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Posted by: DeuceRooster
If both machines had good riders, I could see a fully ported Tecate 4 or a Ported/Piped/Geared Banshee take a CR250. They are VERY powerful bikes though. Most of it just comes down to rider skill.
Posted by: LT80
Well,,,,,,, At The Budds Creek GNC, the pro's were getting the same (+/-) lap times as the bike pros.
I think bikes are faster till they hit a corner, but not much.
Anyways, I feel the one and only "YES IT WILL WIN" quad would be the jet powered quad that was at the Deerfield GNC a few years back.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
The answer is simply NO. You would need perfect circumstances for any production quad to win that drag. The first circumstance being that the guy on the CR250 is a total dooofus and can't ride or that his bike is so poorly tuned.
A CR250 in fair running order with an average rider should whoop any Banshee or LT500 everytime. It's power to weight ratio. MX Bikes have almost as much, just as much or more HP than any monster race quad with a lot less weight to pull. It's physics...plain and simple. Like another poster said: It's apples and oranges.
Comparing a Shee, R, Tecate 4, LT250 or 500 to a MX Bike is silly. It's like comparing a 400ex to an R.
Hell, I'd give an experienced kid on a good, solid CR, KX, RM or YZ85 (especially if it's set up for top end) a better chance in drags against all but the fastest quads than a Shee against a CR250.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
still arguing that a banshee can beat a cr250?? What's next? How the Browns can win the Super Bowl this year?? or how bout the BSCS college champ vs. an NFL team?? LOL.
Sorry, guys. I'm a quad rider all the way. But physics and logic is Physics and Logic. No way. That Shee is simply lugging too much extra metal and 2 extra wheels. Tell ya what. Take your Banshee motor and work it into an MX bike frame and then we got a contender. It's all about power to weight ratio. It's not a knock on quads, it's just the way it is.
Here's another: I'll put my 180HP Audi A4 1.8T against any 300-350HP muscle car anybody here's got and guarantee that I'll win...provided you somehow stick your engine in a Tractor Trailer.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Z40005BR
Hey Ok, I do agree that a cr250 is way faster, I never said it wasnt. But Whoever said that a cr250 is invincible to a pissed of quad rider is wrong. A quad can run one of those over in a snap. Maybe pop the tires and mess it up but you could still do it. By the way i dont hate dirtbikes.
No one is talking about a head to head collision. This is about pure speed.
A cheetah can outrun a lion...no one says a lion couldn't rip a cheetah apart though. that's not the discussion anyway.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Wheelerbob
The original question was is there any stock or lightly modded quad that can beat a stock cr250 and the answer is no!!. And it is true you can mod a banshee out the wazue, but the fact is mod for mod the bike will win. I bought the factory built kx 250 race bike that Mike keidrowski rode in the 1987 ama supercross series at an auction , and yes it was the real thing it came with a certificate of authenticty from kawasaki and was signed by mike, and let me tell my experience, at the time i also had a cr500 that was piped and jetted, and the 500 was severly put to shame, you could barely kick the 250 over, it had so much more power than the 500 it wasn't even funny, it actually scared the **** out of me. Up until that point i loved the 500 because i'm a big guy 6'4" and i liked the power but the 250 was way to much, it was insane. so back to the question, i've ridden banshee's, raptor's and have owned several modded atc 250r's so you could never tell me that a quad could have as much acceleration as that 250 had, I'm not trying to offend any shee owners but the bottom line is what it is. Just my experience.
Makes you wonder why they bother having "shootouts" in magazines. Those bikes get hopped up so much that they are completely different bikes when they hit the track and will blow any stocker away. Hell, even the guys at the lower levels do mods that cancel any weaknesses that are pointed out in the shootouts.
BTW, what were your buying and selling prices on that bike?? I know those bikes retailed at high 2's to low 3's back then.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
a YZ250 or some trail bike??
If it was a YZ, I'd have to think something was wrong with the rider or the bike. Sorry.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: motox26
LMAO!! You beat a CR500??!! First a 250, now 500's! LOL If you did there has to be something wrong with the bike man! My buddy had a highly modded Shee and it woudln't even tie with a 500!
ditto. there's something there.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
why not?
Listen kid, a couple things:
1. These new quads are nice. Good fit and finish. Nonetheless, blazing top speed isn't their strong point.
2. CC for CC, (even half the CCs or less) bikes are simply faster machines to begin with...let alone with 2 strokes instead of 4. The Raptor, modded up, vs. a CR250 with competent riders WON'T WIN. Stop looking for hope.
3. If you really wanna find something to STAY CLOSE to an MX bike, Look at older models...not newer ones. Maybe your too young to appreciate the fact that in terms of sheer speed and acceleration, quads haven't reached a new level in the past years. The high water mark of sheer QUAD SPEED was back in late 80's and early 90s. These newer quads have more goodies in them and handle better but sheer top speed? no way. (SOME of the newer quads have almost matched them but not past them...even the new Raptor 700 was clocked by DirtWheels at only 75mph). Then mod these older quads and they're even faster. It doesn't take much. And even the fastest of these older quads, the LT500 or Banshee, couldn't beat a CR250 or any MX 250 in stock quad form. I can't imagine what would need to be done to one these to get past a CR250. After engine mods, you could try sprocket size changes but to get a faster top end to beat a CR, you'd have to lose so much lowend that it would accerelate like 300EX until 3rd gear or so and the race is lost before it starts. Look, the 3 older 250s' top speeds STOCK were from about 72 to 75MPH, the Banshee is 77 and the LT500 is about 80mph. All did a 1/4 mile in about 15-16.5 seconds. This is all without mods. These are 250 to 500cc 2 stroke engines pulling a quad frame. Now take the "slowest" of these, the 250s, and cut the weight by about 80 lbs or so by putting it in a bike frame AND tune it for more topend. It's no contest.
