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Posted by: oldyeller
I would be very careful here or you'll end up going backwards...I just radared a 150 maxam last night and it was only at 24 mph and our 90 was going 28 in the same distance!!!..If I were you I would get a blaster or a honda 250 or 300 EX..I'm not sure why you want an automatic?..A manual or semi automatic will run circles around a fully automatic trans with the same power...Alot of people have no clue how fast quads really go and tend to think they go way faster than they really do..Speedometers that don't read accurately are partly to blame..In my opinion going from the Bruin to a chinese 150-250 is a huge step backwards..I would look at some Honda,suzuki,kawi,yamaha sport quads in the 200-350cc range.
Posted by: oldyeller
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Originally posted by: LaPurr
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Originally posted by: RedArmageddon
One more thing- I do beat the hell out of the thing as I'm 15, and I take that into consideration. Reading some of these threads make it clear to stay away from the Chinese, but the prices are hard to resist. I'm really looking for something that can go 50-55, that is with all governors basically taken off. Any other ideas, because I don't have a lot of options as far as automatics go and that's what I want.
I have topped out my Eton 250 at 48 MPH. And mine is still completely stock. I am thinking about upgrading the air filter, and exhaust and maybe porting the intake side of it. But since she is still under warenty, I dont want to do anything that might void it at this point.
Can I ask how you clocked your atv at 48 mph?
Posted by: oldyeller
One other machine you might check into is the Polaris trailblazer..They used to come in 400cc two stroke versions and aftermarket pipes and other high performance parts were available..One of these could be made very fast and reach the goals you are after and they are fully automatic..I just don't see very many small cc (or large cc for that matter)going 55 mph so I would definetly want proof before you buy.Keep in mind 4 stroke engines are very expensive and somewhat difficult to improve upon.It won't be easy to gain more than 5mph in most cases..I know the cheap prices are very attractive but the old saying you get what you pay for is still very true in most cases..
Posted by: oldyeller
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Originally posted by: LaPurr
Both the car pacing me, and the on board Speedo.
To find a dealer in your area, follow the following links..
Eton Dealer Locater
Or go to the above mentioned link for the Can-Am website, and follow the button on the top of the screen for the Can-Am dealer locater.
Both of those methods are usually very inaccurate...Try a radar gun or a GPS unit..I'm not doubting you but I see this all the time and people get a real reality check when you pull out the radar gun.....I am a huge Eton fan by the way and I'm glad to hear the bigger models are good machines.
Posted by: oldyeller
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Originally posted by: RedArmageddon
Thanks for the 2 stroke idea, but I don't want to have to deal with mixing oil. I want a 4 stroke, and likely will look into Eton or Can Am. Any other brands I should also be looking at?
They have oil injection.Simply add oil to the tank as you need it no mixing...Do some research,go to the sport atv sections and ask about speed and performance..I almost guarantee you will be hard pressed to find any fully automatic 4 stroke atv's that will meet your goals that are smaller than 650-700ccs....Also if its not a very popular model (ETON and Can Am)you will never find any performance parts for it later.
Posted by: billl2099
you don't want a chinese if you're looking for speed chinese 150 run around 31-33, the 250's around 33-35.
Posted by: LaPurr
My Eton 250 Vector tops out about 48-50 MPH. I really like the way it handles, the suspension is nice, and adjustable. Double a-arm front suspension. Double disc in the front, with a single disc in the back. My 150 will out accelerate it from a dig for about 10-15 feet. then the 250 just flys by. Good gas milage as well, if thats important to you. The auto has not had any problems as of yet in my 250. It is water cooled with a cooling fan. I have had it from the low lands here in Missouri, to the highlands (about 14000 feet) in Colorado. Althou the power did drop off in the high country, it still perfermed very well. The price for them isnt bad, but I held out to find one on ebay. Saved 1800 doing it that way. They have been popping up on ebay more and more frequently lately for model year end closeouts.
Posted by: LaPurr
Can-Am is Bombardier. I cant say I know alot about the company, but I have heard very few complaints about them. There is a section dedicated to them on here.
