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Posted by: upnort
You must live in town. Otherwise nothing beats a 22. Cheap-multiple shots-hollow points. Went on a chipper killing rampage last summer after they ticked me off. I saw the gamo ones here couple months ago my mom lives in town & is having trouble with squirrels so can't use 22. After doing some research on google learned that a .22 has more knock down power as opposed to the .177 which has more velocity. I have a crossman 760 now but is rather underpowered & not very accurate. Also found that a regular rifle scope will differ from an airgun scope due to the recoil being in opposite directions.
http://www.airgundepot.com/index.html is pretty informative. Has list for small varmits & larger. Can do a google search for hunting airguns that will keep you busy for a while and will learn alot about them on all the different sites.
Posted by: upnort
I see also in my research that they recomend the conical shaped end pellets. I guess better penetration & less wind drag.
Posted by: upnort
Thing with a hi velocity small caliber is that it can pass right through the target. The quary will eventualy die but I prefer to not inflict undue suffering, unless you hit a vital part. You don't get the shock of the larger caliber. Granted the .177 will have more range but most likely one will be shooting shorter distance. Not trying to start anything here just inputing my .02.
Posted by: upnort
MN let us know how the new pea shooter works out Kinda in the market for one myself for some lil rodents at my moms in town.
Posted by: okiedude
Benjamin Air rifles I got my first benjamin over 20 yrs ago. Not very high end, but for the money I think they are good. I bought my sons one. Didnt really know that they where owned by Crossman.
Posted by: MnTurboPaws
..I've been researching information to buy a "Good" pellet gun....seems to be a lot of companys out there..crossman, etc..so far I see "Gamo" makes a pretty good one..the CFX model I believe..around $200.00. I need to get rid of the chip monks and small red squirrels..I want to buy the right one once..I had a daisy, and it only lasted a year before it lost pressure...any advice?? thanks in advance...
Posted by: MnTurboPaws
..thanks for the reponse, and web site link..actually No I don't live in town..our cabin is between Deadwood and Sturgis south dakota...and about a mile in the forest...yes the .22 would be nice, but I'd like to stay with the air rifle ... just for a number of reasons...including a tree hugger way up the hill, that cannot understand why anyone would kill any kind of animal..lol
these are rodents in my book, and can really destroy a building once they get into it...
I saw first hand a rancher who had a large "Hay shed" completly taken over by racoons after they got into the attic insulattion, and inner walls..(he had these large round hay bails stacked up in the rear, and left the attic access door open for ventalation ).cost him near $9,000.00 to replace the insulation and pull the steel outside panels off..the coons removed the wall insulation and made a huge nest in the attic..How he discovered it was, he notice his machine work shop ( on the other end ) was harder and harder to heat each winter, because the coons were removing the wall insulation..finally he went up in his attic and was shocked to say the least...[he guess'es about 2 dozen coon's were living there.)...his ranch was near a creek where the 'coons made a nice fort in his attic..I might even use the gun for an occasional rattle snake..lol..thanks again
Posted by: MnTurboPaws
...WOW these are all really good tips and information..!! I really like the Gamo "viper", and might order that one later in the year, and a 2nd one....I still wonder what kind of sound these make when shooting?...... I stopped at "Gander mt" and held some in my hands...very interesting..where some of these are made...I believe the gamo are made in "Spain"..winchester is made in USA...many different countrys... I have to say the web site link upnorth gave out http://www.airgundepot.com/index.html has some reasonable prices... I spoke with one of the sales person from there today.. I need to buy two !! lol one .22 and one for .177 lol ..they said in a couple of months, one mfg is coming out with a gun that comes with two barrels..one for .22 and one for .177 .. but I cant wait that long..so my choice ..after much research .. and the fact I want to be humane..( and because its on sale ..is going to be the RWS 34 ... in the .22 cal...on sale for $219.90 .. list for $390.00.on their web site.....I will upgrade the scope to a BSA high grade model..( think it was a 3/12/44 ?? ) and order it tuesday..I was suprised the RWS is made in Germany..it sure had smoooth action, when you open and close the barrel....!!. I really would like to thank all of you who took the time and responded..it was a great learning experience in the short time I posted..any tips and suggestions are still welcome and encourged..lol hey captian quint..I remember you from a couple years ago, when these boards were really "Heated" about the KQ 700 reverse issue..you were one of the more common sence, logic poster..lol ..thanks again and keep the tips,suggestions, advice coming !!
