Ford Lightning vs Dodge Hemi / sporty truck to pull atv

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Posted by: PADZZ

Tattoo...do you just like hearing yourself talk?
There is a 6.0 PS, it's a POS, but it's still a Power Stroke. Check out dieselstop.com and see all the dissapointed owners of those things. It's really too bad that those guys dumped $40K on that big of a POS.

Posted by: DeuceRooster

Well those two trucks are also in two different catagories. A Ford 99+ Lightning would leave any stock 5.7 Hemi sitting in a drag race or road race.

However consider that the Lightning does not come in 4x4 so if 4x4 is important to you then don't bother. The Lightning has several advantages though like higher resale value, faster and more upgrade potential. However it also has several disadvantages like poor MPG, more maintnence, higher insurance and in most cases higher maintnance costs not to mention it's higher price tag.

If you plan to tow and actually use the truck do yourself a favor and get a HEMI RAM or even a 6.0 powered GMC. Not to mention who would want to get a Lightning all dirty inside after riding quads all day?

Posted by: DeuceRooster

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Originally posted by: bigblock2stroke
For 13k, you could make the HEMI ram smoke the Lightning.

No doubt for 13k he could make the HEMI RAM smoke any current stock production car or truck in a DRAG RACE. (Yes that includes McLarens and F50s)

I agree with you on the HO Diesel those things are just torque monsters. Witht he Banks power setup they can do amazing things. I have a video of like a 96 or 97 3500 Dually Diesel running like a 12.1 1/4 insane.

Posted by: DeuceRooster

My local Chevy dealership has had a Red SS sitting on their lot for every bit of 2 months now. Very nice looking truck but kind of overpriced for it only to have a N/A 6.0

I hope GM comes out with the Regular Cab SS. From the auto show pictures I seen it has the 6.0L with a 6-Speed and not really any options other that A/C (cloth seats & vinyl floor!)

For now the best bang for the buck in new trucks performance wise is a RAM 1500 2WD Regular Cab with the HEMI. They are very powerful engines and they respond well to modifications.

However if you have the money the Lightning is still the fastest stock.

Posted by: DeuceRooster

Bigblock: I totally agree! Plus the 10's manual trans will be great. It shouldn't take too long for Supercharger kits to become aval for that truck because they already have them for Vipers. That truck is going to be insane just wish it was priced a little lower than what the rumors say.

Posted by: DeuceRooster

DanPayne: Wanna bet $700 you can't beat a GMC Syclone (bone stock) in the rain in a 1/8 or 1/4 mile drag race? If so I'm gonna have $700 extra in my pocket BR>

Posted by: DeuceRooster

Texas: I would say your Supra TT is pretty quick as well, right?

Posted by: DeuceRooster

Ahhhhhhh, the thread that will not die!

Posted by: Daren420

The 500 hp Lightning is coming. I believe that the new CEO of Ford Motor Co., yes the younger generation Mr. Ford, has performance as one of his priorities. No more of the "I can't get a Mustang with enough power." I never imagined that Ford would produce a 390 hp Cobra. I don't care if it is blown or if it has a few ponies less than the competition, but Ford did something I never expected them to do. And I am thankful for that.

Kind of like Honda not building respectfully powerful quads & crotch rockets. Not saying that my 01 CBR 929 was underpowered, it was insane. But it didn't have GSXR 1000 power. I know because I rode them both. Anyways, I was pleasantly surprised by both Ford and Honda this year.

As far as potential, anybody with lots of $$$ can make any of these aforementioned engines run unbelievably well. Who cares? Not me. I don't have $10K+ to drop into a truck engine. If you want to go extremely fast, buy a crotch rocket and a less expensive truck. Ever ridden a GSXR 1000?! 145 mph 1/4 mile with expert rider. Or try the new CBR 1000 RR.

If you want to haul quads go for something more suited for that. Anything from the rice burning Nissan to the F-650 or if you have the money just buy a Kenworth and a 53' enclosed race trailer from Featherlite. If you want something that will haul a quad and that can plant your back into the seat, then look for the Lightning, SS, or SR-T.

Personally, I'd rather drop that money on a Crankenstein or a big bore / stroker Banshee and have my slow, [and in my opinion] beautiful white F-150 FX4 Extra Cab with the little 5.4L.

By the way, it seems like I heard of someone on here that was going to turbo his R/T Dakota and something about 750 hp. Hmmm? It is one of those guys that loves to use nitrous on his quads, and come to think about it, he has a real Hemi. One that is really worthy of that Legendary name. If you want to know who it is, just search the gallery. Maybe we need to have a "Who am I contest" on here where you try to guess who we are talking about. He just might also have a turbo Raptor in the works.

All of these brands of vehicles are nice. Each has there problems or deficiencies. I'm a Ford loyal consumer that thinks the new Hemi is nothing more than a marketing strategy. {In no way do I mean to offend anyone with my opinions.} Seems like every Dodge lover thinks they have to have a Hemi. I guess I'll just have to get the New F-150. NOT, I like the one I have. Ford is not going to convince me that I need to upgrade to the newest, totally redesigned F-150, blah, blah, blah. I already have more truck than I need.

I have a brother-in-law that would buy Dodge no matter what. That's what he likes. He's literally ate up with Dodge / Chrysler products. That is his right and as long as he's happy with what he gets, then I'm happy for him. To each his own.

The simple truth behind his desire for a hemi is that he relates the old Hemi's with the new. And he can impress everyone because people will pull up to the stoplight and ask "is that a Hemi?" Yeah right. Just like I'm going to take my Ford pulling a Shelby Mustang and out accelerate the truck next to me because I have more low end torque. What a joke. That is like drag racing a Diesel Polaris quad.

The old hemis were awesome dragsters. Blown / nitrous hemi's are legendary. The most impressive car I have ever seen at the dragstrip was an altered axle Dodge/Chrysler with a blown Hemi. He was from Racine (sp?) Wisconsin. That car was bad. He broke and I didn't get to see a full run, but I saw enough. Just having seen his car carry the front wheels to half track (it was an 1/8th mile strip) on his "dry hop" was worth the trip and spectator fee.

But this is 2003 and so the new Hemi produces 345 hp. The new naturally aspirated 5.4 is 300 hp. Just because the Dodge is a hemi, doesn't mean it is great powerhouse like the old 426s. Considering how technology has affected all of these vehicles is impressive. The engineering behind any vehicle is amazing.

And about blower motors; although I'm not a huge fan of a supercharger, I have to say it isn't a bad idea. Smaller engine, less compression, basically it isn't stressed all the time like a high compression, high lift / duration engine. (Cobra Mustang 390hp/4.6L = 84 hp per L = 84 hp per 61 or 62 cubic inches.) Only when you romp on the gas and get that boost pumping is when you're stressing it. That is what makes me appreciate a blower. That is another reason why I can appreciate the idea of a turbo on a banshee. You only stress it as hard as you need to.

I can't believe I'm even adding to this crazy conversation. It is definitely time to go to bed. The simple answer to the original question is Dodge Hemi. That is definitely a sporty truck to haul quads. He didn't say a race truck to pull quads.

Daren

Posted by: Daren420

DEMag,

I agree that the extra hp is nice. And I totally understand the excitement of getting that hp without having to get a diesel or V-10. I don't care for V-10s or Diesels. Just personal preference. So your point is well taken.

It isn't just about hp to a lot of people, it is the name and status of having a "hemi." Dodge is using the Hemi to its advertising advantage. But then again, who wouldn't?? I sure would.

Later,

Daren

Posted by: Daren420

My Ford will pull 1000 lbs and there are many big Fords and Dodges that would pull your truck all over the country. You really shouldn't dog somebody elses ride.

As far as your picture page and saying that you haven't been beat stoplight racing, all I have to say about that is then you haven't raced enough. There is always someone faster. And comparing your Camaro to an Intrepid is like comparing your Camaro to my CBR 929. No comparison.

Posted by: Daren420

I've seen girls in off-road VW powered buggies that would eat your Chevy for lunch. Not dogging you, just a fact.

Posted by: Daren420

I never said that my F-150 would do anything. All I know is that I like my truck a whole lot better than yours. That is my opinion and as far as Chevy being the best, well your entitled to your opinion.

And no VW, huh? I saw a girl in a buggy at Little Sahara that was running with turbo and TREX lightweight Banshees. I'm sure with a good set of street tires, she'd get you out of the hole so bad you wouldn't catch her.

There is a guy here in this town with an SS. I don't think it is as bad as he thinks. Maybe I'm wrong. I guess someday I might find out.

Posted by: Daren420

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Originally posted by: 8042
And That Hayabusa Can Leave Me Coming out But In Top End I Cant Catch Him But I Can SURE CLOSE IN ON THE GAP
Ross

What a joker.

Posted by: juggalo

relax guys give 8042 a break here. i think i know whats going on. his mommy and daddy do own a dealership but hes prob. about 12 years old just spoutin out stuff he has overheard the grownups at the dealership talking about. maybe we should call the dealership he works at (after all he did post a link) and get the true story. i'd love to hear it. explain to me excatly 8402 why do cars have multiple cylinders? why does a v-8 make more power than a v-6 and don't say displacement. if you can answer this you can answer why a v-10 makes more power than a v-8. if you know the first thing about how a 4 cycle internal combustion engine works you can answer this question easy.

Posted by: juggalo

we've already proved ourselved by not acting like you. you also didn't answer my question sufficiently. we all know more cylinders can give more power but why is that? and once again the answer is not displacement.

Posted by: juggalo

8042 your done. you can't answer my question. you jsut restated the same answer you gave before which is incorrect. you said "Have You Ever Heard That Saying Two Is Better Than One When You Have two Cylinder s You Have More Engine Displacement" EVEN after i said engine displacement was not the right answer. why is 2 better than one? are you saying a v-6 can't have more displacement than a v-8? your wrong there too pal. the correct answer is you have more powerstrokes per cycle with more cylinders. sorry. you just proved your wrong. can you even name the 4 strokes of a 4 cycle engine? how about a 2 stroke engine? thats very very basic knowledge. if you know more about cars than i can ever imagine you should have been able to answer my first question but you didn't but i will give you another chance if you can answer the new question i just asked.

Posted by: juggalo

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Originally posted by: 8042

BULL!!!! CRAP HAHA You And Juggalo Both Of You Guys Are Funny Im Done Arguing I Know About A 2 Stroke And A 4Stroke Engine I Can Tell You One Thing About Those Too It Takes Two Cycles To Make A Full Stoke And On A 4 Stoke It Takes FOUR Stokes To Make A Cycle Thats Why A Two Stoke Is FAster belive Me Son. I Know MY Engines Just As Much As You Do, Back In The 70's Detriot Diesel Made A 318, And All The Rest Of The CID's. And I Couldnt Answer That Question Yesturday Was Because I Didnt Really Get The Question You Give Me All The Questions You Want Too (WITHOUT THE ATTITUDE) We Will Get Along And I Will Answer It For You.

it takes 2 cycles to make 1 stroke on a 2 stroke engine? wrong. 4 stroke takes 4 strokes to make a cycle? thats right but definatley not the right answer to the question i asked. i'm sorry but changing the words in the question around to make an answer does not work. there should have been 4 answers for the question "what are the 4 strokes in a 4 cycle engine?" the correct answer was: intake, compression, power, exhaust. you don't know anything about engines. somebody please call that dealership and find out how old this kid really is. i'm dying to know but i can't call long distance on my phone. lets start making bets. whoevers closest gets the money. i think hes 12 years old. anybody else care to take a guess? anybody man enough to call the dealership? are the mods man enough to ban this loser?

Posted by: juggalo

just for the record killerkx's quads are insane. i have seen em with my own eyes and i have seen em in action and theres just no beating em.

anyways the new mustang is going to own the new GTO just like, the 5.0's did with the camaro/firebirds of the 80s.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

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Originally posted by: juggalo
i think hes 12 years old. anybody else care to take a guess? anybody man enough to call the dealership? are the mods man enough to ban this loser?

8042,

You quite frankly are not adding up here.

How you are expressing yourself does not fit the picture that you portray.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

You have posted 75 times and there all in this thread.

Your photo page looks good and while I do have 2 chevy trucks, Z28, I am glad I have branched away from GM.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

and how you are posting here, do you really think this is going to sway someone to a GM product. Probably not.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

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Originally posted by: 8042
Dont Get Affended

Whats wrong with having a 1969 SS350 emblem as my ICON?

