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Posted by: watzupdog
*67 and welcome to the forums.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: doubled1
maybe a honda trx 90 style atv with some sand tires will be better but nobody on any of these threads will tell me any thing. thats what im really wanting to know.
Dude, I listed out about 10 atvs. Nobody will tell you anything or nobody will tell you what you want to hear? You may just not like 2-strokes (I don't know) but they can put out about twice as much power as 4-strokes. They are the best engines for a mini in sand. And your dunes aren't Glamis, they about the equivalent of what we have in Texas. You can make a mini run fine but you may have to wrench a little and spend some money.
Posted by: Raptorlegs
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Originally posted by: doubled1
well you said you just listed 10 atv i dont see them in this thread. and i dont have anything against a 2 stroke but there is in my opinion a reason nobody is going to make them any more. i love the 2 stroke ive had a rd 400 that would smoke any 750 back in the day.
I posted where you asked originally.
They've been saying the 2-strokes will die out for the last 3 years but people are still cranking them out. I'm sure they'll fade out eventually but parts and service will still be available on most. A piped Polaris with paddles, a cdi and clutch kit is hard to beat in sand, if you're worried about the "no-names" disappearing. The last few years have a decent suspension too.
Posted by: chirochris
i saw a mini 90 today then came home and saw raceway has them also..i get confused cause hte guys say sunl but these on raceway dont...
anyway these any good? can them climb rocks and hills?
it looks so small and has a 90cc motor...the specs are the same for the 50-70 and 90 as a far as size and all that...
want to get my boy something but this whole thing is very confusing
is sunl and kazuma the same/ are mini's the same as sunl?
Posted by: chirochris
he is only 4 yrs old, right now he rides an atc 70 but i need to put it in 2nd gearand govern the throttle but it sucks..if he stops i have change gears and the power is not there cause it is governed...he is a big 4 yr old..has no problem handling it but no gears would be nice and the 4th wheel also
i just dont want a piece of crap..he will be riding a few times a month only.. maybe 2-3 times
no dunes
Posted by: chirochris
any of the raceway kids quads have cvt tranny's
and how do i know which to get there are so many...the kazuma look nice with good size tires..while the mini look like they have real small tires...cant decide but the kazuma kmx 50 looks good...
again he is only 4
Posted by: RacewayATV
Just to let everyone know our 70cc and mini 90cc's are no longer sunl units. If you take a look at our site www.racewayatv.com You can clearly see that all of the pictures have changed and the units are from a completely different manufacturer. These units have been changed for a few weeks now. We did have some problems with the sunl frames and that is why we switch manufactures right away. You can see that all of our frames are silver in color now and the sunls frames are black.
And I would also like to say that everyone that bought a 70 or 90cc from us and had a problem with the frame there units were either switched or picked up for a full refund. We stand behind any unit we sell, and if there is a problem were are #1 in the business to address it and fix it! most can back me up on this.
Kids ATV Raceway ATV
Posted by: RacewayATV
lalnx
Kazuma did have a few problems with the 90cc heads when they 1st came out months ago. But they quickly fixed it and to be honest the 1st 6 or 7 I sold I have to switch the heads but now they are running just fine. Sounds like to me that the dealer put on one of the bad heads again! We have been selling a lot of them and have had not had a problem with the heads since! Sorry to hear about your bad luck. If you do not get any place with this guy give me a call and I will help you out!
Kazuma ATV & Parts ! Raceway ATV
Posted by: MIDDLEAGEDCRAZY
You can expect some problem's with the chinese quad's.However if you look at the cost and if your child is new to quad's and your not sure if the child will even really like riding, the expence is A great deal less.You will however need some mechanacal skill's.I have to agree with rodneygt on this one.
