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Posted by: LEP7MM
effective July 1st, Minnesota allows 2 passengers over the age of 18. Bad idea IMO.
Children under the age of 16 are permitted so long as they are wearing helmets and eye protection. If it's absolutely necessary, the passenger should always be behind the operator of the ATV. Even young children of 3 years will affect your ability to steer the ATV.
Any time your machine is under power, it is trying to raise the front of the ATV. When the weight behind the rear axle exceeds the weight of the front, there is an extreme risk of a roll over. Especially on inclines. 99% of the time the passengers weight is behind the rear axle, causing the front end to be too light. Light front ends=loss of steering control.
The 2nd passenger on a single rider machine also inhibits the ability of the operator to control the machine and cannot use the body english needed to maneuver the machine safely.
For those riders who do ride double, they are the ones in control of the ATV (so to speak). They are 100% in control of their decision to ride double, in turn, putting themselves and their passengers at risk. Who's to blame when the ATV rolls or flips? You guys are smart enough to know this one.
Ride safe, ride smart.
Posted by: reconranger
I saw some folks riding double the other day. They didn't make a hill, and the bike started rolling backward. The obviously inexperienced driver hit the REAR brake. The extra weight of the passenger, being so far back, made the bike do a tremendous wheelie, and dumped both of them off the back. The rider had it easy though, he landed on top of the passenger!
Posted by: reconranger
My buddies all ride their kids on the front, from the time they were just old enough to barely hang on. You wouldn't catch me doing it though!
When we are camping, there is one kid that if he is having trouble getting to sleep, dad takes him out for a little ride, and he falls right to sleep!
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
There also is no place for the passenger to put their feet and hold on to. Look at the 2-up machines. They have handles for the passenger and pegs.
Most people don't know, but even on MCs, the passenger MUST have pegs on the frame or swingarm. At least in CA.
ON a standard atv, the passenger could end up riding directly over, or even behind the rear axle. It just starts to screw with the hangling for some reason. Makes the front ends lighter.
Posted by: BlackandRedWarrior
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Originally posted by: widmn
OK, that sounds very reasonable. Now what about a smaller child riding in front of the driver????
I've seen that. Kid ended up with a fat lip and his dad about got knocked on his @ss when he wouldn't let a couple women care for the boy. Kid at the handlebar. Lucky he didn't bust any teeth.
Posted by: MnFriesen
the frame is not built for two, If you look at the new two up models that are coming out, the frame is longer and the wheel base is too...The reason why the manual says not to is because it was not designed for it...yes sometimes two riders weigh less then one, the distrobution of the weight is different, two people may lean a different way, causing the quad to become unbalenced and less controllable
Posted by: Raptorlegs
Riding double is OK on flat ground at slow speeds for an experienced rider.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: reconranger
When we are camping, there is one kid that if he is having trouble getting to sleep, dad takes him out for a little ride, and he falls right to sleep!
My dad does that with my 2 year old sometimes (they babysit quite frequently). Works. I still won't take him out with us though. Not strong enough to support a real helmet yet. And I'm a litttle leary of the one that says Mongoose.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
What ever! T'ain't nothing better than riding double with some hottie!
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Raptorlegs
What ever! T'ain't nothing better than riding double with some hottie! hr>
Whens the last time you rode double with a hottie? LOL hr>
12 years????? BR>
Now I'd have a butt cheek on each fender.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: LEP7MMAny time your machine is under power, it is trying to raise the front of the ATV.
Very true, which reminds me....doing wheelies with hot chocks on back makes them hold even closer and tighter!
Posted by: motox26
Everybody usually rides double with a friend, GF, kid, etc. I do it, but the quad DOES NOT handle like it should. So take precaution if you do it, it tips back a lot easier, and the front end won't turn nearly as well, it gets a serious "push" to it.
As for smaller kids, if your going to do it becareful first of all, but I say put them in front of you. My dad did this with me on trikes and sometimes when we would roll or sumpin he could grab me and protect me. If I was on the back he would have crushed me.
Posted by: moldycheese
i had 3 on my raptor. me and 2 chick friends. my biddies left without them and i had to bring them to lower goose (a beach area around there camp)
Posted by: AnimalMother85
and plus, the dealers would lose their butt on warranty work for all you out there with fat girlfriends when you bring you new quad back to the dealership, cause you brand new shock blew out cause of bertha's fat a$$
Posted by: mywifesquad
I was hoping to have something to add. BR>
Cant think of anything, excellent answers. BR>
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: widmn
OK, that sounds very reasonable. Now what about a smaller child riding in front of the driver????
I wouldnt reccomend it. And I'll tell you why. I gave both my boys rides on my CR 500 quite a few times when they were about 3. They both rode a honda 50 by 4. I am a expert level enduro rider and was pretty competitive at the time. Looking back I was extremely lucky and probubly wouldnt do it again. Maybe on flat ground and under 15 mph, but definitely no more. Just my thoughts.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Raptorlegs
What ever! T'ain't nothing better than riding double with some hottie! hr>
Whens the last time you rode double with a hottie? LOL
Posted by: MrDumass
Riding double sucks! Its ok when you are going from the barn to the chitter, but any speed and it just sucks. I realy dont understand the concept of the two seater rigs anyway. Get your own and ride it! Its no fun being carted around all day, the quad is super heavy, and the wheelbase is long. IMO its much more fun to drive your own quad.
Posted by: XtremeSkier
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Originally posted by: MnFriesen
the frame is not built for two, If you look at the new two up models that are coming out, the frame is longer and the wheel base is too...The reason why the manual says not to is because it was not designed for it...yes sometimes two riders weigh less then one, the distrobution of the weight is different, two people may lean a different way, causing the quad to become unbalenced and less controllable
very good post chrisBR>
must agree on that one..i ride double but only when i'm taking some1 somewhere...i would never go out riding for fun w/some1 on the back..it would suck just as much for me as it does for them
Posted by: XtremeSkier
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Originally posted by: MrDumass
Riding double sucks! Its ok when you are going from the barn to the chitter, but any speed and it just sucks. I realy dont understand the concept of the two seater rigs anyway. Get your own and ride it! Its no fun being carted around all day, the quad is super heavy, and the wheelbase is long. IMO its much more fun to drive your own quad.
exactly..plus u have more controll..i hate riding as a passenger because i never know if the drivers gonna get out of control...and that kind of stuff just p!ss's me off..if ur gonna invest in a 2 up quad u mise well put another thousand in and get two seprate quads
Posted by: widmn
I know the manual says no and signs are posted, but why not??
The seat is certainly big enough.
2 riders don't always exceed the weight of one.
Plenty to hang onto. etc etc
Posted by: widmn
Wow. Great answers. thanks fellas.
Posted by: widmn
OK, that sounds very reasonable. Now what about a smaller child riding in front of the driver????
