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Posted by: hammer4
I am thinking about buying 1 or 2 new rifles. For Bolt Action I am looking at the following: Browning T-Bolt, CZ 452 American, Weatherby XXII. As for Semi-Auto I am looking at: Thompson Center Classic R-55, Marlin Model 60, Ruger 10/22. Also considering for .17 HMR, a Marlin 917V. The Weatherby would probably be out of my price range with a $900 price tag, but the rest are a possibility. If you could pick 2 of the bunch that I mentioned, which ones would you buy, and why? Any advice or opinions are appreciated! The only .22 I have right now is a Winchester 67A single shot.
Posted by: hammer4
Originally posted by: Night Raider
If you want a really nice gun, take a look at the Sako Quad, four barrels, four different cartidges. I's a bit pricey though, I'll stick with my 10/22.
Yeah, That Sako Quad looks like it would be one heck of a rifle to own, but you are right, at $1,739.00 it is out of my price range for now!
Posted by: hammer4
I should of clarified with my original post with what I will be using the rifles for. Mostly varmints including: Squirrels, whistlepigs, raccoons, etc. And for plinking of course! Now I have decided that I will probably first go buy a Ruger 10/22, as I can get one for $170 new. After that I am looking at a Thompson Center Classic R-55 semi-auto, and for .17 HMR, a CZ 452. I might look into buying a bigger caliber centerfire such as the Savage 12FV .223, or the .223 CZ 527. CZ= Ceska Zbrojovka. If money was not object, I would get that Sako Quad rifle!
Posted by: hammer4
JohnO, Thanks for getting this thread back on track for me, as it was getting to be a pi**ing match, and that's not what I wanted it to get to. I bought a Ruger 10/22 Carbine last Saturday. It should be a fun rifle. I am not done yet, as I still would like another higher end .22, a .17HMR, and maybe a 204 Ruger caliber centerfire, or a .223 caliber centerfire. Then someday I would maybe be looking into getting a shotgun, probably a 12 gauge.
Posted by: hammer4
Originally posted by: Night Raider
good choice on gun. If you're looking for a centre fire rifle in the 22cal range, may I suggest the .22-250 (depending on what you're using it for) works great on everything up to and including deer.
Thanks, I will consider the .22-250 also. Last time I hunted deer was when I was a teenager many years ago. One of my older brothers lent me his Marlin 336 35 Remington. Nice rifle.
Posted by: hammer4
I am going to have to check out the Savage 12FV, and the CZ527 for .223 caliber centerfire. And for .17 HMR, the CZ 452. And I want to check out the Thompson Center Classic R-55 in .22 caliber.
Posted by: hammer4
Originally posted by: DVXDUDE
ruger for the .22lr only because of all the aftermarket parts.
CZ for the 17hmr. Real nice gun and could shoot the d*ck off a hummingbird at 200 yards /end quote>
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Posted by: JohnO
Back to the original subject...
The Weatherby is a work of art. It's actually an Anschutz 64 action, with a Weatherby quality stock, which is to say a beautiful stock. Pricey, though - cheapest I've seen an XXII new is around $800. I'd love to have one, but that price...
CZ is an outstanding buy, high quality at a midrange price. I'm looking at one of their 452FS rifles in 17HMR with the Mannlicher stock, very handsome. Of the .22's you mentioned, that's the one I'd probably choose. Pick these up for $300, and worth every cent.
Bought a Marlin 917v last year. Interesting rifle, dead accurate to 150 yards. You have to spend some money on the 917 to get it to shoot right, replace the trigger group ($60) definitely, and a scope as it has no iron sights. But 17HMR is an interesting little cartridge, in some ways it acts like centerfire. The Marlin does come with a Green Mountain target barrel. Another to look at is the CZ in 17HMR. Doesn't have the Marlin's target barrel, but it does have a well made trigger group and stock, and iron sights. By the time you add a better trigger and stock to the Marlin, you're past the CZ's price.
