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Posted by: minehunter
Cowboy that was me who wrote that. Thanks for acknowledgement.
Now for the question at hand. Who's paying the Dime. If it's your Father you should accede to his wishes. He is only thinking of you, he probably sees how other guys your age act in their lowered trucks. He probably wants other people to recognize that he has raised his son to respect other people. It is a natural feeling that parents have. I know, for I are one. I have 21 Y.O. daughter and a 19 Y.O. son. Only time will tell if I did the job right. The same goes for your Father.
Posted by: quadnut
Dirt:
If you want your own truck then you should have it. If your Dad is only willing to let you have what he wants then maybe you should set him down and "tell him like it is".
In VERY respectfull terms, you should ASK your Dad if he would mind if you purchased the truck of your dreams... Let him know how much you appreciate his thoughfullness in wanting to buy you a truck of his liking, but you belive that you would be happier with your own choice. Be prepaired to explain to him how you will work and save your money to buy the truck. Let him know that you will appreciate your ride much more if you are allowed to work for it. Tell him you will earn the money to modify it to your liking, and that you think it would be great if you both could spend some time working on the truck together..... Dad's really enjoy working with their sons.
I think your Dad is trying to do the right thing. Dad's always try. Remember that he was once 16.... He really does understand how you feel. Let him know that he is important to you.
Just my opinion.
Posted by: HondaHunter
I know you won't want to hear my reply, and being only 16 don't think you'll agree with me, but you should listen to your father, or at least respect him and ask for clarification.
A wise man once told me, and I've found it to be true: "you know you're grown -up when you come to the realization that your father was right." Now, maybe his reasons for telling you no don't match to your's, but there has to be more than just the basic reasons as to why he is saying no. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to enter into some real dialogue with your father and discover where you both can compromise.
Realize, that until you turn 18 and begin to provide completly for yourself, your father has not only the tight, but the obligation to care for you. And, the worst that can happen is for you to jeopardize any realationship with yor father over such a trivial matter. There is plenty of time in your life for what you wish, and if you'd find yourself tomorrow without your father, I highly doubt that you'll be speaking in terms of, "he's really beginning to pi$$ me off.
Just my .02 worth, but then again you asked for opinions. I'm sure that you'll get many to uphold your position from yor own age group, but consider the true level of experience and concern from that perspective.
Posted by: HondaHunter
WEll, I'd not speak for Diogenes, he does a great job by himself, but when I was growing up there was a statement that was often heard; "children should be seen and not heard, only talk when spoken to, and always respect adults." I don't remember knowing adults names until I reached the ripe age of 18. To me their first names were Mr. and Mrs. so and so.
However, in todays society it seems that all things are just backward of that. Kids, it seems are no longer children. They have been elevated to the place of small adults. They are gien equal status with everyone in society irregardless of the age of everyone.
It appears that children are the most important people in the society. Not that I do not believe that children are important, they are, but to give an immature person responsibility and control over their lives is to do them harm. They do not have the life experiences to make proper choices, nor are the able to live with the lifelong consequences of the choices that they are making.
Yes it does appear that today's children have a lot more than ever I did growing up. I do not fault them for that, nor do I wish to take it away. However, I have to question the WHY'S of why we seem to be so willing to give without question. Are we really creating better functioning individuals in society? I think not. I honestly believe that we are catering to, and creating a society of whining crybaby's who have never had to work for anything, therefore personal gain is nolonger looked at the way it used to be. We now fell society is obligated to give us everything, from a chance to opportunity, to even healthcare.
Enough preaching in a public forum, I'll shut up for now and climb off my soapbox. If you are really interested private message me and I'll continue with real examples of what I am saying.
Posted by: HondaHunter
Dirt you sound like a sensible young man. Glad to hear your replies. Continue with the attitude you're displaying and you'll go far.
Posted by: cowboy
Cummins and Hunter are both right. Somebody on here said not too long ago, that there's a funny thing about Dad's. Can't remember for sure, but it went something like "in your teens, you and dad don't get along too well-you think he's an idiot. in your 20's you begin to realize maybe your dad ain't an idiot afterall, he seems to be getting a little smarter. by the time you reach your 30's, you realize hey, your Dad's a genious, the time you guys spend together gets that much better every day."