As far as the Vector goes, here is one that was on ebay recently.. Eton 250 Vector
The one I bought thru ebay was only 100 bucks more, same color too. Since this one didnt sell, I wonder if you could contact the dealer directly and see if he is willing to relist it, or sell it for the price listed.
You can also check out Eton Home Website and check out the products.
As for going from a name brand to a "other brand". Eton is not "other". True, they arent as well known as the other major brands. but hey, every company has to start out somewhere. And while people keep up the thinking that "other" brands will never meet the quality of the "major" brands, the little company has no hope of ever improving there products cause they are 2 busy going out of business. Would I buy a "major" brand quad? only if the price was right, otherwise I am going to buy the "other" brand. (sorry for the hijack, sick of BS spewing around)
EDIT: DO NOT go the website www.can-am.com. YOU WILL NOT like it LOL.. The Can-Am website is... CAN-AM
New prices 3300 For the Can-Am DS-250, and 3200 for the Eton 250 Vector. The Can-Am only has partial runnin boards, great if you want to install nerf bars (which I dont). The Can-Am does not have a foot rear brake pedal, only hand controls. The Eton does have a foot brake pedal, but no hand grip rear brake. both are the same weight, and demensions, with the same amount of wheel travel. Both do have a add on abilitys, skidplates, and the like.
I personally like the full running boards the ETON has, as well as the foot brake. The 100 dollar price diference is not enuf to make me buy one over the other. If you are planning on buying new, I would look for dealership support. Sooner or later these things do need to be worked on, and if you like to have a dealer work on it, or to get parts from, its a good idea to have a knoledgeable store near you. I have 4 Can-Am dealers near me, and 2 ETON dealers. This was not a factor when I bought my ETON as there were ZERO Can-Am dealers in my area when I bought it. Just food for thought.
Posted by: LaPurr
I edited my message above for ya BTW, lots more info added...
That wasnt directed to you RedArm, that other guy saying you would hate going from "major" to "other". I am like you about the Auto's. Thats all I will ever buy. Either way, keep asking questions, and just ignore the people that only bad mouth.
Posted by: LaPurr
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Originally posted by: RedArmageddon
One more thing- I do beat the hell out of the thing as I'm 15, and I take that into consideration. Reading some of these threads make it clear to stay away from the Chinese, but the prices are hard to resist. I'm really looking for something that can go 50-55, that is with all governors basically taken off. Any other ideas, because I don't have a lot of options as far as automatics go and that's what I want.
I also will stay away from the Chinese quads until the product does improve. If you look thru the posts, you will see problems with frames cracked or broken, A-arm mounts breaking, shock mounts breaking, etc. True all manufactures have this problem if you beat on them. But the Chinese quads seem to break a hell of alot quicker. If you want to look into the "cheaper" quad market, Tawainese seems to be a good way to go. There products seem to be alot better than the Chinese Quads. At least thats my opinion.
I have topped out my Eton 250 at 48 MPH. And mine is still completely stock. I am thinking about upgrading the air filter, and exhaust and maybe porting the intake side of it. But since she is still under warenty, I dont want to do anything that might void it at this point.
Posted by: LaPurr
Both the car pacing me, and the on board Speedo.
To find a dealer in your area, follow the following links..
Eton Dealer Locater
Or go to the above mentioned link for the Can-Am website, and follow the button on the top of the screen for the Can-Am dealer locater.
Posted by: LaPurr
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Originally posted by: oldyeller
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Originally posted by: LaPurr
Both the car pacing me, and the on board Speedo.
To find a dealer in your area, follow the following links..
Eton Dealer Locater
Or go to the above mentioned link for the Can-Am website, and follow the button on the top of the screen for the Can-Am dealer locater.
Both of those methods are usually very inaccurate...Try a radar gun or a GPS unit..I'm not doubting you but I see this all the time and people get a real reality check when you pull out the radar gun.....I am a huge Eton fan by the way and I'm glad to hear the bigger models are good machines.
I guess I should mention that it was a police car that was pacing me. both on his certified speedometer, and his pace radar system.