4. The fastest STOCK production off-road machine other than bikes are 3 wheelers. The fastest of these is the Kawasaki KXT250 Tecate followed closely by the Honda ATC250R....the 3 wheeled cousins of my 2 quads. They make the same power as my quads but have less weight and a bit more topend...at least the Tecate does for sure. And even they couldn't beat a 250 Motocrosser. MAYBE they'd have a fighting chance with some serious mods. But I don't know.
It's like asking a linebacker to outrun or keep up with a widereceiver=MISMATCH.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: lapeerbanshee
My stock 2004 KFX700 beat a KX125 with a pro circuit pipe and reeds this weekend at silver lake sand dunes in the wet sand by the beach...but then he beat me we only raced twice.
I see a lot of wheel spin in that scenario. Get on hard pack or pavement and you won't win. There's usually a logical explanation when a quad gets a fluke win against a bike. Heavy wheel spin combined with a super short drag strip to keep the bike from making up ground is one scenario. A moron on the bike is another.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
hey man (2strokeforever) i got nothing against bikes, i mean i was just wondering why a raptor 700 could not win. I was just wondering thats all. I mean i got a kawasaki kdx220 myself and im sure i could own most quads but i personally dont think i would have a chance. then again my bike aint meant to race a quad. O well guess i better go buy a bigger bike. maybe like a yamaha yz450.
Like I said in the other thread. I'll ride your stock KDX220 (if you really have one) and I'll beat my quads or just about any stock quads if not all of them...nevermind on a motocrosser which will smoke a KDX220.
And what's this???: " im sure i could own most quads but i personally dont think i would have a chance"...makes no sense to me.
And as for you, RDZ350, LOL, well that's just insane (75HP). That, I can understand, will beat just about anything. But that's just unreal. That must be one hell of a Dune Machine and dragster...though I can't imagine it being much fun on the trails. Too Much.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
well, i may be selling it anyway to get a crf230. Ive heard they are better
LOL. you're all over the place. I don't know about you. KDX220 to YZ450F....BIG difference...way more power. and then KDX220 to CRF230....LOL...way less power and a lot smaller. Are you making all this up as you go along???
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
But i may get a crf 230 if i cant harness the power of my kdx220 by the end of the season
HUH?? what the hell does that mean??
This is why I wonder about you. A KDX220 is a higher class of bike than a CRF230. The KDX is taller and faster and is more comparable to a bigger XR, DR, WR or CR250X. Like I said, you're all over the place. You're makin no sense....unless the KDX is too much for you and that's why you're downgrading.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
from what i hear from most people a crf230 is much faster than my kdx220.
Then "most people" you talk to are dead wrong. It's sad how clueless and unknowledgeable younger riders today are. I weep for the future.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: lapeerbanshee
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Originally posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: lapeerbanshee
My stock 2004 KFX700 beat a KX125 with a pro circuit pipe and reeds this weekend at silver lake sand dunes in the wet sand by the beach...but then he beat me we only raced twice.
I see a lot of wheel spin in that scenario. Get on hard pack or pavement and you won't win. There's usually a logical explanation when a quad gets a fluke win against a bike. Heavy wheel spin combined with a super short drag strip to keep the bike from making up ground is one scenario. A moron on the bike is another.
well i guess thats the difference i wasnt on hard pack....but guess what....I won so it looks like a quad can beat a bike. Did it say anything about the terrain and the race was a little less then a quarter mile. and the kid on the bike knows how to ride. Deal with it your wrong!!
I'm not wrong. The terrain handicapped the bike. So if you read my post correctly, I was right.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: lapeerbanshee
thats why i beat it though because quads dont get handicapped and bikes do. quit making excuses and deal with it. Your wrong!!
LOL. firstly, I ride quads not bikes so my stance isn't because I prefer bikes. The basis of the question here is very simple. Your twisting it around by basing the quads' drag win on something that isn't supposed to be a factor here. We're talking speed and acceleration PERIOD. Not with handicaps that make one win over the other.
The question here is simple to understand. My explanation (and everyone else's) is simple to understand. If you don't understand any of it, you choose not to because nobody is that dense.
Posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: atkrider
its not even the same 250 from the qaud to the bike, very close but the bike puts out about 8-10 more horspower than the quad plus in a bike you you now get a powervalve and that would beat the hell out of any stock qaud, i think the closest stock quad would be a quadzilla and im not a suzuki lover but they sure are fast.
the qadracer 250 and tecate 4 came with powervalves. That's not the issue. The issue is simply power to weight ratio. However, it is true that the bike version of the motor, like in the case of KX250 and KXF250 (Tecate 4), puts out more power. The KX250 motor that the Tecate 4 is based on is tuned for more peak power in the bike version and uses a bigger carb. In fact, the Tecate's motor needed a smaller carb and engine changes to put out enough extra lowend to offset the quad's weight. It also uses a counterbalancer...but I'm not sure if that robs HP.
As for the quadracer 250, I don't know if it was based on the RM250 motor so I can't say the same for the bike-quad comparison.
