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Posted by: AlkyBurninX
Every time I race my buddies 86 atc250r, he loses. Stock for stock and piped for piped. He even has an aftermarket carb and I still beat him.
Posted by: AlkyBurninX
The only way for a banshee to run 85 mph with stock gearing is to turn it to 14,000 rpm. Since stock pipes and airbox limit the rpms to about 9000, it can't do it.
Posted by: chipdog4
I'm not for certain what a stock banshee does, but my brothers goes close to triple digits, but its far from stock. Nothing in the northern part of our county will touch it.
I wouldn't think an ATC will go more than 75-80 mph, so I don't see why you guys are saying the R will win when Banshee's, out of the box, will run somewhere around 85+ mph.
Posted by: ATC250Rrider
Sigh....this is such a lame post, but find myself posting. Anyway. They are both fast bikes. The 85-86 250R bike, in stock form is as fast as the Banshee, but it does depend on the rider. Most bikes are designed to have a maximum top end speed from the factory. I'm sure that the manufacturers can get more out of a 350cc twin motor (such as the TZ350 ?? road bike), but don't. The Raptor's 660cc motor is a dog compared to an R6....why? because it is detuned so they don't purposly kill someone. The bikes were designed with a specific top end speed in mind. The banshee and 250r were to top out in the 70-75 mph range. When I got my first R, we raced our freind's banshee a hundred times. Most of the time the ATC beat the banshee, but not by much. The bike also weighs about 100 lbs less.
Here was a ice race we did last winter. This was a 250cc ATC with reeds, carb, pipe, porting, etc vs a banshee with the equivalent setup.
http://home.comcast.net/~durchanek2/250r159.wmv
Pay attention to the top end speed. We are about the same.....so now I have a 330 motor.
Posted by: ATC250Rrider
Tellico...think before you speak. Of course it's how you build the motor that matters, but the bottom line is that there are several design decisions that have been made by the manufacturers prior to you even getting the bike. The point I was trying to make is that if the manufacturers of the bikes wanted an ATV that did 150mph, then they would build one. That was the purpose of the R6 / Raptor comparison. Not whether or not the R6 and Raptor are a good comparison in a race. Do you get it now!?!!?!? The motors are produced at the factory to make a maximum amount of power. If you want to take it from there, then that's up to you.
Posted by: TomM
I think it has to do a lot with the condition of the 250R. Some run like new, some are ragged out POSs and there are those in between. My friends 84 250R couldn&39;t take my nearly stock 86 LT250 because it had bad bearings, rust/dirt under the flywheel causing it to misfire and was geared way to high. Had it been my 250R I would replace the bearings, cleaned up the coils and geared it down to go 70 or so instead of 80-85. Then it would have killed my LT.
This is the case with all old quads/atcs. Quadzillas for instance, some won&39;t hang with a stock Banshee because they run like crap and need maintenance and some will smoke a piped Banshee because they&39;ve been taken care of and run like they are supposed to.
Posted by: twentycharacters
if the 250r can keep the front end down, its over. seen this race many times.
a stock atc 250r is a bad dude.
Posted by: HA2
out of the box im pretty sure the shee will win. overall potential is virtually endless for both.
Posted by: HA2
banshees are embarassing slow out of the box and the R's even more. you guys have to remember that these things hauled back in the day (80's) but show up at the drags (glamis) with anything less than a ported and uncorked shee or R and youll be getting beat by most of the 4 strokes that show up.
and your ricer friend probably had 18" rims that made the speedo completely inaccurate.
Posted by: HA2
ummm, what are you talking about?
Posted by: kruzoffman
the banshee will win
Posted by: Rdogg450
I say stock for stock the ATC will win if it is an 85 or 86 and running healthy.
Posted by: Rdogg450
A Banshee will not run 85mph + out of the box.
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: Rdogg450
A Banshee will not run 85mph + out of the box.
You would be surprised what a banshee will run out of the box!!! A friend of mine who had a 99 shee went down the local Highway racing a friend in his RICER honda(LOL, ugliest thing in the world) and when he topped out he was doing 82 or 83 so the cars speedometer said, but then it couldve been wrong, coincidentally though, the police caught up with him and slapped him with a "wreckless driving" ticket!!!!!!! LOL!!!!! He's lucky he didnt end up in jail!!!!!!!!!! By the way I was told this by the driver of the car, so giver or take MPH!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: ATC250Rman
I am talking about you say that if you show up at Glamise with nothing that ported and uncorked R I will get smoked. Well yes I will agree on that, but if I went to Glamise with engine work it will be a whole different ball game.
