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Posted by: 2manytoys
I must have owned about 15 chinese quads in the past few years and only had trouble with 2 of them. One was a sunl which was replaced and a JM which also was replaced. The rest have held up fine. I do think it is a big part on how it is put together, ridden and maintained. I am a mechanic so I keep up on everything I have. Yes the chinese quads are alot more maintenance but they can be very reliable. SO the answer to your question is yes I think we are a large part of the blame.
Posted by: 2manytoys
Yes I agree that there is alot of junk being sold anywhere on the net but even the quads that seem to hold up really good hold up alot better from someont that takes the time and keeps up on it as apposed to someone that just bolts the wheels, fills it and goes. Its those people that give some of the good chinese quads bad reviews. Hopefully thats where JetMoto comes in and pushes all the bad crap out becuase they wont be able to compete wit JM.
Posted by: mywifesquad
Im not sure what I think about this thread just yet. I do agree that there are a lot of folks who buy these quads in a crate and think all they have to do is bolt on the wheels. In there defense there are a lot of people selling chinese quads, and making those exact claims. "just bolt on the tires and adjust the handlebars" Ive read something to that effect in many E-Bay Ads. And I also think there is a lot of junk coming here from China. And all the prep and maintainence in the world wont keep them running.
Ill think about this some more. BR>
Welcome to the forum 1976 and I think SEADAWG ought to thank you for taking some of the heat off him for am while. BR>
This thread could get interesting.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: 1976
I'm not trying to put people down by any means, but you do have to admit there are some people who couldn't work a screw-driver if their life depended on it let alone break in a bike properly. I'm just trying to look at this all at every angle possible before I dump 100's of dollars into one, so if I offend some people, so be it.
I would have to agree with you on that for sure. I also think there a are a lot of those same kind of people selling/importing chinese quads giving those same types of people false hope in their inexpensive quad purchase. Did that make sense?
Posted by: mywifesquad
Thats a good question LaPurr!! Im not sure what point 1976 is trying to make either. I assume hes trying to insinuate that the majority of "Chinese Quad Problems" are the customers fault and not the manufacturer.
I find that very hard to believe.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: 1976
I'm not making a point or insinutating anything, I'm just simply throwing out the idea that these ATV's might have not been broken in or maintained by their owners, just an observation due to all the complaints I'm hearing about them. They could just as well be made poorly as some so angrily dispute... maybe a few company's need to step-up with their designs, but I personally find it hard to bleieve they are all "junk"...
It was a bad choice of words on my part. Sorry about that. I am sure your right about some of the chinese quad problems being owner related. But you have to admit there is a lot of different names on these quads from china and they cant all be good. I wander over to ebay every once in a while to look at the new names. It is amazing how many different "brands" there are out there. I personally dont think they are all junk either, but I think that there is more bad than good out there.
Posted by: mywifesquad
The bottom line is very little from china is going to take that kind of abuse. Im sure Kymco and Eton both make a model that would take the abuse and I think the new Jetmoto 250 Sport Quad will do it too. I alos dont think they will be under $2000.00 either. The better steel needed to take the abuse costs more money than the mild steel a lot of quads coming from China are made of. Where people get themselves into real trouble is thinking that a quad that looks like a good chines quad. But sells for $1K instead of $2k is the same quad. Looks can be very decieving in the chinese quad game. All they do over there is copy things. Most of the manufacturers think if it looks like it, (what ever it is). It will work just like it. Thats why Eugene has gone to China 7 times this year alone to make sure it not only looks the part, but does the job too.
Posted by: BigRic
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Originally posted by: squeege
Here is a classic dealer trying to save his @ss right before the holiday season!
This guy is in the wrong forum to come in here and act like we are a bunch of nim-wits that need to be educated buy this knucklehead.....I'm OUT!
I agree with SQUEEGE on this one....this guy is a dealer and posting the same old tired lame phoney arguments that he's posted on SCOOTERBBS.COM that all the scumbag Chinese junk dealers are using for PATHETIC excuses. 1) You didn't break it in right 2) You didn't assemble it right 3) someone too heavy rode it 4) you didn't do the required maintenance or 5) you abused it 6) you did something to it......or you opened the box and looked at it wrong.....BLAH BLAH BLAH.
