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Posted by: brokemybanshee
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You can make anything out run a banshee!
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Even a polaris 4 stroker!!
Thats ok though, you polaris guys live in your own little world and we'll live in the real one.
Posted by: brokemybanshee
Just adding fuel to the fire
Posted by: RAZOR13
Guy if your thinking about DRAGGGGGG RACINGGGGGGGGGG
the BANSHEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats it your frends 370 well beat any 4 stroke ..............................
thats about a 1000$ to 1200$
4 strokes are way more $$$ to get any reall HP's and speed!
because your talking stock today but i promise you will be talking pipes tomarrow once you lose to the fist guy wiyh pipes and your stock on either bikeeeeeeeeee
Posted by: RAZOR13
aint nothing goimg to beat a 582banshee on alky with out motor swaping
PERIOD.....
Posted by: RAZOR13
like i said if its about dragging its a BANSHEE perioddddddddddddddd
Posted by: RAZOR13
Phillup its not stock its a 39fcr on gas never tryed stock carb probly would work but u wouldnt get the full potintial . MAN this is an OLD thread BR>A DAN HALL or D&M 14MIL cheeta banshee will smoke ANY 4STOKE STILL PIERRIODDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
i said it back then ill say it today for drag racing its still the BANSHEE
Posted by: Mr350X
Dude... if built even half way decent, the 370 or 420 banshee will dominate.
(absolutely no question about that)
edit: In accelaration, that is. Chassis/suspention, the Pred will dominate an equal amount.
Posted by: Mr350X
*SHRUG* Banshees and raptors are a close race, and raptors and Preds are a close race.
I think it really depends on the rider. (stock for stock)
A bad rider on the Shee will blow his race very quickly.
Stock for stock, im sure they are very close.
Stroker kits dont increase RPM, but they make more torque and HP to pull much higher gearing.
-Matt
Posted by: Mr350X
Hey Sportyroxx, I trailride my Zilla all the time, its great at lugging around.
Tell me what stock 4 stroke will climb a steeper hill than my Zilla, also.
Posted by: vilnrk
i put a vid clip of my predator running a banshee check it out
enjoy predator bros!! eat it up banshee guys
PREDATOR - vs - BANSHEE
you may want to right click and save as since its close to 2 megs
turbo bobby
Posted by: vilnrk
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Posted by: Sickman80
Instead of asking others, how about trying to ride both and seeing which one you like best for yourself. When I built my quad, I had a 250R engine with a fully built 330 kit and a stock YZ426 engine. According to theory the 2-stroke should have been faster, but in reality the YZ426 was faster than my built 330 in a drag and on the track. A 405 ft drag on grass, the YZ did it in 6.81 sec, the 330 did it in 7.12 sec, which is allot actually. My point is where are you riding? OK, say the banshee is faster in a drag, but if you are in an MX race or in the woods, handling rules and the Banshees don't do that side all that well. Plus conditions are rarely perfect, so a strong thumper has an advantage of being able to find traction where a high-strung 2-stroke will keep you searching for it. Also the 2-stroke will tire you much more than a 4-stroke.
I actually ride a Predator now as well for a sponsor and it runs well, not 43 or 46 HP like some claim, the 43 is with a pipe. I spoke to Gary Jones at WB and he told me that's what they dino'd it at when they put the pipe on, which isn't bad.
If you want my opppinion as everyone else has thiers...If you are strictly going to drag on a prepped drag strip or in the dunes and plan on building it for that, than yea I'd say a shee would be best. But if you are doing anything else, my own personal oppinion is I would rather ride a 440EX, Predator, Z400, or whatever than a Banshee.
But like I said, ride both then decide for yourself.
Adam
PS: Try doing the 90ft triple I was hitting on my Predator (with stock suspension) with a stock Banshee and let me know how you feel when you land... Granted, the Predator's suspension and chassis design in the front-end could be better, but it's definitly better than a Banshee! Point being if you want something you can buy and can ride it in stock form and have fun playing around, the Predator will most likely be better...in my oppinion.
Posted by: RaptorRider660R
Stock for stock drag race Banshee VS Predator = Better Rider wins most of the time. They will be very close just like all the top High performance quads. Stock vs Stock they are all close! Any bozo that will say one will blow the other away stock is just that a BOZO!
If you plan to set it up for drag racing to compete with your friends get the banshee, The Predator will not compete without way too much $$$$$$$
If you want a stock quad the handles nice has excellent suspension and stock for stock will be a much better track and trail quad get the Predator!
Nocando
Posted by: wshrdskin
No he's not sure. The only person here who spoke on this issue with any knowledge and truth was 350X.
Posted by: northjeepster
(predator vs banshee) the ds650 will win unless the banshee has a 12year old on it!!