Posted by: DIGGEM
What about my highly modified new CR250R inside a 90 fourtrax frame, Check it out at bottom of my sig. Go to page 2 after you get to the site
Posted by: DirtDragon
We have drag raced 300' dirt for 3 seasons now and have yet to see a bike run times close to the quads. I'm assuming this is strickly due to traction issues in the dirt. We run 4.9's with our YFZ with pipe/filter/intake and have had many races with bikes 125's, 250's, 450's, and the fastest bike I have seen to date runs 5.2's with paddles. Most are running 5.5's or worse.
Used to race TT on a Cannondale and it was fun lapping the bikes. Again, traction issues.....
That being said I have no doubts that power to weight ratio would win everytime on pavement or other surfaces where traction is not an issue.
Posted by: PhatDave
its not a fair comparisen, its like apples to oranges
Posted by: Whitedog
Cool.... Remember the "fat cats" ?
Posted by: Whitedog
They were ugly. AND hard as HELL to ride. Theres a few on ebay. -honda fat cat- 1986-87
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: TooFast2Pass
You must be a CR250 lover. There would be nothing to watch, but thanks for showing interest. I did read the original post and I know that a Banshee with nothing but pipes and a K&N will take a piped CR250 if the Banshee rider knows his machine. I know this because although it wasn't easy, I beat my good buddys piped 03 YZ250 when my banshee was a stock quad with pipes and a K&N. Now if you've ever owned a YZ 250 and a CR 250 you should be able to tell me that the YZ is quicker and has better power delivery, therefore, a lightly modded Banshee will beat a CR250.
LMAO, put down the crack pipe buddy adn don't act like you have any knowledge of bikes. Dude, every year of MX bikes is different, so to say a YZ is quicker than a CR is ignorant. Some years are, some arent.
And a Banshee with just pipes will get mauled by a 250 2-smoker, with NO pipes. Where do you guys come from. ROFLMAO!! haha
Posted by: motox26
And ot answer the original question....NO! It takes a HIGHLY modded quad to outrun a 250 MXer.
Posted by: motox26
Ooo, that's a good one, avoid the original debate and try and make personal attacks. Take back to the classroom kid. Come back with some real info on MXer's when you decide to grow up and then we'll talk.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: 2stroke4ever
Makes you wonder why they bother having "shootouts" in magazines. Those bikes get hopped up so much that they are completely different bikes when they hit the track and will blow any stocker away. Hell, even the guys at the lower levels do mods that cancel any weaknesses that are pointed out in the shootouts..
That's the same thing I think when it comes to motocross bikes. My 03' CR250 was really weak stock compared to the other 250's that year, but with the mods I have it really rips now.
Plus you can mod them to have whatever type of power delivery you want. Shoot, MyWifesQuad made his CR500 trail friendly with a flywheel change.
Posted by: motox26
LMAO!! You beat a CR500??!! First a 250, now 500's! LOL If you did there has to be something wrong with the bike man! My buddy had a highly modded Shee and it woudln't even tie with a 500!
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
But i may get a crf 230 if i cant harness the power of my kdx220 by the end of the season
HUH?? what the hell does that mean??
This is why I wonder about you. A KDX220 is a higher class of bike than a CRF230. The KDX is taller and faster and is more comparable to a bigger XR, DR, WR or CR250X. Like I said, you're all over the place. You're makin no sense....unless the KDX is too much for you and that's why you're downgrading.
He's got me confused too! A 230 is a beginers bike, or maybe good to put around the pits or something.
Posted by: motox26
You guys are still bickering over this thread?
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: Z40005BR
Let me tell you, a quad can beat a CR250
A quad "can" beat a CR250, but put the same amount of mods in each and see what happens.
Posted by: motox26
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Originally posted by: ChewyR
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Originally posted by: Z40005BR
Got back from the track yesterday... with my new rebuilt lt500 its an 88 but i put $7000 into it, brought my motor to Ducan and they made it so sick. I was thinking on my way to the track that it would be real nice to beat a cr250 with mods so i found a guy. He had a 2002 cr with full fmf and this thing was sick. I dragged him and beat his rear end though by about 4 quad legnths. Let me tell you, a quad can beat a CR250
Well then that's what it takes ~75-80 hp in a quad to beat a Piped 250MXer. Which only proves the original answer to the original post.
"No."
LOL, I don't understand these guys! They compare a quad with over 7 g's in it to a stock CR250.
Posted by: motox26
Plus the 250's doesn't top out at that high of a speed, especially if it was geared lower, but they will get there quick!
Posted by: EAB
I agree with wheelerbob on the 'no' thing. I've seen a YZ125 with a pipe beat a banshee withpipes and carbs.
Posted by: ThrashAndCrashUntilItsTrash
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Originally posted by: TooFast2Pass
You must be a CR250 lover. There would be nothing to watch, but thanks for showing interest. I did read the original post and I know that a Banshee with nothing but pipes and a K&N will take a piped CR250 if the Banshee rider knows his machine. I know this because although it wasn't easy, I beat my good buddys piped 03 YZ250 when my banshee was a stock quad with pipes and a K&N. Now if you've ever owned a YZ 250 and a CR 250 you should be able to tell me that the YZ is quicker and has better power delivery, therefore, a lightly modded Banshee will beat a CR250.
you are correct the YZ will take a CR. But I do think there is an error in you saying a just piped banshee will take a piped CR250......If you get someone other than a 12 year old on the CR, it will kill the shee!
