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Posted by: Bill.Ciliberti
Some interesting points here.The Raptor is hardly a quad used for everyday situations/terrains.It is fast,great in the dunes,has a great suspension,and is wide.Real world and XC races have very little in common,a very poor example in my opionion.Perhaps the sport quads dominate these races,however,in the real everyday world,that simple is not true.
REAL WORLD to me is the things we ATVers encounter everyday we ride,some good terrain,some bad terrain.I've never once ''raced'' thru my entire everyday riding excursions.I have road terrain where the sport quads make me look bad,I've also road terrain where I can make a sport quad look bad.The bottom line here is that each quad in everyday ''real world'' rides will encounter differant situations,and in doing so,they will shine in their own environment.I refuse to get into this sport vs 4x4 debate,as both ATVs serve their own perspective in their own terrain!But classifiying a sport quad as a ''real world'' ATV hardly fits the bill,
Bill
Posted by: cstark
I would like a discription of a "real world" trail. Too me, a "real world" trail would consist of mud, rocks, sand, water, logs, hill-climbs, off-chambers, jumps, whoops, tight spots between trees, and anything else that is found out in nature. Wait...That description sounds just like any HareScramble or XC race that I have raced in. The last time I checked, Sport quads dominate XC events and the Scrambler's race in the utility class.
Sport quads are lighter, handle better, have manual controls, and will run circles around ANY Scrambler in a "real world" XC race. Look around, Polaris isen't exactly dominating racing now, are they..... People preach that the 300EX, 400EX and even sometimes the 250r are slow. But Honda wins races! Handling far outweights power by a long shot. With engine modifications, power can be extracted from "any" motor, handling can not.
If a Scrambler fits your riding style, and that's what your comfortable on. Then that is great. But don't compare a Scrambler to a "Sport" quad and say that it is better in the "real world" because you are just fooling yourself.
Posted by: rancheres
VMAX, those are my thoughts as well, I ride with a number of guys who run scrablers and they do go fast but that's about it. Like the magazines proclaim, they do neither well - sport or utility. If you want a quad to do some work, the lack of low range will hurt you with the scrambler. If you want to run through woods and do some jumping the 400ex will eat the scrambler for lunch, really no comparison here. But if you want to do a little 4 wheeling(4wd) also then the scrambler can hold it's own or a least beat the sport class.
I won't even get into all the threads I've seen about broken chains and faulty 4wd problems with the scramblers . . .go for the ex less headaches way more fun!
Posted by: rancheres
"Now before you say raptor consider this, the scrambler offers you the looks, performance, and speed of a sport quad, but also the torque, work capabilitys, and power of a utility quad. For the price it does'nt get any better than that, those race quads don't even touch the versitility of the scrambler."
Scramboy lets take a closer look at your response and all laugh together. I won't even address the 400ex here as your raptor approach is even more humorous!
Offers the looks - you probably thick all Artic Cat utility quads are the best looking also. Raptor is all new and is a great looking quad.
Performance and Speed - Your 400 scrambler is going to give you both of these over a 660 raptor, wrong again - not even a contest!
Torque - I guarantee the raptor has more, now it's not geared the same but hp and torque go to the raptor.
Work capabilities- with awd you can do more then a raptor, I'll give you that. But with out low range the scrambler is a weak attempt at a work machine, a 300 king quad is much more capable. If you want to use your quad as a working quad then one should by a utility machine.
Price - Should be be cheaper, its just a 400 engine in a regular chasis whereas the whole package weighs as much as a utility quad but claims to be sport. Again does neither well.
We're all happy with your love for your machine just tired of you slaming the scramblers down everyones throat.
Posted by: snowshark
If you really want power then look into a Raptor. It handles like the Honda 400EX & has more power than the Scrambler.
The only problem with the Raptor is finding one, they are still in short supply.