Posted by: LaPurr
Yes, my top speed on my Eton 250 was 48 MPH. That was flat out, on flat land. I dont think the 250's have any governers to speak of, but they might. Mine is completely stock. I plan on doing mods to it after the warenty has expired. Simple ones thou, Air filer, up the exhaust flow, no spark arrester (but save it for the state parks), and at some point I plan on porting the intake system I think. I havent looked at it to closely to see if thats posible. The only thing I would have you think about, and I am not trying to steer you away from the ETON, is that you can get a 3 year, or maybe 5 year, not sure, warenty on the Can-Am. If thats something thats important to you, it is something to think about.
Bottom line is, I love my 250. It suits me well enuf. I do plan on upgrading it 08 model year. But thats only because my wife will have had enuf experience on her 150 to take my 250. Letting me get the quad I have been wanting. Would I buy my Eton 250 over all the other brands I have tried? Hell yes. My only dislike about the Eton is all the safety features it has, I could do without some of them.
Posted by: kickass210
forget the automatics and get a clutch and a 6-speed blaster.
Posted by: RedArmageddon
I'm 15, about to turn 16; 5'2" 135 lb. I have a Yamaha Bruin 350 4X4 that maxes at 42 MPH, but I hate its handling and its weight. I would like an auto, so I don't have to worry about shifting. I'm looking at any brand of sport, considering I want to atleast break even, selling the Bruin and buying the 150-300 sport. Here's my question:
What's the fastest 150 or 250 auto? I thought 250 based on speed, but if the speed difference is not that much between the fastest 150 and the 250, I will go with the 250. I would like something hopefully similar to the Bruin. Please list the fastest AUTOMATICS with their speeds. Thanks!
Posted by: RedArmageddon
On an add someone was saying a Roketa 150 can hit 45-55. Is that true? I have no problem basically taking out that throtte screw or anything at all. I'm looking for something that can go as fast as possible, but at an affordable prics. What's the price of the vector?
Posted by: RedArmageddon
Also, what do you guys think about this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Brand-New-2006-200cc-atv-four-wheeler-4-sale-No-RES_W0QQitemZ300038607566QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6726QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem. I'm wondering the reliability, but I don't know. I really want only auto, so no thanks to the banshee
Posted by: RedArmageddon
Like I said before, I want the auto!!! It's just an issue I won't budge on. I'm also looking at price which is why I thought about the chinese. What about Eton's, what are the pricing on them? If I basically unscrew the governor, that won't speed one of those up?
Posted by: RedArmageddon
I also looked at the Can Am Ds250, what do you guys think about it? Someone said it is Taiwan based, is that true and whom is it made by?
One more thing- I do beat the hell out of the thing as I'm 15, and I take that into consideration. Reading some of these threads make it clear to stay away from the Chinese, but the prices are hard to resist. I'm really looking for something that can go 50-55, that is with all governors basically taken off. Any other ideas, because I don't have a lot of options as far as automatics go and that's what I want.
Posted by: RedArmageddon
I have no problem going to other brands at all if that's what it sounded like. I'm worried about reliability mixed with price. BTW, that's why you always go to google first, then click on the best option.
Posted by: RedArmageddon
I live in Florida, do you know of any dealers there or where to look for dealers? It sounds good, but I need a place to atleast look at them.
Posted by: RedArmageddon
Thanks for the 2 stroke idea, but I don't want to have to deal with mixing oil. I want a 4 stroke, and likely will look into Eton or Can Am. Any other brands I should also be looking at?
Posted by: RedArmageddon
I really don't want to even deal with the oil. I have 4 or 5 Eton dealerships around me, so I wouldn't think parts would be a problem. I really just want something to go 50-55 with all governors taken off. I know it may not be possible, and I may have to go with something slower, but so be it. At a local Eton dealership, they're selling the Vector 250 for $3000. I will likely look into that. Was yours going 48 with/without governors or any mods at all? Also, how much do you think I could get my 2004 Yamaha Bruin 4X4 for? It runs perfect and all parts are completely stock, nothing has broken at all.
