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Posted by: LiveWire
That article says a few things that are contrary to standard thinking. The one I am most curious about is that less paddles give more traction. This is a major contradiction to anything I have ever read or believed myself. In fact, I think they should have used 7 paddle Edges instead of 8s. The Edges have the same height paddles as Haulers, but have more surface area because of the angle. They say how much traction the Edges they tested gave and I think the reason was too many paddles.
I think the whole test was kind of skewed. They should have tested all the rears with the same fronts and both the fronts with the same rears. The Dune Runners are lighter than the ITP fronts, but maybe the ITPs have less rolling resistance. It's almost as if they punished the companies that did not give them free fronts. I don't care if I run the same brand front and rear tires. I would would want the best of each.
One thing I would like to have seen is a test between different number of paddles with everything else being the same. This would have required Skat-Trak (the only one that offers different numbers of paddles) to send multiple sets though. That was probably not likely since they did not send a set of fronts.
They also said they don't think the V paddles help turning. I don't agree with this, but it may have been because of the test machine. I really don't think you need V paddles on a Banshee. I ran a couple different straight paddles on a Banshee (Kendas and 10 paddle Haulers) and had no problem turning with either. I could blip the throttle and throw it sideways. I have run 4 different sets of rear paddles on my FL350. It is a lot heavier machine that is a lot wider track. The 20" Hualers did not give enough floatation so where not a valid test. I could turn with the Kendas because they spun so much. I ran a set of 25x12x9 10 paddle Haulers that were great for dragging, hillshooting and jumping (lots of sidewall). They don't turn for crap though. I have a pair of 22x11x10 8 paddle edges that I can do donuts in the sand with. They still get better straight line traction than the Kendas or the 20" Haulers.
CVT machines can and I think do better with more traction (more paddles). With too much traction on the Banshee, it makes you have to shift a lot. If they spin, it allows the engine to rev up, but there is still enough drag to keep from over revving. You can then stay in the same gear longer. With a CVT, you don't have to worry about being in the right gear. The CVT will adjust where needed. With more traction, I find that my clutch tuning does not need to be changed between the sand and the dirt. There may be some benefit to changing the clutch tuning, but I race on dirt and play on sand. I also don't want to spend my weekend at the dunes tweaking my clutch.
I need to get paddles for my Drakart. My only real choice was Skat-Trak because I need 22" tall tires. I don't know who has these new ITP paddles. I test drove one with Sand-Skate IIs. I think I actually do better with Holeshots. I also test drove one with 25x12x10 12 paddle Edges. Those got good acceleration and cornered well. I think it will handle better with 22" though. Also, it will do 100 with 22" tires. I don't really think I need to gear for 114. So I was thinking 22x11x10 12 paddle Edges.
Posted by: VEGAS650
Gecko's may work fine in sand pits but take them to Glamis where the sand is very soft, they won't hook up very well. For optimum performance the blades should be lined up together but DON'T NEED to be.
Posted by: VEGAS650
Me and my buddy Dave(Banshee owner) are big believers in straight paddles. We drag alot but also like to cruise the dunes(very fast).
Everyone says it's hard to turn with straight blades but it's not so much turning but slidding that is harder to do.
Discharge, I would run 20 inch 8 paddle Haulers. I just put21"/8paddles on my wifes 465EX and they made a huge difference over the Sand Devils that she had.
Posted by: discharge
trying to decide which to get....are there any differences or just prices....i've got no clue about sand tires....
when they get mounted to the blades have to line up with the other tire
and is there much of a technique to sand riding
what rim should i run....i was thinking douglas .160
any others things i should now
this is for my banshee
thanks
Posted by: discharge
theres a couple sand pits and sand mines here in NJ and would like to make a trip out to silver lake and later on glamis......maybe over christmas vacation next year....i've ridden with my bandits but i rather just have the sand tires....
also i was looking at www.sandtiresunlimited.com
saw a couple tires there.....i've heard alot of people say that the sand skate were for much higher horsepower quads....any incite on those....
thanks
Posted by: discharge
after searching the web and through magazines....i have decided on the kenda Gecko....only thing is what wheel size should i run....i was thinking an 8 to save weight and get douglas .160.....will an 8 even work on a banshee???
thanks for everyones help
Posted by: discharge
vegas
what kind of tire would you recomend for a basically stock banshee....i might be getting fatty's or some type of good all around pipe maybe the LRDs....i need a tire that climbs well but good turning abilities too....
can you also recomend any techniques for sand riding
Posted by: LT80
Yes,when mounted they should be as close as possible to being strait across,it does make a diff.! Maybe you could check into the new maxxis paddles,,I love mine.Those that was behind me said that I threw more sand w/the maxxis than w/my haulers
Posted by: LT80
dont need to be strait across eh,,,i'm going to glamis next week,,this will make for a excellent fire-side chat,im sure the guys will get a good laugh outa it!