Posted by: ryenol
Talis? are you sure..
stock for stock my money would go to the predator(maybe not a big margin, but it would be faster)
also my raptor with a pipe, will outrun piped banshees, now if you add porting to the banshee, then the story changes, but if I added the porting to the raptor? who know's.
As for a stroker motor, I have never personally experienced one, but a friend has a 01' banshee, only .020 over, (no stroker) (a few other mods) and he outruns stokers and powervalves alot.........is it him or his shee......I am not sure but it does happen that way.......
for trail riding mostly and jumping alot, I believe that most would be happier with a predator over the banshee, much much better suspension, and more low end. This is not to say the banshee sucks, cause it it fun too, just a different kind of power........
Some say it like potato....some say it like pototo........................
Posted by: YFZRacer
yup pretty much what 350 said sums it up
Posted by: maddog56
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Originally posted by: omahapredator
shee's arnt that fast at all
Stock, no they are no faster than many 4 strokes. But for the cost of a mild upgrade to a 4 stroke you can have a screaming shee.
Posted by: maddog56
The TLD models have upgrades, but not internal engine changes that I know of. I thought some of them came with a slip on pipe, but I cant be sure. I saw an 05 TLD a couple weeks ago and it looked like a stock can to me.
Posted by: Talis
for pure drag racing, the stock banshee is quicker than a stock raptor. put the same mods on both, and the banshee is still faster. rappy's have better suspenders, though. dirtwheels compared these two machines in their feb. issue... currently out on stands.
Posted by: Talis
oops... i read the post wrong! for some reason i read it has raptor vs. banshee... so assume i was talking about the raptor! by the way, are you sure the pred is faster than a banshee?
Posted by: albaBANSHE
yea Id say banshee all the way, except MX or mabey trails
Posted by: AustinONeal
just wait banshee lovers UBETRUN's bike wil be done before we all know it
and doyles raptor runs pretty good for a 686 i raced a T-rex banshee at Little sahara didnt have much toruble with him and he has a it lowered and a big swingarm, i mean hes no enFORCER but hell who is
Posted by: SP700RACER
Stock vs. stock the predator is a little quicker. but once you add pipes, jets and other bolt ons the predator is pretty even out to about 300 ft then the banshee will pull away. If your wanting a drag bike, your going to be happier with the banshee. alot more potential for drag racing. If you want a fast all around atv with great suspension, then your going to like the predator. It's going to have more to do with what your looking to do with the bike. they both have good and bad points. But your not going to see any 125 hp predator engine kit's out there. But it's also nice to just fill up the tank with gas and go. no mixing, no fouled plugs. And a stock predator is not going to be in the same time zone as a big bore banshee. there fast but, not that fast.
Posted by: big14
a im tellin you get a banshee they can be perty fast
Posted by: sportyroxx
ok, in a drag race i say the stock predator will beat the banshee.I like 4-strokes personally, because 2-strokes arent worth crap in trails, or climbing hills.And i heard the predator pulls 46 horses at the rear wheels.
Posted by: dragomni
I am looking into the new Predator and am wondering which is faster in a drag race and top speed, Predator or Banshee. I know the Banshee dynoes 40.5hp to the wheels and the Predator 43hp to the wheels. The Banshee weighing about 375lbs and the Predator about 415lbs. The Predator I feel has a far superior chassis, suspension, and drivetrain, possibly a more efficient machine? I am not considering a Banshee, a friend has a couple of built up ones, 370 and a 420?. I know they should be faster, but how much difference are we talking? A broader and higher torque curve should be able to keep up with a peaky high rpm machine, such as with cars. Anyways, which is faster top speed and in a drag race?
Posted by: dragomni
My main question was stock Banshee vs stock Predator, I kinda went off track there with mentioning my friends built Shee's. Which is faster, stock for stock, Banshee vs Predator. I am thinking the Predator......
When these Banshee stroker kits are done does rpm increase significantly? so top speed would increase without changing gearing, just pulling higher rpm?
Posted by: dragomni
The new issue of ATV sport and other info I have decided on a Predator, Raptor, or DS650, now just to get one. My friend who has the built Shees says he rode a Raptor and it felt slow, well anything will feel slow I assume after riding 70+hp machines for years. Local shop has a Predator, going to check it out again.
Posted by: jb416ex
the SPARKS 686 RAPTOR smoked everything!!!
Posted by: Firehawk1970
Dude,
Unless all you are going to do is drag race in the sand the Predator is a better all around bike.
Posted by: nccracing
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Even a polaris 4 stroker!!Thats ok though, you polaris guys live in your own little world and we'll live in the real one. hr>
OUCH. That hurts so I wont comment..