Posted by: ThrashAndCrashUntilItsTrash
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Originally posted by: Whitedog
Cool.... Remember the "fat cats" ? hr>
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Originally posted by: RDZ350
Not sure?Refresh my memory.
LMAO..............It was a 3 wheeler turned into a bike.........I thought they were as ugly as sin!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: 86250rrider
i beat a 2003 yz250 3 times yesterday in a long drag. rolling in 3rd gear every time. blew my mind...didnt think it could be done. he weighs 180 im 230. he got a 15 foot jump each time as soon as he rolled on throttle..and i ran him down all three times. pissed him off. he calls quads couches! his bike was setup for a cross country rider. they told him it was regeared internally(?). it has extreme bottom end power.he asked me if that was full throttle and i said yes. he said his was too. hes the kind of guy who cannot accept defeat so he was suprised. and so was i. i have stock gearing in my r. had i been using a 14 tooth front it would have been worse, but would have taken much longer to run him down. a stock geared yz would have eaten me alive.. im aware of that
Posted by: enFORCER
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Originally posted by: lapeerbanshee
yeah but you could also modd a banshee to over a 100hp .
Yes..... You are correct Sir......
Posted by: enFORCER
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
maybe a new raptor 700 with a pipe could beat a cr250
only if they race in reverse.......
Posted by: slidesquad
a stock 84 cr250 has about 31 hp
and just to let you know in loose sand a piped raptor will beat a 2001 kx250 if i am riding the raptor and if we change riders ill pull the rapter by a bike length thats in loos gravel/sand the atv just hooks better and they are about the same once you hit 3rd and i have been riding dirtbikes for years so dont say i cant ride lol
Posted by: slidesquad
got any pics i love lt500's
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
I can take a piped KX125 and edge out on a YZ250 with my mods, just some comparisons.
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
I seriously doubt that you would be able to run into a MX 250 dirtbike because youll have so much roost in your face you wont be able to tell whats going on.
ha ha thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
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Originally posted by: Speedster700HP
Well let's see---about 40 HP stock (easily moddable to 50 HP) and ~ 200 lbs for the CR, vs similar HP or maybe upper 40s HP and ~350-500 lbs for all the big powerful quads..............what do you think? (Hint: The answer is no).
A 250 2-stroke or comparable MX bike is like an unchained animal next to any quad, especially 4-strokes. hr>
yeah but you could also modd a banshee to over a 100hp so what.
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
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Originally posted by: Raptor0502
lapeer, my son who the he11 puts a twist throttle on a quad. why dont you go get a dirtbike. the only thing that you are twisting is your thumb in your a$$. just because you said that to the big z400BR
im gonna run over the first cr250 i see. im gon take em down charlie brown, mama say knock you out.
I guess its from a person who used to ride bikes and got used to the feeling.
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
My stock 2004 KFX700 beat a KX125 with a pro circuit pipe and reeds this weekend at silver lake sand dunes in the wet sand by the beach...but then he beat me we only raced twice.
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
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Originally posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: lapeerbanshee
My stock 2004 KFX700 beat a KX125 with a pro circuit pipe and reeds this weekend at silver lake sand dunes in the wet sand by the beach...but then he beat me we only raced twice.
I see a lot of wheel spin in that scenario. Get on hard pack or pavement and you won't win. There's usually a logical explanation when a quad gets a fluke win against a bike. Heavy wheel spin combined with a super short drag strip to keep the bike from making up ground is one scenario. A moron on the bike is another.
well i guess thats the difference i wasnt on hard pack....but guess what....I won so it looks like a quad can beat a bike. Did it say anything about the terrain and the race was a little less then a quarter mile. and the kid on the bike knows how to ride. Deal with it your wrong!!
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
thats why i beat it though because quads dont get handicapped and bikes do. quit making excuses and deal with it. Your wrong!!
Posted by: lapeerbanshee
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Originally posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: lapeerbanshee
thats why i beat it though because quads dont get handicapped and bikes do. quit making excuses and deal with it. Your wrong!!
LOL. firstly, I ride quads not bikes so my stance isn't because I prefer bikes. The basis of the question here is very simple. Your twisting it around by basing the quads' drag win on something that isn't supposed to be a factor here. We're talking speed and acceleration PERIOD. Not with handicaps that make one win over the other.
The question here is simple to understand. My explanation (and everyone else's) is simple to understand. If you don't understand any of it, you choose not to because nobody is that dense.
yes we are talking speed and acceleration, so your telling me that bikes have no acceleration in the sand, why is it bikes get handicapped and quads dont, i had holeshot tires and he had some kind of trail tire. this was down in the wet sand, and I was topped out long before the end and he didnt gain an inch on me.
Posted by: warwgn
my 84 TT600 will smoke it and any quad next to it.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Wheelerbob
I bought the factory built kx 250 race bike that Mike keidrowski rode in the 1987 ama supercross series at an auction , and yes it was the real thing it came with a certificate of authenticty from kawasaki and was signed by mike, and let me tell my experience, at the time i also had a cr500 that was piped and jetted, and the 500 was severly put to shame, you could barely kick the 250 over, it had so much more power than the 500 it wasn't even funny, it actually scared the **** out of me. Up until that point i loved the 500 because i'm a big guy 6'4" and i liked the power but the 250 was way to much, it was insane.
Do you still have this bike? It would be cool to just look at.
