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Posted by: maddog56
Dont go opposite paddle when cutting them. You want the two tires to line up perfectly and both to have traction at the same time. Alternating the paddles you cut will put the tires at odds with each other and seriously slow you down.
Not sure why you went with such tires, I wouldnt run those on most of the built banshees my friends have. Way too aggresive and are probably killing your speed and drag times. I would sell them and get a different set instead of butchering them and making them useless for anyone else.
A 9 paddle hauler or extreme would be plenty for your bike.
Posted by: maddog56
I still say 9 paddle hauler or extreme.
I'm sure you hook up great with those tires but you are using all of the limited torque the pred has to get those things moving. I'm sure you would be doing much better against the yfz's and other bikes with a new set of paddles.
Posted by: maddog56
I paid just over 300 for a set of 20" extremes on blue labels. Of course this was at an atv shop at the dunes and it was a while back when the extremes came out.
Posted by: maddog56
They have regular haulers on rockymountain for 60-80 each tire.
Posted by: maddog56
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Originally posted by: LVracer36
2 strokes use more paddles because they rev faster. Thats why you see banshees with 12-14 paddles, their are some 4 strokes (BB ds650s) that run 12 paddle.
Actually, you want fewer paddles on a 2 stroke because you have less torque off the line and dont want them to hook up as well for the fastest start. You want a certain amount of spin, and without the torque you need fewer paddles to allow it than a similarly powered 4 stroke.
At least, that is what I have learned from my experience.
Posted by: maddog56
The reason you see 12-14 paddles on banshees is becuase they are pushing well over 75hp. Few four strokes make that much power without many thousands more into the engine, so the big paddles are less common on them.
Posted by: DaBeechMan
more depends on your bike really. I can make a set of my 8 paddles hook up my 90 horse 250r. I can run identical 60' times when comparing it to my 10 paddles. A lot just depends on surface and what your motor likes.
Posted by: DaBeechMan
probably pick up more then a bike because those dune devils are tiny.
Posted by: cheesedog
the more paddles = fast take off less topend
less paddles = not as fast take off, but more topend
Posted by: bulldogz400
Dude those have got to be killing you in the sand. I'm sure they hook up great, but you would need some serious HP to push those monsters. I agree with Maddog, go with a 8-9 paddle Hauler, and maybe even get double buff's if you want to shed some extra weight.
Do you know how much each of those weigh?? They look very heavy, especially with a 10" rim. If you have some sort of scale, weigh them out and lemme know, just out of curiosity. TIA
Posted by: SpinCycle
Here goes.. my opinion is that a round profile tire works much better than anything that has a square profile (viewed from the rear of the bike). A 10" wide paddle works much better on an 8" wide wheel than a 10" wide wheel. As far as the number of paddles goes most people use too many for drag racing anyway. The last time I talked to skat trak over the phone they gave me the impression that only the big bore bikes need even an 8 paddle hauler to perform their best. I have 10 paddles but I got a steal on them, when they need replacing I will probably go with a 22" 8 paddle hauler.
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No matter how fast you think you are now those tires are slowing you down. More traction is good, too much will slow you down in the 100' past the start. A set of 8 paddle skat trak ultra lites will put you 2-3 lengths ahead of the paddles you have now. Not beating on you, just trying to share information..
Posted by: SpinCycle
A good place to start would be a 20x10x10 8 paddle hauler on an 8" wide douglas blue label .125 wheel. This will be a nice light do-all tire for your pred. A cheap set of front sand tires are worth the money as well, but if you only get to the sand rarely then I wouldn't spend the cash.
never mind, I see you have some fronts. If those are 22" fronts go with 22" rears...
Posted by: SpinCycle
Skillz, the setup I run is a 14 tooth front sprocket and a 22" paddle. Do NOT go with a 20" rear tire, tried that and it sux bad, a DS needs a 22" rear.
Posted by: HA2
they seem extremely too agressive. daryl smith sand tires or bill in temecula could remove every other paddle or more if the tire is close to new.
Posted by: Bradracer18
Hey guys, What is your opinion on paddle tires(obviously strait paddles are better for strait lines).......so what is your opinion on the number of paddles??
More paddles = less spinning = get going quicker
fewer paddles(to a limit) = gets you moving quicker because you can spin = you win.....
Give me your responses........See I'm thinking about my paddles tires(in my photo page)......they have like 18 1.5"(height) paddles......also on a 10" rim(I think)......I was thinking about maybe trying to shave them(like cut half the paddle, then go to the opposite side and cut that half, then back again.....) These tires worked excellent on our 650 crotchrocket......but I'm wondering about what everyone else thinks.......
Posted by: Bradracer18
I'm not at home now, but when I get home, I'll weight them.......they don't weight that much, less than the stock pred tires(I also have them on light weight rims).....
so you guys don't think more traction is better??
You are more on the lines of spinning to get going and then you won't spin anymore anyways???
These do take a lot of power, I need to gear down with them from my stock gearing.....but otherwise, I can do pretty good in the drags........
Not to start anything about racing or anything, but to tell you how these tires work........I have a modded pred....and with these tires I could just barely beat a yfz in a race(800ft??) This yfz was completely stock though, and had a fairely new rider on it.......I can be rappys though(stock too).......So what do you think??
