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Posted by: maddog56
Just bought one, I've been looking for a good one for cheap and this fits the bill perfectly. Thanks!
Posted by: maddog56
Like it really matters? You can get hung up on something ethical like that and claim to be on a higher moral plane, but in real life neither your choice not to buy or my choice to buy mean a gosh darn thing.
Posted by: maddog56
Euro Enduro
For a company interested in helping to shut down riding areas they sure are making a bad move sponsoring a European enduro team.
I looked through the website back through 2000 and I didnt see any mention of donations to activist or anti-motor vehicle environmental groups. But if you could find the article that stated what Camelback was doing I'd appreciate it.
Posted by: maddog56
From one of the March 2001 articles listed in Bing's link:
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Like any good ad sales guy, after we gave them some nice coverage I approached CamelBak about running some ads on ORC. I was told by Lea Morrison, "... That while there was little or no budget for the online and/or off-road market, I should contact Stacy Stanley of Sasquatch Advertising in Portland, Ore. their ad agency. I was rudely informed by Ms. Stanley, "CamelBak has no interest in advertising to, or supporting the off-road market, now or anytime in the future." At which point she abruptly terminated the conversation.
From Camelback's Website Circa September 2001:
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The best 600 endurance motorcycle racers in the world convened in Brive la Gaillarde, France for the 76th “International Six Days of Enduro” (ISDE) from August 27 through September 1, also considered as the World Championship competition for the sport. Thirty-two countries were represented during this week of intense off-road racing. The CamelBak-sponsored French National Team came away with the title more than 8 minutes ahead of its nearest opponent, thanks to the hard work of David Frétigné, Cyril Esquirol, Eric Bernard, Marc Germain, Olivier Rebufie and Sebastien Guillaume. In addition to the collective team title, the members also found individual success, with Marc Germain winning the 125cc championship, Cyril Esquirol claiming the 250cc 4T title and David Frétigné rising to the top of the 250cc 2T category. With the mercury pushing upwards of 40°C (106°F) in the shade early in the week and muddy conditions making for difficult handling later in the week, the team member&39;s CamelBak hydration systems were essential equipment to their success.
Sounds like the writer of that initial article had some information wrong, or flat out showed a bias against Camelback based upon prior assumptions.
Posted by: maddog56
And I didnt indicate that you did. I was just trying to get to the bottom of the allegations.
Posted by: maddog56
I agree. Personally if the only evidence against Camelback is that one article then I really kind of have to give Camelback the benefit of the doubt. I mean Camelback was sponsoring and entire Enduro team as the primary financier and yet at the same time the brass at the company were supposedly making statements saying they had no interest in off road advertising or the budget for it?
I dont know, and it looks like its another one of those things without a clear cut answer. I'll just enjoy my new camelback when it comes and renew my AMA/ATVA membership another year just in case I need to counteract something...img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
Posted by: maddog56
The AMA is great for motorcyclists and thats about it. The ATVA is the place for quad buffs, its basically the ATV branch of the AMA. A member here turned me onto it this year.
If the public really knew who was funding who behind whos back, we'd have boycotts on just about everything and everyone.
Posted by: Bing
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Posted by: mywifesquad
Unless they have changed their policy, Camelback give's a part of all their sales to the organization's that are working to close our riding areas. I personally wont buy one.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
Like it really matters? You can get hung up on something ethical like that and claim to be on a higher moral plane, but in real life neither your choice not to buy or my choice to buy mean a gosh darn thing.
I did not claim to be on a higher moral plane than you, just stating a fact. If you think I am on a higher moral plane than you that is your problem not mine. If you want to support companies helping to eliminate our riding areas, good for you.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
Euro Enduro
For a company interested in helping to shut down riding areas they sure are making a bad move sponsoring a European enduro team.
I looked through the website back through 2000 and I didnt see any mention of donations to activist or anti-motor vehicle environmental groups. But if you could find the article that stated what Camelback was doing I'd appreciate it.
It is possible that they have changed their policies, so I will do some research and get back to you. I am fairly busy today so it may take a couple days.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Never said it wasnt a great product.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
And I didnt indicate that you did. I was just trying to get to the bottom of the allegations.hr>
I have only skimmed thru both of bings links, still have not decided if camelback is for or against us. What do you think? There seems to be some double talk going on though.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
I agree. Personally if the only evidence against Camelback is that one article then I really kind of have to give Camelback the benefit of the doubt. I mean Camelback was sponsoring and entire Enduro team as the primary financier and yet at the same time the brass at the company were supposedly making statements saying they had no interest in off road advertising or the budget for it?
I dont know, and it looks like its another one of those things without a clear cut answer. I'll just enjoy my new camelback when it comes and renew my AMA/ATVA membership another year just in case I need to counteract something...img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
I guess I dont consider sponsoring a France ISDE team supporting my sport. While I did ride a isde 2 day qualifier in '87 just to see if I could finish. I think that is a pretty broad interpetation of support for our sport. I know this is just my take on this and I realize now that my sources for my "fact's" was based on the dirt bike mag article and a couple of local shops that wont sell camelback products based on the same "fact's". I too am a ama member, but am not to impressed with their support for off roaders either.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: maddog56
If the public really knew who was funding who behind whos back, we'd have boycotts on just about everything and everyone.
Can't argue with that.
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