Posted by: OffRder15
DID YOU GUYS EVER OWN LET ALONE RIDE A SCRAMBLER?!?!?! Don't make stupid comments on stuuf you ASSUME you know. The scrambler will out mud your EX or Raptor EASILY. Don't be dissin Polaris boy. Bout the only thing I saw a EX do in snow was spin and do doghnuts. Tried going through ice, broke through, got stuck. THEY ARE PURE SPORT MACHINES. PERIOD.
The Scrambler is an awesome quad. As far as maintanance, ummmm.... unless you are a fat a** that bottoms out the suspension every time you sit down on the thing and you are lazier than he**, the maintanace is nothin. Squeeze the trigger, your done with maintanance. That's how it is. Ohh...um..... if you are talkin about quality, notin wrong with mine. I flipped it rolled it, got on it started it back up, drove home, bent my hanlebars back, good as new. Nothin was done to it thank God. I am 100% happy with my purchase of my Scrambler 500 4x4. You ever try to make it up a steep slik hill? A couple of guys on banshees and EX's did, neverr got to the top. I went, got to the top, threw them a rope, thumbed my throttle, gave em a free ride up their favorite hill. Did you mumble something? "Ha, I bet he F***ed up his belt. Hardy ha ha" you say? Or "You're full of BS." Guess what...youre wrong.
The Scrambler is an awesome trail quad. PERIOD(#2).
"when you buy a scrambler your not getting the best of both your just getting an average quad. " Hmmmmm Let's take a looksy at the raptor. I think i see pure sport there. Over all it's just an average quad too. It is ONLY the best SPORT QUAD not anything else! Not much for my kinda trails ( unless you wanna be behind me "menuvering" your "better handling more nimble, and lighter" 2WD sport quad in the mud) Come on and be realistic here people. As far as the 400ex being more powerful than a Scrambler..... it's lighter not more powerful, NO WAY. Did you ever own a belt driven quad. You don't need to use low range as much as the honda riders claim.
Posted by: scramdaddy400
Spyder I will tell you right now that I have'nt had a problem with my scrambler 400 yet, I beat that machine since the day I got it. I was as concerned about the reliability as you are right now and cuz it was on warranty if anything did happen I could get a replacement for free.
Well, it's been 5 months now and after rolling it down a hill, crashing into five trees, pulling a bronco up a dirt road, driving it through mud sections wide open that were ment for 4x4's, and "accidently" bottoming out on rocks the only problem I had was the tool case cap popping off.
I got a replacement one that was redesigned under my warrenty.
As for that everything else performed flawlessly, I took the belt housing off to see how bad the belt was after the abuse, it looked like it had barely been used.
If you had read any of my other post you can see why I back polaris' new machines.
You said you wanted to consider the 400ex, DON'T.
I know you won't like it you sound like me, you want a machine that will take you where you want to with no trouble. If you buy the 400ex that is'nt going to happen.
First off your buying a machine that cost $100 bucks more than the scrambler and it does'nt even have REVERSE. Now before you say raptor consider this, the scrambler offers you the looks, performance, and speed of a sport quad, but also the torque, work capabilitys, and power of a utility quad. For the price it does'nt get any better than that, those race quads don't even touch the versitility of the scrambler.
I know if you buy one you'll never want to ride anything else.
2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4
SCRAMDADDY400
Posted by: scramdaddy400
Ya pleasure to me is getting stuck in the mud or spinning out going up a hill on one of these new good for nothing "race quads".
When you buy the scrambler your getting the best of both worlds, a sports quad for playing around and a utility quad for when the trail gets rough and you need the extra torque and power only a utility can offer.
I dont know about you but when I buy an atv that is going to leave a dent in my bank account it better do everything I what it to do with no trouble.PERIOD.
2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4
SCRAMDADDY400
Posted by: scramdaddy400
Hey were can I buy this machine your talking about cuz it sure is'nt the raptor!!!
