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Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: ZillaRider87
and my original post's meaning was do you need a gun THAT big. wouldnt a 9mm or a .45 be sufficient enough for the average citizen for protection, not carrying around a cannon. hell even a little .22 pistol is enough for most people just to feel safe.
A small, cheap gun is exactly what the average criminal is looking for. They can use it once, and toss it in the trash. A person that purchased a .50 caliber weapon isn't buying it because it's disposable.
Which is more dangerous, a person unloading a 9mm that they hardly ever shoot, or a person using one round from a .50 caliber that they have more than likely became familiar with, to stop a threat.
Posted by: Scootergptx
Would like to see where I could buy a FULL automatic rifle. (besides .50)
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: ZillaRider87
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
Would like to see where I could buy a FULL automatic rifle. (besides .50)
i dont know if many places sell them but on March 2, 2004 the assault weapon ban expired, making it legal to posses assault rifles.
The ban didn't limit the rate of fire. It has been illegal for the common person to own a fully automatic weapon for some time. You have to have a license to obtain and posses a full auto. (guess who has one smiley)
The assault ban set limits on barrel length, magazine capacity and no collapsable stock among other things. Granted I will never take my AR hunting, but in my line of business, I don't like to be told what tools I can and can't use.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: DeeDawg
Capt'n - Well said once again.
Thunderbolt - Thanks for your support!!!!hr>
Amen!
Posted by: 2TV
I saw that picture too, I can't believe that pistol was real. I just can't imagine trying to launch a 700 grain (plus or minus, depending on the type) projectile being pushed by a rapidly burning power charge of over 200 grains from a short barrel hand held weapon!
Now you can get a revolver in .500 S&W magnum which will make an entrance hole almost just as big. Even that pistol is a handful when fired though (and loud too)!
The .50 BMG rifle makes quite a "bang" when fired, and there better not be anything down range in the way of that slug that shouldn't be, because it takes an awful lot to stop it ...
Posted by: 2TV
That's kind of like saying why do you need a 500cc two stroke ATV when you can get by with a 250cc 4 stroke machine.
There are many people that own firearms not for the purpose of killing things. The .50 BMG is a very capable long range target shooter and is widely used in recreational and competition shooting. As long as they are used in an area that is appropriate for them to be used safely I see absolutely no reason for them to be regulated. They are too unweildy for use by a common criminal because it is nearly impossible to conceal a weapon that is about 5 feet long and weighs about 40 pounds plus or minus in a trench coat. Completely impractical to say the least!...
Posted by: CaptainQuint
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Originally posted by: ZillaRider87
since when have you needed a .50 cal for hunting. around here we use shotguns. not bazookas.
Zillarider87,
A couple of points.
First. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. It has a very different purpose. That purpose is to provide the people with the means to defend themselves from the oppression of the Government should it become necessary or if the occasion arises to defend their nation from foreign attack. It is not about hunting. It is not about national guard or an army or a police force. It is about the people being armed as a hedge against tyranny. It is the Amendment which secures the rest when all else fails. It keeps those in office honest because they know the people have the means to remove them from power if they abuse their position. Our forefathers knew this and wrote extensively about it. Pick up some books and read. The writings of the Federalists and Anti-Federalists, the various letters of the Founders as they wrote about the issues as they were debating the new Constitution and Bill Of Rights.
Second. I don't want this to be taken pejoratively because I don't mean it to be. You appear to be ignorant when it comes to firearms. Again, I don't mean the word ignorant in a mean way. You simply don't know what you're talking about and you're making yourself look very foolish to people who actually do. You've thrown around words like 'assault rifle' without understanding what that term means. You apparently thought the Clinton Gun Ban restricted machine guns. You apparently believe that self defense handgun choices should be based on feelings. You've tossed out buzzwords like AK-47 and bazooka and hack nanny slogans telling people what they do or do not need when it is obvious you wouldn't know even if was any of your business,which let's make it clear- it most certainly is not. (nor is it the government's by the way)
I would suggest that you go do some historical reading about the how's and why's of the nation's founding and the adoption of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and when the "living document" twisting has come about and why and for what purpose. I would also advise some study on the theory of firearms mechanics of operations and functioning if you wish to intelligently comment on the subject.
