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Posted by: RAPTORAZ
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Originally posted by: Yamaha4eva
hi im thinkin about getting a use street bike but have a few questions first
1.) whats the average weight limit?
2.) how expensive is insurance (average,canadian)
3.) do they tip easy?
4.) would an rz350 keep up with an r1??? if not r6?
thx!!!!
Here's your answers:
1) depends on the bike.
2) if your young, and want full coverage, it's insanely expensive.
3) being that most sportbikes are fairly tall, yes they tip easier at slow speeds.
4) an RZ350 will get dusted by both an R1 and an R6
Posted by: RAPTORAZ
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Originally posted by: Yamaha4eva
couple more questions,
how does an r1 match up with a gsxr1000 and the same with the honda
why are ducatis so expensive? and are they THAT fast?
is the busa the king of drags?
If you are looking for your first bike, none of the bikes you have mentioned would be a good idea. Except maybe for the RZ350. Which is basically a power-valved Banshee engine in a sportbike chassis. Even a 600cc Supersport(R6, CBR, GSXR) is WAY too much bike for a beginner.
Posted by: Cheapass
Something I ran across, made me think of this thread.
OFF IDLE:
Lotsa laps, load of miles
BY NICK IENATSCH
This sport, the one you're so addicted to, is unmatched in terms
of thrill and difficulty. Because of those assets, mistakes mean
more than hitting a ball into the net like Andre Agassi or throwing
an interception lke Brett Favre. Those guys can afford to make
mistakes, we can't. Rather than spend the next few years
learning from the school of hard knocks, let's shortcut the
learning curve by examining a few of the ways we hit the ground.
We crash on cold tires. And everyone who falls off cold tires says
the same thing: "Man I was going SO SLOW!" Respect cold - and
especially new and cold - tires by giving them a few miles to
warm up, and develop an inner alarm that gongs every time you
start a ride. Cold tires can handle smooth, subtle braking,
accelerating and cornering inputs. Just don't be aggressive.
We crash on overloaded tires. Modern sportbike tires will do
amazing things, but traction is finite. Tires begin to slide when
they become overloaded, like when too much front brake or too
much throttle is combined with too much lean angle. Those
scenarios push either the front or rear tire over the traction edge.
If it's a gentle push, the rider can usually gather it back up, but
if
the traction edge is leaped over, the rider is down before he
knows it. We can sneak up on these traction limits by slowing
and smoothing our control applications. The faster your bike, the
smoother you need to work the brakes and throttle.
We can crash trying to catch up. The motorcycle has very little to
do with a rider's speed on backroads, but until you understand
that fact, using the throttle to keep up your friends seems like a
viable option. Trouble is, your focus has just gone from riding
technique and trying to read the road to trying to hang on with
your more experienced friends. Don't succumb to this
temptation. Ride at your own pace and keep studying the sport.
Learn to transition your bike off the throttle, onto the brakes and
into the corner's apex. Riding on the street isn't about going fast,
it's about attaining repeatability at speeds that won't freak out
your brain. Get it right going slow and don't worry about anyone
else.
We crash because we want to go fast. Freddie Spencer has a
great line: "This is a slow corner. I'm going to go.....slow!" On the
street, these "slow corners" can include intersections, school
zones, blind crests, unfamiliar roads, crowded freeways, gravel
strewn backroads etc. The riders that scare me the most are the
ones that can't slow down. Thirty miles per hour doesn't seem
fast until you see some idiot going that speed while splitting
lanes in stopped traffic. Speed reduces time and adds distance
in an emergency situation. Recognize and respect dangerous
situations that can be remedied by slowing down.
We crash because we bail out. What do you do when you enter a
corner too hot? First, understand that the term "too hot" probably
means that your brain is overwhelmed, not that the bike is at its
limits. You freak out because you missed a downshift or didn't
go to the brake lever or got surprised by an unforeseen situation,
but the bike could probably still make it through the corner if your
brain could just settle down. Do these three things: 1) LOOK
through the corner. The brain doesn't know the pavement exists
until the eyes see it. If you look off the road, the bike will
follow. 2)
LEAN into the corner until the bike is dragging on the ground.
That's the limit. 3) BELIEVE in modern technology and know that
if you are looking into the corner and leaning all the way over, the
bike could still make it. Too many riders enter a corner too hot,
stand up the bike and nail the rear brake. Look, lean and believe.
We crash because we aren't mentally there. Your motorcycle
covers 88 feet per second at 60 mph, so an instant's inattention
moves you quite a distance. If you're thinking about work, your
family, the scenery... slow down or pull over. If you're thinking
about your riding, make sure you're thinking about the next
corner, the next intersection, the next brake application...the
future. You can't turn back time, so forget a previous mistake and
look to the next situation. Ride ahead of your bike.