ChetRacer

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

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Originally posted by: 8042
I Belive I Was Born 7/7/84

You have 2 trucks and 1 car and your 19. I'll tell you what that is spoiled, not even realistic.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

It nice that you have them, but you would not have had the required income to have purchased those vehicles and to insure them at your age.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

killerkx327

I see you have money to burn too

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

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Originally posted by: killerkx327

i have a 04 F450 heavy 1 ton dually cew cab 4x4 with the new 6.0 powerstroke diesel. i hooked it bumper to bumper with a buddies chevy, (04 duramax diesel HD dually crewcab)identical setup as mine,any one wanna wager what the outcome was? he lost severely. he lost the tranny, lost the rearend and lost the bet. if only i could find a dodge around here worth hooking to. man thats fun.

And your buddy is really out having to pay all those out of pocket expenses, no warranty work there.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

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Originally posted by: gnd111
Chevy has the ugliest truck on the market!

True and they need to fire who ever did the designing. Have you seen the new malibu? I guess ugly runs in the family.

Posted by: Raptoryfn660r

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Originally posted by: danpayne
Could someone tell the moderator to come look at this, I dont think it has anything to do with ATV's. You can pull them with any type of truck, just pick one!!!!!!!!!!!

Where do you suggest putting this thread? Its in other ATV Topics and if you will notice in this area of the forum, the threads run from a wide range of to the shoe bomber to putting dogs to sleep.

It was first in the Yamaha section if I remember correctly and I moved it to this area of the forums.

Chet

Posted by: biggerisbetter

LMAO!! Man I am too....

I wish I would have just skipped to the last post and read what Bartlett just wrote.LOL! would have saved me ALOT of time.

FYI, Nissan is now the NEW king of trucksimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif" border="0"> Thier TRITAN fullsize pick-up is head and ahoulders more powerfull than the NEW Ford, HEMI dodge,or chebby. DAMN BR>

Bigger.

Posted by: biggerisbetter

I drive a 2004 Ford with the 300 5.4,and I really like the truck alot. I havent seen the Nissan in person yet, but Their 305hp. can outrun the Fords 300hp by OVER 2 seconds 0-60mph Nissan can do it in about 7.2 seconds!! Very impressive.

I also read in POPULAR science Mag that they put a 1000lbs in the back of the Nissan, and STILL out ran the New Ford,New Hemi,and 6.0L Chevy trucks....damn!

bigger.

Posted by: Specta

Who would want a hemi, it comes in a dodge. Didn't Chrysler loose like $10 billion last year? They must definitely be on top of everything.

Posted by: Specta

Why would anybody buy any Chrysler product? Do they cost that much less than the others? Truck of the year, now that makes it better than the others, doesn't it. I have no doubt that the Cummings isn't a great engine, but Dodge doesn't make it do they? And they don't make a truck to put it in let alone handle the power it puts out.

Truck of the year. Are any of the ATV's of the Year the best ATV on the market?

"Love the power and rumble this engine makes," wrote Truck Trend Editor Mark Williams in the 2500's logbook. "This is a truck engine." Now all Dodge needs it a truck to put the fuel absorber in.

A brand new 2500 still rides like a 1968 w300 4x4, "like a rock!" Sorry Chevrolet for using a good line.

If the Dodge Cummings and Hemi are such a great trucks, and dominate all other trucks, why are they the worst selling?

Why does it take Dodge 488 ci. to keep up with Ford's 330 ci. in a Lightning? Did you know Ford SVT has a 2004 Lightning with a 5.4L that produces 500 HP and 500 ft.lbs. of torque? And a transmission to handle it! Now what is Dodge going to do? Build a 699 ci. V-12? Where will they get a transmission? Does Mitsubishi have one on the shelf they can let Chrysler use? Will Chrysler ever have a transmission? Will they ever hire an engineer who can fix one of their transmissions, any of them? Or maybe invent a "variable-rate- spring? Probably too deep for Chrysler.

Posted by: Specta

Who cares how you spell it? I did not bash the "Cummings" engine, just the pick-up that it comes in, re-read my comments. The Duramax is built Isuzu, not Duramax. I know the Lightning is supercharged, everybody knows that. It still takes Dodge a 488 ci "oinker" to keep up with it. Maybe you should let them know what "forced air induction" is. Doesn't a blower just increase the volumetric efficiency of the combustion chamber? I know the 500 hp Lightning is a concept vehicle, but they have one and can drive it and dont have to "guess" how fast it is. It has the same 5.4L that is in the 2004 Ford GT, not a concept vehicle, a production vehicle. Where is that R/T anyway? Why does Dodge "estimate" how fast it is? Don't they have one that actually runs? Maybe is a pretty big word. Maybe 2006?

You have told me nothing I don't already know. I just didn't think I have to fill in the fine print or write between the lines.

Educate yourself. Gain knowledge on a product before you attempt to throw in your "witty" remarks. Just a heads up.

The fact is, Dodge is at the end of the line. It always has been and always will be.

Posted by: Specta

A very good friend of mine has a new Dodge 1500 Hemi and is very happy with it and I hope it lasts a long time and is trouble free. He traded in a 95 F-150 on it. Other than regular maint he said he had to turn the rotors (twice including replacing the brakes) and replace a rear main seal in his Ford and that was unacceptable to him. I know what he means, after only 142,000 miles I think those are excessive repairs too. I hope his new pick-up treats him better.

I would be done and leave but I can't find the key to my M38 Power Wagon.

(sorry, I get a little carried away sometimes, you should see my truck)

Posted by: Specta

I have been following this thread and still don't understand why anyone would ever buy a Dodge, or any other Chrysler product, period. Unless they just plain want the cheapest mode of transpertation.

Posted by: killerkx327

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Yalk to the guy who has 15,000 miles on a 6.0 Powerstroke with NO problem. That would be me. Or talk to the guy who just got rid of a Hemi because it ABSORBES gas, like nothing I ever saw. That would be me. Talk to the guy with a GMC Duramax with the Allison. That would be me. I've tried or am currently trying them all boys, you think what you want, I know what's best. The Ford would drag the Hemi AND Duramax faster than they will go on their own. I love these forums where everyone has an opion, but knowone knows the facts.

very well said, i was reading down this forum wondering if anyone on here actually knew something about these trucks other then what thier redneck nieghbor has told them.
theres a reason why for is the number selling truck in the world for 25 years in a row. becuase they are built better and engineered better.i will give chevy some props on thier new trucks as they have been coming out with all kinds of neat little gadgets on their trucks to entice people to buy them.but ford though, they build trucks,not oversized grocery getters with a big trunk.they're built to work and they work harder,better and longer then any other truck availabnle in any category.
and all of you dodge fellas, that think the hemi is the best thing since padded bras, then think twice, the hemi is nothing more then a namesake badge to make you think they have something more special then the next guy. well guess what, the ford 4.6 and 5.4 are also hemi's.it's all in the cylinder head design.
so guess what nothing special there dodge boys.
i have a 04 F450 heavy 1 ton dually cew cab 4x4 with the new 6.0 powerstroke diesel. i hooked it bumper to bumper with a buddies chevy, (04 duramax diesel HD dually crewcab)identical setup as mine,any one wanna wager what the outcome was? he lost severely. he lost the tranny, lost the rearend and lost the bet. if only i could find a dodge around here worth hooking to. man thats fun.

Posted by: killerkx327

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Originally posted by: RAPTORYFM660r
killerkx327

I see you have money to burn too

i don't have money to burn , but i don't mind spending it faster then i can make it. heII i can't take it with me and i'm not leaving it for some ungrateful arsehole to spend the money they didn't earn.

Posted by: killerkx327

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And your buddy is really out having to pay all those out of pocket expenses, no warranty work there.

well actually he work at GM so it wasn't quite a problem to get it taken care off.thankfully.

Posted by: killerkx327
gnd111
sounds to me like everything you've had to say is a bull shlt statement so far. in the spring when i go to gainesville for the spring natioanls why don't you meet me there with whatever truck you can muster up, i have no problem hooking to anyone. if i lose i lose, no big deal, can't win them all.
but there isn't a truck built by chevy or dodge with my pulling capacity then the good ol'ford boys.

8042in truck and suv sales ford outsells chevy quite easily. yes chevrolet is the biggest auto manufacturer, with GMC,chevrolet,pontiac,buick,cadilac, where ford only has ford, lincoln and mercury. but the fact still remains that ford had 5 of the top ten best selling vehicles in the united states and chevy has two in the top ten. and ford trucks are the number 1 selling vehicle in the united states and the number 1 selling truck in the world. it is on the top of the ten best selling vehicles in the states, and chevy trucks are number 2 , and dodge doesn't have a single vehicle in the top ten selling vehicles in the states.
this is fact ,not something i made up.
Posted by: BigBadScrambler
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To Everyone That Didnt Know The Fords Powerstoke 6.0L Diesel IS NOT Is Childs Play In The Diesels Catagory, The New Duramax IS Kicking A** With 310Hp/590Ftlb Not Even Dodge's 5.9L Turbo Diesel (Cummins) Doesnt Want TO Get In This New Breed Of Diesels, And Also If You Didnt Know Gm Has A NEW V10 Diesel (Which Is Still IN Production) There Saying IT Will Produce 425Hp/770Ftlb Pretty Tough For Just A Factory Diesel

NOTE: The V10 Is Just A Test (Production May Vary) Or Subject To Change.

The 2004.5 Dodge Cummins I-6 (yes, thats 2 less cylinders than you Duramax V8) produces 325 horsepower and 600 ft/lbs of torque at only 1600 RPM. Read it here
Posted by: BigBadScrambler
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Well IF The V10 Diesel Hits The Street It's Gonna Have GROUND Pounding Pulling Torqe 770Ftlb! But Production May Vary!

Thats an IF. You said so yourself, that it is still in production phases. The new cummins is a WILL and it WILL be the big dog on the road, and its STILL only a 6 cylinder!!!!
Posted by: Eiger376
Well a nice new sporty truck to pull a ATV would be a new 03 Silverado SS. Plenty of 6.0L Vortec power (345hp) and standard AWD. Very nice truck to have, kinda expensive also.
Posted by: Eiger376
Yea I know, I havent seen one on the road yet. Only on the showcases.
Posted by: Eiger376
Ok I think were getting kinda carried away, hes only going to be hauling a ATV. A lil 4 cylinder Nissan truck could do this job with no problems. But hey if you have the money a 03 Silverado 2500HD/6.6L Duramax Diesel with a Allison Tranny will do great!!!
Posted by: Eiger376
I wish CAT would make a diesel for the small trucks. Sheeww then you would have a nice truck with the best Diesel ever created known to man.
Posted by: Eiger376
I like Ford and Dodge. I also like the Powerstroke and Cummins. But im a Chevrolet fan. I havent heard much talk about the Duramax, but all that I have heard has been good, havent seen no bad comments about them yet. 6.6L Duramax 300hp 520lb/ft, I do believe that its the weakest of them all is this not correct? Recently a friend showed me a article in Four Wheeling magazine that had the Ford F250SD Powerstroke, Dodge 2500HD Cummings, and the GMC 2500HD Duramax competing. Well the GMC was the slowest to the 1/4 mile by a small amount of time, cant really remember how much slower. But with all the trucks with trailor loads, the GMC had the quickest acceleration with a load. With the Diesels all close with the same HP and Torque you cannot really tell a whole lot of difference I wouldnt think, But I know im prolly wrong. But I do think the Duramax needs to be upgraded, it will eventually. Hopefully soon.
Posted by: Eiger376
Looks like the new powerstroke dint do all that well for how new it is, I figured it would have done better than the rest. Looks like the Cummings and Duramax had better results.
Posted by: Eiger376
All this bashing on Brand names isnt going to get yall anywhere. Different people like different brands. I see these threads all the time and nothing gets accomplished. Im a Chevrolet fan, theres nothing you can say or do about it to change my mind. I dont care if it is a fact. Another thing, alot of people bash Dodges. There the best looking damn truck on the road, Fords alright, and Chevrolet doesnt look all that great but I can deal with it. If your going to bash the diesels that come in these trucks, dont bash the brand name that it comes in. Ford, Chevy, and dodge dont make diesels, well Chevy did at one time but it wasnt worth anything really. Very Intelligent Engineers build these trucks, and if your not a engineer I dont think you alt to be bashin anything.
Posted by: Eiger376
hmmm Stock Z/28 camaro has 310 hp and I dont know how much torque around 300+. 97 and down had 275HP and not sure how much torque.
Posted by: raptor03
I want that SS, i seen them and they are sick looking
Posted by: FTZLT250r
Wow, the base Ram 1500 comes with a Hemi..... What a deal! Right..... How much extra is the Hemi option over the base 1500?
Posted by: Ol
I really like my Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel, but is it THE best. Probabably not. If any truck was THE BEST how long would everyone else stay in business?