Posted by: deanz400
loss of any weapons is bad just look what happened to England and Austraila when they pulled all private weapons out of homes ,,
Home invasions went up like a 100% because the crimanals new no body had any protection .in there home ,and in Austraila the same thing ,also Kangaroos are varmites down under and there population just exploded ,
Posted by: tencubed
The .50 BMG in a rifle is very loud. If you ever have a chance to fire one be sure to wear ear plugs and muffs. Some of the rifles have a muzzle brake that causes a lot of the blast to come back at the shooter and those standing to either side. If you are going to be within 40 or 50 feet when the rifle is fired wear at least quality shooting muffs.
Any of the .50 cal handguns I have seen are way to big for most personal defense weapon carry uses IMO. Reason for this is the ripping recoil and muzzle blast. Kind of like having your hand smashed if you don't have a proper grip and are really ready for the recoil. At night the muzzle flash is going to take away your night vision and the blast is going to shock your ears and distract you. Not saying the .50's don't have a place in the shooting scene. As a carry weapon for fishermen or people working in the woods where large bears are present they would give a sense of security at least and may save your life. Worse part would be practicing to a reasonable level of proficiency with one of these hand cannons. After sending a few rounds downrange from a friends I think I need one.
Posted by: Thunderbolt
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Originally posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: ZillaRider87
whats the big deal? do you honestly need a 50 cal gun for anything? its made for one thing and one thing only, kill things, carrying a .50 hand gun for personal protection is overkill and just plain stupid. unless your planning on shooting through cars and stuff then do you need a gun that big. but then again thats just my opinion.
Why do we have the gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87!
You cannot control a terrorists methods of acquiring any guns like this with these laws, can you?hr>
I agree 100% with squeege!!! How many murders and robberies alone would it stop if they took all our guns away ?? NONE !! That's right NONE !! because the people committing the crimes are not going into a store and buying the guns. They are abtained illegally in the first place and used in a crime so what would they care if a gun is banned. The only thing banning a .50 cal. or any other firearm would do is leave the honest law abiding families and sportsman unprotected while the criminals go unscathed because nobody is allowed to have a firearm to protect themselves. Also letting the anti's ban any form of firearm just opens the door for them to banning the next and the next and pretty soon we have a total ban. I will give up my guns when they pry my cold dead fingers from around them !! Men fought and died for our constitutional right to keep and bear arms and I won't give that up without fighting for it.
Nuff said.
Posted by: Thunderbolt
Do you really think that banning all guns that they would disapear and only people that can make their own would have one ?? I assure you that the criminals aren't going to be turning in their guns when they get banned. The full auto firearms that some criminals have are already banned and the only ones that have them are the criminals. Banning any firearm from the average citizen is not going to make the streets or anywhere else any safer than they already are. As far as I am concerned as long as you are trained on when and when not to draw or use a a firearm you should be able to conceal and carry. To me that would deter more criminals because they wouldn't know if you were carring or not and most of them don't want to be shot any more than you or I do. Most murders and such are done with small caliber handguns not larger ones. The most common areound here are probably the .22 and the 9mm, but banning them would be no good. If we start letting them ban this and that we might as well start calling our leaders dictators instead of Democrats and Republicans. I can't believe some people are willing to give up the very things men fought and died to establish and protect. For everything we let get banned it is just letting them one step closer to banning something else and I for one am tired of it. for all the anti's that may read this GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE !! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE !!