Posted by: wildchild660R
hey i dont know if were still on the predator vs banshee subject but i found these videos somewhere and it has some stock banshee vs stock predator races. I think the videos are someone's from this site.
http://www.mcww.us/images/predator
Posted by: wildchild660R
plrspredator - remember you can make a banshee kill any other quad in a drag with enough money into it.
Posted by: wildchild660R
Anybody ever find out how much HP that sparks raptor had? Did he and scooby ever race?
Posted by: wildchild660R
ya predator530, some guy also sent a picture into dirtwheels of his turbocharged predator. Forget where his was from though.
Posted by: AboutReady
If it must be a 4 stroke. I'd get a Baja 650, have 2 friends with them.It has great suspension and power wise their ok.The raptor seemed to be missing something, think its horse power.( No offence to raptor owners). Don't know about the Predator.
Posted by: Honda125Fourtrax
You could build up the predator and a predator does beat a raptor in drag c march Dirt wheels shot out
Posted by: biggdawg
vilnrk , man that was awesome.i love it ...img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif" border="0">
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Stock Predators and stock Raptors are neck and neck..depends on the experience of the rider...
I have seen a stock predator at the dunes, I tried to run him but he was in his own little world of charging the hill...
So I waited till he went full throttle up the hill.. I could tell his engine was starting to bog down (we were both run-in stock nobbies charging a very soft sand dune) I caught up ..He had a head start and momentum on his side.. Then I cut in front of him at the last minute missing him by inches, then he proceeded to flick me off... he practically asked for it though....eh so much for that experience...true story!
liquidsand
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uhh..those numbers are wrong bro...
Posted by:
never believe those dam mags...
Posted by:
Whatever!, everyone knows that the Banshee is and will remain the Sand King!! f*&ck that mx crap
Posted by: 2004ds650
atv sport testyed them in loose conditions. banshees favorite NOT. try reading the test with the raptor and banshee in the same issue
Posted by: Coyotechaser
STOCK- Banshee 0-30 mph 3.77 -- 0-45 mph 8.48 -- 20-40 mph 4.23
Predator 0-30 mph 3.21 -- 0-45 mph 6.98 -- 20-40 mph 3.20
atvs
Posted by: Coyotechaser
I got the numbers from the April ATV Sport magazine. Bro, did you have your own test between the two that you know any different?
Posted by: HUEDOGG
i seen a 100hp predator kit on a website i can't remember. true story!
Posted by: predator530
i seen a turbo pred on the net somewhere
Posted by: banshee10
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Originally posted by: dragomni
I am looking into the new Predator and am wondering which is faster in a drag race and top speed, Predator or Banshee. I know the Banshee dynoes 40.5hp to the wheels and the Predator 43hp to the wheels. The Banshee weighing about 375lbs and the Predator about 415lbs. The Predator I feel has a far superior chassis, suspension, and drivetrain, possibly a more efficient machine? I am not considering a Banshee, a friend has a couple of built up ones, 370 and a 420?. I know they should be faster, but how much difference are we talking? A broader and higher torque curve should be able to keep up with a peaky high rpm machine, such as with cars. Anyways, which is faster top speed and in a drag race?
in a drag a banshee will beat any atv ok so get a banshee if you are drag racing but if you will get on a track get a predator ok.
Posted by: nitroman
My bro has a banshee and hes got all kinds of up grades and my cousin has a predator and we went out and dragged and the pred and banshee was about the same speed for the first 500 ft but the the banshee pulled away but when we went on the track there is really no fourwheeler that can match the predator . It really ate up the zilla and banshee in teh turns. OUt of these bikes pred is the best on to get unless u like working in teh garage 24/7
Posted by: nitroman
Firehawk 1970 is right. Banshee is probably a lil faster if it is boared out. But stock to stock teh pred will win . The pred is an awesome all around bike and if ur thinking about which bike to get pred or banshee there is 100% no doubt pred.
Posted by: Bigtwin
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Originally posted by: jb416ex
the SPARKS 686 RAPTOR smoked everything!!!
Yea and Doug Jan out in Cali with my old Zilla and the Sea Do Rotax in it will out run that. It is all about $$$$. I owened a Zilaa and as far as normal size trail riding it was hard it was a great big ol quad!
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Posted by: Trx86250r
im not scared of any craptor il race ya with my cbr900rr sand dragster 200hp to the wheels without the nitrous and why the heck are people still replying to this post its like three years old
Posted by: Bradracer18
lol......5 grand......For 5 grand, you could about all the predator you could handle at Nicholas Cycle.
