Pages: 1
Posted by: Ryanstones
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
Every action we take on our ATV's has consequences.
I personally HATE loud pipes for anything but competition! Loud pipes lose riding areas for everyone! Why do little diks with LOUD ones have to ruin our traditional, but not legal riding areas? I've got a couple secret spots that i Love to ride, I hate keeping them from my PIPE friends, but there's no other choice if I want to keep riding there! GRRRRRRRRRRR.
LESS SOUND=MORE GROUND
learn it~live it
Quote
Originally posted by: TRV
I read all these posts about new laws etc. limiting Atv use in some fashion be it age, noise,endangered species etc. If you really sit down and think about all the riding areas you have been too it shouldn't be too suprising that these laws are being drafted. I have a whole 230 miles on my TRV and every time I have ridden somewhere I have seen at least one of the following:
1. Drinking
2. people driving recklessly and excessive speed, especially YOUNG people
3. riding 2 up on a single person machine
4. no helmet
5. very loud ATVs with aftermarket pipes
6. going off trails or tearing up existing trails, especially when muddy already
7. trespassing
8. riding illegally on a public road
Posted by: blackballed
Thanks for the title of this thread; because those 4 words pretty much sum up our sport today.
The problem as I see it doesn't lie in the idiots who ruin things for us........it's in the rest of us who stand idly by and let them get away with it. Who doesn't think that 'most' of the groups who oppose us; would be more than willing to work 'with' us............... if we took care of our own and/or publicly worked to make the penalties for ignorance that much stiffer?
Call the ATVA(AMA) and ask them what they think should be done about areas such as Windrock; where literally tens of thousands of people flock every year because it is now one of the few places left where you can still act like an idiot! Fact: Even the people we have fighting for us NOW don't have the stones to come out against even the most HIGH PROFILE problems we have sitting right in front of us!
Ask them about the area where they testified at the latest CPSC hearings in WV. and why some of the people standing up that day on "our side".......are actually vehemently against the Hatfield McCoy Trail System because they might now have to (God forbid) follow some "rules" (with those involving safety being the most hated)?
Why don't ALL our atv clubs in this country proudly display any connection with law enforcement they have or should be cultivating; as not only a recruitment tool for the quality people they seek.........but to send a sobering message out to these violating idiots that "the law" has more eyes than they might think?
The answer to all these questions, as it most generally comes down to, is MONEY. These national atv organizations and most of these clubs don't give a rat's arse what your IDEALS are........as long as that membership money comes in when it's supposed to and they don't "upset" any other potential donors (and these are the only spineless defenders we have!).
Nobody has the Kahunas to stand up for anything anymore and that is exactly what we have been teaching these young people who are old enough "now" to buy and ride these orvs (how many of these kids do you think are out there right now, getting on their friend's or other youths about loud pipes?)
I've been saying for years now that we have to SPLIT OURSELVES UP; before . Yet a lot of you have been insisting that your association with these people or your not wanting to "upset" them; is much more important than the sport itself or your children's future.
Then I say quit complaining if you don't want to hold anybody accountable for standing by and watching all this happen (you should see the crap these motorcyclists are trying to pull up here in Michigan that nobody has had the nuts to call them on).
John
Posted by: blackballed
Another reason why our atv laws are "not surprising"............When all of you were asked to sign the latest petition to the CPSC (last year)...........why wasn't there any language presented in that document about "helmets" for one; but more importantly, in regards to what the actual specific solutions to our problems should be?
Two reasons: One has to do with the fact that these large organizations believe that the people they serve should be the LAST people "in on" their overall policy (in other words, what issues they should be required to fight for).............and the fact that these national "representatives" don't have the nuts to go after or upset the people who need their attitudes adjusted in the first place (in order for our sport to truly survive).
John
Posted by: 440EX026
So what are you suggesting that people not use the ATV as a babysitter and take an interest in their children?
I know where your coming from even if I may be one those who ride fast but the problem is deeply rooted and is more involved with common sense and being better educated and involved in the sport. I get grief all the time for educating people on why they need to stop riding without a helmet or why junior needs to be better supervised etc, and most times I the replies are not what you would like to hear and thats too bad.