I am not trying to be an Ahole, but I get worked up with someone always trying to ban something whether it be firearms , atv's smoking or what not. If the citizens don't get a say that is plain flat out dictatorship and not democracy. The caliber of the firearm is irelevant. As long as I am using it for its intended purpose what is the difference. A criminal can get pretty much any firearm they want whether we ban it or not so the only ones getting the shaft are you and me. All I am trying to say is that banning any firearm is only protected the criminals. Around here they banned smoking in public places such as bars and the owners of the bars are furious. To me that is dictatorship and the guy that owns the bar gets forced to honor it. Why don't the non smokers go somewhere else ?? It should be the bar owners choice who he wants to cater to. It is the same with the firearms. Someone gets shot and killed by a gang banger and for some reason it is the firearms fault so they want to ban them. Couldn't be that the kid carrying had a troubled life and grew up around gangs. Sorry to rant.
Posted by: Thunderbolt
DeeDawg, I see you were in the military. Thanks for doing what you do to keep us all safe. You and all the others who serve make me pround to be an American.
Also thank you for all our rights that you fight to protect, Like The Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I think people forget that most of the things we take for granted were fought for and men died for those rights including the right to free speech. It is amazing how some are willing to throw some of them away, but they sure want to keep the free speech. I am not pointing any fingers on here, but in the government and elsewhere. Again Thanks for serving this great country.
Posted by: pwillie
The old radio aerials off of 50's model cars were perfect for 22 cal. zip guns.....Saturday nite specials are the premo weapons of crooks,cheap and a throw away....45 acp is my choice for a side arm...30-378 Weatherby is a real long range rifle,and the Norma ammo cost 5.00 a pop..Used on Elk and deer up to 1000 yds....
Posted by: pwillie
You can buy all the fifty cal. you want....in black powder rifles.....they just don't shoot as far....Sharps and a few others make 50 cal. mini balls.....
Posted by: pwillie
You can buy a fully automatic rifle,but you must buy a license for each auto,and I think the bill is about 1500.00 to 2000.00 per rifle.You have to get it from the Feds. An AR 16 is a full auto.So is a Browning,and an Uzi.... Ingram...H&K.....The rifles usually cost 1500.00 to 5000.00 depending on what you buy+ the license fee... this may have changed in the last few years....I have shot full auto,and its not for me in this country.At some point the NRA has got to step up and set limits before our govt. does. Its better to police ourselves than let the feds do it for us......Prohibition anyone?
Posted by: pwillie
The big question is,who has the right to dictate policy of your own thoughts.Other than yourself........Next,knives will be outlawed.....then books,then sex..etc.etc.
Posted by: pwillie
Sex is a fact. You can't hide the facts today,not with all the open books that are being displayed. Education is the only thing that will save posterity.Parental guidance will have to take precedence over T.V raising your kids. When my son was growing up, I did not allow him to watch TV ,accept on the week ends...no exceptions....Guess what? He read lots of books! He still reads books today.I also answered all my sons questions about sex.Being a parent in todays world is very diffilcult, I am glad I don't have that task any longer.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
whats the big deal? do you honestly need a 50 cal gun for anything? its made for one thing and one thing only, kill things, carrying a .50 hand gun for personal protection is overkill and just plain stupid. unless your planning on shooting through cars and stuff then do you need a gun that big. but then again thats just my opinion.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
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Originally posted by: Thunderbolt
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Originally posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: ZillaRider87
whats the big deal? do you honestly need a 50 cal gun for anything? its made for one thing and one thing only, kill things, carrying a .50 hand gun for personal protection is overkill and just plain stupid. unless your planning on shooting through cars and stuff then do you need a gun that big. but then again thats just my opinion.
Why do we have the gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87!