And I was talking about the 500 scrambler which has the same engine as the sportsman 500 HO, you first of all can't tell me that its not a torquey engine it outperforms the ruby.
I cant see why your pushing the raptor, the scrambler can out perform it in everything except speed and handling.
I never said the scrambler was an all on anything, but it has a little of each of the charactoristic that I mentioned. The raptor is geared for racing and thats it, you can not bring it up to a gnarly trail and pray for the best it ain't going to happen.
I'm sorry bud but that machine does'nt stand a chance on real world trails with a 4x4 scrambler.
2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4
SCRAMDADDY400
Posted by: scramdaddy400
Problems with faulty chains, there is no chains on '97+ scramblers theres a chain. Notice how its plural, thats because theres a shaft drive in the front.
Who would no better about a 2000 scrambler then a 2000 scrambler owner, not a "honda rancher" owner.
2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4
SCRAMDADDY400
Posted by: scramdaddy400
You said it right there sand and gravel pits, the raptor is perfect for that, I agree.
Now about the trail part and how a dinky blaster could out perform me on the trails, I DON"T THINK SO!!!.
Have you ever read a dirtwheels magazine or seen on the internet 4x4 rallys and the sick trails they ride on, thats what I'm talking about when I say "real world trails", a raptor no matter how much you envy it is not going to come close to making it on trails like that.
I own a scrambler for that purpose, but dont get me wrong 80% of the guys I go riding with have sport quads and that includes my girls LT250R.
The only problem I have with thier "RACE QUADS" is that they can only go so far up the mountain before I need to pull out the rope.
They do great in gravel pits and so does mine, as far as I'm concerned my quad is the best of both worlds.
2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4
SCRAMDADDY400
Posted by: scramdaddy400
I have nothing against your quad I think its great that they've brought back the race quads and the raptor is at the top of it's game.
Where you live the raptor is perfect but don't put down my machine it has it's strong points and weak points as does your raptor.
Spyder whats a machine that can go on some sick trails and mud, that's what he was telling me in the chat.
Don't classify me as a biased cuz I'm not going to push a machine like the scrambler on someone who lives around Glamis versus someone who lives in Minnisota.
2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4
SCRAMDADDY400
Posted by: VMAX12
if you wanna have fun buy a RAPTOR if you wanna do work (utility) buy a cub cadet DON'T MIX BUSINESS WITH PLEASURE.
01 RAPTOR
95 VMAX 1200
90 CUB CADET hahaha
Posted by: VMAX12
yeah im sure your scrambler has torque but im also sure my 660 has alot more . as for the mud every year my dealer has a MUD BOG for atv's, and NONE of the 4x4's or weak 4 strokes can make it. if you can't get up the speed to glide over it you'll just dig yourself a hole. the only 4 stroke that make are ex 400 raptor and ds650. when you buy a scrambler your not getting the best of both your just getting an average quad.
Posted by: VMAX12
what is a "real world trail" the reason i bought the raptor is becuase i ride in sand and gravel pits and in these types of riding you NEED hp and torque. i also like clutches. the raptor is a awesome trail machine ill put it up to any polaris out there. i think a yamaha blaster will out run a scrambler!!!!
Posted by: VMAX12
boy scramdady this is almost as fun as arguing with my HARLEY friends about my jap bike. i live in INDIANA and there isn't a mountain for hundreds of miles but it seams like you would need momentum to get up steap hills without flipping over. not torq. but as you can see buy my selection of toys i like hp & torq.
01 raptor
95 vmax
Posted by: spyder30
I just test rode the 500 scram 4x4. I must say that it was a sweet ride. Pretty quick, simple to ride. My only hold back is that the 500 scram has so many features such as 4x4, reverse, radiator etc. These are all things that require maintnance and could break. I was also considering the 400ex. Heres a bike with basically an engine and 4 wheels. Cant be much to worry about breaking there. But i do like all of the features of the scram....Someone give me some input. especially you (Scrammdaddy)....