Might not be exactly right, but it's close. For the record, I'm 25. Back when I was 16, I had saved up several thousand dollars to buy my own truck myself. I looked at several vehicles, found one that I definately wanted for sure-A lifted Chev 3/4 ton sitting on 35's with a blown 350, heavy duty running gear, paint job, interior, stereo-you name it. Then, Dad came in to inspect. You know what, I didn't get that truck. My heart was broke, man I was definately pi$$ed for quite some time. A few weeks later, Dad had found a truck for me to look at. It was a basically stock '80 Chevy 1/2ton with a rebuilt 350. Only thing on it was a brush guard with 2 fog lights and a roll (beauty) bar. It was strait, looked alright for a two tone black/gold center stripe. Anyway, Dad was determined that that was the truck I was to buy, so we took it home.
Within a few months, I had ordered a lift for it, then tires, began to build it myself-custom the way I wanted it-not the way somebody else had built it for themselves. Sure it took me a few years to do it, but I learned more about that truck and mechanics in general-how things work, etc. and had such a good time doing it that today, I actually thank my Dad for letting me buy that truck. (sshhh! don't tell him I said that! he doesn't need to hear it) Anyway, after a few years, I had that truck built, damn near perfect for my liking-it was now a TRUCK.
I guess my point is, maybe you should just listen to your dad this time. While your views and my views differ slightly with one respect-the lowering (I'd never be caught dead in anything lowered!) -you'd probably be better off to shop around, find a really good condition truck-probably basically stock- that you and your Dad can both agree on. After you get it home, drive it for a while, since you're only 16, you'll have to proove to your Dad that you are responsible now, and won't go out and kill yourself in the thing (deep down he IS slightly worried about that too), then after a few months start to modify the truck yourself, doing a few little things here and there. Before you know it, your new "plane, stock" truck will transform into your new "bad _ss rig" customized to YOUR liking. While it might be a hard bullet to swallow now, a few years down the road, I bet you'll feel the same as I do now, and thank your dad for the experience.
Best of luck,
Mike
Posted by: cowboy
Minehunter-
I thought it was you, though I couldn't remember for sure-didn't want to list somebody's name, then be wrong. Thank you though, you might be surprised, but it kind of hit home I guess you could say, kind of made me think a little, and yes, you were right. (of coure, the kid in me still says SHHHH!!! I didn't say that!) heh heh heh BR>
Hey, just thought I'd let you know though, I made it down to my dealer today to get the jets (for both 'Cats). We looked through every service manual he had, from '99 to present, couldn't find a 138 anywhere! It had listed as the 150 stock, with the 140, 142, 145 and 147 as "optional" jets. I went ahead and ordered two of the 140's, as he didn't have them in stock-they'll be here on Tuesday. He had another carb laying in the shop, so he showed me exactly how to do it, so I feel much better now seeing what it looks like. I'll back the adjustment screw down 1/8th turn at the same time, then make a few full throttle runs to check the plug, make sure it looks OK. Hopefully I can get it all done on thursday or friday, as I'm heading back to the ranch on friday afternoon for the weekend. If it all goes as planned, I should have a full report for you next week on how it performed, and hopefully, a significantly higher gas mileage increase as well!
BTW-we did a "check-over", and with 1,200 miles or so, at around 8-900 with the 'Claws, we feared a bad bearing. Luck was on my side though for a change, as it turned out the jam nut was backed off just a hair. We pulled the cotter pin, tightened the nut, it's perfect, as it should be. I'm changing ALL fluids after my ride next weekend though-(oil, diff's, etc.) A question for you though with your jet swap-did you keep the stock AC filter-I assume you had the blue foam one they had stock on the Auto's???, or did you swap it out for a K&N? I was just wondering if the stock filter had enough airflow for the new jet?
Anyway, Thanks again,
Mike
Posted by: cowboy
Man Bill, now that's a machine! Wouldn't mind having one of those now even. Heh heh heh, of course you're right though, with 475 hp out of that car, I'd probably be in trouble myself -especially after watching "Gone in 60 seconds" Oh Eleanor.... BR>
I know, I know, she was a '67 Shelby GT, but still, muscle cars-damn!
BTW-how's the foot lately? Didn't you have some trouble a while back with it, or surgery even??? Hope it's healed up OK, everythings back to normal.
Hey Dirt-
If you're Dad is footing the bill, I hate to say it but you're probably stuck with what he wants, whether you like it or not. Please don't be offended here, but do you work at all? Maybe if you offerred to pay for some of the truck, he'd be more inclined to listen to your opinions as to which one you might be able to buy. If he sees you taking an honest, sincere approach to actually wanting to "earn" the rig, rather than have it handed to you, he just might listen a little more. Then again, I had worked several years myself to save up the money to pay cash for my first pickup, my Dad still thought he knew which one was best. In retrospect, I am glad for that as I did get a great truck in the long run.