Posted by: MnTurboPaws
**Or BB Caps, CB Caps or Shorts for that matter. **
..thats "Greek" to me ?? I'll check into what that is..My new RWS 34 is being UPS'ed slow mail..should have it be the 21st..they said.. there are several choice's of pellets to use..seems like the one with a "Point" in the front would be the choice..
I'm finding web sites with great tips and test on guns.. heres another one:
http://pyramydair.com/site/articles/
AND HERE
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ArticlesIndex.asp
Posted by: CaptainQuint
I've had excellent luck with Gamo air rifles in this price range. I have one of their .22 models that is surprisingly accurate. Came with a decent scope and it hits hard enough to kill vermin like rabbits and squirrels. I've had RWS rifles before but they were pretty pricey as I recall. I think I paid like 200 or 250 for the Gamo I have which came with a decent high power airgun scope. It's a .22 cal. Of course if you really want to have fun for the same price you can pick up a fully automatic bb machine pistol for the same price. Not an airsoft but a real bb throwing machine pistol that runs on CO2 cartridges and AA batteries.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
They're also making pellets out of special alloys now which they claim will give you higher velocities. I have no clue how well they work though.
I know the Gamo hunter package I had could kill rabbits in an in-town setting (which is why I was forced to use a it) at two city lot distances. I could "snipe" them from deep inside the house to contain the noise on the interior of the house through an open window while the only sound outside was the crack of Mr. Bunny Rabbit's skull. Kept the neighbors oblivious to the slaughter of dozens of rabbits that were menacing a vegetable garden.
What was mentioned about scopes is important. Never use a conventional rifle scope on an airgun. The recoil of an airgun will destroy even the most high dollar rifle scope as a result of their odd recoil forces. They require a specially constructed scope that is designed for the peculiar recoil that is produced by airguns.
The two things I look for in an air rifle are accuracy and knockdown power. In air rifles you need to put that little tiny pellet exactly where you want it every time. The reason I like .22s is that they deliver more of a chunk of lead downrange. I found with my .177 rifles that even with their higher velocities they didn't deliver the knockdowns that the larder.22 pellets did. When I stepped up to .22 I started dropping vermin with authority. No more multiple shot kills.
I know with my set up which had a 3x12 scope I had made a trip to the range and figured out the drop at various ranges. Then when I came back home I could use my laser range finder at the various locations where I was killing rabbits from my little "sniper hides" in the house and almost guarantee kills and even headshots out to every corner of the property. As a bonus it improved my marksmanship skills with regular rifles and put food on the table.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
Okiedude I grew up Benjamin Sheridan air rifles. I had a Sheridan Blue Streak air rifle growing up that I probably shot thousands of squirrels and rabbits with. It was my constant companion as a little boy. It probably helped my marksmanship since it took so blasted long to load. My friends had more rapid fire bb guns and pellet rifles so that left me pumping for dear life with my Sheridan which due to it's pneumatic nature got quite difficult to pump with after the first couple of pumps. On the plus side it was more powerful and accurate than anyone else's. I became the'designated sniper' of our little neighborhood bb gun fire team if you will. We were deadly on the rat population at the dump and terrorized the whatever game was in season. I was always bringing home something for the pot that I'd slaughtered with my Sheridan. Took those oddball .20 cal or 5 mm pellets which could be terribly difficult to find. I think they have modified those Benjamin/Sheridan rifles to take scopes now. Mine was good old iron sights.
Oh, and MnTurboPaws check the triggers on those rifles if you can. Some of the triggers on those air rifles can be truly horrid. The one on my RWS was good and the one on the Gamo is fairly good and it is also adjustable.
Posted by: CaptainQuint
Those rounds get really quiet when shot through a long barrel rifle bolt action. I've shot some subsonic .22 loads through my Remington 513T matchmaster target rifle. It's an extremely accurate bolt action target rifle that has a very heavy barrel that is quite long and it seems to really quiet the round down. It was much quieter than it was in my shorter stock barrel Ruger 10/22 or 10/22s with aftermarket barrels plus you didn't have the clatter of the action.
By the way, if you find .22 ammo that your rifle really shoots well with check the lot numbers and buy several thousand rounds of it. For some reason the stuff is quite variable in manufacturing tolerances or something. A round that once shot well in my match rifle for several years will suddenly start giving me inconsistent groups. I can take the same ammo from an older lot and get good groups.