Posted by: enFORCER
WoW, this is the older than dirt threadimg src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
Posted by: enFORCER
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Originally posted by: steroidboy
I have a 05 predator 500 with a full system HMF exhaust and a 560 big bore kit...any bike that ive been up against ive beat them....ive beaten raptors..yfz...banshees...i have over 5 grand in my bike..and questions ..my email is Quintonr500@yahoo.com or my aol name is Big Juiced
5 grand is alot of money...... You should have more mod's than what you have listed...
Posted by: enFORCER
Hmmmm, drag racing huh? Can I play?
Posted by: enFORCER
Hmmm man, I was just sitting here the other day and I was thinking, I sure do hope somebody digs up that Predator vs Banshee thread that is like 9 months old......
Posted by: RAJ
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Originally posted by: yfz450trx400ex
I've never seen a drag between a peredator and a banshee, but I've raced banshee's and predators on my yfz, and the stock/near stock banshees hang with me better than the predators do. In my opinion, I think that the predator is pretty much useless. I love polaris for snowmobiles and farm quads, but they have no business building sport bikes. get a honda or yamaha 450 and I think that you'll be much happier. My buddie has a stroked 409 banshee with all kinds of crap done to it, and he only beats me by around 20 feet at the most, no matter how long the race. and my yfz is almost stock. And my buddie is a dang good rider. Anyway, get a 450 and call it good.
LOL......they are alot of stupid people. Hey i know what I have a friend in eugene, Oregon that has a Pred, line that useless yfz up agaist him and get your EDIT handed to you! I can set up the race for ya.....how does that sound? They are no way in hell that a stock banshee is going to give you a better race then a stock Pred!
Posted by: RAJ
The TLD comes with gas shocks thats it, other then that it's stock, the Pred L.E comes with a Pure Polaris slip on.
Posted by: thewayout420
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Originally posted by: spoRtRax450R
1st he brings back an old thread, then gives false info. the predator actually was the one with the faster top speed. also the raptor caught back up because of the crappy tld gearing
the gearing cant be all that crappy if the raptor didnt catch up untill it hit 5th gear,and they never said the raptor passed the predator in 5th they only said it caught up,so what makes it so crappy?
Posted by: thewayout420
who cares,the predator was still in front and won the race..WHAT MORE CAN YA WANT IN A MACHINE?
Posted by: heatseeker8
extremely old thread alert!..some of these members arent even around anymore!
Posted by: heatseeker8
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Originally posted by: steroidboy
I have a 05 predator 500 with a full system HMF exhaust and a 560 big bore kit...any bike that ive been up against ive beat them....ive beaten raptors..yfz...banshees...i have over 5 grand in my bike..and questions ..my email is Quintonr500@yahoo.com or my aol name is Big Juiced
Umm in your sig. you SAY its stock??
And to say the DS is not a good bike..for who?.... You?
I smell BS...
Posted by: omahapredator
ok ...for one thing preds and shee's are in 2 different classes for drag racing!!! so it really doesn't matter ...i have smoked a lot and been smoked by some....2 different kinds of power!!! i used to own a shee before my pred and wouldn't trade back for the world!!! but on shee it will take more than a pipe jet kit and filters to beat a pred with some mods....JMO
Posted by: omahapredator
shee's arnt that fast at all
Posted by: iwannaride2
truthfully i dont know which one is faster at a drag race but i am sure you will do more than that. you can't really look at a bike just for speed. I would go with the four stroke predator b/cause you will probably start riding trails and you can't just lugg around on a 2 stroke you have to keep your rpms up. i am not saying 2 strokes are bad just not as good for woods or hillclimbs and jou have to rebuild them a lot....
Posted by: bansherider25
I m reading the issue with the 660 vs predator and it says that the predator gets the jump but the raptor always catches up. It also says the raptor is 1.7 miles faster on the top. And as far as i know the banshee and the rap are pretty close stock for stock but I m gonna say but a pipes, silencers, and a jet kit on each of these machines and the banshee is gonna take the cake.
Posted by: ubertrailblazer01
the pred is better looking
Posted by: Banshee392
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Originally posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
I think both the Raptor and the predator are faster than a banshee in a stock vs stock drag race.
Actually the Raptor and Shees take wins back and forth. They are pretty evenly matched stock vs stock, usually the better rider wins.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
When you compare the Raptor and the Pred its always going to come down to the rider. They are so close off the line mid-range and top end, but i did read something about crapy gearing between 4th and 5th gear on the preddy. They said it felt like it was shifting into a huge overdrive, and that the revs really droped.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
I think both the Raptor and the predator are faster than a banshee in a stock vs stock drag race.
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
Cant mess with a modded shee
Posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
Make it fair?
