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Posted by: Robert Venable
Who won the 27" shootout? Which is better for trail riding? which was better in the mud? What tires were tested?
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Arctic Cat 500, Not your average Kitty, The New King Of the Jungle
Posted by: Shane West
Anyone got the '97 October issuue of DW?? If so, please let me know. There is an article that I am looking for and I believe that it is in that issue. Thanks
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Shane
'97 Honda 300 4X - Vamped, Locked, & Lifted
Posted by: Matt Ruszkiewicz
Guys, you are all forgetting stuff! The 400ex will be modifid. And also they will say the DS looks cool but not as cool as the 400ex with race cut plastic and NEW Yellow Race inspired grafics. Then they will have a bunch of BS about how the 400ex is better because it is made by Honda and they made the 250r.
Then they will say they like the color red better than yellow.
DW is full of BS :)
Posted by: EXtreme
that puppy's gonna smoke everything on the block...12 inch suspension with a 650...so much for a new ex.
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Steve Small, 00' 400ex, 00' 325 Trail Boss for the Mrs.
Posted by: MaxRules
Does anyone have the DW January issue? In the "Over the bars" article it shows the 18 wheeled Maxzilla. If anyone has it I would like to know how to order it. Or if someone had it and a scanner and was willing to email it to me that would be awesome. Thanks for any info.
Posted by: RoostKing
The DS 650 looks and sounds great, on paper, but id hold on to your current quad for a bit longer!
As far as new two-strokes getting built, i would not count on it. The enviro-nutz are trying to clamp down hard, and in CAlifornia so far they are. Thats the reason the 400 ex is such an important machine. It looks as if it is helping generate interest among both the established ATV builders and some new and very interesting possibilities from equally well established companies, albeit in other power sports markets to build high performance 4 stroke ATV's.
Now if they would put get some guts ansd one of their 600+ triple 2-stroke snowmobile motors in a quad chassis, ID BE THERE!
RoostKing... Tore apart LT 250 R AGAIN!
Posted by: RoostKing
Hold on guys! the DS-650 is not officailly released yet! Its one thing to compare machines on paper and machines in a real test situation! I agree, the ds-650 LOOKS good on paper and pictures, but what about a ride? A heavily modified 400ex sounds awesome on paper, but i know a few people who are unhappy with the harsh sound(they are VERY loud!) required to match a banshee in performance. Are we all so blind with possible/ and or probable offerings that we will disregard known quantities as a viable and worthy machine? I have YET to see a DS-650, so why build the machine up in the forums before Bombardier has built it? In fact, this will be their FIRST quad EVER. I for one will wait to see what happens with this machine, regardless of how enamored i am by it! I only hope it runs as good as it looks!
RoostKing...
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Posted by: A400L
I just received my Sept. today. Nice peice on the DS650. Just info, no test ride.
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Jerry Goodman '99 400L, '98 TBlazer
Posted by: jhall
I just got my Sept. issue in the mail also.
The DS650 looks nice but I'll have to wait to see the reviews before I'd trade my EX.
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Jeff
Posted by: Michael Romack
I received my October issue 2 weeks ago in the mail. Best issue I ever got, because when I got to page 160 my 4yr. old son was in the center of the page. Everyone needs to check it out.
Posted by: mudmachine
About DW,
Now you ALL know what DW is gonna say," Its a nice first attempt (the 650), but our 400 ex just handled a little better and seemed to just be more powerful." Then it'll go on to say how the 400 ex has better shocks and bright red colors. ALL this, coming from a magazine that puts a picture of a 98 Yamaha Big Bear 350 in the photo shoot of the ALL NEW Big Bear 400.... PLEASE!!!!
As for myself, I DID NOT RENEW MY SUBSCRIPTION!!!!
Posted by: mudmachine
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA... that was a good one Adam..
Ya know, I was thumbing thru an old issue looking for a particular advertisement.... and it wasn't in there. Maybe you can help, I'm looking for a new pipe and muffler for my 400 EX... I'd like to find a jet kit too... and maybe some of those Baja 1000 winning skid plates...
