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Posted by: Syclone2530
After owning a SunL Mini Deluxe 110 and a Kazuma Mini-falcon 90.....I would not buy one with out brakes on the rear AND front. Too dangerous on hills.
Posted by: trumptman
I've not posted here often and when I did it was to sing the praises of the Asun/Buyang 70cc ATV's that did so well for us last season.
Now of course it is time for a new season of riding here in California. My two boys are now respectively 6 and 8 years old, much bigger and I want to consider some new quads for them. We own one Moto4 80 which has been very good to us. I am considering getting another one (Raptor 80) and have found several of them in the $1300-1500 range.
However I look at this company, local enough to me for me to pick up the assembled quad and also have them help me license and register it (instead of just giving an MSO) and I see these very nice 110's.
ScooterFactory Lance 110 Hummer
Here is another one...
ScooterFactory Lance 110 Panther
I won't consider it this year, but this looks like the successor to my currently for sale/previous quads. They are recommended for 12+ and have 19 inch tires!
110 BMS
Have any of you purchased or experienced any of these three quads under their many labels at which they arrive on our shores? My primary application would be sand as we are getting out into the dunes more each year. Regardless of what some detractors think, the Yamaha 80 with its three gears does just fine out there with my 60 lb boys. So the decision is between another Raptor 80, and perhaps a one or a couple of these 110's.
Your thoughts and opinions are solicited and welcome.
Nick
Posted by: trumptman
OneOone,
Do the quads you purchased from Scooterfactory note the same issues with hills?
Nick
Posted by: IggyAZ
OneOone is correct. The kids grow out of them quickly. I would personally go for the ScooterFactory Lance 110 Hummer because of the price and the stronger stability. Are you planning beach or trail riding.
Dad's 2 cents.
Iggy
Posted by: SilveradoSS
If your gonna ride in a lot of sand, then I would look for something with an auto clutch and gears or a true CVT trans. These chinese 110cc quads with the "auto" trannies (centrifugal clutch) don't have much take-off power in loose sand. They are fine for hard pack and flat to mild hilly terrain. The clutch in these is like the go-cart/mini-bike clutches if you have any experience with those. They have a lot of slip from a stand still. You'll probably spend quite a bit of time just helping them get moving.
Posted by: oneOone
I've bought both my atv's from scootersfactory and have had good luck, I think that that your kids will quickly out grow the mini my 9 year old is getting close. but for the price their great.
Posted by: es_Surfer
I bought two 110's from RacewayATV a few months ago. I am not sure if the ones in your link are the same as mine, although the specifications for the Panther look the same as mine, anyway here are a few things that I would look for.
1. Are your boys able to operate the one and only rear break? My little girl (6yrs) can't operate it very well which was a major disappointment. We tried some SMALL hill climbs at El Mirage and she had a heck of a time stopping the darn thing coming down the grade. My boy(8yrs) also has a hard time locking the break up. To help the problem, I filed part of the break lever so it is closer to the grip. This gave the kids more leverage. In the manual it says that you cannot use these quads on hills. Now I see why, they are hard enough to stop on flat ground.
2. It sounds like your boys already know how to ride, so they will just need to learn how to finesse these things the right way to keep em rolling. The clutch slips until you get rolling 5mph or so, and it works best if you start rolling on flat ground. It works well in sandy areas that are flat, but not if you start out going up a 2 foot hill. It will get stuck. I spent a lot of time getting the kids unstuck. Now they are getting the hang of the power and how to use it, so they don't get stuck as much. I don't think there is a design issue with these quads, in terms of putting power to the ground, but more of a learning curve for the kids. The tires on mine are the same as the ones in your link. We rode in some sand washes in Palm Desert without any trouble. I get the best results running them with about 10 psi. This helps with traction and suspension. I wouldn't let your kids ride without a kidney belt, because the shocks are just for looks.
3. How do you feel about them being able to go about 30 MPH? These quads go too fast for my kids. I think the center of gravity is too high which makes them easy to tip over at higher speeds. I have the throttle screw turned in a quite a bit. This reduces the starting torque because you can't give the engine enough gas to get it rolling forward on inclines with a slope greater than a wheelchair ramp. So, you have to play with it a little to find out what works best for you.
4. Inspect the air filter. On mine, the air filters are crap. I have to figure out an alternative for this still.
5. See if it will idle with the lights on for 45 min or so. On both of mine, the battery looses its charge. I have checked all of the connections and they look ok. I am going to retrofit some jumpers on the outside of the quad so I can jump start it with one of these portable power packs without taking the seat off. I am not sure how many more times I can remove the seat before it falls apart or the metal bracket on the frame breaks. I don't think the stator can crank out enough amps to keep the battery charged with the lights on. Ours quit after about 45 minutes while running the lights. The answer, keep the lights off. This is on both of them by the way.
6. Make sure you check the alignment of the rear sprocket to the front and you can adjust it. The adjustments on mine are adequate and easy to do.
Here are a few items that I liked:
1. Make sure they are "Green Sticker Approved" so you can ride them year around without tickets. The ones that Raceway are selling qualify.
2. The remote control stop and alarm. If you activate the alarm, and shake the quad the motion will trigger an alarm like one of those old car alarms. Also, if your kid gets out of control of flat ground, you can kill the engine with it.
3. the engine is very quiet
4. they are cheap in price
5. They are disposable. When they finally die, you won't feel bad throwing it in the trash because they are so cheap.
The electrical and horsepower problems are really not too big of a problem for me because I kinda expected it, however, the brake problem was totally unexpected and like I said before, a major disappointment. If I had to do it over again the brake problem would be the show stopper, without a doubt!
When I was considering the purchase to begin with, I thought well, it is new, and at least, I can maybe, just maybe, baby them into lasting as long as it takes for my kids to grow out of them. These things are high maintenance period. won't start, battery is dead again. Spacers between the sprocket and rear wheels was getting loose which caused excessive play, which caused the sprockets to not be aligned. Bracket holding the gas tank broke. The throttle started sticking. The chain guard just fell off without any help from me or the kids. We were just sitting there in chairs looking at em and plop... My boys quad started sputtering really bad, so I took the carb off, and sure enough after about 10 hours of riding, the inside of the carb was totally filthy, this was after I fixed the kinked gas line problem. That's how I found out about the air filters. The vent hose on the carb on both of them was kinked from the factory. This can cause uneven idle. Easy to fix if you know what to look for.
It's like this, you get everything loaded up then drive a few hours to the desert for a nice ride, get everything all unpacked, check gas level and oil, get the kids in their gear, I get mine on.... AAAAAANndd one of the Chinese quads doesn't start. Ok, here we go again, take off the helmet, gloves, yell to the little one to wait for us..(and how did she get that far so quickly?).. next try and figure out what the heck is it this time.... Ok, got it. get ready to go again, and off we go.
In summary, my kids really like to ride them and we love going to the desert for family riding fun. Once they are running, we forget all about the problems, and life is good. Since I have them, I will tinker em into running until I can't, then I will toss em like yesterdays decayed figs into the trash. I will then be looking for used Yamaha, Honda etc.
Your mileage may vary and I hope this helps,
es_Surfer