Posted by: carver
you know, get off your crack pipe & grow up. really, i have seen what you have posted & im' a litlle worried. get help man.
Posted by: FUFIGHTER
DID YOU SAY WHICH ATV IS THE BEST TO PULL A LIGHTNING OR HEMI?
Posted by: MikeCer
has anyone seen the New Dodge Ram SRT-10, 8.3-liter 505 cu. in

New Dodge

Dodge Web site
Posted by: gnd111
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My brother just bought a Ram 1500 Quad Cab with the Hemi and the 20 inch rims fully loaded for $24,000.

Must have bought it used.....

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The srt/10 is supposed to be around the same price as the ford lightning maybe a lil more.

About $12K more......

Posted by: gnd111
I just drove the 2 of them for the last 2 weeks. The Hemi felt beter down low but the 6.0 got 2 mpg better.
Posted by: gnd111

I couldn't have said it better except for one thing, the 6.0 powered GMC doesn't have the power of the Hemi and gets worse MPG.

Wrong. I just spent the last couple weeks driving both of them. The Hemo felt better on the low end but not anything noticeable about 40mph. And the Hemi got almost 2 mpg WORSE on average....

Posted by: gnd111

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ALRIGHT THEN IF THE V10 REACTS FASTER WHY DONT THEY USE THEM IN NHRA
THATS YOURE QUESTION ANSWER THAT IM A Mechanic Ya Knowhr>

What do you mean reacts you idiot! Engines don't react! NHRA has used the same basic HEMI design Chrysler came out with in 1964 because it ts the most EFFICIENT design...NOT because it RACTS faster....

You spell like a garbage carrier -- not a mechanic....idiot

Posted by: gnd111

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Exactly You Can Get Just As Much As Power With A V8 Just As Much As A v10

That depends. That is like saying the same of a V6 to a V8 -- THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT..................PERIOD.....idiot

Posted by: gnd111

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That Quite Didnt Make Sence!hr>

Neither does your 6th grade spelling....idiot

Posted by: gnd111

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Im Not Trying To Change The Subject BUT DID YALL KNOW (I Want To Share This Info With Yall) That The NEW 2004-2005 Chevrolet Corvette Is Gonna Have Some MAJOR CHANGES Like It's Called The C5 Next Year It Will Be Called The C6 And Also. . . . REMEMBER THE VIPER WITH The SO BIG V10 8.3L With 500Hp And 500Ftlb Remember That. . . NEWS BREAK (LoL) The 2004 Chevrolet Covette WILL NOW BE The Competitor IT Will ALSO Have The 5.7L 32V WITH 500Hp And 530FtLb Now Yall Tell Me That Chevrolet Isnt Good? Or What ?!?!?!?Thats Great News Guys Reall Good News.

Nothing wrong with Chevy's......Just idiots like you promoting them.......

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Originally posted by: danpayne
the 6.0 has more power, im not sure where you heard that from. I thought all this was supposed to be dropped.

I didn't say it had more power -- read then speak grasshopper. The Hemi felt better down low but didn't feel like it had better acceleration in passing situations...get it?

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Originally posted by: DEMag
Sweet. I love Corvettes. But unfortunately Chevy is going to have to do a little better then that. Dodge is currently working on a new Hemi V10 for the Viper which is supposed to be putting out 700 - 800HP stock.BR>
Also in the works is a 6.1L Hemi V8 that produces 500 - 600HP.

Neither of these engines will be out until at least 2005 - 2006. So Chevy can have the spotlight.....for now.BR>
Sounds to me like the performance and HP wars are on in the auto industry. I love it. They HAVE to keep raising the bar to beat the competition. Where will it end? This is great though. 5 years ago I never would have thought there would be a production sport pickup with 500HP on the market (the SRT-10). It just keeps getting better and better.

Don't believe the hype Demag...........

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Don't believe the hype Demag...........

Yeah, well, I didn't believe the hype when they were talking about putting a Viper motor in the Ram. I also didn't believe the hype when they were talking about a next generation Lightning with 500HP.

I guess I should have believed in both situations because it turned out neither were hype.

Daimler/Chrysler is only gonna spend so much money R&D on these motors. They drasticly need to improve fuel effeciency if they think consumers will want these in cars. I wish they would as i grew up Mopar and had a 1970 Road Runner, and a 1970 Cuda at times in my life....

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6000 Hp Is The Powerfullist V8 That You Can Get But Youre Right They Did Get GOOD Hp Out Of That Buick Grand National. They Did Kick Soem Serious Butt In The 80's I Will Say That But What Im Saying Is That NO FACTORY Made Car Will Need NO V10 For The Factorys The V8 Will And Can Get Everything They Want It Too Im Not Talking Top Fuel 5-6K Im Just Talking Mabe At The Max 550Hp And Yes You Can Get That Out Of An V8 Why Would Dodge Want That BIG V10?!?!?!?!And If You Want To Go Back Dodge Could Get That 500 Hp Out Of There 5.9L 360Cid With NO PROBLEM Chevrolet Is MAking It Possible. Why Cant Dodge? It's Nonsence Dodge Just Wants To Make People Say WOW! When They See 5 cylinders On One Side And 5 Cyl On The Other But That Also Adds More Weight With Those 2 Extra Cylinders And I Guess Dodge Dont Know That? ? ? ?? hr>

The level of ignorance you show in every respect to the subject matter at hand lends me to believe you are either mentally challenged or piece together bits of information from magazine articles to come up with your own conclusions.. Powerfullest??...IDIOT!

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Also What Has Been The Most Powerfullist ENgine In The World Not No V10 Not No V6,V12 OR V16 It Has Been A BIG BLOCK V8 Thats Been A PROVEN Fact.

This is true. But no one has ever tried to make anything but a V8 for ultra high hp applications (top fuel). More cubic inches and more cylinders could make more hp -- but why would they need to?

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Originally posted by: 8042
And To Texas Psycho This Is Just Talk And To WHOEVER Else Think That Im Against Them Becaust Im Not It's Just Talk

You point being? You spell like a 6th grader, you talk like an 8th grader and i am willing to bet you don't even own your own car yet.....IDIOT!

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Exactly IDIOT Because They Dont Need Any More Power 5-6 Thousand Hp Is All That Is Needed Noone Wants A V10 You Must Be one Of Those FUTURE v10-V12 Engine IDIOTS Ill Say It Once And Ill Say It Again Noone Has TRYED To Get More Power Out Of A V10 Is Because THEY DONT NEED IT V8's Can Have More And Just as Much As Power AS ANYONE WOULD WANT Except For Uni pac (Union Pacific) Or Southering Pacific Go To Germany And France YOU IDIOT AND Shove Those V10's And V12's Up Youre A**!! Thats What You Can You You Little Future Looking Sucka! YOURE IN AMERICA This Is V8 COUNTRY!! Go To Germany And All THose Places And LEarn Youre V10-V12 Farraris And Porshe's Thats What I Can Tell You You IDIOThr>

Exactly -- but don't run your gums and say it can't be done...freakin clown....IDIOT

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You point being? You spell like a 6th grader, you talk like an 8th grader and i am willing to bet you don't even own your own car yet.....IDIOT!

Geeze You Act Like A Freaking 5th Grader With All That IDIOT Crap Everyone Has Forgot All That Arguing Execpt You, You Just Dont Understand How Stupid You Sound With All That Idiot Crap And Also If I Didnt Have My Own Car And You Do Then Why Do I Have A Profile And You The IDIOT Does Not ???? Now DOesnt That Sound Just Stupid?!?!? Youre Crazy Man Im Done Arguing With You You Need To Be on The Movie Back To The Future And LEarn Youre V-10's And V-12's Then Shove Them Somewhere That The Sun Dont Shine And TO EVERYONE THAT LISTENS TO THIS IDIOT Before We Belive Him He Needs To Show Proof Of Youre Cars And Trucks What ever You Have (Mabe A Bike OR A Moped) Haha Youre Very Funny (LITTLE KID)! Very Funny.

I have a GSX1300R, 2 cars,, 2 trucks, 2 4 wheelers , house, 3 kids and whatever else i want. And have been outta mom and dad's house for 16 years now...Can you add??? IDIOT!

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relax guys give 8042 a break here. i think i know whats going on. his mommy and daddy do own a dealership but hes prob. about 12 years old just spoutin out stuff he has overheard the grownups at the dealership talking about. maybe we should call the dealership he works at (after all he did post a link) and get the true story. i'd love to hear it. explain to me excatly 8402 why do cars have multiple cylinders? why does a v-8 make more power than a v-6 and don't say displacement. if you can answer this you can answer why a v-10 makes more power than a v-8. if you know the first thing about how a 4 cycle internal combustion engine works you can answer this question easy.

Don't forget -- he's an IDIOT!

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Why is dodge number 3? I'll tell you why you IDIOT. It's because of the lack of bdy style changes from 1974 to 1992 on the trucks. The horrible reliablility issues in the late 70's thru late 80's and because the motors in their trucks had less hp/tq than Ford or Chevy in the 80's. Thats why --- IDIOT!

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To EVERYONE Who Is Listening To These IDIOTS WHO WANTS A V10 But Them?? I Want Answers I Dont Know Much About V10's And Really Dont Give A Frogs Fat A**

It is EXACTLY the same as a V8 but with 2 more cylinders...IDIOT

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And To MAke You Over Think Youreself Why Do you NOT See Many Vipers On The Road For One There Too Expensive And That V10! There You Go If You Went Into An Autopars Store Like Autozone And Asked For Parts For A v10 They Would Look At You Like Youre Where One STUPID Son Of A Gun. And Dodge 81,000.00 WOW V10 500Hp/500Ftlb/ Chevrolet 60,000.00 530/515Ftlb WOW And Thats A V8!!! This Isnt Yet to Come But In 2004 The Corvette Will Have These Specifacations. Look At The Prices And The Hp The Corvette Is Producing MORE Hp And Is Only 60,000.00 And the dodge Viper Is LEss Hp WHY IS THIS??? Because Of That So Called BIG LONG BANKED V10!!! Chevy Is Gonna Have A V8 NExt Year And IT's PRODUCING 500Hp Wow Thats Alot That Isnt Impossible For A V8 You Nutt.

They Vette is an outstanding vehicle - no question about it. Did you know that Chrysler build the V10 as an exotic alternative? It's not all about HP my friend..err IDIOT... We will see what happens next year and we'll see if the displacement changes in the Vette to. Until then it's all speculation...

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relax guys give 8042 a break here. i think i know whats going on. his mommy and daddy do own a dealership but hes prob. about 12 years old just spoutin out stuff he has overheard the grownups at the dealership talking about. maybe we should call the dealership he works at (after all he did post a link) and get the true story. i'd love to hear it. explain to me excatly 8402 why do cars have multiple cylinders? why does a v-8 make more power than a v-6 and don't say displacement. if you can answer this you can answer why a v-10 makes more power than a v-8. if you know the first thing about how a 4 cycle internal combustion engine works you can answer this question easy.

You Guys Are So Funny It Stinks Thats Funny I Try To Keep The Peace But You Guys (GIRLS) Cant Seem To Get Along This Expecially Goes For You gnd111 Youre Really Bad Arent You Whos Talking And Cant Back IT Up I Have MY Cars And If That Isnt Enough I Think I Pictures Of Everything Now You Juggalo You May Not Be Lieing But I That Gnd111 Think He Knows Everything Youve Probrably Rode In A Damn Rocket Havent You? It Sure Seems Like Youve Rode In Everything Even A Viper What Model Was That Viper Anyway? (You Girls Can Say What ever You Want Too But Im Not Arguing With You Anymore) Im Tired Of Little Kids Gnd111???? You Sure Act Like It.

Never have rode a rocket. Unless you consider the fact that my bike has a proven top speed (cpu restricted) to 184mph.... Faster than ANY Chevy... I do work on rockets, missles, bombs and guns for the military. I used to be stationed in California in the 80's -- might have had sex with your mom???

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What does a detroit deisel have to dowith this subject...IDIOT! And he never said anything about the actual strokes per firing revolution...IDIOT!