We crash because we rush corner entrances. Kenny Roberts
said "Slow in, fast out." Think of the entrance as preparation for
the exit. On your next ride, try reducing your corner-entrance
aggression by 5 percent. Literally ride into the corners slower
than you feel you could enter, and watch how much better your
exits get, how much better you get your bike steered down to the
apex, how much earlier you can pick up the throttle, how much
more relaxed you are. It worked for Roberts when winning three
world championships, and it works for street riders who want to
make it to breakfast every Sunday morning for the rest of their
lives. Most single-bike crashes come from too much entrance
speed.
We crash because we can't keep up with the motorcycle. Today's
sportbikes are the safest, most competent motorcycles in
history, yet they continue to hit the ground. Make sure your
software is equal to the hardware. Practice emergency braking.
Take advantage of the many riding schools and open track days
in your area. I can speak for the rest of the Sportbike staff when I
say if we hadn't visited the racetrack on our testbikes, we
wouldn't have had half as much fun or discovered the true
performance available from these amazing machines.
Discussing crashes is a no-no in some magazines. That's too
bad, because rather than commit a mistake that leads to
damage, I'd much rather learn that lesson from someone else's
goof! Don't be afraid or embarassed to work hard on your riding,
because the better your technique becomes, the more your bike
will reveal to you and the more joy this sport will deliver.
Posted by: shawn03
your first streetbike is gonna be ultimatley up to you. My self would never recommend an 1000 of any sort. And like texas said the busa is alot faster than rated at. and for the R1 i think she will do faster than 169 with the new 180 hp while the ram air is working. My firt bike was a R6 and by no means is it a slouch. Very few people are able to bring the true capabilities out of this bike. With a really good rider it is capable of beating a 1000 cc bike on the track. I feel a R6 are for beginers, if they are responsible enough to not go out and mess around and know the bikes capabilities and thereselves. People like that are the ones that end up being a satistic. Anybody can go 170 in a straight line but to have control of your bike is the key. Just my .02 cents.
and texas how is that supra doing. you get over the 1000 mark yet.
Posted by: shawn03
who you having do your motor, titan motorsports. Yea i don't have one but i think im gonna get one around the first of next yr. either that or the new R1 haven't decided yet. Those things can be pretty costly. I think you pretty much have to take it to a dyno to get it tuned, from what i understand they are one of the most complicated motors around. Well anyways. good luck with the car. And happy whiplash in that thing
Posted by: shawn03
right on texas, hope you have her going soon. And cheapass, i never said that about stunting, brad did, it says that i quoted that, however i do agree with your comment on it.
Posted by: hondaracer305
Heres your answer- Kawi ZX10-R
Posted by: BlackRaptor
I'm pretty new to rockets as well but i was thinking of getting a R6 or CBR600.
I've ridden a lot of powerful motocross bikes and normal street bikes. so i don't think i would kill my self.
I hope.
Posted by: ShadyRascal
Guy who sits in the office next to me, his kid bought a 600 Yamaha last year new. Never made it to his first payment. Luckily, he lived, but the bike didn't. Learn how to turn and stop before playing ricky racer.
Posted by: Stoppie
I couldnt have said it better myself. Insurance also depends on how many points u have on ur license.
Posted by: BRAD14
a 600 is not too much bike for a beginnner.my bro had a cbr600f2 and he only laid it down 2 times the first week he had it and that was from not putting his feet down when he stopped.but when he started to get used to it and started stunting it he had a few crashes.just know your limits on it.i recommend the gsxr600 cause its my favorite bike,i want a black and grey gixxer600
Posted by: BRAD14
he bought the bike and how do you know how old he is?
Posted by: Yamaha4eva
hi im thinkin about getting a use street bike but have a few questions first
1.) whats the average weight limit?
2.) how expensive is insurance (average,canadian)
3.) do they tip easy?
4.) would an rz350 keep up with an r1??? if not r6?
thx!!!!
Posted by: Yamaha4eva
okay the weight thing didnt help at all, whats the average then? and im talkin bout the lil 2 stroke rz350 i think thats what its called, and when taking off does the front end tend to come up?
Posted by: Yamaha4eva
couple more questions,
how does an r1 match up with a gsxr1000 and the same with the honda
why are ducatis so expensive? and are they THAT fast?
is the busa the king of drags?
Posted by: Choky
1-If you mean body weight Ive seen some pretty fat people ride crotch-rockets!
2-VERY if your not over 24 years old.
3-Tip?They lean into corners,but youll loose control if you hit diesel with your front wheel on a round about.
4-Not a chance.
Posted by: Choky
People seem to like the Honda because of its tiny chassis it goes 169mph,the Suzuki does 175mph and the Yamaha does 168mph,the Honda is the cheapest follow by the Suzuki,but the Yamaha has the most aftermarket peices.
Ducatis?Because there beutifull and also fast around(179mph).
Hayabusa is king of speed but is more of a tourer(182mph)you will have an instant heart attack when they give you the price of insurance on the Busa,its on the black list(at least here).