Anyway, I do wish you the best-it wasn't all that long ago that I was in your shoes myself. All I can say is hang in there, try to HEAR-not just listen-to what your Dad has to say, and above all, try NOT to take the offensive and get all worked up over it. That will only make things worse for both of you, and you just may end up with nothing at all.
Good luck, and hopefully you'll have a new ride in the not too distant future,
Mike
Posted by: cowboy
Diogenes has a good point, though put kinda strongly We do live in a child-dominated society today, but also like you said-kids today do have it better than "back in the day"-too good in my opinion. I come from a farm. No, I don't currently still live or work on it, as we sold it some years back, but like the old saying goes "you can take the boy out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the boy". My Dad was born on that same farm, the same one that my Grandpa inherited that had been handed down for years and years. In those times, you had to work for everything you had, and usually, that wasn't much. I was fortunate enough to come from part of that same farm (my Dad and Grandpa had already sold one of the upper ranches). As a result, I know the value of hard work. In today's society most kids don't.
I'm not saying you in particular, so please don't get offended, but today, most kids don't know what real work is. They bitch and complain about having to do anything at all strenuous, or get "pi$$ed off" if somebody asks them to do something, which usually means going out of their way to get off the couch or shut down the nintendo for a few minutes. Of course, in today's age, it probably isn't nintendo anymore, but most likely-the computer itself. In my opinion, this is due mostly in part to the parents responsibility, or lack there of. Parents should be the ones to make their kids get out and do more, learn the value of a dollar, rather than having everything handed to them. Of course, on the other hand, with all the politicians and such screaming for childrens rights and such, parents can't hardly even raise a child anymore without fear of getting thrown in jail for some stupid reason. What is considered abuse now was nothing more than a good spanking for something the child utterly deserved back when I was growing up -or back on the farm I should say. Unless you come from a farm, I doubt you'd know what I mean.
Hell, next time you go out in public, pay close attention to all the little kids around you-say at a restaraunt in fact. Just how are those kids acting? What are the parents doing about it? Hell, even the grocery store, or better yet, the gas station convenience store! Hell, when I was seen in public with my parents, or Grandparents, I stood right by their side, with my mouth shut, not saying anything, not doing anything unless asked or told to do so. Today, it's kids screaming and crying "mommy mommy I want this" or "daddy daddy, give me that, I want it now!" Unruly kids everywhere, and the parents won't do a damn thing about it. Even today, my Grandad will get on my case if I so much as raise my voice in a manner unbecomming of an adult. "son, don't take that tone with me" or something to that effect.
Take a look at all the guns and violence, drugs, gangs, etc. Why do you think this is? What age bracket are most of these "kids" in, and what makes them do this type of thing? Basically it comes down to the parents roll, or lack of. In most cases, I'd bet that most of those kids never got a spanking when they needed one. They were handed everything to them on a silver platter, and if it wasn't good enough, the parents got in trouble for it-not the kids. As for the guns-huh, don't even get me started with that one. I love guns myself, they are a very important part of my life, as well as every Americans in this country. Kids need to be taught at a young age to respect a firearm, to be taught how to handle one, and when to handle one. Sorry-said not to get me started didn't I.
So, basically when you question Diogenes about why he calls it a "child dominated society", I hope I have given just a few examples as to how he can say such a horrid thing. And, nothing personnal to you at all, please don't take offense, but can you see where I'm coming from? In all honesty, I highly doubt Diogenes is "jealous" of kids today. Personnally, I am damn glad I'm not a kid today-and feel bad for those who are.
Anyway, enough with the sermon. You have been given a lot of good information here with this thread, and at 16 years of age, you should be man enough to know how to handle it, or what to do about your situation. As I said before, I do wish you the best. Getting your first rig is and will always be something special that you'll remember for the rest of your life.
Mike
-sorry, HondaHunter-must have just posted about the same time-nice post, and especially the last paragraph-I couldn't agree more.
Posted by: cowboy
Dirt-
All I can say is Wow. Thank You. I was a little worried I might offend you with my last post, but I see now you know exactly what I'm talking about. Your last three paragraphs here sound like a whole new man-I'm very glad that we could help you out with this. I don't think there's much else to say, other than Best of Luck to ya, oh and-
Happy Birthday Man!