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IF YOU THINK I BELIVE THAT YOU MUST BE ONE CRAZY MUTHA I DONT THINK NOONE DOES YOURE Laying Too Many Things On Us. If Thats The Case Say That Youve Went To Space Because Thats What Kind Of Sence In Getting Out Of You. Now To The Chevy Not Doing 184 What About Prostock At The End Of That Track There Going Over 200 Mph, GET OUT IN FRONT OF THEM BUDDY And Well See Who Gets Ran Over Haha Youre Funny Man. Whats The Next Thing Youve Done In Youre Lifetime. Haha, Youre Funny.

I'm talking about STOCK PRODUCTION vehicles...IDIOT! I have been in the military for 16 years and i work on weapons and weapons sytems....IDIOT! You never answered the question about your mom...Am i your father...You are 14 right???

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Just DO NOT take your vehicle to the dealership he works at!!

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Well, Yeah That Is Realistic Because That 2002 Silverado Was My Senior Year Truck That I Brought MYSELF With Help From Parents (LoL) And That Camaro Isnt Mine It's My Dads But Ive Done All Of The Mods On It (Well He Helped) And I Drive It Every Now And Then And I Keep It Most Of the Time So One Day Im Thinking He'll Give It To Me. Now the SS IS Mine I got It For My 19th B-day From My Parents And A GOOD Price Took Off From Gwatney Chevrolet. And So Thats How I Have 3 Vehicles (Actually Two) But Im Thinking Ill Get That Camaro Someday.hr>

He needs to give you an azz whoopin.....IDIOT Wait till you gotta pay all your own bills and you won insurance on all those vehicles -- when daddy ain't supportin your smart azz... I can understand why you ar biased towards Chevy but you don't know everything about cars just cause your dad has or works at a dealership. Alot of people on this board been working on cars for a lon time now. Hell i got my first mortorcycle in 1978...

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IF YOU THINK I BELIVE THAT YOU MUST BE ONE CRAZY MUTHA I DONT THINK NOONE DOES YOURE Laying Too Many Things On Us. If Thats The Case Say That Youve Went To Space Because Thats What Kind Of Sence In Getting Out Of You. Now To The Chevy Not Doing 184 What About Prostock At The End Of That Track There Going Over 200 Mph, GET OUT IN FRONT OF THEM BUDDY And Well See Who Gets Ran Over Haha Youre Funny Man. Whats The Next Thing Youve Done In Youre Lifetime. Haha, Youre Funny.

I'm talking about STOCK PRODUCTION vehicles...IDIOT! I have been in the military for 16 years and i work on weapons and weapons sytems....IDIOT! You never answered the question about your mom...Am i your father...You are 14 right???

I'm still in...IDIOT! I only have 4 more years to go and will be under 40 when i retire.....

Youre Funny If Thats The Case Why Didnt You Resign Up For The Other 4 Years And Earned Retirement You IDIOT. Youre 2 RIGHT?????

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Originally posted by: 8042
And Again Answer My Question Why Is The Dimler Chrystler Coporation STILL Number 3 Since That V10 Is Soo Good. .. Answer That Question ANd Ill Just About Pay You 150.00. You Never Answerd That Question. And Dont Give Me That Truck Crap Because That Isnt Why.

One engine isn't gonna make you go from last in sales to first....IDIOT Ford outsells Chevy every year since 1984 so what's the point? IDIOT

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Originally posted by: killerkx327

i have a 04 F450 heavy 1 ton dually cew cab 4x4 with the new 6.0 powerstroke diesel. i hooked it bumper to bumper with a buddies chevy, (04 duramax diesel HD dually crewcab)identical setup as mine,any one wanna wager what the outcome was? he lost severely. he lost the tranny, lost the rearend and lost the bet. if only i could find a dodge around here worth hooking to. man thats fun.

That is the biggest BS statement i have read on this board next to all of 8042 BS statements....

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Ford has always sold more trucks. If you don't know that then you don't know anything. The reports are published quarterly and yearly by JD Powers.... I am only talking about trucks ....
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Well, Yeah That Is Realistic Because That 2002 Silverado Was My Senior Year Truck That I Brought MYSELF With Help From Parents (LoL) And That Camaro Isnt Mine It's My Dads But Ive Done All Of The Mods On It (Well He Helped) And I Drive It Every Now And Then And I Keep It Most Of the Time So One Day Im Thinking He'll Give It To Me. Now the SS IS Mine I got It For My 19th B-day From My Parents And A GOOD Price Took Off From Gwatney Chevrolet. And So Thats How I Have 3 Vehicles (Actually Two) But Im Thinking Ill Get That Camaro Someday.hr>

He needs to give you an azz whoopin.....IDIOT Wait till you gotta pay all your own bills and you won insurance on all those vehicles -- when daddy ain't supportin your smart azz... I can understand why you ar biased towards Chevy but you don't know everything about cars just cause your dad has or works at a dealership. Alot of people on this board been working on cars for a lon time now. Hell i got my first mortorcycle in 1978...

You May Have I Didnt Say I knew Everything I Just Said That I Know HOW AND WHAT My Vehicles Are Capable Of Thats All Im Saying And Then I Dont Know Who Changed It To, I Think I know Everything About Cars. But I will Say This I Do Know Alot About Cars Just Not Everything. And Yes I Will Be Able To Afford My Insurance Im Just waiting Until I Get Alittle Older Because Insurance Would Tear A New WHole Im My AZZ At This Age. THATs Why Im Waiting. But Soon I Will Have My Own Insurance And I WILL Be Able To Afford It.

Cool. now that you have finally admitted that you don't know everything we can talk like civilized beings....

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Did Everyone The GTO Is Back Also, Its Coming Early 2004. The Specifacations: It Has A 5.7L 350Cid 350Hp/365Ftlb It's Rear Wheel Drive, It's Taking Up Where The Firebird Left Off In 2002 It Will Be A Very Sweet Car According To The Pontiac Motor Division. They Have Pictures Of It On Their Website At Www.Pontiac.com It Looks Pretty Sweet And If You Think The Camaro And The Firebird Was Fast Just Imagine A 35 Hp Increase. If You Go To That Website You Can Hear How The Gto Sounds It Sounds Real Muscular And They Also Have A Clip Of How Fast The Gto Accelerates. I Think This Will Be A True Sports Car Not Quite As Fast As The 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra But It's Right There With It. Take A Look At It I Dont Think Anyone Would Be Disappointed.

But the GTO is also heavy and slow. They haven't gotten it any quicker than 14.4 in the 1/4 and it is being marketed towrds upper 30's/ low 40's aged men with incomes in the 80K range that want a quick luxo car. hence the 32K price tag....

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WannabeeKillaBoy... Only idiots tie their trucks together to tear them up. However there is a very well known Mudpit in Lawtey off highway 301 if you want to do some mud bogging on Sunday afternoon.... I am a drag racer by nature so if you want to do that i'll run my Tacoma against you...

And you are correct about the truck/suv sales.....

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gnd111
sounds to me like everything you've had to say is a bull shlt statement so far.

For instance? Examples please? I have factual evidence of all the things i have said and will post them for you....Internet is a great tool -- use it sometime....KillaBeeWannaBee

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This is from USA TODAY....I got it just for you 8042.......

Holding the line on pickups:

•Ram tough. Sales of Dodge's (DCX) updated Ram were up 46% in October. New ads tout the Ram's "Hemi" engine.

•Silver bullet. Sales for the No. 2-selling Silverado were down 6% in October, but Chevrolet (GM) expects to see a sales lift in the first quarter with the launch of a half-ton crew model, says spokesman John Schwegman.

•Towing titan. Nissan (NSANY) will introduce its first full-size pickup Dec. 1. A major ad campaign begins later this month, but current ads promote it as a rival to Ford by touting towing capacity and a 305- horsepower engine.

•Best seller. Ford (F) has stepped up marketing behind the new edition this fall of its F-150, the country's best-selling pickup (and overall vehicle) since 1977. A $150 million marketing campaign is backing the truck's first redesign in seven years.

Sales were up 11.6% in October vs. last year.

The strong month followed a record-setting September, when Ford sold 81,782 F-150s (a 31% boost over last year).

Here some good info on who sells the most trucks. Ford is still number 1, Chevy 2, Dodge 3 for full size.... The proof is in the internet for those that seek it...... And Chevy's sales will continue to be low cause this is the first year ever that Chevy has the ugliest truck on the market!
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Originally posted by: DEMag
One more thing TexasPsycho......do you have any pics of your Supra? Or to be more specific, any pics of the engine? I LOVE Supra Twin Turbos!! And I must say, I am very jealous.You probably race it right? Have any 1/4 mi times?

I have a couple of Supra videos on my home computer if you'd like me to send them to you. One is a black Supra racing a worked Mustang. It smoked the stang. I also have one of a Red Supra TT on the dyno. It put out 800HP.Sweet!

Supras and built Vipers can be tough to run from a roll even with a bigbore bike. The can be decievingly fast. I almost lost to one that had 786 RWHP cause i underestimated it... Never again will i doubt how fast a built Supra can be. I did lose to the Viper that had over 900 RWHP with the 200 pill activated...

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Since the new GTO is a Luxury Cruiser i would hope the Mustange owns it. Mustang own firebirds/camaros in the 80's but were sadly far behind the chevy's in the 90's....
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Originally posted by: 8042[/b Now Thats Gonna Really throw Some Mechanics For A Terrible Spin I Would Hate To Rebuild That Suck I MAY Could Do It But It Would Be Hard Because Of The Cam Configuration It Has 1 Cam Then Another Little Cam For THat 5th Cylinder. That Would Be Interesting To Tear Into And Look What And How It Was Engineered.

It a straight 5 just like a straight 6. ONE camshaft -- not 2.....

Posted by: Kintama

All the trucks out, have their pro's and con's. Cars were made to go fast! Trucks were made as UTILITY vehicles. I like the Dodge, and the Ford, but the Chevy's just seem cheap to me.
Posted by: trailrider500
hey hey!! dont get me started on them old pushrod 350s now!!! FORD POWER!!! lol
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8042,
Do you even have an ATV?? just wondering... I think you may need to join a car and truck forum, put up some pics of your quads, a few car/truck pics are ok but this site is for ATVs not cars/trucks/suvs...
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This topic laid in it's grave peacefully for almost three months... Then SOMEONE just had to dig it back up...

what a shame... Oh well, ford guys and chevy guys always fight thats just how it is and always will be as long as its clean...
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Originally posted by: trailrider5008042,Do you even have an ATV?? just wondering... I think you may need to join a car and truck forum, put up some pics of your quads, a few car/truck pics are ok but this site is for ATVs not cars/trucks/suvs...
Yes I Have An Atv Except It's An Hunting Four Wheeler It's An 03 Suzuki EIGER 400 4X4

Awesome!
Posted by: uthatch
You guys are sick people LOL!!! You just need to get a 6.0 Powerstroke and cruise past ANY Hemi (I know my Dad has one), 6.0 Chevy (He's got a Denali too), or about anything else for that matter. NOTHING stock out tows this truck. Now if you want speed, get a Lightning. Add the 10K more that the SRT10 will cost to the Lightning and it will leave it like it's standing still. Or save a couple bucks and get a new F-150 and have the nicest new truck on the market. Any way you look at it, you better check out the Ford dealer really close!
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Yalk to the guy who has 15,000 miles on a 6.0 Powerstroke with NO problem. That would be me. Or talk to the guy who just got rid of a Hemi because it ABSORBES gas, like nothing I ever saw. That would be me. Talk to the guy with a GMC Duramax with the Allison. That would be me. I've tried or am currently trying them all boys, you think what you want, I know what's best. The Ford would drag the Hemi AND Duramax faster than they will go on their own. I love these forums where everyone has an opion, but knowone knows the facts.
Posted by: uthatch
First of all, the Powerstroke WILL beat a Hemi of the same weight, period. In fact, the Ford weighs about 300 lbs. more. I'm not wondering that, it's a fact. The Hemi is the most overrated motor of the decade so far. What really kills it is the crumby transmission. It's the worst new trans of any truck/vehicle I've driven. If you don't believe me, do your homework. Just because you're a Dodge fan certainly doesn't make them better. On the upside, the Hemi sounds awsome.

The reason the Dodge was not included in the commercial is simple. They are too retarded to make an auto trans that can stand up to their HO Cummins. They just recently put an auto behind it and it's a 4-speed. I guess nobody told them it's 2003.

I have had no reflashes done on my truck and have had it since Jan. It works perfectly. If you look at the grand total of trucks sold to the amount of problems, you would be surprised. There have been some intial teething problems, but they are sorted out and Ford had a record diesel sales month in August.