Own two Ruger 10/22's. Nice rifles, very reliable. As far as accuracy? I've shot tricked out 10/22's, quite accurate, but they weren't quite as good as my two best .22LR's - Anschutz Match 54, and Winchester 52D. Close, but not quite, though we're talking about sub .2" groups at 50 yards vs sub .3" groups.
I did a web page on my .22's, including a bullet test, My 22 Rifles.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
I've got several Ruger 10/22s. The one I have set up for target shooting is quite accurate. When I want real accuracy or when I would shoot in our shooting club matches I would shoot an old Remington 513T MatchMaster. I had it set of for either scope or iron sights which are redfield peep sights. It would out shoot the Ruger easily and the Ruger is really good.
The biggest problem I had with the remington was the variability in rimfire ammunition. You would have to be very careful about making sure you were shooting from the same lot numbers. I had shot an Ely round in it for ages and all of a sudden my groups were opening up and were getting erratic. The lot numbers were different so they must have changed something. I can sometimes shoot CCI green tag and sometimes I can't. Oh it is all accurate enough but it doesn't all perform to the bleeding edge potential. right now I'm shooting Ely Tennex Ultimate EPS which is shooting about as well as anything except some Lapua Midas M which I have been trying out and the remington really seems to like it. It's a couple bucks cheaper a box too which is a bonus. .22 match ammunition is as expensive as centerfire which is really hard to get use to when you are accustomed to paying less than a dollar for 50 and now you are paying more for a single box of 50 than you pay for an entire brick of 500 of normal .22 ammunition.
Posted by: tencubed
I've had a Ruger 10/22 for many years now and fired many thousands of rounds thru it. Being one of the very early ones this rifle has been hauled around in pickups and sundry other conveyance and generally had the heck beat out of it. It's topped with a Weaver 3 power scope that has put up with the abuse for these many years. Ultra reliable and very accurate I have to agree with the other posts about this rifle.
Marlin has been making some very nice bolt action rifles in both 22 and the new 17 calibers. I understand why you would want a rim fire bolt rifle for longer range shooting even tho they offer very little or nothing in the way of increased accuracy over the 10/22. Something about a bolt gun with a long barrel and good scope for pushing the range limits of a cartridge. If I were adding a new bolt rifle to the rack I would consider something other than a rim fire. Perhaps something on the order of a 17 Remington or a 223.
I do not agree with shooting signs to test the penetration ability or accuracy of any cartridge. It's vandalism and gives a bad name to shooters in general.
This last part is just my opinion and I could be wrong. But you know I'm not.
Posted by: tencubed
Originally posted by: dosceola
hey i never said to shoot a sign I asked if he had or similar material.
{ Apparently I misread your first post where you were describing the effect of a standard 22RF round verses the way your 17 would "burn right thru it". Sorry for the confusion and am glad we agree about the stupidity of shooting up signs. }
and shooters in general make a bad name for themselves by not being careful.
{ The vast majority of the people I shoot with, at the range or in the field, follow strict safety practices at all times. Those who fail to correct bad habits are asked to leave. The risks of being around someone who is careless in their handling or use of a weapon are not acceptable. To say that "shooters in general" are not careful is an indication of something amiss in your experience. I would encourage you to join a local NRA affiliated shooting club and become familiar with the members there. }
and i like how u quote hitler there, U must not see how america is doing same thing.
{ That particular quote is there simply to point out that the efforts being put forth by many have a reference point in history. Didn't work then and it won't work now. Being an active member of the National Rifle Association for many years I am quite aware of what is occurring in regards to the Second Amendment. }
every gun has someones name on it regardless of who owns now.
{ Not true, there are many legally owned rifles and pistols that have never been registered and are used on a regular basis. }
and point of fact is he asked your opinion about a 22 caliber round.
{ One of several questions ask. }
a 22 is a ok weapon for plinking cans at distances of 100 yrds tops
{ This bit of information will be a surprise to many shooters. Particularly those who participate in informal shoots at longer ranges with the 22RF. }
the length has nothing to do with it cause if a bullet is spun more then it's made for it will tumble.
