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Posted by: watzupdog
How yah going to give a review on something that you dont have access to. Sounds like your just trying to get a free quad. The scuttlebutt on that one sailor is negative, dont see it happening.
Posted by: Scootergptx
They can send one down this way and I'll just let it set outside. We'll see how they can handle the heat (expected high 104 today).
I like the idea Seadawg. If there were just some type of standard that ALL manufacturers must meet.
Posted by: Scootergptx
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Originally posted by: Dane2
Smoovlatino,
Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't aware Yamaha was spelled "Suzuki"??? (last 2 pics on your profile labelled "Yamaha LT-Z 250"...the white bike with the blue seat that says "Suzuki" on it...) :-)
I wouldn't sweat it, they spelled it "Kawasaki" on mine.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
Taiwan is in the Republic of China and have trade agreements with the mainland. You will often see Chinese metal and parts in Taiwanese quads. All Taiwanese quads are not quality machines. All Chinese quads are not a pos.
People get to hung up on where the quad was manufactured instead of who made it. And don't expect Honda quality at 1/4 the price.
Posted by: smoovlatino
I've purchased a 200cc ATV from XRIDER.COM which is sitting at the terminal to be delivered today. I will post a comprehensive report on the quality of this ATV as soon as I can test it thoroughly.
Posted by: smoovlatino
My friend also purchased the 70cc ATV from XRider in the same package to be delivered today... I'll conduct both reviews as soon as I put em to the test
The shipping was unbelievable.... two days.
Posted by: smoovlatino
Got both of them today in crates... Everything seemed packaged well... lots of bubble wrap and protection on most surfaces. Had to assemble the handlebars, drum brakes, tires (front and rear), bumper, and nose piece. Also had to attach headlights for the 200cc. Had to get an extra washer from Lowe's to complete the installation of tires. One of the tires had too much space, and needed an extra washer. After adding fuel, the 200cc started right up... sounded a little wierd at first, but evened out, and with a little idle adjustments, sounded good for a Chinese ATV. Gears on the 200cc seem a little short, but then again, I'm used to riding the Raptor 660. After riding it for a while, I realized that for a 200cc, this little ATV can pick up and go. The 70cc came with a wireless remote to stop and start the ATV from 50 FT away (safety feature for children).
Now for the critiques:
The levers (brake and clutch) are far from the handlebars and cause problems for women and children with small hands. Not that much of a problem because they can be adjusted some what. The air filter is an open air K & N imitation with a dust cover over it. I'm guessing here, but I don't think this will perform very well in dusty climates. The gas tank is not vented on the 200cc... it's a cheesy gas cap similar to a street bike, just crappier.
I didn't have too much time to mess with it today, but I will have more to come. Check out the pictures in my profile.
Posted by: smoovlatino
Yeah, I know... I've known about it for a while; just too lazy to fix it because I have to delete the entire photo and repost with new caption. Now it's fixed....
Posted by: smoovlatino
Anyway, took the 2006 Yamoto 200cc out for the first time tonight. The suspension was immediately noticeable as my female friend was bouncing around over every little bump. She pulled up next to me and pouted her bottom lip... "It's jumping around everywhere". I laughed and told her she just had to get used to it. To draw my own conclusion, I had her dismount and I got on. I took it up a dirt hill riddled with Jeep tracks. It felt like I was riding a PowerWheels with everything I could feel. When I turned hard to throw the rear wheels, I damn near flipped over! I was laughing so hard when I brought it back to her.... "Yup! Suspension feels like crap!" She continued to ride the rest of the night with her upset with the new purchase. The problem is she is used to riding the 2005 Suzuki LTZ 250 and the 2005 Yamaha Raptor 660... so she's been pampered with quality suspension and hard riding.
Honestly, I don't think there will be too much hard riding unless the rider wants to fly off! Anyone have similar problems with the suspension?
Posted by: smoovlatino
What type of mods should I look at doing? The suspension is terrible!
Posted by: smoovlatino
What did you do to yours to make the ride more bearable?
Posted by: smoovlatino
Just fired up the 70cc today; it's been sitting since the 14th. At first, it needed a little help (would fire but not stay running). After messing around with it for about 5 minutes, it was idling just fine and would start up with one crank. The only negative critique I have on the 70cc is the vibration. At midrange to highrange, the handlebars vibrate so much that when you get off your hands feel just like you were weedwacking for an hour! It isn't too bad if you're on and off the throttle (plus.. that's good if that's the only bad thing I can think of!). Everything else is perfect for a child's ATV.
