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Posted by: garyc660R
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Originally posted by: reconranger
I sold the dirt bike! I wanted it to replace the utility quads, for technical trail riding. I absolutely loved it everywhere EXCEPT on nasty technical downhills (exactly the terrain I bought it for). On these, all you can do on a dirt bike is lock up the rear end and slide all over the place, or just blast through it way to fast. It was just easier on the quad!
Huh? So reconranger would rather ride an atv down a nasty downhill than a lighter, much more nimble bike? Did I bump my head or am I actually reading this correct?? I would have to agree with MWQ, I would rather be on a bike on a nasty downhill anytime over an atv.
My opinion, both have their pros and cons as mentioned earlier.....and I feel they both weight out pretty evenly at the beginner level.
Posted by: reconranger
On a dirt bike, a beginner is going to have a whole bunch of little get-offs, that you aren't going to have on a quad (unless you make a big mistake). But, a big wreck on a quad (like a rollover), is going to be way worse than on a dirt bike.
I really think that if the rider understands the machine, a quad is actually safer.
Posted by: reconranger
My buddy who rides a dirt bike called today, and he just got out of surgery for a broken leg and is looking at 3 months to heal (off work!), then another surgery after that.
His dirt bike is already sold, and he is going back to a mild 400EX when this is all over!
Posted by: reconranger
I sold the dirt bike! I wanted it to replace the utility quads, for technical trail riding. I absolutely loved it everywhere EXCEPT on nasty technical downhills (exactly the terrain I bought it for). On these, all you can do on a dirt bike is lock up the rear end and slide all over the place, or just blast through it way to fast. It was just easier on the quad!
Posted by: reconranger
Wrong tool for the job!
What finally made my mind up about the dirt bike was some descents in the local mountains. The trails are way steep and hardpacked, with a layer of coarse sand on top that makes them slick like ice. And throw in lots of rain ruts and rocks to dodge just for fun. Lots of mangled, rolled machines come out of this terrain!
The dirt bike does an admirable job going UPHILL. The big advantage is that you can run between the rain ruts and usually pick a rideable line. On the quad, you have to straddle big ruts that will eat your tires if you make a mistake and slip into one.
But going DOWNHILL, on the dirt bike there is no option but to lock the back end up, and then you slide all over and risk dropping it into a rut. The sport quads, with their low center of gravity, wide stance, and wide tires, have little trouble in this terrain! Utilities are more problematic, because if you drop a wheel into a rut, these more narrow top heavy machines are more likely to roll over.
I'm absolutely no lover of utility quads! Even the little Rancher which is way smaller and lighter than average, is to clumsy for my taste compared to a sport quad. I was looking for a utility alternative, but the dirt bike wasn't it.
But, might get a dual sport bike sometime.......
Posted by: Scootergptx
Believe it or not, the bikes are safer. Most of the time, they fall over and not on you. They weigh much less, so if they do, it's not as deadly. Chances of someone hopping on a quad and riding beyond their skill level is much greater too.
Posted by: Scootergptx
As the day goes on, I'm sure you'll get more responses on this.
Either way, hope the family has a safe and fun time.
Posted by: Scootergptx
Bman, what type of area are they going to be learning in? If it's going to be rocks, and muddy a lot, I'd lean toward the quads for the younger ones. If it's sandy a dirt, I'd go for the bikes. Seen my nieces and nephews dump the bikes numerous times in the sand, and never got hurt. Last time we were out on the trails, one of the girls rolled he little 50cc quad. Nothing more than a bruise, but she was terrified to get back on it. Just something to consider, they will have an accident. How that affects them, will also affect if they want to continue riding.
Regardless, wrap up 'em up in all the gear you can get for them.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: v2rider
I would have to say, a beginner would be safer on a quad. When they run into trouble, they have a better chance of having a bike on top of them, then a quad
A beginner has a good chance of both landing on top of them. Would much rather have a bike land on me than a quad.
But again, it's personal preference, comfort and knowing a persons limits that determine the safety factor of either choice.
Posted by: Scootergptx
I one thing I think we all overlooked here. Have the kids said which they rather have?