Posted by: spoRtRax450R
1st he brings back an old thread, then gives false info. the predator actually was the one with the faster top speed. also the raptor caught back up because of the crappy tld gearing
Posted by: spoRtRax450R
well if it is quicker out of the hole and has a higher top speed, then why is the raptor able to gain back some ground???? that crappy gap between 4th and 5th thats why!
Posted by: spoRtRax450R
the standards gearingif u want those shocks and tires so much buy the standard and get the rezzys for the shocks and the tires when ur stock ones wear out
Posted by: DriverDoyle
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Edited by ATV Connection Moderator
....BR>
smkmup...Were you from.....We have a few rappys i would like you to meet......
Posted by: DriverDoyle
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hes calling u out buddy, smkmup is right though A good banshee rider is very fast, and may even be able to beat a raptor
I dont matter what anyone rides......Its how deep your pockets are......
Posted by: DriverDoyle
nevermind...{Edit}
Posted by: DriverDoyle
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Thats ok...I already read it before you edited it...
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If you werent so far I'd race ya with out my nos...haha
LOL....I would run ya with the NOS......Well you would prob need the NOS...Just so you would be close enough to smell the 111 coming out my exhaust....BR>
But you do have a sweet banshee....
Posted by: DriverDoyle
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Hmmmm, drag racing huh? Can I play?
ummmm NO........enFORCER....lol...There is not alot of people on here that is on your level....Dollarbillz and AustinOneal mite wanna play......
Look....smkmup here is a little video...I can keep her on the ground a little better now.....
Posted by: phillup
hey razor 13 does ur 465 ex run on a stock carb or alchohol carb. do u also know if the 465 kit kit can run on a stock carb?
Posted by: love2tinker
They are both very fast machines. I would definitely have to say the Banshee has more power on the top end. The motors have to get screamin before they do any talking. The Predator has got balls too though. The motor is still a screamer but it has a little more power in the midrange than a Banshee.
I have ridden both of these machines and will say that for sheer comfort the Predator is a better choice.
As far as drag racing goes, me and my buddy have raced on a dirt road on one of those perfect nights (cool,calm, just perfect for a motor) and the Predator won...several times...but only because of traction. The Predator sits a lot wider than the Banshee, so I would repeatedly hook up and pull away. The Banshee had me until it hit 3rd gear then it began to spin wildly.
I think they would be very close on pavement. I have beaten a '85 ATC250R on pavement if that tells anyone anything...and it was piped and jetted.
Wes
Posted by: yfz450trx400ex
I've never seen a drag between a peredator and a banshee, but I've raced banshee's and predators on my yfz, and the stock/near stock banshees hang with me better than the predators do. In my opinion, I think that the predator is pretty much useless. I love polaris for snowmobiles and farm quads, but they have no business building sport bikes. get a honda or yamaha 450 and I think that you'll be much happier. My buddie has a stroked 409 banshee with all kinds of crap done to it, and he only beats me by around 20 feet at the most, no matter how long the race. and my yfz is almost stock. And my buddie is a dang good rider. Anyway, get a 450 and call it good.
Posted by: yfz450trx400ex
Hey, Iv'e never said that I can't be wrong, I said that my opinions where from in my experience, that's the only information that I can give. As to me racin your buddy, anytime. I'm not sayin I'd win, I'm not sayin that I wouldn't. I'll race anybody, I lose a lot of times, but that's because I'll race you no matter what. I just wanna have a good time, and I'll race anybody. I really doubt that a pred would hang with me, that is unless he's got quite a bit of coin into his bike. If that's the case, than it would't really be a huge deal if he did beat me, 'couse I'm almost stock! Anyway, I doubt he'd beat me, but I've been wrong before, and maybe I am now also.
Posted by: yfz450trx400ex
Oh, and I forgot to mention, I got to florence about twice a week, and I'd race your buddy anytime when I'm over there. Like I said, I'll race anybody. I don't care if I dont have a chance of winning, it's still fun! Again though, unless he's put some serious wrench time and money into that pred of his, I really don't see it beating me. Whatever though.
Posted by: yfz450trx400ex
I don't know what's different about the troy lee over the regular limiteds, but yamaha's limiteds are just different colors. Limited editions just have different plastics, and sometimes a powdercoated frame. Maybe the troy lee has some bolt-ons, I don't know, but the limiteds don't.
Posted by: untouchable350
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Originally posted by: sportyroxx
ok, in a drag race i say the stock predator will beat the banshee.I like 4-strokes personally, because 2-strokes arent worth crap in trails, or climbing hills.And i heard the predator pulls 46 horses at the rear wheels.
Dude are you nuts As i recall the motor on the banshee was built for hillclimbing in the 70's so where did you hear they wernt good climbers, thank you for your two cents.