Posted by: tencubed
You might want to take a look at the Cabella's web site. They have a good selection of air rifles at reasonable prices.
The 22 cal pellet does leave a larger wound channel but also looses velocity a lot quicker than the .177 pellet. I have experienced better accuracy with the .177s and believe that of the two calibers for small game outside the .177 is the better choice overall. Just my opinion and probably not shared by many others.
As mentioned, be sure to use an air rifle scope as a standard 22 scope usually will not last very long on an air rifle.
Quality pellets are a must to achieve good accuracy. Not all rifles from the same maker shoot the same pellets well, experiment with different brands and tip shapes to find what your rifle likes. Many times a rifle shoots an "inferior" brand plenty accurate for hunting but not well enough for real cut throat target work.
Posted by: tencubed
CQ makes a good point about the heavier weight of the 22 pellet. At the ranges he is shooting I would not be surprised to find this the case and believe his experience should be strongly considered. With game the size of rabbits, which I would consider to be about maximum for an air rifle, I would probably want the 22 pellet as well.
For small squirrels and chipmonks at close range I still would prefer the higher velocity and accuracy of the 177. Just my opinion and personal preference.
Posted by: tencubed
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Originally posted by: CobraR6
Ever thought of getting some sub-sonics for a .22lr? They are quiet and would get rid of your chipmonk and squirrels pretty easy.
Or BB Caps, CB Caps or Shorts for that matter.
Posted by: tencubed
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Originally posted by: Jamie660r
I shoot a bullet called Aguila Super Colibri In my .22. It has no gun powder in it.It shoots With a real strong primer These bullets shoot around 600FPS It makes almost no sound.My pellet gun is actually louder. My ruger .22 only costs around 100.While decent pellet guns are around 200 and up.
As for cb bb's and cb shorts they are bullets made by CCI for the .22. I also shoot the CCI cb long,Its a little louder but still quiet for a .22. It shoots around 1000fps
Yup, if you look around there are other brands of the low velocity 22 ammo available as well. CCI stuff shoots well in most rifles and pistols. IIRC the CB was the first of the 22 rimfires followed by the very "powerful" short. Also still available, at least the last time I checked, is the CB gallery short which is a CB loaded with a sintered lead bullet that simply falls apart when it hits something.
Some areas, check your laws, allow air rifles and pistols but will not allow the firing of a powder burner.
Posted by: prostreetcamaro
I find it funny nobody here has mentioned the best air rifles on the market today. RWS makes the best, hardest shooting, most accurate air rifles. They are german made and have been around a long time. I persoanly have the RWS Model 34 in .177 caliber rated at 1,000fps and its nothing to take a squirel out at 60 to 70 yards. I dont hunt with mine though. Thats what my Benelli 12 guage is for. My friend has a 1,000fps Gamo that shoots ok but it is over rated at 1,000fps (doesnt shoot as hard as my 1,000fps RWS) and it isnt as accurate as my RWS.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/prostreetcamaro/RWSmodel34.jpg
Posted by: CobraR6
Ever thought of getting some sub-sonics for a .22lr? They are quiet and would get rid of your chipmonk and squirrels pretty easy.
Posted by: Dearlh
ast time the Cummins tool truckload sale came through town, I picked up one of those "chinese" single shot pellet rifles for $19.99. Something like 850 fps. One pump on the lever, one shot. Seems to do the trick on my backyard gophers! Check them out!
Posted by: sandpit
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Originally posted by: jvanhare
A Crossman 760 is under $30.00 if you don't mind the pumping, it has plenty of power to take down your "prey" hr>
Excellant choice.
Posted by: jvanhare
A Crossman 760 is under $30.00 if you don't mind the pumping, it has plenty of power to take down your "prey"
Posted by: Jamie660r
I shoot a bullet called Aguila Super Colibri In my .22. It has no gun powder in it.It shoots With a real strong primer These bullets shoot around 600FPS It makes almost no sound.My pellet gun is actually louder. My ruger .22 only costs around 100.While decent pellet guns are around 200 and up.
As for cb bb's and cb shorts they are bullets made by CCI for the .22. I also shoot the CCI cb long,Its a little louder but still quiet for a .22. It shoots around 1000fps