{ Not really sure what length you are referring too here but if it is my referring too a longer barrel that was made as a suggestion for added rifle stability and accuracy. The length of the barrel has nothing to do with how fast the bullet rotates. I agree that rotational speed VS bullet length has an effect on bullet yaw and tumble. }
and i agree with your fact about tossing gun around and it still being good shooter,even though u had to resight scope everytime u shoot. thats nature of scopes.
{ I would suggest you change the way you are mounting your scopes or the brand of scope you are using. Seldom have a scope loose zero. }
a 22 has a 7 inch drop after 100 yrds
{ This is, of course, totally dependent on the distance at which the rifle is sighted in as well as the particular ammunition used and other factors. }
and i like longer range shots and have made 22 rounds hit targets at distances of 300 yrds or more but u could have thrown bullet and had same impact power on target and u will never have a good group with a 22 theres no shot group that u could ever make twice with a 22. and that comes from how they are manufactered. in bulk.
{ Where to start on this? The 22 Long Rifle Rimfire can be lethal way beyond 300 yards. The warning on packages stating "Range 1 Mile" is indicative of this. To imply it is no more powerful than a thrown bullet at these ranges is irresponsible. As to the 22RF not being accurate, well, perhaps you should take a look at the groups fired at any number of competitions each year. Simply study the record books to dispel any myth of the 22RF being inaccurate or inconsistent in the hands of a competent shooter. }
so in my opinion a 22 is fun and can be challenging but the latter is because of all the variables that come from a cheap round. I'm sorry to be so matter of fact about this but i have more trigger time then u would believe.
{ The 22RF is the most fired round in the world as well as being the longest, age wise, continually manufactured round. Always fun to go out and shoot up a brick or two of '22s. Really no reason for you to apologize, you are entitled to any opinion and belief that works for you. As to "trigger time" a shooter can never have too much of that. Even after more than 50 years of shooting and reloading I still look forward to the next opportunity to burn some powder. }
and my weapon of choice is my A3 in a .223 caliber.
{ Always nice to have a favorite rifle, depends on what I'm doing which rifle I prefer for the job at hand. The .223 calibre is great for many uses, have several different rifles in this calibre. One of my favorites being a wildcat built on the 30-30 case straightened and shortened. }
but tencubed must long for the good ole days cause hes quoting them now.
{ If you are referring, again, to the Hitler quote I hope you are spending some time and effort to keep this from happening again. There are some things about years past that I do miss but life in this day and age is much easier. }
Posted by: pwillie
....257 Weatherby.........
Posted by: DVXDUDE
ruger for the .22lr only because of all the aftermarket parts.
CZ for the 17hmr. Real nice gun and could shoot the d*ck off a hummingbird at 200 yards
Posted by: MIwolvy
You cant beat the quality, and reliability of the ruger 10/22...plus the aftermarket for these guns is enormous. You can stick a 50 round magazine in them straight out of the box and have a blast, or go all out and do new stocks, barrels, or whatever else floats your boat.
As for bolt action, why do you want one? In a larger caliber hunting rifle, I can see...supposedly a bolt action rifle will hold the shell better and be much more accurate out of the box, but with a .22 it really wont make a difference. A 10/22 with a bull barrel and a good scope will be extremely accurate with a good shooter.
Right now, I have a remington 597 which I wouldn't recommend to anybody...the magazine and action design is far inferior to the ruger, which I will be picking up soon. The 597 looks good, but it jams up more than any other gun I have ever shot.
here is my remington 597
the pic is huge, so I will just post the link.....
remington 597 lss
and here is the ruger I plan on picking up soon:
Posted by: MIwolvy
.22-250 is a great gun, and will be one of my next purchases...but its illegal for deer in some states, a .243 is the smallest you can use for deer around here (Michigan) And in my opinion, a .243 is one of the best all around guns you can buy. I target shoot with mine @500 yards, use it for varmint, coyotes and deer. I dropped a 6 point last year at 350 yards with a 70 grain ballistic tip bullet (I know, that's a little light for deer, but that's what I sighted the gun in with, so I didn't want to switch for deer hunting and throw my aim off...plus with good shot placement, its not that big of a deal) They are a blast to shoot because of the lack of recoil, and are very fast and flat shooting.