Mike
-And, Thanks Bill for the kind words!
Posted by: Holyman
An ancient saying from one of the wisest men that ever lived said...my son my law do not forget, and my commandments may your heart observe because length of days and years of life and peace will be added to you.
At times listening to your parents is the hardest thing in the world to do. BUT they have been where you are. I did not realize the perspective my parents had when I was a kid. There are THOUSANDS of things that your parents have experienced that you will NEVER know about. They are basing their instructions to you on their experiences. Be smart enough to understand that they DON'T stay awake at night thinking of how to screw up your life. They DO stay awake at night thinking of how they can direct you in a way that will benefit you. Be a man and be obedient. It will be the most truely masculine thing you'll do for a long time. And you won't believe how it will improve your relationship with your parents.
Posted by: Holyman
You could always thumb a ride or walk or ride your skate board or take your quad to town. I'd be drivin' the scrap truck if I didn't have to pay for it. It sure beats walkin'.
If he's paying for it then just shut up and take the keysBR>tip 1 "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"
tip 2 "beggers can't be choosers"
tip 3 "riding is better than walking"
tip 4 "driving is better than riding"
Posted by: Diogenes
The first post on this thread, and some following, suggest: we live in a child-dominated society.
Kid's father "pisses him off" because the old meanie presumes to tell his child what kind of vehicle the father will or will not buy for the kid.
The horror! Imagine; a parent GIVING a truck to a son, yet insisting on having something to say about the type and condition of the vehicle. What trauma the child must suffer at the hands of such an un-loving and irresponsible parent.
"Need some advice?" Call 911 immediately, and report your father to the police for child abuse. He will go to jail; you will be sent to an institution for over-privileged children.
Diogenes
Posted by: WildTurkey
I'm a hotrodder, and I TOTALLY believe in customizing a vehicle. But, I'm usually pretty skeptical about buying one that's already done. Did this guy put dropped spindles, or did he heat the coils? did he "C" the frame in rear? etc... Anyhow, you can have the best of both worlds(yours and Dad's) if you do this... Buy a basically stock truck, in good condition. Then, little at a time, make a few little mods. Starting with maybe a few mods that he'd never notice. Ease Pops into it. My dad was different. I had 2 cars when I was 15, and one of the first things my Dad helped me do was yank the 6 and put in a V8, then he showed me how to route and weld up dual exhaust. You're gonna have a more difficult time swaying him over to go along with ya' but don't give up.
Posted by: dirt817
My dad is really pi$$ing me off right now. I turn 16 next month and he told me to start looking for a truck. He wants me to have a full size-I don't have a problem with that. I found a 1982 chevy c-10 lowered, custom interior, aluminum wheels, rebuilt 305, bright yellow. He told me "its lowered, you'll be scraping groundhogs off the bottom all the time" Its only lowered 3 inches. He also said "its been altered so now its worthless" and I told him whatever I get I'm not leaving it stock, he said "oh yes you are". We are not on speaking terms right now. I need to convince him to be more open minded on the subject. I think its a real good deal for $3200. I'd think he'd be more concerned about the 305. Anyway, if you have some good advice either to convince him to be open minded, or how to get the truck, please help. Advice only, please, no comments about chevys or your own truck.
Thank You
Posted by: dirt817
You both have good points, but I have been looking for a truck for about 2 months already. It is not the first one I have looked at and it won't be the last since its already been sold. I would have put my own touch to the truck, but my dad seems to want to leave everything be the way it is.
He is an auto mechanic so I know I would get a good vehicle when the time comes. He has not had the best looking vehicles. They all served a function and didn't need to look good while doing it. Its just that the only problem I have is when he said I can't customize my vehicle. He has said that about my quad tooI had big plans for that truck. How would you like it if you had to leave your atv stock, replace worn out parts with oem instead of better aftermarket? Its just his attitude towards it. I know when I get a truck he will have me hauling all kinds of junk in it. I don't want to beat on it. Thats what he does to his cars.
Posted by: dirt817
I agree with what you are all saying. I wanted an S-10, he wants me to get a full-size. I want to customize it eventually, he wants me to leave it stock forever. Hell, my sister couldn't even put a stereo in her car until she was 21, and he still didn't like that. I'm not saying that is soon as I get it, it will be scraping frame or crunching cars. If I get a 4x4 its getting lifted to the sky, if its 2wd then I'm lowering it a few inches, I couldn't use a lowrider, I just think that it looks better and handles better when its a little closer to the ground.
