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Posted by: duneittilludie
Quite a while back there was some discussion on this new ammunition but very little if any feed back on how it actually works but i found out today.I had a late season tag that i was using on one of our rivers and i filled it this morning with a 3 point Blacktail and he dropped right where he stood.I have used many different calibers of high powered rifles and also blackpowder rifles as well as handguns to take deer and although the 30-30 is no powerhouse this ammunition performed very well this morning.My shot was about 70 yards and i was drifting the river watching the bank when i saw the 3 point and the good part is he fell at the shot but the bad thing is he fell into swift high water and it took almost a half mile to pull him out as he floated downriver.My shot entered the left shoulder and passed through completely to the other side and exited with a very good wound channel.My first try at pulling my deer out of the river and into my boat resulted in my pulling one of his horns off(it is that time of year)my second try i pulled the other horn off which i was able to keep but the first one went into the river.Finally i was able to pull along side him and get a rope around his neck and pull him into the boat while drifting down some fast water.As i write this it sounds pretty comical but actually with the temperature at about 20 degrees at the time and high water i feel fortunate to have retrieved my deer without getting wet.This post got a little long but the bottom line is from what i saw this morning the 30-30 Leverevolution works as advertised.
Posted by: duneittilludie
tencubed i agree that bullet placement is always the biggest factor in harvesting your animal with efficiency but still i am very pleased and impressed with the performance i got.You are correct that this could have gone either way.I was lucky.
Posted by: duneittilludie
My 30-30 is a 1954(i think) Marlin 336 and it is very accurate.I study ballistics quite a bit and on paper 30-30 ammunition in any configuration does not look impressive but the few deer i have shot with it have expired in a hurry.Shady Rascal she will get over it,my better half always does.I just purchased another gun for the collection this last weekend.I bought a Ruger Super Redhawk in 44 mag with a 9 1/2 " barrel and a 2 x Nikon scope for deer hunting.I enjoy shooting my deer with a handgun more than anything with the exception of maybe my T/C blackpowder rifle.Anyone else handgun hunt and if so with what caliber?
Posted by: duneittilludie
Very nice buck newbruterider.The Leverevolution is probably better for a caliber like the 30-30 that suffers from energy as opposed to your 45-70.I am not usually impressed with ammunition and its effects but the through and through shot on this 3 point was much better than what i have seen in the past from a 30-30 and with very minimal tissue damage.I almost always load my own but the Leverolution and its pointed soft tip bullet are superior to what i can handload for velocity and downrange ebergy so in this case off the shelf ammunition was a good thing.
Posted by: ShadyRascal
Oh great, thanks a lot Dune. Now I have to go out and buy a 30-30. You cost me some bucks with all this lever action this, and lever action that. I'm having my wife call you for some explanation when I come home with some pre 64 model 94 because it's all your fault. Thanks a lot. Probably get chewed out and everything.
Posted by: ShadyRascal
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Originally posted by: duneittilludie
.Anyone else handgun hunt and if so with what caliber?
Shot a whitetail buck in the 05 season with my Ruger Super Blackhawk 3 screw 7.5" 44 mag. About 25 yards, iron sights, entry and exit holes, he ran very little and wadded up. That 44 really did the job. Love the handguns, might shoot another deer that way this coming year.
Posted by: tencubed
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Originally posted by: duneittilludie
Quite a while back there was some discussion on this new ammunition but very little if any feed back on how it actually works but i found out today.I had a late season tag that i was using on one of our rivers and i filled it this morning with a 3 point Blacktail and he dropped right where he stood.I have used many different calibers of high powered rifles and also blackpowder rifles as well as handguns to take deer and although the 30-30 is no powerhouse this ammunition performed very well this morning.My shot was about 70 yards and i was drifting the river watching the bank when i saw the 3 point and the good part is he fell at the shot but the bad thing is he fell into swift high water and it took almost a half mile to pull him out as he floated downriver.My shot entered the left shoulder and passed through completely to the other side and exited with a very good wound channel.My first try at pulling my deer out of the river and into my boat resulted in my pulling one of his horns off(it is that time of year)my second try i pulled the other horn off which i was able to keep but the first one went into the river.Finally i was able to pull along side him and get a rope around his neck and pull him into the boat while drifting down some fast water.As i write this it sounds pretty comical but actually with the temperature at about 20 degrees at the time and high water i feel fortunate to have retrieved my deer without getting wet.This post got a little long but the bottom line is from what i saw this morning the 30-30 Leverevolution works as advertised.
I suspect the fact that the buck was hit in the proper place, called skill and bullet placement, had as much to do with it as the excellent bullet Hornady is loading in the Leverevolution 30-30 ammo.
Glad you were able to get your buck into the boat, sounds like one of those things that could have gone either way.
Congratulations.
Posted by: tencubed
When I first started reading about the new "leverevolution" I was really concerned about the pointy bullets being used in tube magazines. After doing some research and talking with some friends I have changed my opinion. I saw some results of an independent test of the bullets being fired into wet phone books and pine boards and the performance in these mediums was impressive.
From what I have seen and read in various articles the Hornady people have come up with another great bullet.
I still maintain the bullets performance is secondary to proper placement. When both are good then it's just that much better.