Posted by: mudmachine
Roostking,
True, very true... That IS a logical and competent arguement, and maybe we shouldn't be trashing DW.. BUT, between the 30,000 pages of advertisement, the 16 pages of 400EX stuff, they 2-3 pages of everybody else (which they can NEVER get right!) Its kinda like a pathetic joke with no punchline.. So, rather than get pissed about the 14.95 we spent just to have our brand of machine or type of riding repeatedly attacked, we have a little fun with it.!!
Posted by: mudmachine
Mindz brings up a GOOD point... A VERY good point. In that 27" tire shootout.. they used ONLY Honda 450's.. Which would be just fine if all machines were created equal...
But, from personal experience I can tell ya that some machines will go places with stock tires that 27" Vampires on a Honda can't go..
It has to do with a machines ability to produce WHEELSPEED..
The first couple of times I saw it happen, I just blew it off as driver skill, but after riding with some other people repeatedly, There is a HUGE difference between an auto transmission quad and one with a conventional gearbox.
A Honda goes into a mudhole with 27" Vampires, grinds and churns away, but doesnt quite make it...ends up getting winched out. A Polaris(or you could say Grizzly here) with 25" tires goes into the same hole running the same line and makes it thru... Yes, the AWD system definitely helps, but I think WHEELSPEED plays a MAJOR part in getting thru.
A Honda can't hardly get past 1st or 2nd gear in the mud, whereas a Polaris can just whack the throttle and hold on for dear life.. Maybe THATS why Yamaha and Artic Cat have brought out a few Auto Tranny Quads to see if they've learned what we all already know.
Posted by: mudmachine
Crap,
What I was trying to get to is that maybe Dirt Wheels should have ran two different tests with those tires, one with all brands mounted on Honda 450's and one with them mounted on Polaris Magnum 500's.
The tires might respond differently to an auto tranny quad.
Its hard to throw ANY tire clean at 5 m.p.h. But, at 45 m.p.h. (wheelspeed) You can throw almost ANY tire clean.
It was JUST a THOUGHT!!
Posted by: Boger
Dirt Wheels has got pretty much the same acticles as 4WA, but its got more advertiments which I think is a plus when looking for parts.
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*400EX* *LT250R* Evan Johnson Email: JaVa003@AoL.CoM
Posted by: RidE
How did you like the article on finding good deals on used quads? I am not subscribed, but I've got the issues up to here.
Posted by: RidE
OK, this is the way it is, straight up...
SPORT RIDERS : subscribe to ATVsport
UTILITY ATVERS : subscribe to ATV Magazine
A LITTLE OF BOTH : go ahead and go with Dirt Wheels or 4-wheel ATV Action
Personally, I subscribe to all 4, and look forward to every one arriving on my door step. The one I personally love is ATVsport magazine. 100% sport quads, racing, and riding. It sounds like ATVsport is what most of you in here need.
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- 1996 Kawasaki Mojave, 1998 Kawasaki Mojave, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/8090/home.html
Posted by: quad_man
I have to agree with Robert.
In the first shootout they will compare the DS650 and 400EX, and all throughout the article mention how the 650 handles better, has faster acceleration, faster top speed, is more comfortable, more controllable, looks better, and is more appealing than the 400ex. In the summary say that even with all the things the 650 is better at, they just have to give the 400ex the win because it just seems better and they can't stand how the 650's stickers peeled off a little to easy.
Then the next issue they will do a another shootout titled, "FIRST TEST: Battle of the 600's!" It will be Grizzly VS DS650. The only place they will test it will be "their secret test track." They will say for no reason should anyone buy a Grizzly no matter what because the 650 is so much faster. The summary will say you would still be better off buying 400ex anyway.
I stretched it just a little (a little), but isn't this the foundation that Dirt Wheels was built on?
Now, I need some help. I can't seem to find any articles on the 400ex. Reviews, hop-guides, part suggestions, anything, I want them. I just can't find anything about the 400ex anywhere in any of the magazines! And I am sick & tired of seeing custom built 4x4 mud machines and rock crawlers!
Adan Dowden
Posted by: quad_man
Mud Tire Shootout
I really enjoyed the 27" mud tire shootout, too bad I can't put some on my Scrambler for mud running.