As for the medium duty trucks, yes you can get a Cummins or Powerstroke or a multitude of engine/tranny combos. What's the point?

Personnaly I don't care which brand is best, I want the best truck. I bought the Ford because there is a noticable difference in power and refinement over the other two brands. So far my truck has been perfect and I hope it stays that way. You never know, anything can happen.
Posted by: uthatch
As far as I can tell, the Cummins is a great motor. They are way reliable and respond great to mods. The only problem is the trans Dodge puts behind it. They do have that awsome big rig sound!!
Posted by: uthatch
Here's an article from a famous Chevy lover.

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stories/2003shootout/page1.html
Posted by: uthatch
Did we both read the same article???!!! The Ford crushed both the Dodge and the Chevy!!!

As for the Hemi/Ford Run, somehow I'm not surprised a short bed, modified, 1500 Hemi is faster than a Ford!!! Has anyone ever considered comparing apples with apples??? How about running that Hemi against a Lightning. 15.40 to 13.65. Wouldn't stand much of a chance, would it?? But let me guess, the Lighting is a sport truck, so it's not a fair comparison!! DUH! If you want to find a stock Hemi with an extended cab (if you can call it that), and a long bed and want to race tha, I'm more than ready. I'll gladly make the trip to raceway park. I already KNOW the results, I've done it, I'm not wondering.

You guys, I'm not trying to sound like I'm bragging, but I or my Dad has had most of these trucks and I know the reults. The Ford is the strongest...period. Race it against a lighter Dode or Chevy and it will lose. Race it against the equivalent truck and it will win.
Posted by: uthatch
Take a look at the latest Truck Trend Magazine. The Ford again kills the Chevy. THEY DIDN'T EVEN ENTER A DODGE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A TRUCK TO COMPETE. What good is all the great engine options if you can't even get what you want. Ford wrote the book on trucks...every page.
Posted by: uthatch
Oh, that's not to mention the spine crushing ride on the Dodge. Why does it have to ride SO hard when the Ford/Chevy don't??? I like the excuse that it's a 2500. It rides stupid hard for no good reason.
Posted by: uthatch
The very latest Truck Trend.
Posted by: uthatch
That was in ADDITION to the truck have a weak motor. I'm simply commenting on addition things that makes the Dodge suck. How do you figure I got "shut down"? I'm not the one that has less hp & torque. You are doing a damn good job of ignoring reality, but just because you got suckered into a Dodge, doesn't make them better. Ford has more combinations, more available hp, more available torque, you name it. There is not one area where Ford can not whip Dodge. Why do you think Ford sells over twice the amount of diesels as GM & Dodge combined? Who makes the fastest truck there is?

Dodge got the Truck of the Year because it is SUCH an impovement over the prior clunkers. Does anyone really care who the Truck of the Year is anyway? And if you do, name me the winners of the last five years. I live in reality, where Ford sells the most, works the best, and has all the bases covered.
Posted by: uthatch
Preach on... Exactly what I'm talking about. Just because something is someone's latest offering does not make it the best. Look at the Predator (not to knock the Predator, I never rode one). When it came out it was ATV of the year. Now every test seems to knock it for some reason or other. It may be a great quad and the Dodge is a great truck (compared to the last generation) but it certainly is not the best.
Posted by: uthatch
Preach on again. Duramax is not a company. The Lightning is real, not a guess. The GT is real and will crush a Viper. Why doesn't Dodge put a blower on anything? Because they do not have a trans that can stand it!! Dodge has something for the kids to tinker with, but when it comes down to real work or play, you need a Ford.
Posted by: bigblock2stroke
For 13k, you could make the HEMI ram smoke the Lightning. You are comparing an SVT special edition vehicle against the base model 1500 Ram. If you want to compare with the Lightning, look at the 2004 SRT-10. It will definately leave the Lightning like it was standing still, if you can get it to get traction.

Personally, I'd by the 2004 HO Cummins 4X4 and get a Banks power pak. I bet it would be faster than the HEMI, get better fuel economy, and pull your house with your ATV's if you wanted.
Posted by: bigblock2stroke
Lightning is only the fastest until about October. SRT-10 will then take the crown, probably for good. There's no replacement for displacement (8+ litres vs 5.4L ).

Posted by: bigblock2stroke
I agree with Tattoo, however, the new Ford Diesel is a 6.0L, it replaced the 7.4L. Lots of warranty problems on the new 6L and you have to take it to the dealer every couple weeks to have the ECM reprogrammed with the latest updates. Ford rushed the 6L to market and now they are paying for it.

There is no way a 7,000lb 325hp truck will beat a 5,000lb 345hp truck. Do the math. If your dad lost to a 6L Ford with his Hemi, he either wasn't racing or he is a bad driver.

I wonder why that commercial with the ford and chevy drag racing with trailers didn't include the 5.9 Cummins. Its because the Dodge HD with Cummins HO has the highest Trailer tow rating offered in a light duty pick up truck.

Here's one more for ya. Did you know that you can order a Ford F-650 or F-750 with a Cummins 5.9L that has a higher GVW that the same truck with a powerjoke. Why is that?
Posted by: bigblock2stroke
I work for Cummins and you are correct, we are a publicly traded company not owned by Ford. Ford bought 10% of the Cummins stock a few years back and that is what caused the rumor.

You can't get the 48RE in the SRT because it won't hold up to the power (500hp). We have to seriously detune our 5.9LB diesel engine to not destroy the drivetrain components. However, the Dodge chassis' are getting better and we are up to 555 lbft delivered to the automatic, but it is still torque managed. If you look at our medium duty B engine, it puts out 800 lb ft of torque. Same long block, different turbo and calibration. That's why its so easy to add 100-200 hp to the trucks. The motor is already setup for it, the rest of the truck is not.

Cummins just signed another engine supplier contract with DCX to be the exclusive diesel engine supplier on the Dodge HD Ram through 2010. If they were to put another motor in, it would be the MB 906, but it doesn't fit well in the current chassis.

I always like to point out that you can order a Ford F-750 with a Cummins B engine that has a higher GVW than the same chassis with the powerjoke.

the reason the ford trucks have more advertised power is because their chassis are setup to handle the torque. Plus Ford rates their engines differently. If they say 325hp, it means if you have the ac compressor clutch engaged and the cooling fan fully engaged the engine will put out 325. If those components are not on, it does not make 325hp. With the Cummins, you get what we say is available all the time.

Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: uthatch
Yalk to the guy who has 15,000 miles on a 6.0 Powerstroke with NO problem. That would be me. Or talk to the guy who just got rid of a Hemi because it ABSORBES gas, like nothing I ever saw. That would be me. Talk to the guy with a GMC Duramax with the Allison. That would be me. I've tried or am currently trying them all boys, you think what you want, I know what's best. The Ford would drag the Hemi AND Duramax faster than they will go on their own. I love these forums where everyone has an opion, but knowone knows the facts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You want FACTS??? Here ya go.

1)
R/T........757
60'.........2.452
1/8........9.881 @ 73.64
1/4........15.357 @ 88.07

2)
R/T........887
60'.........2.298
1/8........9.824 @ 72.65
1/4........15.354 @ 87.30

3)
R/T - .779
60' - 2.367
330 - 6.647
1/8 - 10.224
MPH - 69.31
1000 - 13.270
1/4 - 15.896
MPH 85.02

4)
This guy was running 03 Ford 5.4 4-door 4x4 auto 17's / 265's He had 1/2 tank reg gas open box tailgate on
DODGE / FORD
REACTION .701 / .910
60FT 2.390 / 2.456
1/8 ET 9.913 / 10.942
1/8 MPH 74.15 / 62.99
1/4 ET 15.401 / 17.255
1/4 MPH 89.11 / 78.42

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Originally posted by: uthatch
First of all, the Powerstroke WILL beat a Hemi of the same weight, period.

Bring it on! Both vehicles stock, theres no way a diesel is gonna walk away from a Hemi. Sorry. Where in PA are you? I'm in NJ about 40 minutes from Englishtown. I'd LOVE to line up against your Powerstroke at Raceway Park!! I'll even pay to have the video made so we can post it here.
Posted by: DEMag
Oh, and I seem to recall the Dodge Heavy Duty with the Cummins HO TD being crowned "Truck of the Year."

On a serious note, if you are looking for a truck to throw your quad in and go riding, get a 4x4. Any of them; Dodge, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, will do just fine. If you want a truck to drag race AND pull your quad, get a Lightning. Or you can pick up a Dodge Ram 1500 4x2 Short box, Regular cab for $20,000 and wait until October for Kenne Bell to release its Twin Screw Supercharger for the Hemi. Kenne Bell s/c brings the Hemi to 517 HP for $5,000 and walk away from the Lightnings. $25,000 for Hemi that will smoke $33,000 Lightning. Thats what I'm doing. But I'm also adding a Nitrous Express 100HP wet kit, headers, torque converter, and a butt load of other goodies.

Mmmmmm...600+ HP in a 5,500 lb. 4x4 pulling estimated low 12's in the 1/4 mi. I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of Corvette owners as they wonder why they are losing to a 4x4!
Posted by: DEMag
Did you even bother to read my sig to see what truck I have? No, obviously not. Its a QUAD CAB 4x4. And those times I listed are BONE STOCK before I put a Flowmaster muffler and CAI on it which made no difference except made it sound better.

It IS apples to apples. Both Light Duty (1500 Ram and F-150), both naturally aspirated (know what that means?), both Extended cab, both 4x4, both Short bed. I have 20" wheels, he had 17" wheels which is an ADVANTAGE FOR HIM, NOT ME!

Lightning vs. Hemi? Talk about apples to oranges. The Lightning is SUPERCHARGED, weighs less, 4x2, and set up for racing. I never said a Hemi would beat a Lighting stock to stock. Obviously the Lightning would win. But once I put a supercharger on the Hemi and am pushing 500+ HP, then the Lightnings will be going down. After all, apples to apples you say, right? Once the Hemi is Supercharged, like the Lightning is, the Hemi will win.

If you would like to set a date to meet at the track, I'd be more then happy. What are you going to run? Your Powerstroke Diesel? This is gonna be fun. I'll even take off my Cold Air Intake and put my stock air box on. Theres nothing I can do about the Flowmaster cause its welded on, but it does not make any preformance gains anyway.
Posted by: DEMag
Dodge is Truck of the Year

"Power isn't an important factor for a Truck of the Year nominee--it's critical. Dodge offers five powerhouses for the HD: two muscular gasoline engines and three turbodiesels. Standard fare for the 2500 and 3500 is the new 5.7-liter/345-horsepower Hemi Magnum V-8 mated to a NV4500 five-speed manual gearbox; a five-speed 5456RFE automatic is optionally available. A torque peak of 375 lb-ft at 4400 rpm helps the Hemi pull with the best of the midsize V-8s--especially in terms of 0-60 acceleration (posting an 8.1-second time in our 2500 Quad Cab 4x2 tester).With so much available low-end grunt, the Hemi has the right to claim best-in-class acceleration and towing. "Love the power and rumble this engine makes," wrote Truck Trend Editor Mark Williams in the 2500's logbook. "This is a truck engine."

Hmmmm, I think we have a winner!

Oh, and the 1500 weighs less then the 2500, therefore it is faster.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: uthatch
Take a look at the latest Truck Trend Magazine. The Ford again kills the Chevy. THEY DIDN'T EVEN ENTER A DODGE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A TRUCK TO COMPETE. What good is all the great engine options if you can't even get what you want. Ford wrote the book on trucks...every page.

What are you talking about? I see that nowhere.

Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: uthatch
Oh, that's not to mention the spine crushing ride on the Dodge. Why does it have to ride SO hard when the Ford/Chevy don't??? I like the excuse that it's a 2500. It rides stupid hard for no good reason.

Desparation sucks huh? Admit it. You got shut down and now all you got is a comment about RIDE QUALITY?? Don't make me laugh. I have to get back to work now. I'll be back on later tonight. Hopefully you can come up with something better then that by then. Maybe another lame excuse why the Dodge Ram was named Truck Of The Year and Ford was not!
Posted by: DEMag
Yeah, you got shut down. You are voicing your OPINION, while I am providing test results and sources of where I am getting my info. All you are saying is, "Well, I have owned all of them and Ford is the best." and "Well, Ford sells more, so they are better." Suuuure. Gee, I'll bet Ford sells a ton more cars then Ferrari, but that doesn't make them better. Your the one that needs to come back to reality. Back your opinion up. Prove me wrong.