Posted by: Bradracer18
I think they are 18 paddles.......and the 10" rim is what comes stock on the pred(I think, I just said 10").........
I'm not trying to start any fights here, I only go to the sand once per year, but when we go, we all try to bring our best and compete against eachother.......so I want the best......I think I'll try and sell these, they have only been ridden for about 10(maybe) days in the sand, so they are pretty much new, right?? I can't see any wear on them......
this is good info, because that means I'll be that much faster(if I change tires).......
Anyone have any idea what a new set of those skat-trak haulers cost?? Are there used(still in good condition) tires floating around?? Do you think I'll be able to sell my tires for anything??
They get awesome traction.....no spinning whatsoever......they were initially used on our 650 in the 250r.....worked real well there......
So what is your guy's suggestion on what tire I should get?? I want something light and that will make me fast too(someday in the next year I might big bore this thing, so keep that in mind).......
Posted by: Bradracer18
yeah I notice they hook up great........but I have to really give the gas on take off(everyone gets the hole shot on me).....and I also have to rev the other gears hard too(I have to rev 4th really hard for it to even pull 5th......) so probably too much tire......I am going to make a gearing change, but also a tire change I think......
Posted by: Bradracer18
ok thanks..........any idea on what the prices are......there aren't any prices on the site.......need prices(or estimates) for the haulers and extremes too........I have the light weight rims(both front and back).........
Posted by: Bradracer18
I don't need the rims........I have them(the light ones).......so what would the tires be??
Posted by: Bradracer18
Thanks for all of the help maddog and everyone else........I really appriciate it. I don't know too much when it comes to sand tires.......and many other things too......Thanks again.
Brad
Posted by: Bradracer18
Thanks beech......I kinda agree........the only problem that I could find, is they take a lot of power to run(but I could gear down and fix that)........also when the sand is wet(i think.....don't remember which it is) it is really hard to pull due to the weight of the sand........
Posted by: 1BADRAPTOR
what ever you go too they will get you going quicker then that..those are 20 paddles huh...
Posted by: MTX
For a pred you could run 22x11x8 7 paddles for pipe and filtered. More paddle = faster acceleration, but less paddle faster up the hill for some bike (4 strokes). Most 4strokes will run 7-8 paddle, I run 21x12x8 6paddle hauler for my yfz and it hauls, most drag 4 strokes (ex,zukis etc..) run 7 paddle UL.
Posted by: MTX
2 strokes use more paddles because they rev faster. Thats why you see banshees with 12-14 paddles, their are some 4 strokes (BB ds650s) that run 12 paddle.
Posted by: MTX
SkLLz are you planning to get pipe and filter, if so go with 22x11x10 8paddle haulers, they might not work as good with your stock machine, but when you get your mods they will work excellent.
Posted by: 86LT250RFatty
Hey, how is the number of paddles you need for a 4 stroke differnt from a 2stroke? Do 2 strokes like more or less paddles?
Posted by: wildcatkit52
8 Paddle is plenty for you even if you go bigger bore later... Go with 22 inch triple buffs of you want best and lightest but only if you ride good sand with nothing that can puncture a tire. If you really want to do your best then go with 8 inch wheels with your paddles... I can give you retail parts unlimited prices of some tires and let you work from there... I will check some and post back...
Posted by: wildcatkit52
Prices run from high 40's to 70's for various paddle tires. I don't have the prices for skat tracks but I can get them also. According to the parts catalog the bolt pattern changed from 4/156 to the more common 4/110 on the predator for the 2004 model year so you can get 8 inch wheels for it. As that goes it would be the same pattern as Honda. If you want I can get you a deal on a set of wheels and tires of your choice that is better than retail. You would have to pay for shipping from arkansas though. Also I have a set of 20x11.00-8 Sand Devil 8 paddles on new wheels that I might sell. I used them one day at Little Sahara in Oklahoma. Retail is $49.95 each tire. I can't remember which wheel they are on but I can let you know if you are interested. The reason I would sell them is that I can get them and wheels at cost and only got those because I couldn't get the ones I wanted on short notice. I had gone home from Baghdad on leave and the triple buffs where on back order. These tires are fine but on a drag bike I lose about half to 3/4 a bike length or so that I would have with a triple buff 8 paddle. Check to see if your bike does have 4/110 pattern. I can check and see what I paid and give them to you for less than that already mounted on the wheels... I will call and check on which wheels they are and let you know if you are interested.
Posted by: SkLLz
i have a '04 ds650 stock, this thankgiving i am going to the dunes for the first time. i need some paddles with some bite so i can make a good showing against all the raptors and banshees in my club. i have the only ds in the club so everyone wants to race me. i hear from some in the club that i wanna use offset v's so i can turn easily, are the straight cuts that hard to turn? i'm not only doing drags so i want something i can have fun all over the dunes with. i just got some sharkfins by gbc for the front , should i go with straights or something like sandstars in the rear? if straights should i go with 8 or 10 paddles? also is rocky mountain about the best place for prices on tire and wheel packages?
Posted by: SkLLz
im thinking of doing the end cap mod, people are rating those better than a new pipe.