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: XxBamBam2xX
i dont know about yall but the place were we ride doesnt allow gocarts i dont know why just 4 wheelers 3 wheelers and dirtbikes just wanted to share that with yall
If you go to Lake Murray in OK, they'll let anything through that fits through the gate. Even if you have to tip it on it's side, as long as it fits.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: ncorrieri
lol, what about snow?
He's already got a sled. BR>
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: Raptorlegs
If there is snow out, I prefer something with a heater. BR>
Not that we see the white stuff around here very often. hr>
You get any snow out there anytime soon, let me know.
I really didn't think it would freeze over.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: motox26
Not in Ohio, the clay is like ice.hr>
A good rider could do it. They hold a national enduro in Ohio, or at least they used to. And it was in the rainy season. If I remember right Terry Cunningham was from Ohio and would spank everyone in that race.
I looked on google and they held a National Enduro in Southern Ohio last Sunday. Only 15 riders finished! Mike Lafferty won. He was on a KTM. hr>
Check and see where Terry Cunnigham grew up in Ohio. BR>
So, could clay be used in a cooler?
Posted by: Scootergptx
As long as there's a cooler full of beverages at the end of the day, I'll take either.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: v2rider
Also, if you crack the throttle on a bike and a quad, which one do you think is going to flip backwards first? The bike is.
How many adults do that and wind up with a 500 pounds or more of atv flipping back on them giving it just that little blip.
Have seen firsthand my great neice roll a quad going into a gulley she would have handled just fine on her bike.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
My issue is when you wreck a bike it is more likely to slide than an atv which will roll fairly easily. I think you are more likely to wreck on a bike, but more likely to suffer a severe injury on an atv.
I agree with v2rider. The best thing for kids is a gokart with a full cage and 3 point harness if you ride on a flat or mildly sloping surface.
Oh, and I can't think of anywhere but mud or sand where I'd take an atv over a dirtbike.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
If there is snow out, I prefer something with a heater. BR>
Not that we see the white stuff around here very often.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: Raptorlegs
If there is snow out, I prefer something with a heater. BR>
Not that we see the white stuff around here very often. hr>
You get any snow out there anytime soon, let me know.
I really didn't think it would freeze over. hr>
Only white stuff out here is being smuggled in across the Mexico border.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: motox26
Not in Ohio, the clay is like ice.hr>
A good rider could do it.
Ooooh! B-u-u-u-R-N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the words of a great American icon.........Ding!.........Ding! lol! j/p!
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: v2rider
Rough terrain would make me think a quad is more stable. But i think its a matter of preference also.
Oh good god no! That is one thing I don't think is preferance, on the rough terrain a bike is the way to go. At least if your going at it with any speed.
That's what I was thinking, speed is the trump.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
I disagree. There are basics that you learn from riding a bike first. People don't seem to understand the importance of leaning and balance. All goes back to that false sense of security. I think starting on a bike makes you a better rider.
At least once you get passed putting your feet down. BR>
Not to mention a crf50 weighs 104lbs versus most 50cc quads that top 200. No way I'd stick my kid on a quad if it wasn't a necessity for our riding terrain. No way at all.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
A child will never learn to balance while the training wheels are touching the ground either. You raise them up so they can balance on two wheels. The training wheels only catch them when they fall.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: MNWolverine01
I didn't read all the posts, but anyone who says dirtbikes are safer than wheelers to a family of new riders needs a room with padded walls.
Didn't your mama teach you if you couldn't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Maybe if you did read it, you would understand where people are coming from.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: MNWolverine01
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Originally posted by: ajd187
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Originally posted by: MNWolverine01
I didn't read all the posts, but anyone who says dirtbikes are safer than wheelers to a family of new riders needs a room with padded walls.
You mean like the one you live in?
lol, no I actually have a nice house on the lake.
But anyway, just think about it, 2 wheels vs. 4 wheels, which is easier for a new rider to balance. I am done posting on this subject. If you disagree, you need to work on you common sense.