Posted by: untouchable350
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Originally posted by: bansherider25
I m reading the issue with the 660 vs predator and it says that the predator gets the jump but the raptor always catches up. It also says the raptor is 1.7 miles faster on the top. And as far as i know the banshee and the rap are pretty close stock for stock but I m gonna say but a pipes, silencers, and a jet kit on each of these machines and the banshee is gonna take the cake.
Keep in mind also bansherider that the predator is a troy lee version with hop ups cant remember about raptor but i think it wasw stock
Posted by: untouchable350
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Originally posted by: spoRtRax450R
1st he brings back an old thread, then gives false info. the predator actually was the one with the faster top speed. also the raptor caught back up because of the crappy tld gearing
I agree with sportrax450r plus the predator was a troy lee version vs stock rappy
Posted by: untouchable350
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Originally posted by: thewayout420
who cares,the predator was still in front and won the race..WHAT MORE CAN YA WANT IN A MACHINE?
Did you guys even read the article, the predator had hop ups to make it fair?
Posted by: untouchable350
as i recall it was a troy lee, meaning limited edition it had some hopups done to it. why i dont know but why was the raptor stock?
Posted by: DsDemonKid
you know the era of the shee is over when you can dusted by a 500lb quad...got beef then lets grill it
Posted by: DieselTech
Wow.....what an old thread......VERY entertaining.
I will agree that for outright power, the Banshee engine has the most potential of any stock engine put in any ATV to date. It's a 2-stroke, so it has a power pulse every crank rotation (unlike a 4-stroke, which has a power pulse every other crank rotation), not to mention it has no valvetrain (which means it revs faster, and has the potential to rev higher). But, since it is a twin cylinder engine, it actually has a power pulse every 180 degrees of crank rotation. Now, granted, the cylinders (stock) are less than 175cc each, but still......the power is smoother than that of a 4-stroke. Like ANY 2-stroke, it must be kept in the "powerband" to make the most of it's power. This CAN create a traction issue - and loss of traction=loss of forward momentum. Ever watch IHRA/NHRA drag racing? What happens when the tires break loose? They go up in smoke and the car goes nowhere FAST!
I had an '87 'Shee, and currently own a '99. Both were(are) lightly modded. I have ridden a few different ATV's in my lifetime, including Raptors and a DS650, and I prefer my 'Shee. As in ANY type of racing, you are limited by only 2 things: 1)Rules, and 2)Available $$$. As far as potential - the Banshee engine is hard to beat, but it takes a certain type of rider to maximize that power. I've heard this before, in reference to the new 4-strokes that are replacing the 2-strokes (these were bike guys that ride MX) - "The new 4-strokes are for the lazy man, and are easier to ride fast. But the 2-strokes are faster in the right hands." I think there's truth in that statement.
As for suspension & handling, well stock, the Banshee is not as good as the newer quads. But, it is pretty much unchanged since 1987 (well, we did get A-arms to replace the old J-arms at least)! So, what do you expect? With the proper mods, the suspension can be made just as good, I'm sure. So, it comes down to 2 things: 1)Intended riding, and 2)Available $$$.
IMHO, nothing can beat that "seat of the pants" feel that a 2-stroke like the Banshee has! Oh, and just for comparison's sake, my 13 y/old's '98 YZ80 is faster than a stock Raptor 350! As for having to rebuild the 2-strokes frequently.....well, that can be reduced by proper fuel mixing, and it's alot easier (and cheaper) to rebuild a 2-stroke than a 4-stroke (no valvetrain to worry about). That includes when things break (and if you've got $$$ into them, they WILL break). More maintenance? Maybe. Depends (like anything else) on the rider........
Posted by: steroidboy
I have a 05 predator 500 with a full system HMF exhaust and a 560 big bore kit...any bike that ive been up against ive beat them....ive beaten raptors..yfz...banshees...i have over 5 grand in my bike..and questions ..my email is Quintonr500@yahoo.com or my aol name is Big Juiced
Posted by: paintballbanshee
deiseltech
woah thats a good post u just made dude... umm yeah ur right about the rider thing, id hate to say it but im a 4 stroke rider, i am perfect at 4 strokes, on 2 strokes its a different ballgame im not that good.. and whoever says yfz450s and banshees feel alike with the power is wrong its completely different 2 me.. umm yea well ive seen a piped banshee vs. a piped preadtor and the banshee won every race so i guess id say banshee
Posted by: paintballbanshee
yea wow 2003, how bout we stop usin the thread and then in another 2 years we come back 2 it
Posted by: paintballbanshee
hes calling u out buddy, smkmup is right though A good banshee rider is very fast, and may even be able to beat a raptor
Posted by: Webopper
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Originally posted by: heatseeker8
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Originally posted by: steroidboy
I have a 05 predator 500 with a full system HMF exhaust and a 560 big bore kit...any bike that ive been up against ive beat them....ive beaten raptors..yfz...banshees...i have over 5 grand in my bike..and questions ..my email is Quintonr500@yahoo.com or my aol name is Big Juiced
Umm in your sig. you SAY its stock??