I think his real problem is with my friend. He got a '96 S-10 when he was 15 1/2, now it has fast bag air suspension, caddy tail lights, 20 inch rims, shaved everything, sunfire seats, gibson exhaust you can hear for miles(literally), and a billet grill. My dad thinks I want a truck like that, I don't.
I know I'll find the right truck eventually, I just don't want him telling me what I want.
Posted by: dirt817
He will be paying for the truck, but not driving it. He has too many of his own vehicles to drive, A 198? chevy caprice station wagon, that I think could be tricked out pretty easily, A 198? dodge passenger van that he uses to haul his hot air balloon and crew, and he is permitted to drive almost any vehicle the company owns(which is ALOT). We use the beat up parts truck to haul scrap, I think he wants to make that truck a little closer to home since everytime we need it, we have to drive 10 miles to work to get it. I know when I get a truck it would be in good shape since he knows what to look at. I know he should be concerned about safety and my general well-being, but why would he say an altered truck is worthless. If its lowered a few inches or raised, can't it still perform its duty as a truck without compromising ats safety? Now that the truck has been sold without us even going to look at it, I can't find a truck(in my budget)that I liked as much as that one. I know he is going to pick out a truck that he likes and if I don't like it--too bad.
Thats the only problem I have, I want to have a say in what I'll Be driving until I'm on my own.
Posted by: dirt817
I'm not officially employed. I do mow the neighbor's lawn, do chores around the house. I am looking for a job right now, but the choices are extremely limited.
I talked to him yesterday, he said I shouldn't mess around with my basic trasportation. If I want to mess around with a car, buy another and modify that. I don't know if that was a sign that he'd let me buy another car (with my own money) or if that was a "when you are older" thing.
wildturkey - the truck had 3" dropped spindles and 4" blocks, aluminum wheels(16s I think), and a custom interior. Most of which I would have changed. I wanted a 4-link rear with bags, better wheels, better exhaust, and some little dress-up items. Did you go to a school like wyotech or something, or just wing it?
Posted by: dirt817
Both my parents got to decide what they drove as their first car. Their parents paid for their cars, too. They were given a budget of what they were allowed to spend and got what THEY wanted. Now they are trying to tell me what I want.
Diogenes-why do you say child dominated society? Is it because kids today enjoy such luxuries that were not available when you were a kid? Is it because there are so many products and advertisements and tv programs aimed at a youth audience? Maybe you're jelious since kids today have things alot better?
Posted by: dirt817
Cowboy- you and honda hunter have provided some of the best advice I've ever gotten from this forum. Getting my first vehicle will be a special moment, and I'd like to remember it as getting something I had picked out myself.
Diogenes- I appologize if i've offended you. I felt you were implying that I was some spoiled little brat who didn't get my way. I live out in the stix. The nearest store is a gas station 3 miles away. I do most of the yard work around the house, I help my dad work on cars, I help him haul scrap too. All expensive items I own I had to work for. I only get stuff for free during christmas and my birthday. The truck will be my only birthday present this year from my parents.
When I first posted this topic I was mad. I didn't give any thought to the matter and I wasn't thinking. Now, with a little help from you guys, I've begun to understand this whole thing.
I think I will listen to my dad about not messing with my primary form of transportation. I know of a car that could be fixed up real easily. I'm not sure what it is since I've only seen it from far away. It looks like a gangster car from the early movies. Wildturkey would like it.<--private message me if you want to know my plans for it!!
I think I've learned alot from this discussion and will give you all updates as my search for a truck continues.
Posted by: MXBUBS
All your life you will go on thinking your parents were wrong, and maybe even bad parents, then there will come a day when you finally understand, and someone will be next to you looking at you how you looked at them.
Posted by: treedognite
Your Dad makes some good points. Your basic transportation is what gets you where you need to go. It needs to be as reliable as possible and you don't need to be working on it all the time. Since your Dad is paying for it, take it and go. If you have reliable transportation that is paid for, then you can get a job and earn money for your "toy." While your "toy" is being modified you can use your "transportation" to chase parts, go to work and school, etc. Custom vehicles are fun but they sometimes are not the best basic transportation. You can usally get stock replacement parts cheaply and easily so there is less downtime. Custom parts often cost more and and have to be ordered.