500lbs versus 200lbs. And the 500lb machine is much more likely to roll after you. Think about that.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
I have pulled a ute off an adult that was pinned under it.
I have had 3 and 4 wheelers chase me down a hill or after flipping it.
I have flipped an atv going around a turn.
I did start out on dirtbikes. And those are all issues you just don't see very often. Again, I think you are more likely to wreck on a bike. BUT you are more likely to suffer a severe injury on an atv.
I was looking at some Canadian group (CHIRPP?) and there were more atv injuries (130) than dirt bike (79) injuries for their study period. Anyway, that's all I saw in a 5 minute search. And I wouldn't say that's conclusive without knowing how many people use each for recreation, but these are pediatric reports where you'd assume it's a novice rider and it certainly supports my experiences.
food for thought
Posted by: Scooter86
I agreee with reconranger. My feelings are that with a bike it is more when you crash rather than if you crash, even when riding within your abilities. The flipside is that you aren't going to get hurt as often or as much "per crash" riding a bike, but accidents tend to happen less often and are more serious on a quad. Either way you and your family should be able to enjoy whatever you choose safely, education and responsibility are the keys.
Posted by: motox26
The dangerous thing about quads is that people "feel" safe on them because they are easier to ride for a newbie. Then they go fast thinking they're safe, but in reality, they are not really in control and can get hurt very easily. People are intimidated by dirtbikes, and ride them more cautious, which is why they are really safer IMO. Every machine can be safe, it is the riders that are dangerous.
I would still stick with your plan to get quads for the family and you can still be safe. Just make sure to keep your family in check, meaning that they don't ride over their limits and get that false feeling of being safe, make sure they respect the machine and always where a helmet. I know from experience, you never know when a mishap might happen, so protect their noggins.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: reconranger
Wrong tool for the job!
Maybe it was the wrong operator for the tool!
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My thoughts exactly.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Raptorlegs
Oh, and I can't think of anywhere but mud or sand where I'd take an atv over a dirtbike. hr>
I am getting to where I agree on sand, but mud?? Thats my favorite time to ride a dirt bike!! hr>
Not in Ohio, the clay is like ice.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: v2rider
Rough terrain would make me think a quad is more stable. But i think its a matter of preference also.
Oh good god no! That is one thing I don't think is preferance, on the rough terrain a bike is the way to go. At least if your going at it with any speed.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: motox26
Not in Ohio, the clay is like ice.hr>
A good rider could do it.
Ooooh! B-u-u-u-R-N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eewwwww.....right in the gut.BR>
I tend to take a slide on my butt when we're riding in normal mud in the rain, fly around a corner, and all of a sudden there is wet clay. Wayne National is full of that.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: v2rider
Nope, its preference. I hate bikes, and would PREFER to be on a quad!
Well I understand if you can't ride them.....
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: v2rider
How many kids start riding a bike without training wheels? That equals four wheels. Its safer to learn with four first.
And your way of thinking is the same as those that jump on and go, while thinking that they are "safe". I sure hope you wear a helmet.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: v2rider
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: v2rider
Also, if you crack the throttle on a bike and a quad, which one do you think is going to flip backwards first? The bike is.
How many adults do that and wind up with a 500 pounds or more of atv flipping back on them giving it just that little blip.
Have seen firsthand my great neice roll a quad going into a gulley she would have handled just fine on her bike.
Ok
Im glad you now realize that bikes are generally safer.
Posted by: ss97
I see a lot of people buying more quad than they can handle and/or use. This IMO is a big reason people get hurt. As Moto said above it's easy to get a false sense of security on a quad, especially for a newbie.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: motox26
The dangerous thing about quads is that people "feel" safe on them because they are easier to ride for a newbie. Then they go fast thinking they're safe, but in reality, they are not really in control and can get hurt very easily. People are intimidated by dirtbikes, and ride them more cautious, which is why they are really safer IMO. Every machine can be safe, it is the riders that are dangerous.