You cannot control a terrorists methods of acquiring any guns like this with these laws, can you?hr>
I agree 100% with squeege!!! How many murders and robberies alone would it stop if they took all our guns away ?? NONE !! That's right NONE !! because the people committing the crimes are not going into a store and buying the guns. They are abtained illegally in the first place and used in a crime so what would they care if a gun is banned.
well if they took all of the guns away, how would there be illegal firearms to obtain since there wouldnt be any....... unless criminals are smart enough to manufacture there own.
and my original post's meaning was do you need a gun THAT big. wouldnt a 9mm or a .45 be sufficient enough for the average citizen for protection, not carrying around a cannon. hell even a little .22 pistol is enough for most people just to feel safe.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
DeeDawg, why must you call me a moron, does it make you feel better about yourself? am i not entitled to my opinion? i guess not. and also, when did i say ANYTHING about the bill stopping crime? i didnt. i just dont see the actual NEED for a citizen to purchase a .50 caliber gun. i guess you dont mind that now anyone within reason can go and buy an AK47 LEGALLY? or even any other full automatic rifle? now can you tell me what anyone actuallys NEEDS a full automatic rifle for? same idea just different gun.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
Would like to see where I could buy a FULL automatic rifle. (besides .50)
i dont know if many places sell them but on March 2, 2004 the assault weapon ban expired, making it legal to posses assault rifles.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
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Originally posted by: squeege
ZillaRider87,
Why do we have the gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87!
im not saying we dont have the right to bear arms. but some people take it over board. i just dont see the need for such a large gun for personal use. its somthing the Military would use.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
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Originally posted by: squeege
There are other countries who share you view....so do us a favor and find one
whatever, there's no sense in stating my opinion. i guess since i dont agree with you im wrong eh. typical.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
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Originally posted by: squeege
You don't completely agree with this ?
The United States Bill of Rights consists of the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. These amendments limit the powers of the federal government, protecting the rights of all citizens, residents and visitors on United States territory. Among the enumerated rights these amendments guarantee are the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the freedom of assembly, the free exercise of religion, the freedom to petition, the people's right to keep and bear arms, and the rights to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, cruel and unusual punishment, and compelled self-incrimination. The Bill of Rights also restricts Congress's power by prohibiting it from making any law respecting establishment of religion and by prohibiting the federal government from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. In criminal cases, it requires indictment by grand jury for any capital or "infamous crime," guarantees a speedy public trial with an impartial and local jury, and prohibits double jeopardy. In addition, the Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,"[1] and reserves all powers not granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States.
These amendments came into effect on December 15, 1791, when ratified by three-fourths of the States. Most were applied to the states by a series of decisions applying the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was adopted after the American Civil War.
Initially drafted by James Madison in 1789, the Bill of Rights was written at a time when ideological conflict between Federalists and anti-Federalists, dating from the Philadelphia Convention in 1787, threatened the Constitution's ratification. The Bill was influenced by George Mason's 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights, the 1689 English Bill of Rights, works of the Age of Enlightenment pertaining to natural rights, and earlier English political documents such as the Magna Carta (1215). The Bill was largely a response to the Constitution's influential opponents, including prominent Founding Fathers, who argued that it failed to protect the basic principles of human liberty.
The Bill of Rights plays a central role in American law and government, and remains a fundamental symbol of the freedoms and culture of the nation. One of the original fourteen copies of the Bill of Rights is on public display at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
The original document proposed by Congress actually contained twelve "Articles" of proposed amendment. However, only the third through twelfth articles, corresponding to what became the First through Tenth Amendments to the Constitution, were ratified by the required number of states by 1791. The first Article, dealing with the number and apportionment of members of the House of Representatives, never became part of the Constitution. The second Article, limiting the ability of Congress to increase the salaries of its members, was ratified two centuries later as the 27th Amendment. The term "Bill of Rights" has traditionally meant only the ten amendments that became part of the Constitution in 1791, and not the first two, which dealt with Congress itself rather than the rights of the people. That traditional usage has continued even since the ratification of the 27th Amendment.
that is not the point. are they denying you the right to bears arms? no they are not. you can still bear arms. i guess you didnt read it yourself. nice try though.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
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Originally posted by: squeege
I guess so long as I can own a pea shooter, I have to ground to complain in your book.........
What is the reason for our gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87
Just personal protection or hunting?
since when have you needed a .50 cal for hunting. around here we use shotguns. not bazookas.