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Originally posted by: Wheelerbob
Bought it for $4500 and sold it in 92 for $3000, I sold it to a guy here in baltimore it may still be around. But your right it was nothing like like a stock 250, as I said it put my piped 500 to shame.
Im surprised it went down in value so much.
Posted by: mywifesquad
I would have to say no, and will add that if you put the same amount of money into each the CR250 would almost always win. Rider talent on either machine would also effect the result. But with equal money and rider talent for each machine, the dirt bike would always win. Its a result of the power to weight ratio difference.
Posted by: YFZ660R
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Originally posted by: TooFast2Pass
You must be a CR250 lover. There would be nothing to watch, but thanks for showing interest. I did read the original post and I know that a Banshee with nothing but pipes and a K&N will take a piped CR250 if the Banshee rider knows his machine. I know this because although it wasn't easy, I beat my good buddys piped 03 YZ250 when my banshee was a stock quad with pipes and a K&N. Now if you've ever owned a YZ 250 and a CR 250 you should be able to tell me that the YZ is quicker and has better power delivery, therefore, a lightly modded Banshee will beat a CR250.
LOL!! I can't stop laughing at your post!! YOU really think a stock banshee or even piped banshee will beat a 2-stroke Cr250? Your hilarious and full of BS!
Posted by: YFZ660R
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Originally posted by: DIGGEM
What about my highly modified new CR250R inside a 90 fourtrax frame, Check it out at bottom of my sig. Go to page 2 after you get to the site
Nice pics, awesome bikes!!!
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
My friend has a stock CR250 and he beat a lightly modded YFZ easily. He is also very experienced but those 250 2-strokes are wicked fast. So i would have to say no their is not a lightly modded quad that could take a stock Cr250. You would need a Heavy moddded quad to take a stock CR250. Best bet would proably be a Zilla or Banshee.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
Agreed
Posted by: Birdofprey04
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Originally posted by: TooFast2Pass
You must be a CR250 lover. There would be nothing to watch, but thanks for showing interest. I did read the original post and I know that a Banshee with nothing but pipes and a K&N will take a piped CR250 if the Banshee rider knows his machine. I know this because although it wasn't easy, I beat my good buddys piped 03 YZ250 when my banshee was a stock quad with pipes and a K&N. Now if you've ever owned a YZ 250 and a CR 250 you should be able to tell me that the YZ is quicker and has better power delivery, therefore, a lightly modded Banshee will beat a CR250.
Ha ha I dont care how well the guy knows his Banshee he is not beating a CR250, with only pipes and jetting... geez I like Banshees but I know its limitations!
Posted by: spoRtRax450R
i agree with rdz and motox. a piped banshee will get its ass beat by and 250 bike. a piped quadzilla MIGHT have a chance, but i still see the bike winning. now a heavily modded banshee and zilla will beat one. remember the bike has about 45 hp and weighs about 210 pounds. the quadzilla and banshee are close to 400 pounds. (banshee 386, quadzilla 392). the banshee has like 40hp stock and the zilla has about 45-50. so ur not even close. if the bike loses its cause the rider sucks
Posted by: spoRtRax450R
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Originally posted by: 87250xman
What about a cr500 motor in a 250r frame with light mods ?
yes it would win pretty easily. ur talkin 60hp or so for a stock cr500 compared to 48-50 for a zilla
Posted by: DirtRyder420
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Originally posted by: Z40005BR
Hey Ok, I do agree that a cr250 is way faster, I never said it wasnt. But Whoever said that a cr250 is invincible to a pissed of quad rider is wrong. A quad can run one of those over in a snap. Maybe pop the tires and mess it up but you could still do it. By the way i dont hate dirtbikes.
ha.. youd have to catch the CR first
Posted by: ChewyR
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Originally posted by: Z40005BR
Got back from the track yesterday... with my new rebuilt lt500 its an 88 but i put $7000 into it, brought my motor to Ducan and they made it so sick. I was thinking on my way to the track that it would be real nice to beat a cr250 with mods so i found a guy. He had a 2002 cr with full fmf and this thing was sick. I dragged him and beat his rear end though by about 4 quad legnths. Let me tell you, a quad can beat a CR250
Well then that's what it takes ~75-80 hp in a quad to beat a Piped 250MXer. Which only proves the original answer to the original post.
"No."
Posted by: RDZ350
A piped quadzilla should hang close to it in my opinion.A ported banshee will beat it.
Posted by: RDZ350
Stock vs. stock,I think the 250 should win every time.
Posted by: RDZ350
If the motor was stock,I don't think it would.There is still alot of weight difference between the bike and 4-wheeler.Especially since the 500 is not putting out alot more horses than the 250.I'm not sure of exactly how much.Now with some mods it might be possible,but I still think it would take alot of mods to make up for the weight difference.
Posted by: RDZ350
The 250 should run away from the stock banshee.Duh.Banshees are my favorite too.Just how it is.
Let's see what this does.I can beat a stock CR500 with my banshee.Keep in mind,my banshee is no where near stock.The CR500 will run off and leave a piped banshee.
Posted by: RDZ350
But what if the lion was riding a CR250,he might catch the cheetah then.LOL!!
Posted by: RDZ350
I beat a yamaha 250 dirt bike this weekend.
Posted by: RDZ350
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Originally posted by: 2stroke4ever
a YZ250 or some trail bike??
If it was a YZ, I'd have to think something was wrong with the rider or the bike. Sorry.