I would still stick with your plan to get quads for the family and you can still be safe. Just make sure to keep your family in check, meaning that they don't ride over their limits and get that false feeling of being safe, make sure they respect the machine and always where a helmet. I know from experience, you never know when a mishap might happen, so protect their noggins.hr>
I agree with this guy.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: reconranger
My buddy who rides a dirt bike called today, and he just got out of surgery for a broken leg and is looking at 3 months to heal (off work!), then another surgery after that.
His dirt bike is already sold, and he is going back to a mild 400EX when this is all over!
It is good that he found his limits before he got seriously hurt. I personally feel much safer on a dirt bike, especially at any sort of speed. What happened to your plans to buy dirt bikes reconranger? Did you change your mind?
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: reconranger
I sold the dirt bike! I wanted it to replace the utility quads, for technical trail riding. I absolutely loved it everywhere EXCEPT on nasty technical downhills (exactly the terrain I bought it for). On these, all you can do on a dirt bike is lock up the rear end and slide all over the place, or just blast through it way to fast. It was just easier on the quad!
I would definitely rather be on a dirt bike in that situation. Its good to know what you can and cant do so we all dont end up in the hospital. Everyone is different, and should find what they are comfortable on. I dont think Ill ever feel safe going fast on a quad. It seems easier for me to pick a 6" wide line than a 4' wide line.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: reconranger
Wrong tool for the job!
Maybe it was the wrong operator for the tool!
Either machine in the wrong hands is a accident waiting for a place to happen. The key is to find a machine that you are comfortable on. And then get as much experience on it as possible. Putting me on a quad and telling me its the safest way down the hill would probubly get me hurt. Putting you on a dirt bike and telling you the same thing would probubly get you hurt. Each rider needs to feel comfortable on what ever machine they choose to ride. I dont think you can say that either machine is a safe machine. Because of this I like to dress for the crash, not the ride. That makes either machine a little safer.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Raptorlegs
Oh, and I can't think of anywhere but mud or sand where I'd take an atv over a dirtbike. hr>
I am getting to where I agree on sand, but mud?? Thats my favorite time to ride a dirt bike!!
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: motox26
Not in Ohio, the clay is like ice.hr>
A good rider could do it. They hold a national enduro in Ohio, or at least they used to. And it was in the rainy season. If I remember right Terry Cunningham was from Ohio and would spank everyone in that race.
I looked on google and they held a National Enduro in Southern Ohio last Sunday. Only 15 riders finished! Mike Lafferty won. He was on a KTM.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: OneFlyCowboy
Its not that bad if you have ruts.. But clay on 8' wide hard pack red clay track that has a fresh rain on it.. Impossible on 2 wheels. hell you can't even stop on a slope and put your feet down. and keep the bike standing.. I have witnessed this first hand.. Quite humorous hr>
Im talking about a really good rider.
Posted by: OneFlyCowboy
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: motox26
Not in Ohio, the clay is like ice.hr>
A good rider could do it. hr>
Its not that bad if you have ruts.. But clay on 8' wide hard pack red clay track that has a fresh rain on it.. Impossible on 2 wheels. hell you can't even stop on a slope and put your feet down. and keep the bike standing.. I have witnessed this first hand.. Quite humorous
Posted by: raidermike67
I wanted a dirbike as a kid but we were pretty poor, I managed to get a snowmobile around 12, but from money I earned over the summer. Unfortnately I never got to learn to ride a dirtbike. After getting into quads a few years ago I decided to get a dirtbike as a lightweight backup to bring along in case the quad broke down or something. While the dirbike is lighter and easier to handle on tighter trails having never really ridden one it didn't feel exactly natural to me, I simply preferred to ride the quad and the bike is for sale now.
Posted by: MNWolverine01
I didn't read all the posts, but anyone who says dirtbikes are safer than wheelers to a family of new riders needs a room with padded walls.
Posted by: MNWolverine01
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Originally posted by: ajd187
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Originally posted by: MNWolverine01
I didn't read all the posts, but anyone who says dirtbikes are safer than wheelers to a family of new riders needs a room with padded walls.
You mean like the one you live in?
lol, no I actually have a nice house on the lake.