Then you might run in to some of those Triple Cylinder shee's running on alcohol/methanol!!!! MAJOR HP!!!
Posted by: TellicoGrizz660
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Originally posted by: ATC250Rrider
Sigh....this is such a lame post, but find myself posting. Anyway. They are both fast bikes. The 85-86 250R bike, in stock form is as fast as the Banshee, but it does depend on the rider. Most bikes are designed to have a maximum top end speed from the factory. I'm sure that the manufacturers can get more out of a 350cc twin motor (such as the TZ350 ?? road bike), but don't. The Raptor's 660cc motor is a dog compared to an R6....why? because it is detuned so they don't purposly kill someone. The bikes were designed with a specific top end speed in mind. The banshee and 250r were to top out in the 70-75 mph range. When I got my first R, we raced our freind's banshee a hundred times. Most of the time the ATC beat the banshee, but not by much. The bike also weighs about 100 lbs less.
Here was a ice race we did last winter. This was a 250cc ATC with reeds, carb, pipe, porting, etc vs a banshee with the equivalent setup.
http://home.comcast.net/~durchanek2/250r159.wmv
Pay attention to the top end speed. We are about the same.....so now I have a 330 motor.
Atc250, the comparison between the R6 and the Raptor is the most rediculous comparison I have ever seen!!! The R6 is a 4cylinder machine!!! Of course its going to waste the Raptor!!!!! But I defiantely agree that the manufacturers do limit the machines TRUE capabilities in stock form, in truth, its all about how you tune the bike and build it that determines its true potential......
Posted by: ATC250Rman
Posted by: ATC250Rman
hey does anyone know if the ATC250R is faster than the 350Banshee, I think the R will beat it because it is about 100 pounds lighter.
Posted by: ATC250Rman
hey I m not sure what a banshee will do but It really depends on the rider on the bike, you can have the fastest bike in the world and a little 200X can beat you because you cannot shift the bike get it. I have an 86 ATC 250R and I was racing a YZ125(LOL) anyway we were racing and racing and he kept whooping my A**, then my friend jacaob got on it and SMOKED him, and he has a 690 long rod raptor on racing gas. So my point is that most of it is the rider, for sure.
Posted by: ATC250Rman
hey I will show up with my 250R ATC secret engine work. and built by sparks, I will put money down and gurantee I will smoke you or anyone at the drags, I am going to pismo the 4th I will blow by 450 and banshees like there standing still,and trust me ive raced them there nothing compared to my R.
Posted by: ATC250Rman
I am talking about you say that if you show up at Glamise with nothing that ported and uncorked R I will get smoked. Well yes I will agree on that, but if I went to Glamise with engine work it will be a whole different ball game.
Posted by: ATC250Rman
I think stock for stock the R will win and the reason is because it is alot lighter, but the main part is it is mostly the rider of the bike too.
- 1986 ATC250R w/ DG pipe, and silencer.
Posted by: Bozman505
There is alot more than which is faster there both as fast as you want for the right $$$$.
I have an 85 250R ATC with major port work on the stock jugg, racing pipe, 38mm mikuni and a few more goodies I am into it about $3300.
I have raced Banshees on dirt, sand, public roads about 2 out of 10 are worth running with.
The other 2 always have some major HP and for that you need $$$$ when you need 2 parts for the twin motor. That will put them double the price or more. The same goes for all the new 4strokes sure they look good but $7000 and you still need about $1500-2500 to keep up with my trike on the sand.
I have a 02 cannondale 440 for $7000 it dont come close.
If I put a few Gs in my R to even the price diff then see what whats faster.
250R ATC I think the best bang for your buck.
Posted by: atcpowermadman
ok look it all depends stock for stock and the LOCATION!!! in the dunes the banshee woudl ahve a slight advantage b/c it can turn the revs a little quicke rto ge tthe sand moving but in dirtroads and tighter windy roads and such it woudl be pretty much dead even ihave smoked alot of banshee's and io have been smoked b4 too but i dont realyl se ethe pointin arguing about it b/c wether uahve a banshee or an r it doesnt matter u have fun on it and have a blast either way am i right or am i wrong???if anyoen has anyother questiond dont be afraid to post it?