This is obviously a drive by posting by a SUNL JUNK dealer!
The truth of the matter is that these dirtballs are selling cheap poorly manufactured garbage. It's not going to matter how you break it in, it's not going to matter how you ride it........IT'S JUNK TO BEGIN WITH, so stop blaming the consumer.
www.sunlsucks.com
Posted by: squeege
Think about it guys!
Here is a classic dealer trying to save his @ss right before the holiday season!
This guy is in the wrong forum to come in here and act like we are a bunch of nim-wits that need to be educated buy this knucklehead.....
I'm OUT!
Posted by: squeege
WOW! that last post took you all but a minute! You must be hovering over this thread like a watchdog!
Posted by: SEADAWG
Sir,
Most of us "anti-Chinese" people owned many motorcycles throughout our lives and are no rookies. We know how to read and know how to break them in. I'm just speaking for me, but I couldn't have been more kindler and gentler to mine. I was never really hard on them and they couldn't hang/broke. However, there are those made in "China" that do well. Desert Cats, some Kazumas / Redcats and others.
Blaming the consumer for poor (to no) quality killed GM, Ford and Dodge. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
1976,
Thanks for giving me a break from the heat Personally, I have concluded that everyone is a little right. Too many junk dealers, some with poor quality and some that don't know their a___ from a hole in the ground. But, until further notice, I'm sticking w/ the big 4/5/6. Keep up the great debate...I just love this stuff SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
I agree, I wish I would have bit the bullet and purchased my daughter the TRX-90.! Happy Thanksgiving
Posted by: SEADAWG
All,
I'm a big corn fed man and I rode a TRX90 all day, hills, trails, small jumps and etc. It didn't blink one minute nor did it squeal. Honda never blamed anyone...it was a great quad and took the punishment. To blame anyone on these cheesey quality and poor workmanship is just bunk. Just my opinon, but I can't fix poor quaulity SEADAWG
Posted by: Evasiveone
For me our Chinese quad filled in a nice gap. Our 11-year old daughter was too big for the 90's and not quite ready for the 250's yet. I would not suggest any Chinese quad for anybody over 12 years old. I think the weight/aggressiveness of the rider would then push the quad past its limits.
I do not see engine problems out of this quad in the future. It has the GY6 clone engine and if you read most of the threads engine problems are usually not the big complaint. The big complaint comes from the welds, bolts and quality of the material used in these quads.
The suspension is not "tight" at all compared to the Yamaha's, Polaris and Honda's I have in my garage. With aggressive riding and time I foresee suspension problems in my future.
With that said though my daughter loves her bike and after initial setup I have had absolutely 0 problems out of it.
My mom and dad came down for Thanksgiving this weekend and Dad, who is now 76-years-old, rode that JetMoto 150 all over the place and I did not worry about it breaking on him. First time he was on a quad and he had a blast. Mom, who is 70-years-old, got the Predator 90 and had just as much fun.
Posted by: hoytultratec
smart move 1976, you can get decent used quads fairly cheap, u are better off this way.
welcom to the forums, feel free to join in, and dont be afraid of some of these bullys, J/K
hoyt
Posted by: mustangman
I know that I am not the problem when it came to the SunL SLA-110KLB that was only two months old with about 10-12 hours of riding time when the motor took a crap. I drag race cars and know about breaking in motors and proper maintenance. This SunL ATV was more work/maintenance than my drag car! I am so glad I got rid of it and bought a Polaris Predator 90. I also did not want to pay $2k for a kids ATV but Polaris had some sweet fiancing deals when I purchased it to ease the pain. You also have to remember that the ReSale Value is another factor. Chinese ATV's are throw away items after a year or two (if it lasts that long).
Posted by: LaPurr
I guess I need to ask a further question to add into what 1976 is asking. I have heard that the quality of the Tawain bikes are better than the Chinese bikes, and compareable to the Jap bikes. Is there truth to this?