Posted by: cvc42
I have a 2005 Eton Viper 70 2 stroke. My daughter rides and I can't say enough, its an awsome machine, it gets ridden more that my other 3 quads combined and you will have resale when he out grows it. A little more up front but you will get it back on resale later....and you won't have to work on it after you ride itBR>
Good luck
Posted by: billl2099
you need to stay away from the sunl 90, they have a problem with the frame breaking at the gusset at the swing arm, depending on the size of the kid the 70 or the mini 100 from raceway (sunl 110) are a good choice. it really doesn't matter which quad you decide on wheather the kazuma or the sunl they both use the same engine and electrics, the only differance is the frame and plastics, they're not rock climbers, and don't expect them to climb steep hills, our 150's won't even do that, the 110 is quite a bit bigger than the 50-90's also uses larger wheels and tire, so far we owned 2 50 kazuma meerkats, sunl 70 , sunl 90, sunl 110, 2 kazuma 150's, and my peirspeed, the only problem we encounter was a broken frame on the sunl 90, raceway replaced it with the mini 100 (sunl 110). if you know how to set up the quad correctly when you first received it, you shouldn't have any problems. i think most people who buy these quads don't have a clue how to, and they're better off buying from a dealer. the chinese are selling these by the 1000's, and like any other product their's going to be some lemons. the auto makers were making so many in the 70's congress had to pass a lemon law a few years back.
Posted by: billl2099
speaking of resale, we had 2 kazuma 50 meerkats for 2 years, i paid $550 each for them, i purchased them when the grandkids 4 and 5, they outgrew them and i replaced them with the sunl 70 and 90. i ended up selling the meerkats for $400 each. i really don't think any other quad i would only loose $150 each after 2 years of owenership.
Posted by: billl2099
yea right i knew you would have a stupid commet, suzuki 50 was 1895, 150 dealer set up,45 doc fee , taxes 8.25% 156.75 green sticker 15, price otd was 2216.75 for a 50cc ,thats ridiculous, 30% depreciation if you're luckly 665, but not to sure about that eaither i would expect more depreciation and then times that by 2, gee thats more than i paid for the whole both atv's . and guess what the kazuma 50's are near bullet proof, the only thing i didn't like about the kazuma 50 was the transmission , they should be an automatic , since these are beginner quads and not a semi-automatic, at that age it's hard to teach the kids basics on changing gears so most of the time they ride in eaither 2 or 3 gear. one more thing i don't really think the kids in that age group really care what brand of atv they have.
Posted by: billl2099
some you know purchased a lt 50 in the mid 90's? and selling it for around the same price? pretty trick according to nada they didn't start making them until 2002, i say thats pretty cool.
Posted by: rodneygt
Raceway's xl 50, 70 and 90 and maybe a few others are sunl. Sunl and kazuma are not the same. All of the 70s and 90s that I've seen are automatics - the 50s are semi auto. Unfortunately, the 70 and 90 are not cvt autos. They are one gear autos. Essentially someone tried to pick a ratio that gave a decent compromise between low end power and speed. At least as to the 70 we have, they were relatively successful. However, while it is satisfatory on hills, I cant imagine it being a rock climber.
You'll need some mechanical skills with these bikes - unlikely to be gas-n-go. But, once you get the kinks worked out, they are alot of fun. The kazuma baby falcon 110 I bought has been surprisingly trouble free (and it is a semi auto). With these chinese bikes, it seems that different people have varying degrees of luck.
Like the other guy said, if you suspect the boy is going to ride a lot, consider the taiwanese or japanese/american bikes. The desert cat 90 might be a decent compromise if you want a 2 stroke.
Also, I've seen a few posts about cracking frames on the 90 cc. Use the search function and you should find more info about these bikes.
Rodney
Posted by: imesinga
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Originally posted by: RacewayATV
Just to let everyone know our 70cc and mini 90cc's are no longer sunl units. If you take a look at our site www.racewayatv.com You can clearly see that all of the pictures have changed and the units are from a completely different manufacturer. These units have been changed for a few weeks now. We did have some problems with the sunl frames and that is why we switch manufactures right away. You can see that all of our frames are silver in color now and the sunls frames are black.