Now the 200cc.... after riding it for about an hour, I began hearing something rattling (like a bolt and washer loose). The headlights absolutely suck, but that was expected. I'll probably replace them with some fog lights from Wal-Mart. The suspension is my main concern. Imagine being pushed about 30mph over ruts and dried truck tire imprints in a shopping cart! That's what if feels like!!! The engine runs well... shifting isn't too bad (missed 2nd a few times because you have to REALLLLY pull up on the shifter), and overall it's a good bike for the money. I just wish it was a little more stable for novice riders. My female friend was quickly discouraged from the bumpy ride and wanted to hop on my Raptor for the remainder of the evening. I was thinking of replacing the shocks and buying bigger tires. If only there was an easy way to fix this problem.....
Posted by: smoovlatino
MWQ... would you say that after the modifications to your ATV, it rides like a Suzuki or Yamaha?
Posted by: smoovlatino
Does anyone know where to get new tires for these quads? I want to get some better rear tires; the stock tires are entirely too small and are contributing to the bumpy ride...
Posted by: mywifesquad
Keep trying SEADAWG!!
I think the biggest problem with Quads from Chinese is that the majority of sellers, Ebay etc... have very little to no experience on quads at all. They buy a few, ride them around a parking lot and think they are great. They havnt ridden a Japanese quad for comparison and wouldnt know the difference if they did. Then you get some sellers who sell the 125, 150 and 200cc quads for full size adults and they werent made for that either. I still say that the current quads available from Jetmoto are for small adults with beginner to novice level of riding skills. Any one who is claiming that they or their copies is more than that is misleading the public big time. Jetmoto does have plans for ADULT SIZED quads later this year or early next year. It will depend on how they do in early testing.
Posted by: mywifesquad
I wasnt that happy with the stock suspension on my '04 Yamoto 150. It was horrrible before I did some mods. I would have thought they would have fixed that by now.
Posted by: mywifesquad
I softened up the front shocks by putting 1.5" wheel spacers on and replaced the rear shock with a shock from a mid '80s CR80. The front was easy, the rear took some welding. i would measure the stock shocks and look around ebay for something used that is close to the same length.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: SEADAWG
All,
Looks like Jetmotto made leaps forward, but still has a ways to go. Looks like the suspension is weak...how is everything else holding up? SEADAWG
You might want to read a little slower next time SEADAWG. smoovlatino was talking about a 2006 YAMOTO 200.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: smoovlatino
MWQ... would you say that after the modifications to your ATV, it rides like a Suzuki or Yamaha?
Id say it rides sort of like a beat up, early 90's, Yamaha Breeze. Im not trying to pick on the breeze, its just the machine my wife rode that made her want a quad about 2.5 years ago. We were in Hawaii and rented some abused breezes for 2 hours. The Yamoto is still nothing to get excited about, but is much softer than it was. Its now being abused by my oldest son and his buddies.
How long are your front and rear shocks measured eye to eye? Back when I was deciding what to do with my Yamoto. The suzuki LT 160 front shocks were popular and so were anything used from a Eton quad. If your thinking new the shocks that come on the Jetmoto 150 and 200 are decent shocks for what the quad costs. Im not sure what a replacement set would cost.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Dane2
Can you take the springs off the shocks and cut a little off them. That should soften them up quite a bit.
That would actully stiffen the spring rate. Less coils to absorb the hit. Adding coils would help, but then the springs wouldnt fit.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Dane2
You can't do this to every spring/shock combo, it depends on how much the spring is compressed when it is fit onto the shock body. Looking at the pictures of the chinese bikes, it looks like they have a lot of spring stuffed in there. Lose a couple coils and it will make it softer.
While I dont agree about less coils decreasing spring rate. T do think your on to something here. If the spring is set on the shock with too much preload then cutting off a coil or 2 will make it seem like the spring is softer. But if there is no preload on the spring and you do the same thing it will be stiffer. I have sent a few sinngle shocks out for modification. When a stiffer spring was needed they would cut a coil off the spring and make a spacer to fill in the difference. If a softer spring was needed they would sell me a new one.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: Dane2
That's the key, the spring must have some preload it can lose, or it won't work.
On my Yamoto i thought the rear shock had too much preload on it. I cut the spring base off and sure enough the spring was set with 1/2 a inch of preload stock. I was just going to re weld the base on the shock lower until i realized that the shock only had 9/16" of total travel. No spring mod in the world would help that.