There are thousands of medical people across the country that have seen the results of what happens when someone rides without proper safety gear or training and it gives them a very poor opinion of the sport. I remember speaking with a foot surgeon once that was shocked with the amount of serious lower leg and foot injuries he saw from ATV accidents compared to dirt bikes etc. He did admit that most times there was little if any gear worn and was intelegent enough to realize that was the root of the problem.
Just recently some one I know who rode most times with ZERO gear had a pretty nastly crash, and the only reason he is still with us today is that I had lent him a helmet to use till he got one. Too bad his leg and foot werent as lucky since he saw no need to wear boots but now after having several screws, plates and pins in his leg he will be buying the best boots he can afford.
Honda's ads say it very well STUPID HURTS. Notice no mention of killer atv's but just "STUPID" and to me that says it all.
Posted by: hayve
you know what they say, their using the sound to make up for the size of their..........................engine
Posted by: 85ATC350X
I agree with this post, these reasons are why other than 4 ridiculous legal places (3 are tracks not open year round and 1 costs $300 a year and will go up next year) to ride we have no where to go and riding illegally is the norm in New Jersey. People put there stuff on the line every day here at some gravel pit, woods etc. If guys wore helmets, didnt litter, and threw out that loud pipe people wouldnt be complaining. If you dont have your own land or permission most people risk it out here. I ride around the corner from my house for the last 7 years on powerlines and no one has said a thing to me maybe because I am respectful of others like the neighbors, clean up the place when an idiot litters when Im not out there and make sure it is kept low-key. That is why I have a spot, it may not be legal but its a spot that i havent had a problem with.
Posted by: BABYCAKES
This is a good post! I think people need to use common sense, the problem is, theirs alot of people who just don't us it!!! This is why insurance is becoming sooo expensive. In the future, it may not be a matter of whether or not you can afford insurance, but whether you can get it? Its starting to happen right now! More and more insurance companies are dropping atvs and snowmobiles, PERIOD! I found this out last year when I bought a new atv. My present company would not insure me! Although, they still kept my wife on with her atv, they said once she bought anew one, that would be it! My insurance agent, who is also our friend, had to shop for a new insurance company, and although she found one , they dropped the 800cc snowmobiles that same week! Happy trails, for now anyways?
Posted by: PmanX8
I cant agree more with this post. i live in maryland i we have some of the STUPIDEST riders in the world here, anything that you can do wrong or illegal on a quad these morons do it on purpose. and we are literally losing another trail system every month, well we barely have any public riding land left, and what little bit we do have...the morons ruin it for us "smart" riders.i will admit that no matter what quad im on i do tend to ride slightly fast and aggressive at times, but i ride with common-sense and i know what im doing with more than 14 years of experience on them. but i often see beginners and rookies who have no clue how much power their brand new machine has and they go and half-kill themselves. but unstead of them being punished for their own stupidity, only us smart riders pay the price for what they do. it is truely sad.
Posted by: UKzilla
veryy few places to ride over in the uk, and the ramblers association, (same as your sahara club i think) are trying to make sure weve no access to any of them,
weve just lost a small plott of land we used to ride on cos the developers have moved on to build a factory or something, never had any bother on there cos most of the lads used to suit up properly and the police could see we were being as resposible as we could and left us to it, in the last couple of months before the work started there was a rash of young kids on nicked bike and cars on there and the police started talking about bike confiscations and all sorts,
same things happening on a local beach i ride quite often, people have ridden there for many years without permission and nobody has ever told them otherwise,
same story tho, dickeds in nicked cars tairing around the place and leaving them burnt out has meant we will loose out on a realy good place to ride,
i just wish people would be have more responsably, you guys in the USA dont know how lucky you are i only hope that when you do realise its not with hindsight when your not able to ride anywhere,
of the whole network of trails and ancient rights of way in the UK less than 5 percent are able to be ridden on by vehicles, and this is only because of ancient laws that give us that right, the ramblers want to take these rights away and have it all for them selfs,
Posted by: Speedy2222
well... the pipe i want is i guess wher eu can contorl the loudness of it ( which i personally like) cuz i can tone it down for riding here or on the trials at the cottage and turn the mofo up when im out at my grandpas havin a shiz load of fun... n for racing( friendly of coarse) aint got my rockymountain catalog.. but i know it's in there....