Weak motor? Straight from Motor Trend Magazine: "With so much available low-end grunt, the Hemi has the right to claim best-in-class acceleration and towing. "Love the power and rumble this engine makes," wrote Truck Trend Editor Mark Williams in the 2500's logbook. "This is a truck engine."

Please explain to me how the Hemi is weak when it has best in class accleration and towing. And I do believe Ford's 5.4L is in the same class.

"Dodge got the Truck of the Year because it is SUCH an impovement over the prior clunkers." Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for the chuckle.

So when are we gonna race?
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: Specta
Why would anybody buy any Chrysler product? Do they cost that much less than the others? Truck of the year, now that makes it better than the others, doesn't it. I have no doubt that the Cummings isn't a great engine, but Dodge doesn't make it do they? And they don't make a truck to put it in let alone handle the power it puts out.

Truck of the year. Are any of the ATV's of the Year the best ATV on the market?

"Love the power and rumble this engine makes," wrote Truck Trend Editor Mark Williams in the 2500's logbook. "This is a truck engine." Now all Dodge needs it a truck to put the fuel absorber in.

A brand new 2500 still rides like a 1968 w300 4x4, "like a rock!" Sorry Chevrolet for using a good line.

If the Dodge Cummings and Hemi are such a great trucks, and dominate all other trucks, why are they the worst selling?

Why does it take Dodge 488 ci. to keep up with Ford's 330 ci. in a Lightning? Did you know Ford SVT has a 2004 Lightning with a 5.4L that produces 500 HP and 500 ft.lbs. of torque? And a transmission to handle it! Now what is Dodge going to do? Build a 699 ci. V-12? Where will they get a transmission? Does Mitsubishi have one on the shelf they can let Chrysler use? Will Chrysler ever have a transmission? Will they ever hire an engineer who can fix one of their transmissions, any of them? Or maybe invent a "variable-rate- spring? Probably too deep for Chrysler.

Wow. You REALLY know your stuff!! I love when people comment on something they know absolutely nothing about.

Its Cummins. Not Cummings. You don't even know the name of the engine and you are bashing it. Hey, guess what. Chevy doesn't make their diesel engines either! They are made by Duramax. And their transmissions are made by Allison.

And you ask "Why does it take Dodge 488 ci. to keep up with Ford's 330 ci. in a Lightning?" Once again, if you knew anything about these vehicles, you would know that the Lightning is SUPERCHARGED. Yup, thats right. It has a blower. You see, the 5.4 is such a pig, Ford needed to slap a Supercharger on there, and it still only makes 40 more HP then the naturally aspirated (that means no forced air induction for the uneducated) Hemi. And the SRT-10 will not be "keeping up" with the Lightning, it will be blowing it away. No pun intended. Stock 1/4 mile times have been said to be in the low 12's, whereas the Lightning's stock 1/4 mile times are in the mid to high 13's. **Disclaimer**...the SRT-10's 1/4 mile time is a factory estimate. I have not seen one race yet so I will not say for sure what exact times it will be pulling.

"Did you know Ford SVT has a 2004 Lightning with a 5.4L that produces 500 HP and 500 ft.lbs. of torque?"
Yeah, I saw that in a magazine also. Its a CONCEPT. Its not a 2004 model. Coming from the mouths of Lightning owners I know, that truck MAY be out in 2005. And thats a big MAYBE. I've seen Vipers with 1300 HP. SRT-10 has a Viper motor. Hmmm, have I ever even HEARD about a Lightning with 1300HP? Nope, not a chance.

Educate yourself. Gain knowledge on a product before you attemp to throw in your "witty" remarks. Just a heads up.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: danpayne
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tattoo
I couldn't have said it better except for one thing, the 6.0 powered GMC doesn't have the power of the Hemi and gets worse MPG.

I have a SS and I can tell you right now it will beat a Hemi, whatever size. Now the lightning is a different story. For one thing it is reg cab and stepside, which would be fiberglass, and not to mention the supercharger. A lightning has beat me but not from the start. Unless it wamed up its tires real good. I bet I can beat ANYTHING, except for Subaru, in the rain. I can't peel out. But I do only get 11.1 MPG, but I also have a Hyperprogrammer. The reason I got it was so I didn't have to do anything to the outside and still look good and still be kinda quick. The price was high(41.6k) but I got 13k off because my uncle works at GM.

I think all these trucks are equal in a way, though. Just depends on what your into. I really am more into make my ears bleed from my two powers in the back. If you like to do your own mods on the engine, get a HEMI. And if you just want stock, get SVT.

Well, it depends on which Ram w/ Hemi. The SS is setup as a racing truck, like the Lightning. The Rams are built not for racing, but for towing/hauling. If the Ram were geared like the SS, it would be very close. Actually, I've seen the Reg. cab 1500 Hemi do 15.17 1/4 mile stock. I have not seen an SS run, but Motor Trend did 15.22 1/4 mile with the SS. But the Ram has a big weight advantage being 4x2 Reg. cab w/ 17" wheels, and the SS being ext. cab 4x4 w/ 20" wheels.

Max Towing Capacity: Sliverado SS----7,500 lbs. / Ram 2500 w/ Hemi----11,400 lbs. (used Ram 2500 4x4 Quad cab Hemi for a more equal comparison)

See, both have 345 HP & 375/380 lb ft torque. But the SS is faster by a little less then 1 second in the 1/4 mile but can't tow as much, and the Hemi is slower, but can tow more. Its all in the gearing.

Mind if I get in on that bet? I'll put $1000 on the Syclone.
Posted by: DEMag
You make a lot of good points and I agree with you for the most part. Thanks for the unbiased opinion. I just have one gripe (if you can call it that)....

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Originally posted by: Daren420
I'm a Ford loyal consumer that thinks the new Hemi is nothing more than a marketing strategy. {In no way do I mean to offend anyone with my opinions.

No offense taken.

It is more then a marketing strategy. The main reason Dodge lovers and others are making such a big deal about the Hemi is not the fact that it is a Hemi. Its because of how big a leap Dodge took with this engine. Its replacing a 275 HP (i think) 5.9L POS. If Dodge owners wanted anything bigger then the underpowered 5.9L, they had to go with the V-10 or the diesel. Not many wanted the V-10. But now, there is a 345 HP V8. And since it does have hemispherical chambers, it is marketed as a Hemi. A leap like this would be a big deal to any automaker.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: IMPORTH8R
last I heard when all this R/t 10 ram stuff started the price estimates were around $50,000. Have they decontented the truck?

Orders are being taken now for the SRT-10. Delivery is estimated mid-December. Base price is $45,000.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: IMPORTH8R
What is included for "base price" is this a shortbed, or did they do an SS on it?

Its a shortbed, regular cab. No other way to get it for now. I think there will be a Quad Cab version next year. I don't think there are any options. You just get the SRT package.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: 8042
Well Ill Say ONE Thing I Have An Silverado SS And Im Looking For ANY LIGHTNING That Thinks It's Bad Or That Little 5.7L (Mopar) "DiamlerCrystler" Corp. HEMI I Tell You My Silverado May Have A 6.0 L 364CID But It Can Get With The Best Of Them And That Hemi Ive Tryed Once And Tryed Again To Get A HEMI To Take Me BUt They Didnt, Also YALL GUYS JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THE CHEVROLET SILVERADO SS 2005 Will Have I Know what It WIll Have BUt HINT: It's Ready For HEMI,Srt-10 And WHatever Else Ford And Dodge Will Have It Well Over Powering That HEMI And That Lightning 6.0L 325CID With 485HP/515Ftlb!!! AMAZING (Thats A Treat For Yall GUys That Think The Lightning Will Be Fast And That Srt-10 And Belive Me It Will Be Optional Reg Cab Or Ext With The Top Speed WELL OVER 150!!And More (DODGE LOVERS HOW DO YOU RESPOND ON THAT ONE). And LIGHTNING LOVERS!Im Out

James Ross
Username: 8042
Recent Vehicle: 2003 Chevrolet Silverado SS/2002 Chevrolet Silverado (It May Have The Regular 5.3L But AINT NO FORD HAS OUTRAN IT YET)!! OR DODGE)!hr>

LOL! You could put a 1000lb trailer on the Lightning and it will still beat you. Wait lemme guess, you have a turbo kit too right? LOL!
Posted by: DEMag
Seriously, you are dreaming.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: 8042
Want To Know What I Dont Think So!

TIMMAY!!

Sorry, I had a couple drinks with dinner tonight and I'm finding your posts quite amusing.
Posted by: DEMag
Uh huh, sure, whatever. I'm going to drive 1700 miles to see if you have a turbo kit on your truck. Yeah right. Here's an easier way....take some pictures and post them on a website.

And if you can, make a video. I love watching fast trucks race. I'm real interested in how fast the SS is with a turbo. Do you have any 1/4 mi. times?
Posted by: DEMag
Put down the pipe. You are so delusional about your truck and camaro. Its almost funny.
Posted by: DEMag
With 375 HP, you are not gonna even come close to touching a Viper, and DEFINATELY NOT a Busa. Do you realize how obsurd your posts are??
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: 8042
YES Demag Coming OUT IT CAN AND WILL GET A VIper V10's Dont React As Fast As V8

Keep telling yourself that. Sorry, but you are wrong. From the moment the light turns green, you would be losing.
Posted by: DEMag
Cummins are the best. Duramax, Powerstroke...they don't even come close. I do like the Allison trannys on the Chevys though.
Posted by: DEMag
exasPsycho's Supra would DESTROY your Silverado SS.That would be like racing a moped against a CBR600. Too funny.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: 8042
That Quite Didnt Make Sence!hr>

Huh? Looks whos talking. Don't you mean, "That didn't quite make sense!"?
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: TexasPsycho
hey everyone! like i said this argument will never end! now they have a new thread about the dodge 1500 and it's going the same place. some things never change!

That wasn't a new thread. It was started and ended almost a month ago. Some troll just decided to join this site to put his .02 in on that thread.
Posted by: DEMag
Sweet. I love Corvettes. But unfortunately Chevy is going to have to do a little better then that. Dodge is currently working on a new Hemi V10 for the Viper which is supposed to be putting out 700 - 800HP stock.BR>
Also in the works is a 6.1L Hemi V8 that produces 500 - 600HP.

Neither of these engines will be out until at least 2005 - 2006. So Chevy can have the spotlight.....for now.BR>
Sounds to me like the performance and HP wars are on in the auto industry. I love it. They HAVE to keep raising the bar to beat the competition. Where will it end? This is great though. 5 years ago I never would have thought there would be a production sport pickup with 500HP on the market (the SRT-10). It just keeps getting better and better.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: danpayne
the 6.0 has more power, im not sure where you heard that from. I thought all this was supposed to be dropped.

I don't want to start anymore useless arguing, but the 6.0 has 300HP. The 5.7 Hemi has 345HP.

It is dropped, kinda. We were talking about a different subject with the new Corvette.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: gnd111
Don't believe the hype Demag...........

Yeah, well, I didn't believe the hype when they were talking about putting a Viper motor in the Ram. I also didn't believe the hype when they were talking about a next generation Lightning with 500HP.

I guess I should have believed in both situations because it turned out neither were hype.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: danpayne
And I was not talkin to you about it bein dropped.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the thread as a whole being dropped.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: 8042
And Also If I Didnt Have My Own Car And You Do Then Why Do I Have A Profile And You The IDIOT Does Not ??? Now DOesnt That Sound Just Stupid?!?!?

Duuuuuuuhhhhhh
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: 8042
I Bet Not You Have This And You Have That And I Havent Seen Nothing But Ive Done This Ive Done That And The Word IDIOT (Word Used In Grade School).

What the heck does this mean?

Anyone else finding this strangely amusing?
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: juggalo
8042 your done. you can't answer my question. you jsut restated the same answer you gave before which is incorrect. you said "Have You Ever Heard That Saying Two Is Better Than One When You Have two Cylinder s You Have More Engine Displacement" EVEN after i said engine displacement was not the right answer. why is 2 better than one? are you saying a v-6 can't have more displacement than a v-8? your wrong there too pal. the correct answer is you have more powerstrokes per cycle with more cylinders. sorry. you just proved your wrong. can you even name the 4 strokes of a 4 cycle engine? how about a 2 stroke engine? thats very very basic knowledge. if you know more about cars than i can ever imagine you should have been able to answer my first question but you didn't but i will give you another chance if you can answer the new question i just asked.

