of view.
That isn't the whole of the issue. I was a scout leader, and my son a scout when they made that ruling. As I am an atheist, I was no longer allowed to be a scout leader.... My son continued for a little bit, then decided that he didn't want to be part of a group that would oust someone just because they didn't believe the same way.
Posted by: Cheapass
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Originally posted by: tdelong
I guess my question would be - you knew that the boy scouts was an organization founded on religous beliefs, why would you join in the first place if you are atheist? They espouse christian values (and many values that are not just tied to christian beliefs).
I'm not for or against any religion - but I just feel that if people don't like what it stands for they can go create something that matches what they want to participate in.
Because I, unlike them, was not bigoted about it. I accepted that, saw them as a good organization, and volunteered to help it out. Religion did not play in to my decision. They are the ones that decided that religious bigotry was the way to go, not me.
Posted by: Cheapass
Their decision cost them more than anything. Witht he loss of mee, the local troop could not keep going with the one other person left, so they disbanded.
It wasn't that we did not work out... we got along just fine. It was the sudden and unprovoked need of theirs to oust me and any like me that caused problems. Look at how many Eagles resigned/refused their Eagle after the ruling even though they were not themselves disqualified under the ruling.
An organization is the sum of the whole, and not the whim of a bunch of old farts that don't like anything different than them. They have, because of that decision, lost TONS of funding, support, and even the United Way, their main monetary source, has left it up to local chapters to deny or provide funding at their descretion. Many have denied funding, and the local branch had to cease operations due to lack of funding.
They are killing themselves due to their choice to discriminate on issues that are non-issues to their stance and mission. Boys are without something wholesome to occupy their time in many locations.
The only bright spot is those old farts will all die soon, and sane people have a chance of returning them to a good and open organization.
Posted by: Cheapass
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Originally posted by: tdelong
Cheapass - I do see your point and I do think it is a sad thing when a group pushed someone out (especially in your case as you sound like you really had a passion for it as did the kids) but thats THEIR belief and they have just as much right to it as you do to yours.
I never said they didn't have that right. I stated the cost that decision had to them, and moreso to the kids in the area.
Most of the boys went on with their lives. SOme became homebodys, some joined a sport. My son got a dirt bike and took up Dad's hobby. but all were hurt because of that decision, one that had no point or need. Based entirely upon religious bigotry.
And before anyone goes off half cocked, look up the word. It most certainly applies. Common useage has made the word a loaded one, and thus dilluting it's legitimate useage.
Posted by: PotatoJoe
Ordinarily I wouldn't read a post that long.....but that was worth every word! I couldn't have said it better!
Posted by: quadduck
Buy him a case a beer! Hey you better get some royalties from whichever country singer that reads your post and turns it into a #1 hit song!
Posted by: quadduck
TED NUGENT STILL ROCKS
Posted by: quadduck
He also drives Fords but I won't hold those two things against him, aren't sponcers great I' d love a free polaris, of course thats the only way I would have one
Posted by: quadduck
Hey I didn't realize that I was quot'n Mr. Carlin
Posted by: mywifesquad
Read it twice, can't find anything I disagree with.
Posted by: Powercat400
wow dude.... that post really brought a tear to my eye...
Posted by: spikeland
hellhound for president.hey i agree.also do you know who gets the most discriminated against in every way wether your talking about gender or race .the white middleclass male.we got it the worst.we cant get any breaks.just have to work hard and earn every penny only to give it to someone else other than ourselves.not fair but who is gonna listen.we dont have time to complain we are too busy working.
Posted by: SHAWNSCAT
the new constitution. all well said
Posted by: Teebone56
Actually the quote is George Carlins..............But Ted still ROCKS!
Posted by: Teebone56
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Originally posted by: quadduck
Hey I didn't realize that I was quot'n Mr. Carlinhr>
Yes actually from his latest book.............When will Jesus bring the Pork Chops.
Posted by: HELLHOUND
this really has nothing to do with atv issues but
Bet you stand up and say HELL YEAH! after you read this.
I like big cars, big atvs , big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for squirting out babies.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts!
I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion. I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers.
The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the UnitedCaucasianCollege Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70%of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.
I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I received sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn't be a private matter or my personal business. It would be "FIRED" immediately!
I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen you should have to speak English!.
My father and grandfather should not have died in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.
I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the order "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.
We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document and open to their interpretations.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television, and that doesn't stop you from watching them. I believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you..
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid and smack his/her little ass when necessary and say "NO".
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please stay home until that new lip ring heals, I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me french fries!
I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go along with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa, so how can they be "African Americans"?
Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe I am proud to be from America and no where else.
And if you don't like my point of view, tough!
GET OVER IT!!! WAKE UP WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A COUNTRY TO WAKE UP TO.
AMEN MY FRIEND!!!
Posted by: HELLHOUND
LMAO
Posted by: tdelong
I agree...and on the boy scouts issue add. Same goes for the g@ys in the boyscouts issue. Go form the g@y Scouts – then you have nothing to complain about; you&39;ll be with people who espouse your beliefs instead of making everyone bow down to yours or labeling them g@y bashers because they disagree with your point of view.
Posted by: tdelong
I guess my question would be - you knew that the boy scouts was an organization founded on religous beliefs, why would you join in the first place if you are atheist? They espouse christian values (and many values that are not just tied to christian beliefs).
I'm not for or against any religion - but I just feel that if people don't like what it stands for they can go create something that matches what they want to participate in.
Posted by: tdelong
I know it sounds like I am arguing - and I'm not trying to. I respect that you feel slighted (or maybe you don't care) by the Scouts. But I don't see that as bigotry - they stand for what they believe in and in their minds the leaders they have should (must) have faith in their beliefs to do the job the way they prefer it to be done.