What year was your Maico? I have always wanted a Maico for my "collection". They were so cool in the mid to late '70s.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: smoovlatino
Does anyone know where to get new tires for these quads? I want to get some better rear tires; the stock tires are entirely too small and are contributing to the bumpy ride...
You can get anything that fits. Id check with the advertisers here and see what they have to offer.
Posted by: squeege
I bought a desert cat 90 the other day....I'll look it over and let ya know what I think....soon as it gets here....
Posted by: squeege
Some people are linking the Chianese and the Tiawain quads as the same quality or that Tiawain is actually China? WTF ???
Posted by: squeege
Got a new red desert cat 90 this past weekend from raceway atv
Packaged very well
Not very painful...I found a few minor problems if any....The carb intake boot wasn't secured properly(re-adjust the metal clamp)...one fender bolt fell out(put another one in)....the ignition rubber boot and headlight rubber boot under the fenders were not secured( fixed)...Other than that a quick adjust of the front brake cable and idel....
Items not included: flag and shock covers....?
The machine ripps around very well....Looks to be just as good as one would find at a local jap atv dealer. BR>
My sister 11yr old is gonna have a great time gaining skills......
Posted by: SEADAWG
All,
I see one common thread. Most advetise Japanese quality quads at a Chinese price. Many of these quads are not ruggedly tested and expectations are not being met. I recommend that instead of dealers or Raceway, that we have an independent inspection team that evaluates these quads/motorcycle for future consumers. I think we will be able to find a win-win situation. Also, many here mislead and I want that to stop. We can pool our resources and come up with a truly after market.....market. Enough of people being mislead. Listen to me Redcat/Kazuma/Jetmotto.,..Motto and all quads/motorcycles made in China...we are going to be the voice of quality and price. If it is good....it is good....if the baby is ugly...we can't lie, throw out the baby with the bath water. I have had both and ride with many that have them. SEADAWG Team is coming.
Posted by: SEADAWG
No, I want nothing free. I don't want any gifts...totally against bribes. I want it to be like the consumer reports for Chinese quads...if I get one free, than it will not be impartial and may let the consumer down! Independence is the greatest gift. Some in Congress should learn that SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Sir,
Great review. You are the perfect person to test them and see what they got. You have a lot of toys and know that all of them have pros and cons. Go beat them up and keep us posted. Also, thanks for posting and keeping us updated. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
All,
Looks like Jetmotto made leaps forward, but still has a ways to go. Looks like the suspension is weak...how is everything else holding up? SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Guys, I stand corrected. Wrong quad and I shoul read more detail
Posted by: Dane2
Smoovlatino,
Maybe it's just me, but I wasn't aware Yamaha was spelled "Suzuki"??? (last 2 pics on your profile labelled "Yamaha LT-Z 250"...the white bike with the blue seat that says "Suzuki" on it...) :-)
Posted by: Dane2
Can you take the springs off the shocks and cut a little off them. That should soften them up quite a bit.
Posted by: Dane2
No, if you cut just enough off that the spring still expands to fit, it will reduce the spring rate (less coils holding the same weight). If you cut it too short and the ends drop to fit to the spring, then it will reduce ride height and can increase spring rate.
It's the same as adjusting the pre-load on a setup that has that adjustment.
You can't do this to every spring/shock combo, it depends on how much the spring is compressed when it is fit onto the shock body. Looking at the pictures of the chinese bikes, it looks like they have a lot of spring stuffed in there. Lose a couple coils and it will make it softer.
I've done this many times (albeit many years ago) on dirt bikes I've had, and specificaly to the stock Maico 400 I used to ride.
Posted by: Dane2
That's the key, the spring must have some preload it can lose, or it won't work.
Posted by: Dane2
Ya know, I don't really recall what year it was. I got the bike used from a neighbor in 1981 (I was 17 at the time). I raced it in open class in some local clubs for a couple years. The previous owner was a former racer and the bike had quite a few mods and aftermarket parts.
It was a beast for sure. Kick starter was on the left hand side, so it was awkward to start, if you could kick it over at all. Many times it would fire half way through the kick start and end up flipping you over the bars (had to stand on the left side and kick it with my right foot while holding the bars...and you had to come up and down on the starter with your full weight...a precarious balancing act for sure). Push starting it required 4th gear on pavement or forget it, it would just drag the rear wheel even if you hopped down on the seat when you dumped the clutch.
When it came up on the pipe, the thing had so much power it was near uncontrollable. Had t be very touchy on that throttle hand :-)
I ended up selling it back to the former owner after nearly killing my self on it over the couple years I owned it. I went back to 250cc bikes :-)