And to say the DS is not a good bike..for who?.... You?
I smell BS...
Yep, not hard to catch a wiff of the stench coming off that post.
Posted by: TrXFoFiddyR
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Posted by: Speedster700HP
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Originally posted by: Coyotechaser
STOCK- Banshee 0-30 mph 3.77 -- 0-45 mph 8.48 -- 20-40 mph 4.23
Predator 0-30 mph 3.21 -- 0-45 mph 6.98 -- 20-40 mph 3.20
atvs
In 8 seconds (with traction), Banshees have often been at 85mph with some mods in 1/8th mile drags, think about it, 0-45 mph in 8 seconds in slower than MINIVAN!! And a Banshee would definitely stomp a minivan, especially 0-45 mph and/or the 1/8th mile.......
Posted by: BADSHEE
Old post but i thought i would add my 2cents.
i bought my banshee for 1700.00 stock, i have since added a lonestar axel and hubs vito's power pistons, hi rev cdi, ricky stator and flywheel, boost bottle, toomy t-6 pipes and silencers, jet kit, shaved the head, and new rims i hated the gold witch didnt do sh@t for power but i gotta tell you the other things sure did and im still under 3k invested. i race my buddies on 450r's well i let them think they can keep up but i dont like riding alone......... i dont know anything that can keep up and as far as trail riding its allot of fun! i have also installed an aftermarket car transmission cooler inline that keeps it cool. I'm going to try cam 2 soon but havnt gotten around to it i dont need it but want to see how much of a gain it gives me. the one thing i really notice since doing all the work is that 6th gear is really usable now power till it runs out of rev " witch is pretty freakin fast!" 4 strokes and tampons have allot in common lol but seriously never felt the same rush on a four stroke.
Posted by: BADSHEE
Sounds like another one of the big fours needs to go to school??????
Posted by: ojcool
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Originally posted by: sportyroxx
ok, in a drag race i say the stock predator will beat the banshee.I like 4-strokes personally, because 2-strokes arent worth crap in trails, or climbing hills.And i heard the predator pulls 46 horses at the rear wheels.
Uhh what planet are you from. The banshee is the best hill climbing quad there is. Thats why it dominates the dunes.
Posted by: smkmup
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Originally posted by: nitroman
Firehawk 1970 is right. Banshee is probably a lil faster if it is boared out. Quote
Boring the cylinder out isnt making the quad any more power unless your talking a big bore....Porting will add the power....
Stock vs stock the banshee will win...
Piped vs Piped the banshee will win...
If your biggest concern is racing dont buy a predaturd
Posted by: smkmup
Posted by: smkmup
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Originally posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
I think both the Raptor and the predator are faster than a banshee in a stock vs stock drag race.
Are you a kidding me...That is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read... Oh let me guess, thats what Dirtwheels told you to think...
Posted by: smkmup
Raptors arent much better then the predaturd....It takes skill to ride a banshee as you know...Get a good rider on that shee (someone that actually knows how to ride a quad without a briggs and straton powerband) and race vs a raptor and the shee will win...
Posted by: smkmup
Horsepower ratings dont mean "much" they do mean something dont get me wrong but I'd rather have 33 usuable horsepower instead of 42 horsepower quad that I can only use in certain areas of the powerband...It's all about the powerband...
Posted by: smkmup
I'm in Michigan...I dont know if my drag 370 banshee will be able to compete...lmfao And if you want trails you may be able to beat my little 350 banshee with your turd...hahaha NOT... Heres a pic for you of my shee's...Even though the more apropriate picture is the back view since thats all you'd see...Did I mention nos on the dragger? I aint no bench racer either so if your challenging but some money up...
My shee's
Posted by: smkmup
Thats ok...I already read it before you edited it...
If you werent so far I'd race ya with out my nos...haha
Posted by: smkmup
Looks pretty fast...but i'm pretty confident in my trail snail giving you a run let alone wasting torco on the dragger...
Posted by: YFZ450Rider420
Honestly I dont see why predators get any revier....Ive raced my YFZ against 2 of them and riddin both that i crushed and they SUCK... Way too top heavy, short as heck power curve, turn like a top heavy bus, and land like a tank....You guys should really look at the 450 class...they cost more for a reason...but i am a previous Banshee owner and will vouche for their speed and nimbleness, yeah the gear ratios are super close and quick, but with some pro circuit pipes that'll broad that out...and yeah it kinda sux in the tight trails because you always have to shift to keep it in the power band, but if done so correctly...its certainly not slower than a 4 stroke...unless you put it vs the YFZ450...it has tourqe like a big bore 4-stroke yet runs R's like a 2stroke on crack...stock redline is 12,000 RPMs...dare any other quad to even try it.