Posted by: Night Raider
Go with the Ruger 10/22, great gun, I saw bass pro had them on sale for $179CND. Mine has never skipped a beat even after a less then stellar cleaning record.
Posted by: Night Raider
If you want a really nice gun, take a look at the Sako Quad, four barrels, four different cartidges. I's a bit pricey though, I'll stick with my 10/22.
Posted by: Night Raider
good choice on gun. If you're looking for a centre fire rifle in the 22cal range, may I suggest the .22-250 (depending on what you're using it for) works great on everything up to and including deer.
Posted by: dosceola
get the ruger, If u want u can do what i did and convert it to a .17 mach 2 from the 10/22 and u can have both in one. the conversion is from eabco and u can get it shipped straight to your house no FLL needed it is a diffrent bolt and barrel.
Hope u dont mind me bragging alittle but my .17 is faster at 100 yards then a 22 is at the muzzle. dead acurate and fast. i dunno if u shot a sign or the like before but 22 will go thru but it puts dent and almost stops when it hits. .17 burns thru it no dent clean hole and still carries afterwards. Conversion is 160$ if i remember right. but its worth it.
Posted by: dosceola
sorry to add but 22s are some dirty rounds and accuracy depends on clean bore and i mean cleaning after 100 rds is almost mandatory. but i agree about bolt actions in 22 just a pain and no more accurate in 22 caliber then semi auto.
Posted by: dosceola
hey i never said to shoot a sign I asked if he had or similar material.and shooters in general make a bad name for themselves by not being careful. and i like how u quote hitler there, U must not see how america is doing same thing. every gun has someones name on it regardless of who owns now. and point of fact is he asked your opinion about a 22 caliber round. a 22 is a ok weapon for plinking cans at distances of 100 yrds tops the length has nothing to do with it cause if a bullet is spun more then it's made for it will tumble. and i agree with your fact about tossing gun around and it still being good shooter,even though u had to resight scope everytime u shoot. thats nature of scopes. a 22 has a 7 inch drop after 100 yrds and i like longer range shots and have made 22 rounds hit targets at distances of 300 yrds or more but u could have thrown bullet and had same impact power on target and u will never have a good group with a 22 theres no shot group that u could ever make twice with a 22. and that comes from how they are manufactered. in bulk. so in my opinion a 22 is fun and can be challenging but the latter is because of all the variables that come from a cheap round. I'm sorry to be so matter of fact about this but i have more trigger time then u would believe. and my weapon of choice is my A3 in a .223 caliber. but tencubed must long for the good ole days cause hes quoting them now.
Posted by: dosceola
Originally posted by: tencubed
Originally posted by: dosceola
hey i never said to shoot a sign I asked if he had or similar material.
{ Apparently I misread your first post where you were describing the effect of a standard 22RF round verses the way your 17 would "burn right thru it". Sorry for the confusion and am glad we agree about the stupidity of shooting up signs. }
and shooters in general make a bad name for themselves by not being careful.
{ The vast majority of the people I shoot with, at the range or in the field, follow strict safety practices at all times. Those who fail to correct bad habits are asked to leave. The risks of being around someone who is careless in their handling or use of a weapon are not acceptable. To say that "shooters in general" are not careful is an indication of something amiss in your experience. I would encourage you to join a local NRA affiliated shooting club and become familiar with the members there. }
-- I live in Arizona where gun laws are still very primitive. u don't need license to wear a gun in plain site here. that being said, with all the desert and mountains here people flock to these areas on weekends and
i spend a great amount of time in these areas because of business i own,desert rescue.i.e break downs,getting stuck that kinda thing. and i get my business mostly from driving around and spotting folks who need a hand. now u would cringe at how many times I get shot at on average by careless a-- holes who just wanna shoot at anything. Daily i come upon targets people have put out that are right in the road they travled to get there. hundreds of spent shells around obviously with no concern for who might be coming down road. there are careful people here as well but they are outweighed by the morons who care less. i mean people drive down the road blasting out there windows.