And I would also like to say that everyone that bought a 70 or 90cc from us and had a problem with the frame there units were either switched or picked up for a full refund. We stand behind any unit we sell, and if there is a problem were are #1 in the business to address it and fix it! most can back me up on this.
Kids ATV Raceway ATV
Amen to that. John replaced one for me and then refunded me full price after the second also broke. Raceway paid for the shipping all the way around. You just can't ask for better than that.
Posted by: Valder
I would have loved to get a Honda 90 or Raptor 80 for my kid, but at those prices I couldn't
see spending that much on it plus I don't think he is into shifting just yet. Yeah yeah resale....I tend to hold onto things and not part with them so I wouldn't be getting anything back from it.
So we went with the Unison Desert Cat 90. 2ManyToys has one here as well and so far so good. Nice little 2 stroker with lots of power. Costs a bit more than the Chinese quads,but it seems that this Taiwanese bike is a bit better quality. You might look into that one as well, Raceway carries them also kidatvs.com has them.
Darrin
Posted by: Valder
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Originally posted by: billl2099one more thing i don't really think the kids in that age group really care what brand of atv they have.
Got that right...more concerned with the color, how cool it looks and how fast it goes. LOL!
Let Dad worry about all the other stuff.
BR>
Posted by: doubled1
i bought my son the sunl 90 mini and its a great bike so far. i took the plastic off to get to everything easy so i could check it out thourghly. its great on the hard packed dirt, but we went to a place that had sand and it just wouldnt go. it just digs down and gets stuck, he couldnt ride there , it was very dissapointing for him. he had to ride on the back of mine which isnt very safe. i dont know if its because the tires are to small or what. now he wants one that will go in the sand but he's only six years old i dont want to get him anything to big. any suggestions?
Posted by: doubled1
thanks for the reply but i only have about 4 psi in the tires. this mini 90 will just not go in sand. dont get me wrong its a great atv but its just not for the sand. maybe a honda trx 90 style atv with some sand tires will be better but nobody on any of these threads will tell me any thing. thats what im really wanting to know. here in oklahoma you might find great trails with good dirt to ride in and all of a sudden you have a sand patch. also remember he is only going on 7 years old. i just want an atv that can cover most riding situations a beginning rider can handle
Posted by: doubled1
well you said you just listed 10 atv i dont see them in this thread. and i dont have anything against a 2 stroke but there is in my opinion a reason nobody is going to make them any more. i love the 2 stroke ive had a rd 400 that would smoke any 750 back in the day.
Posted by: digginfool
Man, if you are a chiropracter, then you've got the cash to get a decent quad. Stay away from these Chinese quads. Look at Kasea, Dinli or eTon. You won't go wrong. As your boy gains confidence and he starts riding more aggressively, these cheap quads will just fall apart. You do get what you pay for. However, what the 'big four' offer is not necessarily worth the money either. They don't have the performance or handling that the higher quality scooter-engined quads do (except for the Polaris and Honda 90, although the Honda needs quite a bit of work to be competitive performance wise). Good luck with your decision. A $1,000 more might seem like a lot of money until you're out for a long weekend of riding and your boy is sitting back at camp with a broken quad. Worse yet, you're heading home two days early because the Chinese piece of crap couldn't hang.
Posted by: digginfool
That sounds really nice, Bill, until you put a calculator to it and you find you lost nearly 30%, which probably is about right for a 2 year old quad. And don't get so happy about that, either. There are people whose LT50 survived (key word) 6 or 7 years and they turned around and sold them for as much or more than they originally paid.