Posted by: LT80
Well I'm back from glamis.The guys told me bout the same as sporty has said,that if you are a serious dragger or hillshooter then acurate alignment of the paddles are a must.But for the weekend warrior (like most of us are) then it doesn't matter as much.Altho they agreed that not having them perfectly aligned will make more vibration,and vibration tends to break things.Guess that I was sorta wrong,and sorta right. BR>As for tires,my boy destroyed my haulers.I was/am pissed about them.The paddles are ripping right off!They have "only" about 25 riding hours on them and have never been driven off of sand.Gee am I to presume that my son on his stock 300ex is tough on em,,or junk as I suspect!My Maxxis paddles w/15 hrs. on them are still like new.How many hours do you ppl's paddles last? Am I wrong in thinking 25 is very little?
HAVE A GREAT DAY
Jack
Posted by: Sporty4002x4
I agree with LT80 LINE THEM UP. We have a prob with one friends banshee spinning the rim in the tire when the paddles get crooked he launches crooked. Now maybe if you are just dunning and not dragging it might not matter as much.
You dont have to mount your tires lined up just pull your hub and respline it to where they are lined up.
Posted by: Sporty4002x4
Try it just pull one hub off and line them up good then go out there and launch the crap out of it.
Posted by: kevinYFZ450
Thanks Bill for that information. I think I will get the sand skate 2's before my next trip to Glamis
Posted by: imadunatic
it really depends on what type of riding you do, as far as the tires go, they're are both basically the same tire,
if you dont do any death defying leaps, the .160 should be fine,
it should help with the rolling inertia (having the lighter rims) because both styles of tires are pretty heavy for paddles, if you're just getting your feet wet on the whole sand duning thing, they should be fine, if you fall in love with it, you may find yourself investing in a set of higher priced/lighter tires,
but even the worst paddles are better than any all terrains in my book,
good luck, and where do you plan on riding?
Posted by: imadunatic
the banshee is considered a "higher horsepower" quad, the sand skat 2's are nice, a little more money but all in all nice tires, the only thing you may want to stay away from (and this isn't from experience) is the taller haulers if your quad is mostly stock, they have a seriously tall paddle
my paddles are not mounted straight across from each other and they work great(22x11x10 8-paddle skat-trak edge on douglass .190), on the little bit of hard pack (50ft.) i have to ride across in order to enter the dunes, it shakes like crazy (cause they're not lined up) but in the sand they don't give perfect traction so when they're spinning (and they always are, regardless of what others will tell you, the paddles are designed to move cubic feet of sand) it doesn't matter, case in point, ive ordered 3 sets of paddles from rocky mountain, 2-haulers, and my edge's and none of them were lined up, this is from a company that sells hundreds or more sets a year, so i wouldnt worry about it, order the kit, bolt em on and have a blast,
Posted by: imadunatic
check your PM.s and let me know the basis for this theory LT80
Posted by: imadunatic
yeah it will work, the only problem with the 8 in. is you get more sidewall flex (because there's more sidewall)
they should be fine though, let us know how you like the gecko's, pretty wicked looking paddle
Posted by: imadunatic
ive never heard of lining them up, especially not on my "edge" paddles, LT80 was going to get some more info for me, im willing to try any good tip for the sand, as long as im not wasting my time,
but then again, i dont drag, maybe thats why i never gave it much thought,
i think ill give it a try this summer,
if it makes no difference, i shall post it here, if it does i shall post it here,
either way, i think the only way im going to know is try it for myself
Posted by: imadunatic
thanx for the reply LT, as far as the paddles, ive got about 40 hrs. on my skat-trak edge's and the only thing even remotely different than when they were new is the little knobs on the paddles are gone in the middle, if you havent had them very long, id get ahold of skat-trak and see if they will warranty them (they do warranty defects in workmanship),
you never know, its worth a try
kevin
Posted by: imadunatic
good link there, everyone should keep that in there favorites, that way when somebody asks about paddles, you can just give em that link,
i like that ITP setup but whoa, ($$),
Posted by: BillDS650
Here is a link to a sand tire test done on a Banshee sand tire test