Posted by: YFZ450Rider420
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Originally posted by: BADSHEE
Old post but i thought i would add my 2cents.
i bought my banshee for 1700.00 stock, i have since added a lonestar axel and hubs vito's power pistons, hi rev cdi, ricky stator and flywheel, boost bottle, toomy t-6 pipes and silencers, jet kit, shaved the head, and new rims i hated the gold witch didnt do sh@t for power but i gotta tell you the other things sure did and im still under 3k invested. i race my buddies on 450r's well i let them think they can keep up but i dont like riding alone......... i dont know anything that can keep up and as far as trail riding its allot of fun! i have also installed an aftermarket car transmission cooler inline that keeps it cool. I'm going to try cam 2 soon but havnt gotten around to it i dont need it but want to see how much of a gain it gives me. the one thing i really notice since doing all the work is that 6th gear is really usable now power till it runs out of rev " witch is pretty freakin fast!" 4 strokes and tampons have allot in common lol but seriously never felt the same rush on a four stroke.
I dont know if you know ANYTHING about quads as youve just told everyone you want to CAM a frigging 2-stroke....2 STROKES DONT HAVE CAMS!!!!
Posted by: YFZ450Rider420
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Originally posted by: Speedster700HP
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Originally posted by: Coyotechaser
STOCK- Banshee 0-30 mph 3.77 -- 0-45 mph 8.48 -- 20-40 mph 4.23
Predator 0-30 mph 3.21 -- 0-45 mph 6.98 -- 20-40 mph 3.20
atvs
In 8 seconds (with traction), Banshees have often been at 85mph with some mods in 1/8th mile drags, think about it, 0-45 mph in 8 seconds in slower than MINIVAN!! And a Banshee would definitely stomp a minivan, especially 0-45 mph and/or the 1/8th mile.......
Well said...no banshee takes 8 seconds to get to 45 mph...i owned a 96 banshee and ide have it topped out at 75 MPH stock in under 8....have you ever heard a banshee run gears????apparently not...
Posted by: YFZ450Rider420
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Originally posted by: smkmup
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Originally posted by: Raptor660Rshee350
I think both the Raptor and the predator are faster than a banshee in a stock vs stock drag race.
Are you a kidding me...That is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read... Oh let me guess, thats what Dirtwheels told you to think...
i don't know, i really dont even like the raptor but when ihad my 96 banshee, and my buddy had a 2002 raptor... we'd race on pavement (no traction worries to cry or blam) and we'd run pretty damn close...but as far as a predator...polaris just sucks... what the hell were you thinking in the first place? They make half decent snowmobiles,thats it, and even those bow down to an artic cat.
Posted by: DontgivafuqChuck
first of all, no point in owning a (stock banshee) with stock pipes, being that it only pulls 33hp at rear wheels with the hellashish restricted air flow, take an air box out, put on some dual air filters and tweek the carbs and get some pipes, all Very moderate uprades and then i see the point in comparing the "new" predator to the Still 1987 banshee.
Posted by: DontgivafuqChuck
good post, i totally agree. 33 very POTENTIAL hp is totally over ='d over 42 , pretty much , maxed out hp.
Posted by: duneracer500
if you race them stock.. the predator should get it by a couple feet.. but if you race them when they're both modded.. then the banshee would prob get it by about 1 or 2 quad legnths.. where the banshee is two stroke and it responds better to mods than the predator..
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Posted by: duneracer500
vilnerk dude that was a SWEET video..
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Posted by: PredTLD
I own an 05 TLD predator and I have raced a YFZ450 and a 660 raptor and I beat both of them. I beat the YZF by a good amount and my atv is stock TLD. My friend has his YFZ jetted and piped... I was really surprised I beat him. I didn't know how it would compare to the other atvs. I was pleasantly surprised. And he was a good rider. He got the jump on me, but I caught back up to him and passed him. I am not hear to argue which is better or anything, but I know what my atv did... The predator isn't slow by any means. However, it does have its flaws like any other atv out there...
Posted by: cbr600_banshee
i have a 1989/1996 banshee. i ride all trails, i am gonig to get new suspension, cauz the stocks sucks, i have races ds650's and won. the only mods i have is vitos pistons, and toomeys. banshee will win any day. and you are talking about 349cc banshee vs. a 500cc predator. 500cc banshee vs 500cc predator, that would be a good one.
