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Posted by: LT80
My turn. BR>I understand the warranty issue with the dealer. As far as cost, the posted prices are good (from the forum members).
I don't rebuild the cranks. They are hard to get straight again. I recommend a new crank should you decide to do the bottom end. By the time you spend the labor to rebuild the crank, for a lil more you can have a new straight one.
Parts:: crank about $130 (didn't look it up).
For a shop to remove the motor and split it, I can see $400. at $50 or so an hour, that's prolly fair (unfortunatly). You could save alot if you remove the motor from the machine.
$400 for parts is another thing*cough cough*rip off*cough cough. I see it as $100 too much.
The side to side play of the crank will tell you how bad the crank is. If it is way loose, you will actually be able to feel the slop up and down. If so, the rod bearing is bad (lower).
I see cranks loose and they run for years. Again, side to side (alot) or up and down is bad..period.
FYI: spliting the cases is something better left to someone that's done it before.
I feel you may only need bore/pistons.
Use all zuki parts including the pistons.
Posted by: LT80
Arrows always point toward the exhaust. Don't think front or back, it'll cost money! BR>I hope your getting new piston pin bearings.
New cir-clips too. They seem to fly around the room and get lost at times. LMAO
Posted by: WAATV
Yes, you were getting screwed. RUN, don't walk, away from that dealer and never go back.
It may be that the street value of your 80 is ~$800 - you don't say how old it is. But repairing 2-stroke engines is pretty simple and the parts are readily available from reputable dealers and numerous online sources. If you have 80's, you probably have kids, and repairing this engine would be a great father-child project. It would give the kids a real sense of ownership and pride to be riding a quad THEY helped Daddy repair.
As you say, worst case you can part it out on eBay. That dealer definitely was hoping you'd walk away from it because they could then either part it out themselves or (more likely) put a couple hundred dollars of parts back into it and sell it for perhaps $1000 depending on condition.
Seriously... turn it into a father-child project. The education and bonding will be worth it even if you sell the repaired unit in your next garage sale.
Posted by: WAATV
Oops, sorry, you DID say how old they are. Your 2000 quad... does it have suspension front and rear, or is it the old fixed-frame style?
Posted by: WAATV
A quick lookup reveals that the connecting rod for a 2000 LT-80Y (part number 478638-001) costs $34.78. I'm guessing that you're not basing your decisions on a $35 dollar part, so let's presume it's completely destroyed and must be replaced.
The bigger question is, what ELSE is wrong and needs replacement? You said the head is warped ($57.44). Obviously you'll need a new piston ($23.40 alone, $46.46 with rings). We're not even at $150 yet. What else is needed?
Use these sites to look up parts and prices:
http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oem-nav~submit_from_stage~4~section_dept_id~1~model_dept_mfr~Suzuki~model_dept_year~2000~model_dept_id~703221.asp
http://216.37.204.206/wps/Suzuki_OEM/SuzukiATV.asp?Type=12&A=84
Let us know how it works out!
Posted by: WAATV
By the way, www.nadaguides.com shows your 2000 LT-80 as having an average used value of $1145. If yours is in good shape other than the engine issues you've mentioned, spending a few hundred to get it into working shape isn't out of the question. And as I said, the value of the time spent with your child(ren) while doing it is worth a lot more than the money.
Posted by: WAATV
This just gets better and better. First it's not worth repairing, so why not just walk away from it. Now the rod is actually OK, he'd use it himself. Something smells mighty fishy around here!
I'd replace the rod. No sense taking chances. It's not that much more money.
By the way, what was wrong with this quad originally that prompted you to take it in? Why did they have to break the piston to remove it? From your description it sounds like all you really need is a new rod and piston, for just over $100. But that doesn't answer the question of what started this whole series of events in the first place.
Posted by: WAATV
So the 2000 was working, just with low compression? And they destroyed the piston during their "examination"? And then wanted to be paid (either in cash or by abandoning the unit to them) for their destruction? Wow. That's a lot of gall. It went in working, it came out broken, here it is in pieces, and here's your bill. Nice.
If the engine would run, albeit with low compression, then I can't understand why they needed to destroy the piston to remove it. By definition, it could move up and down within the cylinder. Heck, even if all you could do was crank the engine (without actually running) you know for certain the piston wasn't seized. I'd be tempted to make them buy you a new piston.
Anyway, I'd rebuild the unit with a new piston, rings, rod, and head gasket. Perhaps have the head surfaced since it's off anyway. Once things are back together, check your compression again. The above may fix it. You'll have a good engine again and will have learned something important about that dealer: "Never again".
Posted by: deepsand
Okay so I take 2 lt80's down to my local shop one a 2000 and the other a 2004 they have low compression and I believe it is a top end issue with both...well after a week they call and say the 2004 is good to go, they honed out the cylinder and it looks good now...they say that the 2000 has a broken rod(?) and it will cost me $800.00 for them to fix it $400.00 in labor and another $400.00 in parts, they say that it wouldnt be worth it to fix it since the bike is only worth around $800-$900..I say okay and head down to the shop the next day to pick them up ....once I get there they ask me if I want to just give them the 2000 lt80 in exchange for the service cost of checking it out which was $125.00... I say hell no I can part it out on ebay and get more for it....so that was that....they left the bike in pieces...the head cover was returned bent ...it looks like they had to pry the piston out as it was in 3-4 pieces...
do you think I was getting screwed over?....does $800.00 sound right for this repair?..most importantly how do I tell if they where telling me the truth?...the head is off at this point can I move the crank and find out if what they where saying is legit? how hard of a job is this really?
Posted by: deepsand
They said the rod broke yet it is plainly there....how do I tell visually if they where telling the truth?
Posted by: deepsand
Suspension front and rear..
Posted by: deepsand
well what he is saying now is that the crank was loose and out of spec...he couldnt just put a new piston in and see how long it would work due to that fact that he couldnt warranty it afterwards...yet he says he has done the same thing to his personal bikes before and had them last 3-4 years...the head isnt warped they just bent the cooling flanges on the side...
Posted by: deepsand
What started it is I took both bikes in due to low compression 30-50psi ...figured it was time for 2 new top ends..
Posted by: deepsand
Thanks LT80 sounds like what I have decided to do may work out.....I ordered a new piston kit and head gaskets ...I will throw it back together this weekend and let you guys know how it went...BTW what way does the arrow point on the piston when I put it back in?...towards the front or the back?...
Posted by: deepsand
Yeah got new piston pin(they destroyed it) , bearings and clips......duhh of course it will be faster with the arrow facing towards the exhaust... thanks..Mark