Posted by: Choky
TexasPsychops,my bad,I thought the stock Hayabusa did the same as the Kawasaki ZX-12,I stand corrected.
Posted by: TexasPsycho
i've been riding bike since i was 5 y/o and have been on street bikes since i was 15. if this is you first bike don't get something that requires a lot of skill. a cbr600 would be the biggest you should get and even with it you will need to be carefull because it will hit over 120 in a heart beat and at that speed you had better know what to do if something happens, cars pulling out in front of you, animals running out in front of you, blown tire or just a curve coming up quick. the r1 is way to much for a new rider and the busa will kill you. also someone said the speed on the busa was 182 but it's actually 194 from the factory and come get over 200 with a few mods. the gsx1000 is also to much bike for anew rider. as for the front ends coming up, all the larger cc bikes will pull the front end pretty easy and they will also wear out a bike tire if your to happy with the throttle taking off. not sure what your talking about on the tipping. sport bikes are balanced very well but they will tip over just like any other bike if you go to far over. i have had to replace the peg slidders on my daytona about four times since i have owned it because of dragging the pegs in the corners but have only dropped it once, like a dumba$$ i thought the stand was down and dropped it in the driveway. insurance can be high depending on what bike you get. the insurance on my busa is fairly high but i'm also 41 so that helps a lot. the insurance on my daytona isn't bad at all because the insurance company conciders it a sport cruiser even though it will stick with the cbr900rr. the buell x1 lightning i had was very cheap because it was a harley, it was slow to but handled great. ducatis are expensive because if the way the frames are mad and the basicly use the best suspension parts. ducatis arn't that fast but have lots of tourqe, are balanced almost perfect and are light so the can go into and come out of the turns fast. plus your paying for a winning name. depending on what type you wanting i would say look at the buell blast. it's price is good and it does very good in the curves and would be a good bike to learn on. don't buy a bike just because it has high hp or mph until you learn how to handle one in the curves.
Posted by: TexasPsycho
to much power and to little experiance will kill. a few years ago a friend of mine road my daytona and fell in love with street bikes. he had never been on a street bike in his life but had raced mx. he went down to the honda shop and picked up a brand new 1100xx blackbird. three weeks later he was in the hospital with both legs broke plus a few ribs. he was going down a street that was wet from rain and came up on his street to fast. he said he barely touched the rear brake and the next thing he knew he was flying in the air. the bike slide into the sidewalk curb and launched him into a building wall. the bike slid down the sidewalk and broke a fire hydrante off totalling the bike. he didn't have enough experiance to know to stay off the rear brake. now he's back on dirt bikes and says he will never get back on a street bike.
Posted by: TexasPsycho
no problem choky. the supra hasn't even been started in about two months. we started the second part of our house remodel and i'm tapped out! man i can barly afford to fuel up my excursion and atvs to go ride. looks like it's not gona get much done to it this year since all summer we will be remodeling ( adding my game room!) and after that the holidays will be coming up. hopefully after the first of next year i will be able to take it to dallas to a tuner i know and let him help me out, still don't know a lot about all the turbo and computor stuff yet. i've got to get off my butt and get some pics up of it and my excursion, don't think i will be showing the , i think i have the ugliest one around.
Posted by: TexasPsycho
a man that works at ctc in carrolton ( think thats how it's spelled, up around dallas area ) is going to do it for me if i ever get some money freed up. thats where i bought some of the parts at.
Posted by: Mobyguzzer
I think one of the best sporty bikes for a newbie would be the Suzuki sv650, great handling, not to overpowering, but it has enough to keep your interest for a long time.
Posted by: AdamWolv
Yamaha4eva,
Take a look at these bikes if they will be your first street bike.
Suzuki GS 500
Kawasaki Ninja 500
" " Ninja 250
Suzuki Savage
Yamaha Virago 250
And the list goes on, if you dont have a lot of experience on street bikes, dont even think about getting on anything bigger than a 500, you WILL get hurt. I have two friends that did not listen to me and both of them have crashed their $10,000 supersport bikes within a year of buying them because they did not understand the basics of riding on the road.
Posted by: DEMENTED660R
Due to the gyro effect, just go fast, and your safe!!! J/K lol
The f-1 and f-6 are both incredably fast, and fun!!!
Later
Posted by: Cheapass
A Duck (Ducati) is a very well made bike with good performance. the Ferrari of bikes, so to speak.
The Hayabusa is impressive, and has a hella fast capability off the showroom floor. The king of the drags, however, is still the 82-84 Suzi GS1150.
And if you are looking at the Hayabusa or GSX1000 as your first street bike, please fill out an organ donor card, and we'll mis ya!
Posted by: Cheapass
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Originally posted by: shawn03
but when he started to get used to it and started stunting
And THAT is why you don't buy sportbikes for kids.