And i do belong to NRA for long time now and my brother and i have a club we shoot with,AZ lead layers. and we promote safety. but when i come later same old same old so many guns here its scary.
and i like how u quote hitler there, U must not see how america is doing same thing.
{ That particular quote is there simply to point out that the efforts being put forth by many have a reference point in history. Didn't work then and it won't work now. Being an active member of the National Rifle Association for many years I am quite aware of what is occurring in regards to the Second Amendment. }
every gun has someones name on it regardless of who owns now.
{ Not true, there are many legally owned rifles and pistols that have never been registered and are used on a regular basis. }
--i agree but u must agree that these are older people with older weapons.
and point of fact is he asked your opinion about a 22 caliber round.
{ One of several questions ask. }
a 22 is a ok weapon for plinking cans at distances of 100 yrds tops
{ This bit of information will be a surprise to many shooters. Particularly those who participate in informal shoots at longer ranges with the 22RF. }
the length has nothing to do with it cause if a bullet is spun more then it's made for it will tumble.
{ Not really sure what length you are referring too here but if it is my referring too a longer barrel that was made as a suggestion for added rifle stability and accuracy. The length of the barrel has nothing to do with how fast the bullet rotates. I agree that rotational speed VS bullet length has an effect on bullet yaw and tumble. }
---there are many diffrent lengths of barrels u can get for average 22. and the twists in the barrel determine how it comes out and its overall accuracy. longer barrels have more twist and they most often are far to much.
and i agree with your fact about tossing gun around and it still being good shooter,even though u had to resight scope everytime u shoot. thats nature of scopes.
{ I would suggest you change the way you are mounting your scopes or the brand of scope you are using. Seldom have a scope loose zero. }
---ok then seldom do u toss it in your truck as u say. and i find hard to believe u have had scopes that didnt lose zero at one time or another.i shoot daily as i said and have many diffrent scopes i use leopolds gold ring series are my choice and only careful handeling keeps them on target.
a 22 has a 7 inch drop after 100 yrds
{ This is, of course, totally dependent on the distance at which the rifle is sighted in as well as the particular ammunition used and other factors. }
---distance u sight in has nothing to do with the fact that bullet drops 7 inches after 100 yards if u sight in 22 at 150 yards u have 81/2 inch drop u compensate for in scope u are not aiming true. gravity is constant and so is bullet drop.
and i like longer range shots and have made 22 rounds hit targets at distances of 300 yrds or more but u could have thrown bullet and had same impact power on target and u will never have a good group with a 22 theres no shot group that u could ever make twice with a 22. and that comes from how they are manufactered. in bulk.
{ Where to start on this? The 22 Long Rifle Rimfire can be lethal way beyond 300 yards. The warning on packages stating "Range 1 Mile" is indicative of this. To imply it is no more powerful than a thrown bullet at these ranges is irresponsible. As to the 22RF not being accurate, well, perhaps you should take a look at the groups fired at any number of competitions each year. Simply study the record books to dispel any myth of the 22RF being inaccurate or inconsistent in the hands of a competent shooter. }
---first off a competent shooter does not burn a brick and still have 1 inch groups unless they clean there rifle every 50 rounds or more.and i dont know what u mean when u say RF after 22? how many rounds do they put out in competions each year? with barrell compensators and shooting from fixed position. rarely do u have a bench to sit on when in the field and shooting sticks dont even help that much. I would like to see 1 inch groups fired from same 22 rifle without a cleaning cold bore alone will not allow that.
so in my opinion a 22 is fun and can be challenging but the latter is because of all the variables that come from a cheap round. I'm sorry to be so matter of fact about this but i have more trigger time then u would believe.
{ The 22RF is the most fired round in the world as well as being the longest, age wise, continually manufactured round. Always fun to go out and shoot up a brick or two of '22s. Really no reason for you to apologize, you are entitled to any opinion and belief that works for you. As to "trigger time" a shooter can never have too much of that. Even after more than 50 years of shooting and reloading I still look forward to the next opportunity to burn some powder. }
and my weapon of choice is my A3 in a .223 caliber.