But anyway, just think about it, 2 wheels vs. 4 wheels, which is easier for a new rider to balance. I am done posting on this subject. If you disagree, you need to work on you common sense.
Posted by: ddrumman2004
It's like anything mechanical......respect it for what it can and cannot do.
Be it a car, truck, motorcycle or atv......they can and will hurt you when you least expect it.
Both bikes and atvs have their advantages and disadvantages.
Posted by: ajd187
I would suggest maybe a hybrid approach. Like if you have younger kids, start them on bikes. They will pick up good fundamentals faster. What they can ride will be decided by you, instead of some archiac nonsensical laws that say that a kid under age X must be on a machine of X CCs.
For older kids and you and your wife, I would suggest checking out both and seeing what you feel more comfortable with.
Posted by: ajd187
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Originally posted by: v2rider
How many kids start riding a bike without training wheels? That equals four wheels. Its safer to learn with four first.
If your kid can balance a bicycle they will have no problem balancing a dirtbike. Same concept, just implemented at a higher speed is all.
As someone who started their child on a dirtbike I think that is the better way for the kid. They learn more riding concepts faster because they have to. Sure they will fall more often but if they have the right gear they won't get hurt.
Posted by: ajd187
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Originally posted by: MNWolverine01
I didn't read all the posts, but anyone who says dirtbikes are safer than wheelers to a family of new riders needs a room with padded walls.
You mean like the one you live in?
Posted by: Sparky8370
They share some commonalities, but it's still apples and oranges.
More chance of a crash with less chance for serious injury or less chance of a crash with more chance of an injury. Some of the trails we like to ride, at the speeds we like to ride them, would be next to immpossible to ride (at those speeds) on a dirtbike. On my first ride on my Z, I had numerous large dents and gouges in all my rims, bent brake rotor, brake rotor through factory skidplate, stick through factory skidplate, and a ton of scratches/gouges on the underside. A lot of the trails around here are really rocky and washed out and not good for dirtbikes, at least not if you want to ride like an a-hole. We like riding like a-holes every now and then.
Posted by: Speedster700HP
As far as riding over rough and/or steep terrain, bikes are much safer. I've taken so many hills on my CR250R at speed that would've killed me on a quad. And like has been said, the bike leaves you when you tumble, the (heavy) quad follows you!
As far as being excessively fast and making you want to do dangerous jumps, the bikes are much more dangerous however!
Posted by: squeege
With a bike ou tend to be very in control but 4-wheelers tend to give a more relaxed feel til you are like whooooo that was close...
Posted by: v2rider
I would have to say, a beginner would be safer on a quad. When they run into trouble, they have a better chance of having a bike on top of them, then a quad
Posted by: v2rider
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: v2rider
I would have to say, a beginner would be safer on a quad. When they run into trouble, they have a better chance of having a bike on top of them, then a quad
A beginner has a good chance of both landing on top of them. Would much rather have a bike land on me than a quad.
But again, it's personal preference, comfort and knowing a persons limits that determine the safety factor of either choice.
I said a better chance. If some kid bumps into a tree, is a quad going to suddenly flip itself over? Think about it.
Posted by: v2rider
Actually, i think the safest thing to start out on is a Gocart.
Posted by: v2rider
Rough terrain would make me think a quad is more stable. But i think its a matter of preference also.
Posted by: v2rider
Nope, its preference. I hate bikes, and would PREFER to be on a quad!
Posted by: v2rider
Also, if you crack the throttle on a bike and a quad, which one do you think is going to flip backwards first? The bike is.
Posted by: v2rider
How many kids start riding a bike without training wheels? That equals four wheels. Its safer to learn with four first.
Posted by: v2rider
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: v2rider
Also, if you crack the throttle on a bike and a quad, which one do you think is going to flip backwards first? The bike is.
How many adults do that and wind up with a 500 pounds or more of atv flipping back on them giving it just that little blip.
Have seen firsthand my great neice roll a quad going into a gulley she would have handled just fine on her bike.
Ok
Posted by: v2rider
Yup. Anyway..........
Posted by: v2rider
4 wheels is safer, thats why 3 wheelers arent legal in some states anymore on trails.