Posted by: Eceriderjbomb
Blahh
Posted by: TRV
I read all these posts about new laws etc. limiting Atv use in some fashion be it age, noise,endangered species etc. If you really sit down and think about all the riding areas you have been too it shouldn't be too suprising that these laws are being drafted. I have a whole 230 miles on my TRV and every time I have ridden somewhere I have seen at least one of the following:
1. Drinking
2. people driving recklessly and excessive speed, especially YOUNG people
3. riding 2 up on a single person machine
4. no helmet
5. very loud ATVs with aftermarket pipes
6. going off trails or tearing up existing trails, especially when muddy already
7. trespassing
8. riding illegally on a public road
My wife is a Pediatric Nurse (15 years)and has seen many, and I mean many, young people injured, some mortally, due to one of the above. You can ask any Nurse that works in a Children's Hospital about Atvs and most likely they will have a story to tell. Until everyone gets on board(parents and young people alike) with safety and a little common sense this sport WILL be regulated in a negative way to most of us. I honestly feel the last 4 items relating to sheer stupidity are just as damaging to the sport as the first 4 items relating to safety. I get a little ticked when I read this and other boards and read about or see pics of folks doing some of these things above. Speak out against it, and above all, vote! OK, vented, and jumping off the soapbox!
Posted by: TRV
Almost 600 fine ATVers have read this post! My intent was not to offend or insult anyone on their choices or actions but to point out my thoughts from someone who purchased an TRV(Arctic Cat 2 person ATV) this last summer and turned 40 last week. So I guess for most of you I am new and old to the sport. It's good to see my thoughts were probably not as "square" as I feel at times but my profession(Banker) and upbringing have brought me to conclude that we are all responsible for ourselves and how we "present" ourselves to the non-ATV world. Positive character traits will go a long way to helping our sport. I appreciate everyones comments and views! Keep the rubber side down!
Posted by: parkgt
I agree
Posted by: kwackermann
The problem is not 'junior'. The problem is the stupid parents that buy junior an ATV that's too big, so he can 'grow into' it. But junior never grows up at all, instead ends up dead because the PARENTS bought him something he couldn't control!!!! Then we get the CPSC all over us for that....
Posted by: hondabuster
Quote
Originally posted by: Eceriderjbomb
Blahh
BLAHH,
WTF, Its people with that attitude that screw things up for the rest of us. Check out the anti atv website if you dont believe me.
anti atv terriorists
Because of a few people, with a so what attitude, went where they werent supposed to, and this group was all over it. Just because they dont catch YOU, dont think its harmless. They banned atvs in Duluth MN because of 3 people. Whether you want to or not, you ARE speaking for all of us when you ride. If john q public sees you acting irresponsibly, they think ALL of us act irresponsibly.
My rant, thanks for reading.
Posted by: Spudss
I Agree with almost everthing in the post...I ride on corp land and have talk to the folks who manage and control it..I ask whats the worst thing about atv riders and they said the mess left behind..TRASH...Because some DRUNK A$$ cant throw his beer cans in the back of his truck and people throwing soda cans and there trash in general on the ground and not even think twice about it... The second thing was no protection... There again some IDIOT just bought his first sport quad and wants to go out and look COOL..No shirt hat on backwards shorts, and give it all its got...OPPS DIDNT SEE THAT TREE!!!!
On the pipe subject.....Those of you saying oh ya pipes bad quiet good....If your riding a sport quad like some of your icons above your name show...you know that the cheapest power mod is a pipe and 90% have a loud pipe..Its your responsability to buy a quiet core for your pipe and put it to use in sound sensitive areas...I like to ride fast and have a loud pipe thats why I bought a sport quad... But its the riders responsability to ride responsably and put you quiet core in when needed just like your spark arester...
Posted by: Daug
Does anybody have a link to the "stupid hurts" site?
Posted by: Daug
I had to change to SAFECO to get mine insured this year.
Posted by: AngryHampster
i agree, but you talk to any nurse that works in a childrens' hospital and they'll also tell you about bike wrecks, gun injuries, and atshma as well.
also....what do you have against loud pipes?