{ Always nice to have a favorite rifle, depends on what I'm doing which rifle I prefer for the job at hand. The .223 calibre is great for many uses, have several different rifles in this calibre. One of my favorites being a wildcat built on the 30-30 case straightened and shortened. }
---i know what a wildcat is, not a gun u sit down and put 100 rounds thru at a time for the mere expense of cartridge. and yes i understand reloads are cheaper but thats after equipment has been paid for.and with prices nowdays thats still a long time.
but tencubed must long for the good ole days cause hes quoting them now.
{ If you are referring, again, to the Hitler quote I hope you are spending some time and effort to keep this from happening again. There are some things about years past that I do miss but life in this day and age is much easier. }
--im 32 and i would like to see things again also but reality is that the past is that, the past and things will never be the same again no matter how much we try
Posted by: dosceola
Originally posted by: tencubed
Originally posted by: dosceola
hey i never said to shoot a sign I asked if he had or similar material.
{ Apparently I misread your first post where you were describing the effect of a standard 22RF round verses the way your 17 would "burn right thru it". Sorry for the confusion and am glad we agree about the stupidity of shooting up signs. }
and shooters in general make a bad name for themselves by not being careful.
{ The vast majority of the people I shoot with, at the range or in the field, follow strict safety practices at all times. Those who fail to correct bad habits are asked to leave. The risks of being around someone who is careless in their handling or use of a weapon are not acceptable. To say that "shooters in general" are not careful is an indication of something amiss in your experience. I would encourage you to join a local NRA affiliated shooting club and become familiar with the members there. }
-- I live in Arizona where gun laws are still very primitive. u don't need license to wear a gun in plain site here. that being said, with all the desert and mountains here people flock to these areas on weekends and
i spend a great amount of time in these areas because of business i own,desert rescue.i.e break downs,getting stuck that kinda thing. and i get my business mostly from driving around and spotting folks who need a hand. now u would cringe at how many times I get shot at on average by careless a-- holes who just wanna shoot at anything. Daily i come upon targets people have put out that are right in the road they travled to get there. hundreds of spent shells around obviously with no concern for who might be coming down road. there are careful people here as well but they are outweighed by the morons who care less. i mean people drive down the road blasting out there windows.
And i do belong to NRA for long time now and my brother and i have a club we shoot with,AZ lead layers. and we promote safety. but when i come later same old same old so many guns here its scary.
and i like how u quote hitler there, U must not see how america is doing same thing.
{ That particular quote is there simply to point out that the efforts being put forth by many have a reference point in history. Didn't work then and it won't work now. Being an active member of the National Rifle Association for many years I am quite aware of what is occurring in regards to the Second Amendment. }
every gun has someones name on it regardless of who owns now.
{ Not true, there are many legally owned rifles and pistols that have never been registered and are used on a regular basis. }
--i agree but u must agree that these are older people with older weapons.
and point of fact is he asked your opinion about a 22 caliber round.
{ One of several questions ask. }
a 22 is a ok weapon for plinking cans at distances of 100 yrds tops
{ This bit of information will be a surprise to many shooters. Particularly those who participate in informal shoots at longer ranges with the 22RF. }
the length has nothing to do with it cause if a bullet is spun more then it's made for it will tumble.
{ Not really sure what length you are referring too here but if it is my referring too a longer barrel that was made as a suggestion for added rifle stability and accuracy. The length of the barrel has nothing to do with how fast the bullet rotates. I agree that rotational speed VS bullet length has an effect on bullet yaw and tumble. }
---there are many diffrent lengths of barrels u can get for average 22. and the twists in the barrel determine how it comes out and its overall accuracy. longer barrels have more twist and they most often are far to much.
and i agree with your fact about tossing gun around and it still being good shooter,even though u had to resight scope everytime u shoot. thats nature of scopes.