When I was young, all I wanted was performance. As I grew older I learned to appreciate reliability and ease of maintenance in my transportation. I now have an eight year old (near stock) 4wd pickup for transportation. I also have three motorcycles and an atv for toys. When the pickup needs repaired, it has to be done as quickly and efficently as possible. When my toys need work, I can take my time and enjoy making modifications and changes along the way.
You should be thankful that your Dad can and will buy you a truck. I had to save up and pay cash for my first car (and pay for a years insurance). My Dad paid for the tag, which I thought was pretty good for a man who had a family of seven to support. He wasn't a mechanic so I had to learn to work on it by myself. But I always felt that it was "my" car and I took better care of it than the guys who hadn't had to pay for theirs. I didn't realize how many good lessons I was learning from that experience.
To paraphrase Mark Twain, when you are 16 your Dad is an idiot. It is amazing how much smarter he will get in the next twenty years. My first vehicle was easily replaced and I rarely think about it. My Dad passed away 16 years ago and I still think of him often. And I wish I had been smart enough to learn more of the things he could have taught me.
Posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
Lots,
of good advice in here,and to add to it some,I once wanted my father to co-sign for me when I was 18.I wanted a 1970 SS Chevelle with 475 hp.Dad would'nt budge with co-signing back than.And now at 43+yrs old,I think dad might have saved my life or at least stopped me from getting seriously injured in a car with that much HP.Im SO glad I did'nt get that car,but I did'nt feel that way back than,time will change some attitudes of today.
Take dads advice,especially if he is fronting the bill.
Bill
00 400cc Xplorer 4x4
Delta V-force reeds w/spacer kit
26 Inch Mudrunners
Modified PSI pipe w/Scrambler silencer
Heel Clickers clutch kit [REAL SOON]
KN Filter Uni-Filter
RcR air box mods
Posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
Cowboy,
yah,that same car today in great shape would bring in around 15 grand.I love them older muscle cars,regardless of who made them.
The foot?Well last yr in Sept or Oct,I had a stress fracture on my right foot and the Dr put me in a cast,I QUICKLY [within 3 hrs]removed it and I just took it very easy until late December when our 40 and over basketball league started.I played the entire season without incident.I might add that we won the regular season as well as the playoffs.Not bad for a bunch of older guys,but we been together for alot of yrs and that makes a huge differance in how a TEAM plays.About a month ago the same foot [heel] is giving me some problems and they want to fit me with arch supports.[Getting old sucks].I have not been able to play softball yet,but I think I might be ready this wk,hope so.
Bill
Posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
Dirt,
it pleases me to see you are trying to change your attitude.I will not give further advice on this topic,Cowboy and Diogenes both had EXCELLANT posts,as allways.Keep up the good work,we see improvement.
Bill
Posted by: Sportsmanjoe
Dirt I feel for ya!.............My dad had his own gas station, he had all the tools and the place,I could have built anything I wanted to pay for. He refused to let me buy anything big and bad. I grew up riding Old fart snowmobiles and motorcycles. I got a 104mph in a 50mph when I was 16, and drove old fart cars.
I'm 39 now, do what I did. GET A RIDE AND SPEND THE REST ON CHICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure It sucked then, but as you get older nobody remembers or cares! They'll remember you, work on that. It's not as much fun as a cool ride, but it's true.
If you end up getting a sweet ride though.........Man I wish I were you!.............There were a couple chicks that really went for guys that had sweet rides...................Hmmmmmmmmm, but they have 6 kids and are on welfare now.
Kinda sorry you asked now, aren't you?
Good Luck Buddy!
Posted by: Cummins
I haft to agree with Hunter! If you want to customize a truck, buy one and customize it the way you want it with your own money (it is more personal satisfying). Maybe Dad would be a little more compliant with your wants. I bought my 1st truck with my own money, but I did have my Dad there to help me pick out a trust-worthy one. My Dad was there cause of my respect for his experience and trust that he would find me a reliable truck. Also if I remember I didn't get my first one I wanted either.
Good Luck
Posted by: Mandy
i agree with holyman. my parents wouldn't buy me a car, so i didn't get one until i was 20. if they would have i would have taken anything they would have given me at that point. trust me having no car is waaaay worse than having one that you dont like. it sounds to me like your kind of spoiled. dont take that the wrong way, but instead of whining about not getting the truck you want, you should be saying thanks to your dad. because not everyone gets to drive their own vehicle at the age of 16. i know my kids aren't.
Posted by: Mandy
i wrote the last one without reading the rest of this. it's good to see your thinking about some stuff that was said here and happy b-day.