Posted by: ZillaRider87
theres no point in arguing about this, im done.
Posted by: DeeDawg
Originally posted by ZillaRider87: whats the big deal? do you honestly need a 50 cal gun for anything? its made for one thing and one thing only, kill things, carrying a .50 hand gun for personal protection is overkill and just plain stupid. unless your planning on shooting through cars and stuff then do you need a gun that big. but then again thats just my opinion.
zilla, you are a moron. This has nothing to do with stopping crime, and everything to do with taking away our Constitutional Rights. Had you the intellectual capability required to comprehend the true purpose behind this bill and others like it you have been known that this is just one more chip at living free. Banning the .50 cal is not about taking away the guns used by criminals, which 99.9999% of the time is small, cheap throwaways. This is about taking away rights from the average citizen. Criminals do not use guns like the .50 cal Barrett, which is 48 inches long, weight 31 pounds, and costs over $8,000. The Desert Eagle .50 weights more than six pounds empty, is eleven inches long and costs over $1300. Another reason the DS .50 is not used by criminals (who are notoriously poor shooters) is because it only holds seven rounds.
QUOTE: There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Unknown.
Posted by: DeeDawg
Originally posted by ZillaRider87: DeeDawg, why must you call me a moron
Just stating a fact.
Originally posted by ZillaRider87: i just dont see the actual NEED for a citizen to purchase a .50 caliber gun. i guess you dont mind that now anyone within reason can go and buy an AK47 LEGALLY? or even any other full automatic rifle? now can you tell me what anyone actuallys NEEDS a full automatic rifle for? same idea just different gun.
I never said anything about fully automatic weapons, but lets take it to the next step:
Nobody NEEDS an ATV, so lets outlaw them. Plus they are loud and they are destroying the planet.
Nobody NEEDS a Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, so lets outlaw them and make criminals of any current owners. Everyone should drive electric golf carts.
Nobody NEEDS a house. Everyone should live in an commune.
Nobody NEEDS more than X amount of money. Everyone should make the same regardless of ability.
Algore doesn't NEED four houses.
John Edwards doesn't NEED a 30,000 square foot house.
How far do you want to go? Who is going to decide on what you "NEED" and what you are ALLOWED to have?
Posted by: DeeDawg
Capt'n - Well said once again.
Thunderbolt - Thanks for your support!!!!
Posted by: DeeDawg
Originally posted by pwillie: The big question is,who has the right to dictate policy of your own thoughts.Other than yourself........Next,knives will be outlawed.....then books,then sex..etc.etc.
I partially agree; our far more left leaning friends like the Brits are attempting to "register" knives, and of course all types of media are already being assaulted - primarily the internet. Sex however, is getting to be TOO open. In Europe there are already politicians running on the equivalent of NAMBLA (North America Man Boy Love Association). TV is all about SEX, even in cartoons for small children all females are large breasted and narrow-waisted. Look in any magazine designed for teenage girls (and even younger) and nearly every photo has a girl draped across or hanging off a guy.
Posted by: DeeDawg
Originally posted by shrapmetal: sorry to dig up a month old thread but if you care about your gun right's check out bill HR1022. it takes away every gun that was ever based on a military or police design. please call your congressman to put a stop to this. as for 50's they have been under attack for years. i own one and it is a ton of fun to shoot. as for hunting show me a coyote at over 500yds and it will be the gun i choose. i am really new to the ATV seen but not to guns and am a little disturbed to see the lack of knowledge on a non gun site. i find it hard to belive that people think the assualt weapon banned stopped full auto weapons from being sold. or that you could buy one for $2000. a civilian transferable M16 is around $12,000. i have the cheapest full auto you can own and it's worth $4200. for those of us that love our rights it's time to inform the people around us of the truth and not what the media tells us. i can not belive how ill informed the majority of our country men are. men and women have been giving their lives for this since the birth of our great country. lets not let our rights get stolen away right under our noses due to our ignorance.