It was a YZ250.I've beat a CR500 with it too.This was all in sand.You need to know,both dirt bikes were stock.My banshee isn't.I think I done pretty good thank you.
Posted by: RDZ350
I know you guys think there's no way I could beat a dirt bike,but I did.Remember my banshee has more than just pipes.It's already dynoed at the rear wheels at 73 hp.That was with clutches that needed replaced.I'm thinking it should dyno between 75-80.Let me repeat myself.IT'S NOT STOCK!!LOL!I agree with some of what you are saying.A piped banshee shouldn't be able to hang with a 250.Did I mention I beat 2 dirt bikes at Little Sahara?hy don't you ask enforcer what he can do against a 250.On the menu tonight:smoked 250.MMMM Good.
Posted by: RDZ350
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Originally posted by: 2stroke4ever
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
hey man (2strokeforever) i got nothing against bikes, i mean i was just wondering why a raptor 700 could not win. I was just wondering thats all. I mean i got a kawasaki kdx220 myself and im sure i could own most quads but i personally dont think i would have a chance. then again my bike aint meant to race a quad. O well guess i better go buy a bigger bike. maybe like a yamaha yz450.
Like I said in the other thread. I'll ride your stock KDX220 (if you really have one) and I'll beat my quads or just about any stock quads if not all of them...nevermind on a motocrosser which will smoke a KDX220.
And what's this???: " im sure i could own most quads but i personally dont think i would have a chance"...makes no sense to me.
And as for you, RDZ350, LOL, well that's just insane (75HP). That, I can understand, will beat just about anything. But that's just unreal. That must be one hell of a Dune Machine and dragster...though I can't imagine it being much fun on the trails. Too Much.
Actually it's more rideable than you might would think.I sometimes go to a place called sandcreek.I almost never get out of third gear.Around here riding areas are scarce.I still have the stock tranny(no override).The porting gave it more mid range so to me it become more rideable.Real tight trails where you must go slow would be a nightmare on it though.Banshees are not known for being trail rigs anyways.It does run pretty good.I've outrun alot of people,but I've been smoked several times also.Enforcer will out run me all day long.
Posted by: RDZ350
Here's a crazy idea.Crazy enough to work?Think it would be possible to mount an atv paddle tire and rim somehow on a dirt bike.Take the 250 and put in either a stroker crank or a big bore.Maybe add an alcohol carb or nitrous.Sounds fun if you could hang on to it.
Posted by: RDZ350
Not sure?Refresh my memory.
Posted by: TooFast2Pass
Yep. Mine.
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Posted by: TooFast2Pass
You must be a CR250 lover. There would be nothing to watch, but thanks for showing interest. I did read the original post and I know that a Banshee with nothing but pipes and a K&N will take a piped CR250 if the Banshee rider knows his machine. I know this because although it wasn't easy, I beat my good buddys piped 03 YZ250 when my banshee was a stock quad with pipes and a K&N. Now if you've ever owned a YZ 250 and a CR 250 you should be able to tell me that the YZ is quicker and has better power delivery, therefore, a lightly modded Banshee will beat a CR250.
Posted by: TooFast2Pass
I see that your large number of posts on this website puts you in the 'Pro Rider' bracket. Don't let that make you think you know more than others. What do you do for a living? Reply to posts on this site?
Posted by: 87250xman
What about a cr500 motor in a 250r frame with light mods ?
Posted by: jonaddis84
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Posted by: crazyfor4wheels
My friend has a Honda CR250 dirtbike and every quad that he has raced dosent even stand a chance. All he has is a pipe and silencer as far as preformance mods go. My question is,are there any stock or lightly modified quads out there that could beat his bike in a drag?
Posted by: lawnboy2121
Every quad guy keeps crying about building a banshee up to beat a cr250. Put the same money onto the cr moter and it will beat a mod banshee. I have a old cr250 1993 vintage with
little done and have not met a quad that could keep up yet
Posted by: atkrider
its not even the same 250 from the qaud to the bike, very close but the bike puts out about 8-10 more horspower than the quad plus in a bike you you now get a powervalve and that would beat the hell out of any stock qaud, i think the closest stock quad would be a quadzilla and im not a suzuki lover but they sure are fast.
Posted by: Raptor0502
lapeer, my son who the he11 puts a twist throttle on a quad. why dont you go get a dirtbike. the only thing that you are twisting is your thumb in your a$$. just because you said that to the big z400BR
im gonna run over the first cr250 i see. im gon take em down charlie brown, mama say knock you out.
Posted by: Z40005BR
Ok, I know that the banshee has to have a lot of balls to beat it, anything is possible though. In my opinion, all you need to do to the pussy dirtbike is run it over, Lets see it beat a banshee then.
Posted by: Z40005BR
Hey Ok, I do agree that a cr250 is way faster, I never said it wasnt. But Whoever said that a cr250 is invincible to a pissed of quad rider is wrong. A quad can run one of those over in a snap. Maybe pop the tires and mess it up but you could still do it. By the way i dont hate dirtbikes.
Posted by: Z40005BR
Okay, what about an lt500? those are sick quads, im sure one of those can beat a cr 250
Posted by: Z40005BR
For the third time, an lt 500 could probably beat it, also that raptor on albas website will also beat it, so it is possible, just like the possibility that there could be life on another planet........