One thing that I think should have been included, as well as with every tire review no matter what the use, is the TRUE tire height. If you took the tallest and shortest 25" tires out right now, there is a big difference!
Posted by: Mike Frey
What is the most recent Dirt Wheels? My most current issue is August. I need to renew my subscription and I think I missed an issue.
Posted by: Mike Frey
As long as you guys are bashing Dirt Wheels, I'd like to join in. One thing that really bugs me, is that whenever they decide to make a project quad, they always use White Brothers or Four Stroke Tech. White Brothers did the Project 400EX (MX and dunes), the Project Wolverine and the Project Grizzly and Four Stroke Tech did the 500EX and the TRX420 4x4. Why don't they use a different company every time? There are plenty to choose from.
I am glad, however, to see the Golden West project quads and the Mission Yamaha project quads. Overall, I look forward to getting my Dirt Wheels (and 4-Wheel ATV Action, they have similar stuff), but I would like to see more material on sport/hi-performance quads. That is why I subscribe to ATV Sport..........
Posted by: ecbaatz
Ride,
Do you have a number for the ATV magazine?
If so please e-mail me with it. I have ATV sport (will be letting that expire) but since I have a King Quad I prefer less sport type articles and more how I can use my Utility type quad for other things, Hunting, rock climbing, farming etc. (I have to have good excuses so the wife doesn't get up set when I spend money on it).
I had a subscription to 4WA but dropped it, since a lot of articles appear duplication of Dirtwheels. I am maintaining that but I wish they had a little more utility type articles.
Thanks,
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Eric Baatz
Remmember the KING Lives!!
Posted by: freddie889
That DS650 will hopefully get the other factry's butts in gear and maybe someone will produce a killer 2-stroke! I can't wait for the test ride in next month's issue!
....Freddie
Posted by: Scott
Matt, Mud Machine, and Adam,
You are all right on the money. If you are ever looking for another job, send an application in to DW. Do I dare say that if the 650 beats out the 400ex that I will eat the entire issue??? :)
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Scott Colson 98 Scrambler 500 91 Yamaha Moto 4 250
Posted by: KevWarrior
Robert,
Tires in the shootout were all 27", they were the Interco Vampire, Stu Tri-Claw Magnum, Maxxis Mud Bug, ITP AG Tire, and the ITP XCT Blackwater. DW said the Vampires were the best in the mud. The Blackwaters were the better trail ride.
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Kevin JA Works of Georgia
1996 Yamaha Warrior
Posted by: Mud600
They didn't test the Mudrunners?
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Posted by: AC454
You are forgetting something,
If Honda went bankrupt, then they would still have their beloved Polaris to write about on every page.
Posted by: MiNdZ
I subscribed to DW and just buing a new Arctic Cat 500 was hoping to see maybe a review or sumting for it but all i see id them testing the banshee of 400ex again...then adding a new decal kit..testing again...we add a new bolt...test again...Does honda pay them to say HONDA RULE BUY A 400EX OR YOUR ARE A LOSER???Then they do a test on mud tires and use 'HONDA' 450es....There are other manufactiures out there...i aint dissing honda but i spent 15 bucks on a magazine i want to see sumthing diffrent not just honda this honda that.
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Posted by: mattsibley
About dirt wheels favoring honda..... I think that is Bu!! $H!T. In a recent test they picked the kawasaki 300 over the honda 300 4x4's. Even though I own a honda 300, I willl say that witho8t larger tires, The ground clearance SUCKS!!! It was like 6.8 but with my vamps I now have in between 9 and 10. So don't go saying all this bull about honda ruling dirt wheels. You have a valid point though, in the test between the sport the banshee and the 400ex the banshee won every race. But at the bottom of the page they say that they like the 400ex better. So wheres that come from? I guess they are screwed up!!!
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Matt Sibley
1999 Honda 300 4x4 Vampires and 2500 lb. winch
Posted by: Phoenix1
Thats pretty cool Michael. He's a celeberty
Posted by: gollem
Eric,
You already have the number. ATV magazine is by the same publiser as atv sport. Here is there web site
http://www.ehlertpowersports.com/