It really is true that people have no clue on this subject. Here in SoCal I really get strange looks when I talk about hunting or shooting. I shoot trap & skeet nearly every week, so I buy my ammo in bulk. You should see the looks I get when I buy 1,000 rounds of ammo at walmart!!!
QUOTE FOR TODAY:
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." --Adolph Hitler, 1935
Posted by: squeege
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Anybody who thinks a law will keep these guns out of the hands of a terrorist has their head up their @ss
This is none other than an assault on our freedoms
Posted by: squeege
No, but If I get a revolver this year it may be a 50 Cal...........Yes they make them BR>
The ammo can be a little pricey
Posted by: squeege
Gander Mountain carries the 50cal desert eagle, but not sure about the revolvers
Posted by: squeege
No, but I wouldn't mind owning one ( rifle )
Posted by: squeege
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Originally posted by: ZillaRider87
whats the big deal? do you honestly need a 50 cal gun for anything? its made for one thing and one thing only, kill things, carrying a .50 hand gun for personal protection is overkill and just plain stupid. unless your planning on shooting through cars and stuff then do you need a gun that big. but then again thats just my opinion.
Why do we have the gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87!
You cannot control a terrorists methods of acquiring any guns like this with these laws, can you?
Posted by: squeege
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whats the big deal? do you honestly need a 50 cal gun for anything? its made for one thing and one thing only, kill things, carrying a .50 hand gun for personal protection is overkill and just plain stupid. unless your planning on shooting through cars and stuff then do you need a gun that big. but then again thats just my opinion.
Why do we have the gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87!
You cannot control a terrorists methods of acquiring any guns like this with these laws, can you?hr>
I agree 100% with squeege!!! How many murders and robberies alone would it stop if they took all our guns away ?? NONE !! That's right NONE !! because the people committing the crimes are not going into a store and buying the guns. They are abtained illegally in the first place and used in a crime so what would they care if a gun is banned.
well if they took all of the guns away, how would there be illegal firearms to obtain since there wouldnt be any....... unless criminals are smart enough to manufacture there own.
and my original post's meaning was do you need a gun THAT big. wouldnt a 9mm or a .45 be sufficient enough for the average citizen for protection, not carrying around a cannon. hell even a little .22 pistol is enough for most people just to feel safe.
Funny you say that, Years ago.....I had a schoolmate build his own "zip gun"(yes people will build there own) cause he was gonna be in a fight over a girl in school.....he was shot in the head at school with one of his own guns a week later....shocker for our small town
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The real "SHOCKER" was that the "zip gun' was built during class in our metal shop in the school.......
Laws don't stop criminals from obtaining SH!T
Posted by: squeege
ZillaRider87,
Why do we have the gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87!
Posted by: squeege
There are other countries who share you view....so do us a favor and find one
Posted by: squeege
You don't completely agree with this ?
The United States Bill of Rights consists of the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. These amendments limit the powers of the federal government, protecting the rights of all citizens, residents and visitors on United States territory. Among the enumerated rights these amendments guarantee are the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the freedom of assembly, the free exercise of religion, the freedom to petition, the people's right to keep and bear arms, and the rights to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, cruel and unusual punishment, and compelled self-incrimination. The Bill of Rights also restricts Congress's power by prohibiting it from making any law respecting establishment of religion and by prohibiting the federal government from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. In criminal cases, it requires indictment by grand jury for any capital or "infamous crime," guarantees a speedy public trial with an impartial and local jury, and prohibits double jeopardy. In addition, the Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,"[1] and reserves all powers not granted to the Federal government to the citizenry or States.
These amendments came into effect on December 15, 1791, when ratified by three-fourths of the States. Most were applied to the states by a series of decisions applying the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was adopted after the American Civil War.
Initially drafted by James Madison in 1789, the Bill of Rights was written at a time when ideological conflict between Federalists and anti-Federalists, dating from the Philadelphia Convention in 1787, threatened the Constitution's ratification. The Bill was influenced by George Mason's 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights, the 1689 English Bill of Rights, works of the Age of Enlightenment pertaining to natural rights, and earlier English political documents such as the Magna Carta (1215). The Bill was largely a response to the Constitution's influential opponents, including prominent Founding Fathers, who argued that it failed to protect the basic principles of human liberty.