Posted by: Z40005BR
Got back from the track yesterday... with my new rebuilt lt500 its an 88 but i put $7000 into it, brought my motor to Ducan and they made it so sick. I was thinking on my way to the track that it would be real nice to beat a cr250 with mods so i found a guy. He had a 2002 cr with full fmf and this thing was sick. I dragged him and beat his rear end though by about 4 quad legnths. Let me tell you, a quad can beat a CR250
Posted by: Wheelerbob
no
Posted by: Wheelerbob
Well let me clarify, think of it as a trx250r with same motor but half the weight.
Posted by: Wheelerbob
You should have read the first post the question was is there a stock or lightly modded quad that can beat a piped cr250 and the answer is NO. Don't take that the wrong way with all the mod's on your shee it may very well beat the cr250 but that is still not the question at hand. It would be fun to watch though.
Posted by: Wheelerbob
I'm not a cr250 lover although i have had several of them, I can tell you from my own experience that a stock cr250 beat a stock banshee, I know this because it was mine , for many year's I was a 2 wheeled guy, I have since crossed over to quad's, but back in 1989 my buddy bought a new banshee and of course he thought it was the fastest thing on the planet. At the time i had a cr250 and in several race's including both sand and hardpack drag's I won every time, I know that every rider is different but this is just one example, Just my experience
Posted by: Wheelerbob
I agree it's not fair, I'm just trying to answer his question as best i can, and since i don't currently own a cr250 or a banshee my opinion is unbiased, and is soley based on personal experience.
Posted by: Wheelerbob
The original question was is there any stock or lightly modded quad that can beat a stock cr250 and the answer is no!!. And it is true you can mod a banshee out the wazue, but the fact is mod for mod the bike will win. I bought the factory built kx 250 race bike that Mike keidrowski rode in the 1987 ama supercross series at an auction , and yes it was the real thing it came with a certificate of authenticty from kawasaki and was signed by mike, and let me tell my experience, at the time i also had a cr500 that was piped and jetted, and the 500 was severly put to shame, you could barely kick the 250 over, it had so much more power than the 500 it wasn't even funny, it actually scared the **** out of me. Up until that point i loved the 500 because i'm a big guy 6'4" and i liked the power but the 250 was way to much, it was insane. so back to the question, i've ridden banshee's, raptor's and have owned several modded atc 250r's so you could never tell me that a quad could have as much acceleration as that 250 had, I'm not trying to offend any shee owners but the bottom line is what it is. Just my experience.
Posted by: Wheelerbob
No I don't I sold it in 1992.
Posted by: Wheelerbob
Bought it for $4500 and sold it in 92 for $3000, I sold it to a guy here in baltimore it may still be around. But your right it was nothing like like a stock 250, as I said it put my piped 500 to shame.
Posted by: Wheelerbob
I bought it in the spring of 1988, so when i sold it in the summer of 92 i wasn't really worried about getting top dollar for it. I basically just wanted it gone, once i got into quad's i lost interest in bike's, I actually kept the cr500 longer becuase it was easyier to ride in the trails than the kx was, the kx was to much of a beast and didn't like trails much at all. But after about a year of splitting time between the bike and the quad i sold the 500 too. Quads are just more fun. I haven't ridden a bike since.
Posted by: Toyeboy
NO lightly moded quad has a chance against any 250cc or greater dirtbike, 125cc's are quicker than any stock quad as well, so it would take a lot of heavy and major mods for one to beat a CR 250 or YZ 250 or RM 250..etc.
Posted by: paintballbanshee
quad riders hate to admit it but pretty much, bikes are faster! quads are quick yea but, bikes are faster!!!
Posted by: paintballbanshee
my friend is doin a yamaha 50 project.. hes puttin some kinda like cr85 motor in it and he is reinforcing the frame i cant wait lol its gonna be the quickest little 50 on the block
Posted by: ajd187
There is one quad that will smoke it
Yamaha
Raptor
50
Posted by: dirtbikeguy
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Originally posted by: Z40005BR
Ok, I know that the banshee has to have a lot of balls to beat it, anything is possible though. In my opinion, all you need to do to the pussy dirtbike is run it over, Lets see it beat a banshee then.
Thats too bad that you have to cheat,but I seriously doubt that you would be able to run into a MX 250 dirtbike because youll have so much roost in your face you wont be able to tell whats going on.
Posted by: Speedster700HP
Well let's see---about 40 HP stock (easily moddable to 50 HP) and ~ 200 lbs for the CR, vs similar HP or maybe upper 40s HP and ~350-500 lbs for all the big powerful quads..............what do you think? (Hint: The answer is no).
A 250 2-stroke or comparable MX bike is like an unchained animal next to any quad, especially 4-strokes.
Posted by: Speedster700HP
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
maybe a new raptor 700 with a pipe could beat a cr250
Nope.
Posted by: Speedster700HP
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Originally posted by: Ossapa
why not?
Quite simply, power to weight:
Recent CR250+ pipe = 210 lbs /50+ hp = 4.2 lbs/hp
Typical fat ass quad = 400+ lbs/45 hp = 8.9 lbs
ANY MORE QUESTIONS??!!!! BR>
To be honest, since getting into 2-stroke MXers, most quads seem pretty boring to me unless I have a great place to ride them in to take advantage of their strenths (i.e. sand and mud, wide sweeping turns). Take a ride on a 250 2-stroke MXer and you see just how lazy those big cc 4-stroke, overweight quads are. They may eventually reach a high top speed, but the MXer in front of them will get there way sooner. Now get a 2-stroke screamer like the Banshee or LT500, and you could mod your way in the stratosphere, but with 4-strokes you will probably be eating dust.