LOL Give it up 8042. You have been OWNED over and over.
Posted by: DEMag
Ford sells the most trucks because they can't hold up to the slightest abuse so they need replacement more then any other truck on the market. And you know how those Ford loyalists are, their truck could blow up after 1,000 miles, but they'd still buy another Ford.j/k But for real, I abuse the hell out of my vehicles. I had a Ford Explorer once. I beat the hell out of it and after 60,000 miles it died. During that 60,000 miles I had to replace the front and rear brakes 3 times, the suspension twice, the 4 wheel drive was shot, windshield broken, frame bent, everytime I came to a complete stop it stalled, some wiring caught fire once, and the paint was peeling off. It was the biggest piece of crap I have ever driven. I was very lucky I got $5,000 on a trade in. And it was only 2 years old. After that experience, I will never trust another Ford again. Sure, the full size trucks could withstand much more abuse then the Explorer, but that doesn't matter. Its in the manufacturing. It was built like crap with junk parts and if they build one vehicle that poorly, then what does that tell me about the rest of their automobiles? They just aren't tough enough for real world use and abuse.

On the other hand, my old Dodge Dakota handled MUCH more abuse then I put the Explorer through. I only had to take it in once for a problem with the front end. It turned out that I got hung up on a tree stump going through about 3 feet of water and there was a chunk of wood stuck somewhere near the front suspension. Next to my BMW, the Dakota was the most reliable vehicle I owned. I just got the Ram and have been putting it through some rough stuff, but I want to wait till I have more then 5,000 miles on it before I start to really beat on it. IF it craps out like my old POS Ford, then I guess I'll have to go with a Chevy next.

I've always liked Chevys. They are great trucks. But they are too slow for my taste and they are UGLY as hell. Plus, whats with the interior of the Chevys? They are TRUCKS! NOT LUXURY VEHICLES!! The Silverado felt more like a grocery getter then a work truck. And IMO, leather has no place in a truck. Granted, it is comfortable and plush, but if I want comfort I'll buy a sedan. Ford, Dodge, and Chevy shouldn't offer leather in their Full size trucks. Its too feminine. Too many "creature comforts" is annoying. But they do get good gas mileage and have a good resale value.

I'll stick to my Dodge for now. I have had a good history with them. They have treated me well. I have also beaten the '04 F-150 w/ 5.4L V8, and an '03 Silverado HD w/ 6.0L V8 in drag races. Stock to stock, they didn't stand a chance. I even have a video of a STOCK Ram 1500 Hemi beating a Supercharged Silverado HD 6.0 in a drag race. If any of you want to see it, PM me and I'll send you the link. I sent it to someone on this board. I forget who. But I got no response from that person after he saw it. Probably just too stunned.
Posted by: DEMag
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Originally posted by: TexasPsycho
sorry demag but your way off. we have over 500 service trucks in our company and they are all fords. our company tried chevys a few years ago and they stayed in the shop getting transmission, front ends and brakes rebuilt. we also tried the dodge truck which held up a little better but their front ends also wore out in no time. so far the only trouble we have with the fords is brakes. most all of the trucks have tool beds with crains mounted on them. oil field roads are some of the best test for trucks. the mud, ruts and gravel will eat up brakes and front ends. most of the drives abuse the trucks because they don't belong to them. ford has got one of if not the strongest front ends on the market. the only way to tear the front end up on a ford is to bend a i-beam. chevy and dodge has their good points to. as for the leather seats well my excursion has leather seats and i wouldn't buy one without but thats my choice. to say they shouldn't even offer that option is like me saying they shouldn't even offer a bed or a radio? they offer it so people can get a truck like they want. i haven't said anything lately because this thread is out of control. what i have been reading lately is just some folks arguing about nonsense. i used to be one of those hard headed die hards that would argue until my face was blue but guess what! the argument never ends just like this thread. nobody will be happy until they make all brands number one and then i doubt if the arguing will stop. people will start arguing about which color is better or something. just give it a rest and enjoy what you drive.

Notice in the beginning of my post the "j/k"? That means I wasn't serious about that particular comment. It was a joke. Now, the rest of my comments about Ford were serious. I was stating my opinion, NOT FACT. I provided you with MY experience with a Ford product. It was a POS and I will never buy another Ford. And like I said before, if a Dodge I own craps out on me like the Ford did, I will never buy another Dodge. But so far, I have had good luck with them.

About the leather in your Excursion. That is not a Pickup truck. Its an SUV. I have no problem with leather in SUVs. In fact, I prefer it to cloth....in SUVs. I just don't see the point in offering leather in a work truck like a Silverado Heavy Duty, or a Ford F-250, or Ram 2500. You pay anywhere from $1200 to $2000 extra for the leather and it just gets ruined. If you buy a Full size pickup truck to use as a grocery getter or just because you like the way it looks, then leather is ok, but thats not the intended use of the truck. These trucks are built strong and are meant to be abused, not babied.

I've read this thread from the beginning and have participated in a lot of it. I have also given up on the arguing. I am just adding my OPINION. I am still reading this thread mainly because of 8042. I just find his total lack of grammar skills and the "CHEVY IS KING OF ALL AUTOMOBILES" attitude extremely amusing. I literally laugh out loud at most of his posts.

Oh, and BTW.....Silver is the best color, followed by Black.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> lol
Posted by: DEMag
One more thing TexasPsycho......do you have any pics of your Supra? Or to be more specific, any pics of the engine? I LOVE Supra Twin Turbos!! And I must say, I am very jealous.You probably race it right? Have any 1/4 mi times?

I have a couple of Supra videos on my home computer if you'd like me to send them to you. One is a black Supra racing a worked Mustang. It smoked the stang. I also have one of a Red Supra TT on the dyno. It put out 800HP.Sweet!
Posted by: DEMag
killerkx327.....very nice Tecate. Just one question though> How the hell do you start that 500 with such a small kick start lever??? LOL That must be a pain.
Posted by: tattoo9483
i saw on another topic just like this where people were saying how the lightning can tow 5000lbs. well the ram hemi can to nearly 9000lbs and it is about $13000 cheaper and available with a crew cad.
Posted by: tattoo9483
I couldn't have said it better.
Posted by: tattoo9483
The Chevy SS is about .2 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile but doesn't have the tow capacity of the Ram.
Posted by: tattoo9483
My brother just bought a Ram 1500 Quad Cab with the Hemi and the 20 inch rims fully loaded for $24,000.
Posted by: tattoo9483
The srt/10 is supposed to be around the same price as the ford lightning maybe a lil more.
Posted by: tattoo9483
Firtst of all there is no 6.0n power stroke its a 7.3 litre diesel which has no chance against a Hemi, much less the 5.9 cummins HO.
Posted by: tattoo9483
the Chevy 2500 h/d with the Duramax and allison tranny doesn't compare to the Dodge Ram 2500 HD with the Cummins HO.
Posted by: tattoo9483
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Originally posted by: DeuceRooster
Well those two trucks are also in two different catagories. A Ford 99+ Lightning would leave any stock 5.7 Hemi sitting in a drag race or road race.

However consider that the Lightning does not come in 4x4 so if 4x4 is important to you then don't bother. The Lightning has several advantages though like higher resale value, faster and more upgrade potential. However it also has several disadvantages like poor MPG, more maintnence, higher insurance and in most cases higher maintnance costs not to mention it's higher price tag.

If you plan to tow and actually use the truck do yourself a favor and get a HEMI RAM or even a 6.0 powered GMC. Not to mention who would want to get a Lightning all dirty inside after riding quads all day?

I couldn't have said it better except for one thing, the 6.0 powered GMC doesn't have the power of the Hemi and gets worse MPG.
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Originally posted by: Eiger376
Ok I think were getting kinda carried away, hes only going to be hauling a ATV. A lil 4 cylinder Nissan truck could do this job with no problems. But hey if you have the money a 03 Silverado 2500HD/6.6L Duramax Diesel with a Allison Tranny will do great!!!

Firtst of all there is no 6.0n power stroke its a 7.3 litre diesel which has no chance against a Hemi, much less the 5.9 cummins HO.
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Originally posted by: bigblock2stroke
For 13k, you could make the HEMI ram smoke the Lightning. You are comparing an SVT special edition vehicle against the base model 1500 Ram. If you want to compare with the Lightning, look at the 2004 SRT-10. It will definately leave the Lightning like it was standing still, if you can get it to get traction.

Personally, I'd by the 2004 HO Cummins 4X4 and get a Banks power pak. I bet it would be faster than the HEMI, get better fuel economy, and pull your house with your ATV's if you wanted.

I couldnt agree more with you. You must be a smart guy.
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Originally posted by: uthatch
You guys are sick people LOL!!! You just need to get a 6.0 Powerstroke and cruise past ANY Hemi (I know my Dad has one), 6.0 Chevy (He's got a Denali too), or about anything else for that matter. NOTHING stock out tows this truck. Now if you want speed, get a Lightning. Add the 10K more that the SRT10 will cost to the Lightning and it will leave it like it's standing still. Or save a couple bucks and get a new F-150 and have the nicest new truck on the market. Any way you look at it, you better check out the Ford dealer really close!

First of all there is no 6.0 Power Stroke, it is a 7.3, and it would not cruise past a Hemi, or much of anything else for that matter, and if you want a diesel you cant ask get better than a Dodge Ram with the Cummins HO.
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Plainly put, you can't beat a Dodge for power looks or fuel economy, and with the money you will save, by buying a Dodge over a Ford or Chevy, you can make the Dodge even better.
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Well Ill Say ONE Thing I Have An Silverado SS And Im Looking For ANY LIGHTNING That Thinks It's Bad Or That Little 5.7L (Mopar) "DiamlerCrystler" Corp. HEMI I Tell You My Silverado May Have A 6.0 L 364CID But It Can Get With The Best Of Them And That Hemi Ive Tryed Once And Tryed Again To Get A HEMI To Take Me BUt They Didnt, Also YALL GUYS JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THE CHEVROLET SILVERADO SS 2005 Will Have I Know what It WIll Have BUt HINT: It's Ready For HEMI,Srt-10 And WHatever Else Ford And Dodge Will Have It Well Over Powering That HEMI And That Lightning 6.0L 325CID With 485HP/515Ftlb!!! AMAZING (Thats A Treat For Yall GUys That Think The Lightning Will Be Fast And That Srt-10 And Belive Me It Will Be Optional Reg Cab Or Ext With The Top Speed WELL OVER 150!!And More (DODGE LOVERS HOW DO YOU RESPOND ON THAT ONE). And LIGHTNING LOVERS!Im Out