Thats what I am talking about - if an organization excludes someone because they aren't inline with what their core beliefs are all of a sudden they become religious bigots? I see it as protecting their institution from changing into something that it wasn't originally chartered to be - a organization not grounded in religious beliefs. Religious belief is like 50% of what the Boy Scouts are about.
Look all I'm saying is I wouldn't join an Atheist group and then complain because they won't let me hold a prayer before each session.
You know what its about before you entered it - it didn't work out because its rooted in a christian belief system and your atheist. You didn't fit what they were trying to teach (whether right or wrong) so thats their feeling and right to not have you teach. They are a private organization and as such can set their rules and regulations as they see fit.
You know the funny thing about this is that - a) I am in no way affiliated with the boy scouts and b) while not a full fledge atheist over the past few years I have come to really question religion in general. How could humans who back in the dark ages had everything about the world totally wrong - all of a sudden be right about a divine being. Especially when all scientific evidence says that we evolved from apes. But thats another thread I think.
I think the Boy Scout position statement says it all in terms of what they espouse - they don't deny others their opinion or diversity - they just don't feel it fits into their model of what they want to teach children in the boy scouts:
BOY SCOUT POSITION STATEMENT:
More than 90 years ago, the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) was founded on the premise of teaching boys moral and ethical values through an outdoor program that challenges them and teaches them respect for nature, one another, and themselves. Scouting has always represented the best in community, leadership, and service.
The Boy Scouts of America has selected its leaders using the highest standards because strong leaders and positive role models are so important to the healthy development of youth. Today, the organization still stands firm that their leaders exemplify the values outlined in the Scout Oath and Law.
On June 28, 2000, the United States Supreme Court reaffirmed the Boy Scouts of America's standing as a private organization with the right to set its own membership and leadership standards.
The BSA respects the rights of people and groups who hold values that differ from those encompassed in the Scout Oath and Law, and the BSA makes no effort to deny the rights of those whose views differ to hold their attitudes or opinions.
Scouts come from all walks of life and are exposed to diversity in Scouting that they may not otherwise experience. The Boy Scouts of America aims to allow youth to live and learn as children and enjoy Scouting without immersing them in the politics of the day.
We hope that our supporters will continue to value the Boy Scouts of America's respect for diversity and the positive impact Scouting has on young people's lives. We realize that not every individual nor organization subscribes to the same beliefs that the BSA does, but we hope that all Americans can be as respectful of our beliefs as we are of theirs and support the overall good Scouting does in American communities.
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Posted by: tdelong
Now I'll argue on that. The boy scouts knew exactly how it would affect things in the long run. Again, it is a choice that they made (knowing the full ramifications of what it would bring about). It is their choice to do so - completely - 100% - regardless of what you think about the matter. You could have started your own group that provided wholesome things for kids to do - why didn't you? Open a rec center if there are enough people disgruntled by the boy scouts ruling. Bottom line is don't bitch about something just because it wasn't "open" to YOUR way of beliefs and thinking.
The fact that people resigned/refused to continue is a non-event as again they should have known what the organization was all about BEFORE they chose to become so engrained in it. I just wish we'd stop with this I'm the minority victim of this world and because this big organization isn't tolerant of my (non-mainstream) view that runs completely opposite of the big organizations entire charter I'm going to make a stink about it cause my rights are violated - blah blah blah.
Its ridiculous - when did tolerant mean acceptance of everything? I tolerate that people drive like idiots on the freeways. I tolerate that it takes me 2 hours to get through the DMV line. I shouldn't have to tolerate someone who wants to change something that has stood the test of time and has worked just fine up until the liberal tree hugging left decided that we can't say "discriminate" against certain beliefs and behaviors and that ALL opinions from ALL minority groups have to be taken into consideration.
Thats crazy and thats why I vote Republican.
You want to be an Atheist - cool. You want to be g@y - cool. But - and this is a big one to comprehend. Just because someone can do something doesn't mean that everyone else who might disagree with that has to be labeled bigots and racists, etc. Further more it doesn't give them the rights to FORCE what they believe and feel into the main stream public just because they want to feel accepted and validated by the main stream.
Personally, I want some mild religion in the school (like the pledge of alleg, etc) - do I want sermons? No. Would I mind if the 10 commandments were taught from a value and moral standpoint...hell no. Do I want "g@y" students to have groups and privelidges - No - and neither do 80% of the other parents. Do I hate g@ys - no - other than they try to force me unwillingly to accept their lifestyle as normal when I don't feel that it is. I don't care what someone does in their own life - hell my neighbors are g@y, and they are nice people.
Its a personal thing...You know - I like to have sex with 2 women at once - should we have a group with rights for people or students who like to gang bang? You know we really shouldn't discriminate against them there is nothing wrong with it and if you haven't done it I highly recommend you do before you leave this earth - I hear its something thats passed down through genes.
Or what about NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)? Or Poligamy? Whats wrong with those things? They are people too, they should have rights...they just want to be accepted and not oppressed for their beliefs.
OK do you see where I am going with this and granted its taking some things to the extreme (there was a good South Park episode about being TOO tolerant I wish I could show everyone) Funny that I would use South Park as a teaching tool But who would have ever thought back in the 50's that we'd have g@y and lesbi@n student associations in school the openly lobby to change the curriculum to accept that lifestyle as main stream and teach it as a subject?
Cheapass - I do see your point and I do think it is a sad thing when a group pushed someone out (especially in your case as you sound like you really had a passion for it as did the kids) but thats THEIR belief and they have just as much right to it as you do to yours.
Posted by: Markymannn
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Originally posted by: HELLHOUND
this really has nothing to do with atv issues but
I like big cars, big atvs , big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires.
You're UNAMERICAN!!! What about BIG BREASTS?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: Kennethlee16
Great I will send it to all my friends.