Posted by: Speedster700HP
FYI I got to field test this question today against a highly respected, very expensive, perhaps over-hyped quad. The TRX450R has no chance in hell against a CR250R!! I didn't expect it to, but I really let him have it on the trails and we also set up a ~100 yd drag. I immediately jumped out and was gaining hard every second, slapped him like a redheaded step child. He was very cool and nice enough to let me ride the 450. It was quick, and had excellent traction, but the top end power was not as impressive as I was expecting. It was a stocker, but a pipe wouldn't have helped him enough to be anywhere near me (I am piped too ), it was quite ugly. I didn't get a chance to count bike lengths (and it was too dusty anyway), but there were plenty of 'em.
I was a bit disappointed at the supposed high rev capabilities of the new high tech 4-stroke motor. I hear the Yamaha YFZ450 revs higher (10,750 rpm, my CR only revs to about 10,000)and has more top end power than the TRX. One thing's for the sure, the TRX is pretty mild stock but is still a great platform, the handling impressed me more than anything else. The very first corner I came to, I was doing a full lock powerslide as if I had been riding the TRX for years, it was very easy and natural.
Posted by: Ossapa
maybe a new raptor 700 with a pipe could beat a cr250
Posted by: Ossapa
why not?
Posted by: Ossapa
hey man (2strokeforever) i got nothing against bikes, i mean i was just wondering why a raptor 700 could not win. I was just wondering thats all. I mean i got a kawasaki kdx220 myself and im sure i could own most quads but i personally dont think i would have a chance. then again my bike aint meant to race a quad. O well guess i better go buy a bigger bike. maybe like a yamaha yz450.
Posted by: Ossapa
well, i may be selling it anyway to get a crf230. Ive heard they are better
Posted by: Ossapa
no, im just joking with yall, im not gonna get a yzf450. But i may get a crf 230 if i cant harness the power of my kdx220 by the end of the season
Posted by: Ossapa
from what i hear from most people a crf230 is much faster than my kdx220.
Posted by: Speedz
interesting debate,
on hard packed dirt or asfault type drags, with the constraints given at beginning of this post, i can see a cr250 beating a banshee every time...
out in the sand dunes its a different story... lack of traction on the sand kills the 2wheelers..
i've smoked both 250 and 500cc 2stroke dirtbikes with my suzuki LT250 with LT500 motor in it... my suzuki dyno'd 54 hp to the wheels.. just a slightly modded motor trinity side pipe... nothing expensive done.
Posted by: trike
An atc tiger 500r probaly beat even though it's not a quad.
Posted by: trike
Ahh the great debate. Obviously very heated. The thing about quads vs bikes is exactly that, they have more wheels on the ground.. The quad for sure only has similar horsepower to the bike with more weight, but the quad will find lots more grip as they have roughly 4 times the surface area of drive wheel in contact with the dirt. On a surface with plenty of grip, when the bike can get power to the ground efficiently it will always win due to the large power to weight advantage. On a loose surface where the light weight of the bike means most of the power produced goes to wheelspin the quad increase its chances of a win significantly. Finding a surface where the grip advantage comes into play though is very difficult because of the design of the tyres which limit wheelspin on most surfaces. This means on surfaces like dry, boggy sand a loose gravel it will be close but as soon as the bike bites in there will be no competition. Trust me on this, im 3rd year physicist at UWA, i might know a bit about this sought of thinghr>
Dont forget 3 wheels and by the way friction from the 4 wheels also comes into play when your talkin about 2wheels vs 4 wheels.................
Posted by: wheeliepro
Yah a kfz 700 you can put street bike motors in them mine has an r6 motor with a nitrous system. It tops out about 140 mph. But you have to mod your own stabilizers or else you will die, youll start to shake and you wont be able to keep it under control.
Posted by: cr2504me
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Originally posted by: TooFast2Pass
You must be a CR250 lover. There would be nothing to watch, but thanks for showing interest. I did read the original post and I know that a Banshee with nothing but pipes and a K&N will take a piped CR250 if the Banshee rider knows his machine. I know this because although it wasn't easy, I beat my good buddys piped 03 YZ250 when my banshee was a stock quad with pipes and a K&N. Now if you've ever owned a YZ 250 and a CR 250 you should be able to tell me that the YZ is quicker and has better power delivery, therefore, a lightly modded Banshee will beat a CR250.
Ahh the great debate. Obviously very heated. The thing about quads vs bikes is exactly that, they have more wheels on the ground.. The quad for sure only has similar horsepower to the bike with more weight, but the quad will find lots more grip as they have roughly 4 times the surface area of drive wheel in contact with the dirt. On a surface with plenty of grip, when the bike can get power to the ground efficiently it will always win due to the large power to weight advantage. On a loose surface where the light weight of the bike means most of the power produced goes to wheelspin the quad increase its chances of a win significantly. Finding a surface where the grip advantage comes into play though is very difficult because of the design of the tyres which limit wheelspin on most surfaces. This means on surfaces like dry, boggy sand a loose gravel it will be close but as soon as the bike bites in there will be no competition. Trust me on this, im 3rd year physicist at UWA, i might know a bit about this sought of thing
Posted by: CR250767
whaat how much horse does a stock 84 250 have
Posted by: hardcoreatv
omg a CR 250R would smoke any stock quad out there today. Almost all dirtbikes are faster than quads there lighter and more fun.