I like the way my Etons have treated me this far, and I beleive its a tiwainese bike. My 150 had a issue with the reverse switch, but the dealer took care of it no problem, no charge, etc. Althou the dealer did install it incorrectly once, but they fixed it. My 250 has ran apsolutely flawless. And somehow I managed to talk the dealer into extending the warenty to 18 months for free. So no complaints here
Posted by: Vulcan700
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Originally posted by: 1976
Dealer no. Just a 30 year old guy from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania looking for something that will allow me to spend time with my brother cruising the trails, doing some hill climbs and just enjoying the great outdoors without putting me in debt.
Well buy chinese and you will be in debt with the repair bills. You can spend the money now and enjoy yourself or spend a lot more and be working on the bike it is up to you IMHO
Sorry I had 2 of them cheap sunl the bikes suck we now have real quads one Yamaha the other a Honda both are still running great.
Posted by: 1976
On my way home from work tonight I was thinking of how I keep reading about engines and tranny's breaking. I thought, are these people breaking them in properly and are the manuals telling them how too, or do the consumers choose not to read it but go out and beat it up around the woods once receieved. If anyone who owned/owns a Chinese quad and who broke it in (or something similar), as suggested by the manufactuer and still had major problems, post here. I would appreciate real posts from real buyers, not angry anti-China salesmen and members...
Posted by: 1976
I'm not trying to put people down by any means, but you do have to admit there are some people who couldn't work a screw-driver if their life depended on it let alone break in a bike properly. I'm just trying to look at this all at every angle possible before I dump 100's of dollars into one, so if I offend some people, so be it.
Posted by: 1976
Dealer no. Just a 30 year old guy from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania looking for something that will allow me to spend time with my brother cruising the trails, doing some hill climbs and just enjoying the great outdoors without putting me in debt.
Posted by: 1976
^_^ just bored out my mind and anxious to get a quad... maybe i'll wait until after xmas, might get a better deal?...
I do own a YZ250 and a couple small bikes; Suzi DS80 and Honda Xl75 from the 70's, still running, but I find it hard to believe these Chinese quads are really that bad OVERALL. Sounds like SunL didn't work out great for many people. Anyone who wants to lend me $1k for a honda, i'll be happy to give you my paypal address (Christmas is just a month away )
Posted by: 1976
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Originally posted by: BigRic
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Originally posted by: squeege
Here is a classic dealer trying to save his @ss right before the holiday season!
This guy is in the wrong forum to come in here and act like we are a bunch of nim-wits that need to be educated buy this knucklehead.....I'm OUT!
I agree with SQUEEGE on this one....this guy is a dealer and posting the same old tired lame phoney arguments that he's posted on SCOOTERBBS.COM that all the scumbag Chinese junk dealers are using for PATHETIC excuses. 1) You didn't break it in right 2) You didn't assemble it right 3) someone too heavy rode it 4) you didn't do the required maintenance or 5) you abused it 6) you did something to it......or you opened the box and looked at it wrong.....BLAH BLAH BLAH.
This is obviously a drive by posting by a SUNL JUNK dealer!
The truth of the matter is that these dirtballs are selling cheap poorly manufactured garbage. It's not going to matter how you break it in, it's not going to matter how you ride it........IT'S JUNK TO BEGIN WITH, so stop blaming the consumer.
www.sunlsucks.com
Yea you got me... anyways, I'm going to look for used quads this winter, but from now till that time, I'm going to post threads regarding Chinese quads and hopefully learn more about them, so if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Posted by: 1976
I'm not making a point or insinutating anything, I'm just simply throwing out the idea that these ATV's might have not been broken in or maintained by their owners, just an observation due to all the complaints I'm hearing about them. They could just as well be made poorly as some so angrily dispute... maybe a few company's need to step-up with their designs, but I personally find it hard to bleieve they are all "junk"...
Posted by: 1976
I'd have to say there is some truth in the Ebay theory. I'm sure half of the sellers of these quads on Ebay get them from the same company and just change the stickers and plastics, then they fall apart on these people who bought them. As for axles breaking and frames, that's what bothers me the most. You never get the full story, they may be bad axles to begin with or someone jumping them over huge doubles before adjusting or changing suspension, who knows?...