The Bill of Rights plays a central role in American law and government, and remains a fundamental symbol of the freedoms and culture of the nation. One of the original fourteen copies of the Bill of Rights is on public display at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
The original document proposed by Congress actually contained twelve "Articles" of proposed amendment. However, only the third through twelfth articles, corresponding to what became the First through Tenth Amendments to the Constitution, were ratified by the required number of states by 1791. The first Article, dealing with the number and apportionment of members of the House of Representatives, never became part of the Constitution. The second Article, limiting the ability of Congress to increase the salaries of its members, was ratified two centuries later as the 27th Amendment. The term "Bill of Rights" has traditionally meant only the ten amendments that became part of the Constitution in 1791, and not the first two, which dealt with Congress itself rather than the rights of the people. That traditional usage has continued even since the ratification of the 27th Amendment.
Posted by: squeege
I guess so long as I can own a pea shooter, I have to ground to complain in your book.........
What is the reason for our gun rights in our country! Answer me that ZillaRider87
Just personal protection or hunting?
Posted by: squeege
It would have been stated in the bill of rights "for sole purpose of hunting/target practice/personl protection" if they followed your flawed logic
Posted by: squeege
It doesn't matter if even 70% of the U.S. agrees with you and your squat to pee buddies, the bill of rights is not to be messed with........EVER
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HHMMmmm,
Anybody see this neat video yet? BR>
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found it here
Posted by: squeege
Check out your feb. 2007 issue of field and stream for those who have no idea what a 50 Cal is.
Posted by: toehanus
N.J. wants to ban a gun? Now that's shocking.
Posted by: outside2day
Agree with you squeege, I still haven't heard of crimes committed with these itty bitty, convenient-to-carry guns. You have any experience with them?
Posted by: outside2day
I haven't kept up on that stuff in a while, kids, work, etc. But I think I recall seeing a pistol or 2 few yrs ago. Who makes it/them? On the surplus ammo, if I remember right, you could get for around $1-$1.25 a round. Again, this has been a while. That is still cheaper than a lot of the high power rounds out today! A pistol would definitely be a handful.
Posted by: outside2day
I assumed that article was referring to the .50 BMG, even though they don't state. Are you looking at a pistol in that .50 BMG caliber squeege? The .50 Desert Eagle I have never shot, but told a handful. Nice gun.
Posted by: outside2day
Or like saying do you really need to mod your 4 whlr? Why? Faster? Why? More power? Wastes fuel doesn't it? Still America, buy what you want. And do what you want within reason, law. 80cc with gearing can move us all around the trail. Not too many would want that, not as fun. Or tell a Grizzly guide he can't carry a .50 cal self defense gun. It's his life he's protecting.
Posted by: DVXDUDE
lol can you fire that with one hand? or would you break your nose trying? lol
Posted by: shrapmetal
sorry to dig up a month old thread but if you care about your gun right's check out bill HR1022. it takes away every gun that was ever based on a military or police design. please call your congressman to put a stop to this. as for 50's they have been under attack for years. i own one and it is a ton of fun to shoot. as for hunting show me a coyote at over 500yds and it will be the gun i choose. i am really new to the ATV seen but not to guns and am a little disturbed to see the lack of knowledge on a non gun site. i find it hard to belive that people think the assualt weapon banned stopped full auto weapons from being sold. or that you could buy one for $2000. a civilian transferable M16 is around $12,000. i have the cheapest full auto you can own and it's worth $4200. for those of us that love our rights it's time to inform the people around us of the truth and not what the media tells us. i can not belive how ill informed the majority of our country men are. men and women have been giving their lives for this since the birth of our great country. lets not let our rights get stolen away right under our noses due to our ignorance.