Posted by: tencubed
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Originally posted by: ShadyRascal
Oh great, thanks a lot Dune. Now I have to go out and buy a 30-30. You cost me some bucks with all this lever action this, and lever action that. I'm having my wife call you for some explanation when I come home with some pre 64 model 94 because it's all your fault. Thanks a lot. Probably get chewed out and everything.
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Ummm - - - before you rush out and buy that Model 94 take a look at the Marlin site and consider the other Leverrevolution rounds that are available. I'm awaiting a stainless 450Marlin that should show up within a couple of weeks.
Not to discourage the 94 purchase cause everyone should have a least one of these classics but the Marlins are much easier to mount a scope on and the quality is very good for the price involved.
Posted by: tencubed
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Originally posted by: duneittilludie
My 30-30 is a 1954(i think) Marlin 336 and it is very accurate.I study ballistics quite a bit and on paper 30-30 ammunition in any configuration does not look impressive but the few deer i have shot with it have expired in a hurry.
The 30-30 was the premier deer rifle for many years. When used in a reasonable manner it kills deer size game very dead. And no matter what kind of super rifle you shoot you can't kill them any deader than dead.
One of my favorite saddle rifles for years was a '94 in Winchester 25-35. Some "expert" on the game commission decided it was to underpowered to use on deer and elk. I'm surprised those many undead animals would let me skin them all those years.
Posted by: tencubed
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Originally posted by: newbruterider
I bought some of the Hornady leverevolution for my .45/70 and they're OK. I really haven't noticed anything special about them as I always shoot THROUGH the front shoulders and have had no problems using any ammo. Since the .45/70 is a bit on the overkill side, I tend to use the Winchester 305gr .45/70 Hollow Points. They work great, make nice entry and exit holes(depending upon how far away the deer is. Usually they're far enough away where there is no exit wound, and the bullet expands inside the animal, which is what you want)and I haven't had a deer run over about 10 yards with one of them in him. I do like the idea of the Hornady improving the range of my .45/70 however the majority if not all of my shots are 60yds or less so unless I take it with me when I goto Colorado this year, I can't justify spending almost twice as much money on the Lever Revolution ammo.
This is an ENTRANCE shot from a .45/70 Winchester 305gr Hollow Point into an 8pt buck. The shot was taken at about 15yds away. It is a rather graphic photo, so don't look at it if you feel you might be upset by it.
Big Hole
The old but reliable 45-70 does make a big wound channel for sure. I agree that close range work with this calibre does not require the new Hornaday ammunition. Hard cast lead has been my choice for years with good results.
That's a nice buck, wonder how the difference in Eastern and Western count got started. Out here that would be a three point. If it had three on one side and two on the other it would be a "three by two". We never count the brow tine. Any way you count them they still eat mighty good.
Posted by: tencubed
Thats a nice mount. Great addition to the decor of any room IMO. Never been able to convince my wife we need a big set of Elk horns above the front door. She never complains how I decorate my gun room which is nice cause it's a very hunting, fishing and reloading area.
Posted by: CobraR6
I would agree with you guys on bullet placement. That is key to putting an animal down. That said It is good to hear some first hand results with this new ammo. I have heard little first hand feedback on it, but all I have heard was good. Also congratulations on your kill.
Posted by: CobraR6
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Originally posted by: duneittilludie
Anyone else handgun hunt and if so with what caliber?
I personally do not, but i have a good friend who does. He took a buck a few years ago with his .44 mag. He now hunts with a Smith and Wesson 500 mag. I dont think he got anything with it this year, then again not too many of us got deer around here.
Posted by: newbruterider
I bought some of the Hornady leverevolution for my .45/70 and they're OK. I really haven't noticed anything special about them as I always shoot THROUGH the front shoulders and have had no problems using any ammo. Since the .45/70 is a bit on the overkill side, I tend to use the Winchester 305gr .45/70 Hollow Points. They work great, make nice entry and exit holes(depending upon how far away the deer is. Usually they're far enough away where there is no exit wound, and the bullet expands inside the animal, which is what you want)and I haven't had a deer run over about 10 yards with one of them in him. I do like the idea of the Hornady improving the range of my .45/70 however the majority if not all of my shots are 60yds or less so unless I take it with me when I goto Colorado this year, I can't justify spending almost twice as much money on the Lever Revolution ammo.
This is an ENTRANCE shot from a .45/70 Winchester 305gr Hollow Point into an 8pt buck. The shot was taken at about 15yds away. It is a rather graphic photo, so don't look at it if you feel you might be upset by it.
Big Hole
Posted by: newbruterider
Here's a better picture of that deer. Yep, no matter how many pts they have, they still taste GR8!
8PT Buck
Posted by: newbruterider
thanks guys. I appreciate the kind words. That was the second buck that I had mounted since I began hunting 5years ago. The first was a 12-pt that I shot with a .308 180gr. I bought the 45/70 because I wanted something short and compact. The .308 is more of a long range gun the way I have it setup, and it's HEAVY!!! Hands down, if I could only have one rifle (and live in North America) it would be the .45/70. With the exception of the range, you can drop anything on the continent with it!
Savage .308