Posted by: v2rider
With a bike ou tend to be very in control but 4-wheelers tend to give a more relaxed feel til you are like whooooo that was close...
I think this will prove an opinion/preference theory.
I feel more incontrol on a quad myself, and i think its like a preference all the way. Nobody is going to win, or be right on this subject, because its all about how you feel on a quad or bike. If someone says your raising your kid wrong because of what you prefer to say he/her is safer on, then they are narrow minded aholes
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
the reason the dealer said that is because you have more wrecks on a dirtbike than a quad, but they are not as dangerous, the one time you wreck on a quad its deadly just whatever you do make sure you teach them the basics and fundementals of the sport and make sure they know what to do if put in a situation and the first couple times you go riding go slow and dont let them out of your sight good luck on either of the choices
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
Scootergptx is right what do your wife and kids want i know you just want them to be safe but i would find some one like a friend let them ride a quad then let them ride a dirtbike see what they like you want to get them what they feel more comfortable on, but anyways good luck with what ever you decide to do and keep us posted
landon
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
i dont know about yall but the place were we ride doesnt allow gocarts i dont know why just 4 wheelers 3 wheelers and dirtbikes just wanted to share that with yall
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
lol let the fight begin
Posted by: keist08
yea i agree with these guys dirtbikes are much easier to fall on but people on quads tend to overdoo it because they dont feel like they are gonna flip.
Posted by: Flyby
Four wheels are better than two for anyone who doesn't have experience operating a motorized vehicle. Think about a first time driver. Would you start them of on a motorcycle or in a car? The key for new and young riders is being taught correctly by an experienced adult and having the proper safety mechanisms on the quad (multiple kill switches and remote kill switch). Minors - especially those 6-11 year olds - will start better on a quad (again, with the right training) and build confidence to go to the bikes. Believe you me it hurts just as bad falling off a bike as it does a quad. Also if you front end a bike or lay it over you run the risk of serious injury.
Posted by: bananaman
I really just want this to be good family time, and not kill them. Non of us are reckless, and no one except me has any experience on either. Which do you think for beginners would be safer?
Thanks,
--Rick
Posted by: bananaman
I found some posts about this. I searched before, and could not find anything.
Posted by: ncorrieri
whoever said "what do the kids/wife" want, is right on too
People do some really stupid stuff on bikes if theyre scared to death of them. Ive seen 1 try to brake on a trials bike w/o popping in a clutch as she was approaching a cliff... didnt work well.
also, check your dnr for trails, etc. A lot of places in MN dont allow both ATVs and MX on same track. So you may have to go with 1 or the other.
The biggest thing about ATV's is when they tipover from trying to go sideways up/down something, or turning too fast.
You can govern the hell out of them to handle the speed issue, and gradually increase it as rider skill increases.
As far as the hill issue, teach them safe ways of going up/down. Take them on yours even if you can to give them the feel of it.
And never ever let them ride without helmets and other appropriate safety gear. Wifes dad has a cabin up in northern mn, and i see 8 yr old kids on atvs without helmets and shoes. Makes me wish very bad things to their parents.
Posted by: ncorrieri
lol, what about snow?
Posted by: ncorrieri
safest sport in the world is walking.
everything else has accidents it seems BR>
Posted by: bikenut
You guys made some good points.
Too many variables involved to say one or the other,but for the record...I bought an old KE100 to teach the kids to ride, which spent more time on its side than its knobbies. The boys got the hang of it, but one bit it hard when he washed out the front tire in some slick stuff. My daughter fell a couple times and was too spooked to keep trying. She doesn't like a clutch either. She started riding my brothers 250 Ozark and fell in love. Guess I'm in the market for a small automatic quad!
The terrain we ride is usually hard-packed but rutted, so its a little technical on two wheels. I keep the girl away from any big hills cause her limited skills make for a high probability of a rollover. The boys are fearless,(not always a good thing), but have learned that two wheels are alot more forgiving in tricky situations.
You guys covered it, but it comes down to having respect for the machine/your ability, and safety gear!