Posted by: Dragonfire
Most of us are resposable riders and put safty as a #1 priority its the few who break all the rules and
screw us all.
So what are going to do about it, talk to the snowmobilers who run free dureing the winter in my area, not to mention the summer races they have on grass not snow, that can't be safefor man or machine!!
Posted by: Dragonfire
{QUOTE: JUSTIN 85ATC350OX}I ride around the corner from my house for the last 7 years on powerlines and no one has said a thing to me maybe because I am respectful of others like the neighbors, clean up the place when an idiot litters when Im not out there and make sure it is kept low-key. That is why I have a spot, it may not be legal but its a spot that i havent had a problem with.}
I travel the powerlines too but a lot of folks do to who litter are loud and just plain ruin the right I have to use the power co land.
Posted by: yz450f
I agree,
and you did forget trash. Its just sad how the enviormentalist are trying to close all riding areas, and how a certain group of individuals are giving them all the ammunition they need. Please, lets be more responsible when it comes to safety and littering. I love this sport too much to have it spoiled by a group of idiots. Anyone who sees this respone please be aware of all the individuals helping our sport become endangered and extinct. Remind them, to keep our riding areas clean and safe and we will survive this goverment and enviormentalist storm.
One more, most of use don't drink and drive in our vehicles. It goes the same with ATV'S
Lets all have a blast
Posted by: yz450f
Your right about the pipe issue, I have a Raptor, yz450f and a Trailblazer and all of them have after market pipes( and we all know how load a 4 stroke can get). Like you said, an easy cheap mod. Me personally, have no problems with a load pipe. I believe theres other things in this world that are more disturbing then an after market pipe. We just need to help clean up our sport. All the cool idoits out there need to follow the rules when it comes to safety gear and trash.
I have a son who owns a R-1 and he had an accident about a month ago. He was wearing his safety gear, and I'll tell you what: he prevented lots of unnecessary pain wearing his gear. But he still ended up braking his ankle and thumb. It just goes to show you it can happen anywhere. My son is an excellent rider, he has been riding since he was 7 years old, starting out on a minibike.
If we keep going the way thing are going in all riding areas, our sport will be gone. So, lets pass on the word when it comes to safety gear, trash and driving drunk on a atv.
Posted by: natron1
All the posts are good but some seem to miss the most important issue-tolarence. In the eighties I was out bashing around in a jeep CJ. The ninties roaring up and down the three rivers of Steeler country in a 21foot with a 454 inboard. Now I got an ATV. Hopfully I'm older and wiser. Not many places left that 4 wheelers are aloud. Lots of no whake zones in the water. Came to the laurel highlands to get out of the city. Every harley here seem to run open pipes and fly through all the gears in 20 seconds or less. I guess its my turn to hate that sound.
The ATVers have to learn like so many before them that the forests belong to everyone,hunters, campers,hickers, bickers, and bird whatchers and yes the animals to. And they in turn need to tolarate us. I guess besides litter the noise is a problem for the others. I like it loud is no longer good enough. If it distubes others, who are there for the sounds of silence, and we need them to tolerate our passing disturbence. You want more power buy 50 more CCs. Yeah I know you still will want an open pipe on that. We all have to give up a little, so that we can each tolerate the other a little more. They have to not mined the ruts we sometimes leave behind. In the end, probably the golden rule would be the answer to it all. Or we all lose; more than we may deserve.
Thanks for letting me vent my 2 cents.
Posted by: Tracytrashcan
I remember back in the 80's there was a slogan for street bikes called "Loud Pipes Save Lives." There was quite a movement to try and allow motorcycles push the sound level limit in the name of safety for bikers. Well, the city of Brockton, Massachusetts banned motorcycles from its streets!! The American Motorcycle Association did a lot of work to reverse that ban. The city banned motorcycles because of all the noise complaints. As we all know, there are lots of people who run street bikes with straight pipes or some sort of aftermarket pipe. Well the same with ATVs. Like a previous post, get 50 more cc's but keep your stock muffler. If everyone can't hear you, they probably won't care what you're doing. Why do you think horses can go just about anywhere? They don't make any noise. After all, the injury rate for horses is much higher than ATVs. Just do a Google search on horse riding fatalities.