James Ross
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Recent Vehicle: 2003 Chevrolet Silverado SS/2002 Chevrolet Silverado (It May Have The Regular 5.3L But AINT NO FORD HAS OUTRAN IT YET)!! OR DODGE)!
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1000 Pound Trailer Huh? Well Let Me Tell You A Ford CAN BARLY PULL 1000 POUNDS. Oh Yeah, Just Tell A Lightning To Come And Get Some It Doesnt Want Any Of My Silverado SS No Ford Or Dodge Does Im Sorry I Like Ford But When It Comes To It CHEVROLET Is Number One And Always Will Be. And That Lightning Couldnt Come Out On Me I Dont Even Think A Mustang Could Beat Me Coming Out It Doesnt Spin It Gets And Skits.
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Well You Wanna Know What A MUSTANG! Ive Beaten Them Vipers I BEAT HIM In The Quarter Mile And You Tell Me That That Is No Comparison But Listen ( I Have NOTHING Against Fords) I Just Think That Chevys Are Better And Faster. And The Reason Why I Said That I Beat An Intrepid Is Because EVERYONE Thinks Those Cars Are so Fast And They Arent And I KNOW Thers Somone Faster! My Dad Told Me That ALONG TIME AGO But I Tell You One Thing It Would Have To Show Me It Was A Man And Could Beat Me!
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Want To Know What I Dont Think So! Ya Know Because I Dont think Youre F-150 Could Do That (And You Want To Talk About A Vw) Thats Bad Man Im Sorry But also If My Regular 2002 Chevy Silverado Ext Cab Cant do It Then I Have An 2003 Chevrolet Silverdo SS And I Can Get A Mustang Coming Out And I Can Hold It For A LONG Time And A F-150 Crew Cab MIGHT As Well Forget It My Silverado SS Is Fast How Do You think I Can Tell U All This Stuff If I Didnt Know What Im Talking About.
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Haha Mabe Soo Never know But I Know That they ARE FAST I Dont Know How Youre F-150 Or Her Vw Runs But I Know My Silverado and Silverado SS Is No Slouch Whatsoever (DONT TAKE THIS PERSONAL Daren420 And You) Because It Isnt
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And You Dont Take It Personal Either DEmag Because It Isnt I Just dont Like Noone Dissing Chevrolets
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Im Not Gonna do Anything To My Silverado SS Mabe When It Gets Alittle Older Im Not Gonna Put No Turbo On My Ss And 5.3L It's Stock Too You Would Be Shocked How Just That 5.3L With 295Hp/325Ftlb Will Perform It's Good and I Dont And Wont Look out For No VW If I Wanted Too Everyone Would Have To Watch out Because I know Some Awsome Tricks To Make That 5.3L Put out 425Hp EASY If I Wanted Too But Im Not Gonna Touch My Silverado I Wouldve Take Anything For It And My Silverado SS Is The Only Thing YET! That Can Beat My Regular Silverado No F-150 Or F-250 F-150 Crew cab Has Gotten This Truck ALMOST But They Just Didnt Have The Punch To Do It And I Dont Get on The interstate I Stoplight Race (Stoplight Racing Comes Down To Who Has The Most Torqe) Because Coming out My Silverado Is Good But Ive Kinda Upend The Torqe With A Bigger Torqe Converter And Some Gear Ratios in The Transmission Right Now It Has 385Ftlb More Than My SS But My SS Can Always Seem To Manage To Beat It Thats The ONLY TRUCK THAT HAS BEATEN MY SILVERADO z71 5.3L
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I WOULDNT TAKE ANYTHING FOR IT*
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I Will Admit His Supra May Be Faster But If Youre SS Is Stock Like Mine You Wouldnt Win Thats All I Have To Say And I Will Admitt I Get Beat By Cars Sometimes Everyone That Owns A Truck Does. And To Whoever That Said That My Camero Didnt Beat That Viper YES IT DID In The 1/4 Mile That V10 Cant Come Out Like A V8 I Dont Care What Anybody Says You Ask Any Engineer About The Differenct Between A V10 and V8 One Of The FIRST Things He Would Say Would Be Is Coming Out It CANNOT Overpower the V8 Mabe In The Long Run After It Gets Time To Make It Up Like If you Would Look At The Speeds You Would See His Was GREATER Than Mine But Look At My Time And Look At His See The Trick Is (That That V10 Wouldve Beat Me But It Didnt Have Enough Time To Catch Up) Now If We Wouldve Had Alittle Longer then He Wouldve Beat Me But Just not In The 1/4 Mile.
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Now I Know How An Engine Works My Camaro Puts Out 370Hp And 390 Ftlb Thats MORE THAN HALF OF THAT LITTLE 500Hp That Viper Has Yes My Camaro Has Had A SLIGHT Change In The Transmission To Give It That Little Extra 20 Horses And That 30 Ftlb And That Viper Couldnt Handle Me Coming Out Im Sorry This Is The Honest Truth Even I couldnt Belive That A First But I Can Show You The Printout That Shows MY Time And His And That V10 Didnt Come out As Good Yes I Know That Suzuki Gsx1300R Hayabusa Is Fast Because My Friends Have One And Ive Rode It And They ARE FAST!! I Will Say That They Are Very Fast I May Get one But Im Getting Too Much Stuff Right Now I Just Got My SS About 4 Months Ago And That Hayabusa Can Leave Me Coming out But In Top End I Cant Catch Him But I Can SURE CLOSE IN ON THE GAP the Fastest Ive Got Out Of My camaro Was 172 Mph And That Was Pushing It For All It Had. That Viper Was Coming Back At The End But It Was Too Late I Already Won, And Thats All That MAtters To Me Is That I WON! LoL Thanks To The Guy Who Said My Z Was Good Looking Thanks For That Man I Apreciate It But Now To The Diesels Chevrolet Has That QUIETIST Desils Around They Almost ALMOST Run As Quiet As A Gas Engine If You Would Listen It's Dodge (THE LOUDEST OF ALL LOUDESTS) Then It's Ford (Second To Loudest They Are ALOT Quieters Than Dodges And Then Thers Chevy ( Quietist Diesels Around) Those Quiet Engines Are The Chevy Made Diesel The Duramax (Which Will Get ALOT More POWERFUL This Year) and The Detroit Diesels That Chevrolet Use Those Are The Quietist Desils Around And The POWERIST (according To My Dad He Owns A Chevy 3500 With The Duramax And It Has Pulled EVERYTHING He Has Pulled With It JUST AS GOOD AT A DODGE OR FORD (LoL)But Remember Ford Better Have It's Glory With The Powerfullist Diesel This Year Because NEXT Year It's Gonna Be The DuramaxBut Please People Whoever Owns Fords Or Dodges I Know They Are Good but I Just Think Chevys Are The Best And Also Dont Take This Personal People Because It Isnt. Thanks

Ross
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Where Have You Been All Thest Years Locked Up Chevy Is Making The Powerfullist Regular Truck STILL Dodge Lets Ford And Chevy Overpower Their 5.9L 360CID And The Chevy Engine Is Just Alittle 5.3L 327 And The Fords Is The 5.4L 330CID And Out Of All Those Trucks Chevy Offers The Most Hp And Torqe (Why Do You Think Chevys Are Cheap)? Give Me one Good Reason (Also Dodges Mouths Are Too Wide) "The Front End"!
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Thanks im Glad Somebodys There To Help Chevys Mine Came With All That Too Except Mine Had Onstar with It And It Also Had A Transmission Temp Gauge The Silverado SS Are Sweet They Are DEFINATLEY NOT CHEAP!!!!
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Well For one Yes The Transmission Does And (SHHH) I Have done Some Other Slight Things To It Be Quiet I Dont Want Them To Know That And No My Camaro Stock Was 345Hp/360Ftlb Torqe And I CAN CLOSE IN NOT ON THE 1/4 Mile (DUH) On A Straight Interstate And Yes I Have Gotten 172 Out Of My Camero You Can And WILL NOT Tell Me What I Have Not Gotten Out Of It Because I Know. Also I Can Close In On The Hayabusa Not CLose But I Can Close The Gap NOT IN THE 1/4 Mile Thats What Youre Thinking NO I Know It Could Whoop Me There But Im Talking 5-8 Miles I Can Make Up Alot Of Ground With The Busa And You Cant Say That Either Because You Can Aske Many Of People I Have A Reputation On My Side Of Town Everyone Knows Me Everyone Knows My Cars And Yes THE SILVERADO Is a Performer LET ME TELL YA I Didnt Say I Could Outrun Everything On The Street But It Can Sure Get All OVER IT And Youre Lightning I Bet I Could Come Out On You EASY Because You Couldnt Get Tracktion And When The Year 2004 Silverado SS Comes Out We Will See Who will Be The Boss Hoss And Thats The Truth Because My Family owns A Chevrolet Dealer Were One of The Best Selling Chevrolet Dealers In Our State Thats Ark I Dont Run It But My Mom Dad Sister Aunt Uncle And Just My Whole Family and Other Workers We Have working For Us Chevy Has Sent Me Some Things On The NEW 2004 Silverado SS Thats Classified I Can Tell Youre A Ford Man So I Wont Tell You Ill Just Say You Better Get Some Turbo On That LITTLE 99 Lightning! And To My Regular 5.3L Silverado You go Get A Regular Sissy Ford F-150 And See If It Can Even BeAT MY REGULAR SIlverado Fords Are Underpowerd im Sorry They Just Are And Back To My SS I Own One And I Know How It Handles It May Not Handle Like Yours But You Want To Know The Explanation For That Is Yours Is Regular Cab And Isnt As Heavy But I Will Say (AND I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT) That The Silverado SS HANDLES GREAT For A Full Size Extended Cab Short Box Truck And Has Some Get Up Too. And It Has Power And I May Not Win But Just Because Im A Chevy Man I WOuld Take You In My silverado SS I Would Get You Coming Out! I Know Would And Dont Say Taht The Silverado Doesnt Have A Break Off The Line Either Because IT DOES It Will Pull You In The Seat But Im Done Arguing Because I Know I Own These Trucks And Cars And I KNow what They Are Capible Of Doing (JUST BE PREPARED TO GET OVERPOWERED BY THE NEW 2004 Silverado SS) It's Quite Surprising LEt Me Tell You Hint: It's Alittle Under The Dodge Srt-10 Ram.

Dont Belive Me About My Families Chevrolet Dealer Visit Our Website At Www.Gwatneychevrolet.com Youll See Ask For Vincent Salesman Hell Tell You All About The New 2004 Chevrolet Silverado SS It's SURPRISING!! Thats A Chevy For You Baby!

NOTE: Do NOT Take This Affensively Because It's Not And Never Will Be Were Just Talking None Of This Is Personaly.
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Well LEt Me Get One Think Str8 I Know My Car Plus It Isnt What You Call And ORDINARY CAMARO LIKE I SAID SHHH IS ISNT REGUALR QUIT POUNDING THAT IM TELLING YOU IT"S MODIFIED DO YOU KNOW WHAT MODIFIED IS????? IT NOW HAS 375Hp/390Ftlb!!! OK
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GEEZE SIMMER DOWN I KNOW WHAT MY AND THOSE CARS HAD IM A CHEVY MAN I KNOW MY GENERAL MOTORS VEHICLES If I Dont Know Anything Else
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Want To Have A Quiz On Gm Vehicles I Can Take It To The Limit
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Well I Dont Know How To Say This But I Dont Really Know The Specs But I CAN Tell You What The Specs Are
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NOW Not When It Was New But NOW!!! I Still Say It Had 345
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When It Was New It Had 325Hp And 350 Ftlb
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YES Demag Coming OUT IT CAN AND WILL GET A VIper V10's Dont React As Fast As V8
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YOU SAID THE SS YES THE SS HAS 325Hp/350Ftlb
And The Z28 Had 310 The SS Had 15 More Hp
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Do You Have An E-mail Address

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Well I Tell You What You May Have Been Right This time But On ANY OTHER Gm Vehicle I KNOW The Specs But NOW MINE HAS 375Hp And 390 Ftlb
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and Yes In The 1/4 Mile I Our RAN A VIPER IF You Would Look At My Page Look At The Times And the Speeds YES he Was Coming Back BUT I HIT THE FINISHLINE BEFORE HE DID

Do You Have An E-mail Address
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DAMN STr8 IVE DYNO's IT
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ALRIGHT THEN IF THE V10 REACTS FASTER WHY DONT THEY USE THEM IN NHRA
THATS YOURE QUESTION ANSWER THAT IM A Mechanic Ya Know
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What Is It
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Are You Nuts What Do You Mean Rear Wheel Hp Mine Has A Posive Trac Rear End
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yOU aRE fUNNY mAN What Do You Mean Thers No Classes Ok THEN E-mail Kenny Burnstien And See What He Says
He Would Reccomend A V8 Because V8's React FASTER
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Aww It SURE ISNT AS HELL FRONT WHEEL DRIVE MY REAR WHEEL HP IS 390
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torqe That Is
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Same Thing Ani Slip Posive Trac That Means It Cuts Downs On Spinning And Bothe Wheels Pull
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I JUST SAID TORQE THAT IS READ SON
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We Prolly Gonna Get Into Some Trouble Filling Up That Arguing Whats youre E-mail Address (Remember THIS ISNT PERSONAL)

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Exactly You Can Get Just As Much As Power With A V8 Just As Much As A v10
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Just As Much Out Of A V8 As You Can A V10
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NAw I Want To TAlk Some More I Want To See How Much You Know Bet You Didnt Know I WORK And Rebuild Engines
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Im 19 And I Know All About Top Fuel Racers The Get 3-4000 Hp I KNOW What Im Talking About Mr Wise Guy You May Think You Know But Belive Me I Didnt Say I COuld Catch The Busa I Said I Could CLOSE IN On The Busa Alright Read And Get Youre Facts Straight I May Not Win But I Would Take Youre LITTLE Supra Anyday GM ROCKS ALL THE WAY TOYOTA MAN!
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Thats Exactly Right Rwd4 Exactly Right Chevrolet Brought A Contract With Cat And Deroit Diesels And The Duramax ISNT The Only Engine You Can Get From Chevrolet They Also Offer The Cat In The Kodiak, C-series,T-Series And W-Series. The Duramax Is Only Provided In The Silverado 2500-3500HD Trucks Also You can Get The Gas Burning BIG BLOCK 8.1L With 455Ftlb And Cant Remember How Much Torqe Thats Pretty Good It Has More Power Than The V10 Engines From Ford And Dodge.