Posted by: digginfool
You know, Bill, I've tried to be civil with you but you are obviously just plain ignorant. Grab your calculator (do you know what that is, Bill? I know it doesn't look like a crescent wrench but you might have heard of them before), divide 150 by 550 and you get .27 ad infinitum. Just to help you out here, Bill, that means you lost 27.3% which is nearly 30%. See how easy that is, Bill? Now let's take the guy who bought his LT50 in the mid-90's for around $1,100. He's selling it today for nearly the same price. Pretty cool, huh? BTW, in Dec. 2003 I paid less than $1,800 out the door. I don't expect to get that back but I made up for any difference in the endless reliability I've enjoyed. No broken frames, transmissions, or any other issues since the day I bought it. Good performance once the limiters were removed and I would wager it has well in excess of 300 hours on it, on the conservative side. But I digress. My point has always been to stay away from these cheap Chinese pieces of junk. They will only give you heartache. Go with the ones that have proven themselves, such as Kasea, Dinli, DRR, and eTon. They are more than the crap you will buy at the auto parts store or our own internet dealer here but less than the 'big four.' For your information, Valder, it's Dad that will be scrambling to find parts to fix the inevitable breakdown while soothing Jr.'s tears and trying to explain to him why his ATV is always broke. Hopefully, Dad will be kicking himself in the butt instead of berating the innocent kid for being unfortunate enough to be riding the Chinese piece of junk when it broke. One last thing, Bill. You should invest in a dictionary or at least ask your grandson to proofread your posts.
Posted by: digginfool
Don't know how I missed your earlier post but once again, Bill, you've proven yourself an ignorant jackass. The LT50A came out in 2002. Suzuki has been building the LT50 since the mid-80s. Check out the facts before you start plucking on the keyboard. I'll bet you're the know-it-all jackass at the local bar that has everyone shaking their heads everytime you leave, happy to see you on your way.
Posted by: nitrox
Double1.
What kind of air psi are you running?
I had 10 psi in my 150cc and it dawged down in sand, then read the book and droped it to 2.9psi and it helped a lot.
Nitrox
THIS IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF MY LIFE !!!
Posted by: lalnx
I would have to say don't, our mini falcon ran about 5 hours, then valve guide worked loose, no compression. Dealer supposedly put on new head from kazuma bike ran fine for about two weeks, untill guess what again no compression. Checked the valves again on ignition stroke, and once again something seems to be holding the valve out again. Has to be the guide again. thats twice now. bike has been down more than it has been run. This is all too bad, the rest of the quad is nice, hydraulic disk breaks, dual a-arms nice soft spring rate. Just cant' get the head right. And now I think the dealer is taking advantage of his caller I.D.
Posted by: lalnx
Hey Raceway, Have you guys seen this problem with the heads on the mini falcon 90, you must sell a fair number of them. The valve guide working loose, (I suppose when the head is hot) and holding the valve open. This is the second time with mine. Pretty coincidental that I get a second head and have the same problem. Maybe the dealer just pushed the guide back in and peened the edge a little with a center punch or something, just speculating, as I have not had the head off yet(which I shoudn't, its under warrenty). Dealer is some distance from my house, and I believe he is taking advantage of his caller I.D. and not returning my messages. Never knew you guys existed until now while checking the internet for problems related to the mini. Sounds like you guys have a better reputation than the guy who sold me mine is building.
Posted by: lalnx
Thanks for the reply again raceway, as it turns out my dealer was on vacation. He contacted me and said he had a head to send me. Meanwhile I pulled the engine out and removed the head. Found that it actually wasn't a slipped guide, but a piece of foreign material stuck in there. Hmmm, were did that come from? Time to roll the piston down, and there it is, the cylinder is galled. I removed the cylinder and piston as well. As near as I can see the indentations on the sides of the piston at the wrist pin are cast way to large, which didn't allow for sufficient material below the bottom ring. This caused that matterial to break loose and/or kind of smear away and damage the ring and cylinder. Now, I call this guy back and tell him I need more than just a head. He doesn't have any parts, he says I need to send him my bad parts, he will send them to kazuma, they will then send him new parts which he can send to me. Doesn't sound very efficient. I'm not very happy!