{ I would suggest you change the way you are mounting your scopes or the brand of scope you are using. Seldom have a scope loose zero. }
---ok then seldom do u toss it in your truck as u say. and i find hard to believe u have had scopes that didnt lose zero at one time or another.i shoot daily as i said and have many diffrent scopes i use leopolds gold ring series are my choice and only careful handeling keeps them on target.
a 22 has a 7 inch drop after 100 yrds
{ This is, of course, totally dependent on the distance at which the rifle is sighted in as well as the particular ammunition used and other factors. }
---distance u sight in has nothing to do with the fact that bullet drops 7 inches after 100 yards if u sight in 22 at 150 yards u have 81/2 inch drop u compensate for in scope u are not aiming true. gravity is constant and so is bullet drop.
and i like longer range shots and have made 22 rounds hit targets at distances of 300 yrds or more but u could have thrown bullet and had same impact power on target and u will never have a good group with a 22 theres no shot group that u could ever make twice with a 22. and that comes from how they are manufactered. in bulk.
{ Where to start on this? The 22 Long Rifle Rimfire can be lethal way beyond 300 yards. The warning on packages stating "Range 1 Mile" is indicative of this. To imply it is no more powerful than a thrown bullet at these ranges is irresponsible. As to the 22RF not being accurate, well, perhaps you should take a look at the groups fired at any number of competitions each year. Simply study the record books to dispel any myth of the 22RF being inaccurate or inconsistent in the hands of a competent shooter. }
---first off a competent shooter does not burn a brick and still have 1 inch groups unless they clean there rifle every 50 rounds or more.and i dont know what u mean when u say RF after 22? how many rounds do they put out in competions each year? with barrell compensators and shooting from fixed position. rarely do u have a bench to sit on when in the field and shooting sticks dont even help that much. I would like to see 1 inch groups fired from same 22 rifle without a cleaning cold bore alone will not allow that.
so in my opinion a 22 is fun and can be challenging but the latter is because of all the variables that come from a cheap round. I'm sorry to be so matter of fact about this but i have more trigger time then u would believe.
{ The 22RF is the most fired round in the world as well as being the longest, age wise, continually manufactured round. Always fun to go out and shoot up a brick or two of '22s. Really no reason for you to apologize, you are entitled to any opinion and belief that works for you. As to "trigger time" a shooter can never have too much of that. Even after more than 50 years of shooting and reloading I still look forward to the next opportunity to burn some powder. }
and my weapon of choice is my A3 in a .223 caliber.
{ Always nice to have a favorite rifle, depends on what I'm doing which rifle I prefer for the job at hand. The .223 calibre is great for many uses, have several different rifles in this calibre. One of my favorites being a wildcat built on the 30-30 case straightened and shortened. }
---i know what a wildcat is, not a gun u sit down and put 100 rounds thru at a time for the mere expense of cartridge. and yes i understand reloads are cheaper but thats after equipment has been paid for.and with prices nowdays thats still a long time.
but tencubed must long for the good ole days cause hes quoting them now.
{ If you are referring, again, to the Hitler quote I hope you are spending some time and effort to keep this from happening again. There are some things about years past that I do miss but life in this day and age is much easier. }
--im 32 and i would like to see things again also but reality is that the past is that, the past and things will never be the same again no matter how much we try
Posted by: dosceola
yeah sorry but dont like misquotes. anyway. consider a A3 or A2 M-16 types for semi auto. u can get in variety of calibers and very dependable. 22-250 good long range gun but not good in rain or thru brush. too fast and shells are spendy. anything .223,.308 or 7.63x39 good all around shell. cut thru brush and knock down things at good range. I'd like a 50 from barret myself. it would mangle game animals but long range targets would be cool. barret just came out with a round thats stable up to 2500 yards. but i spend enough on crap as is.
Posted by: Calg
I use a Marlin model 60 .22lr. It is 40 years old(bought as a kid) and has been dragged farther than most other guns. Still a shooter. Also use a win 9422 lever .22 mag. This gun is a must for calling in game on the WMA( rifles no larger than .22 rimfire allowed) and will anchor a coyote at close range. Lots of good guns out there. GH Cal
