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Posted by: garyc660R
Sorry to hear of the bad news there Seadawg. When these chinese quads have more consistant quality the big 4 (oops..now big 5 with Bomb on board) will be scrambling. I think some of these manufacturers are building a quality product....the ones that are still lagging behind are hurting the overall business.
Posted by: garyc660R
So does Seadawg have a clue or not? As long as a claim is warranted I see no problem.
Posted by: watzupdog
LOL. What a great start to the weekend. Keep it coming. LOL.
Posted by: watzupdog
he he he keep it coming.........
Posted by: watzupdog
A combine income of $110,000 a year and you bought those POS.
Posted by: watzupdog
Somebody from The retirement home in Florida needs there depends changed...
Posted by: watzupdog
Why buy a harley then. Why not just go out and get a POS motorcycle.
Posted by: watzupdog
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Originally posted by: hoytultratec
, OH WELL, THE FUNNY THING MY NEIGHBOR KID PROBABLY 20 YEARS OLD, HES GOT A BIG TRUCK PAYMENT, JUST BOUGHT A POLARIS PREDATOR BENT THE CRAP OUT OF THE FRAME, CANT GET IT FIXED NO MONEY TO MANY LOANS OUT SO TAKING OUT THESE LOANS TO BUY TOYS IS STUPID. SO DONT BE SO CONCERNED, WHAT I OR ANYONE ELSE SPENDS THERE MONEY ON.SEE YA
LOL... Turn off the caps. Your such a hypocrite... I could care less what you do with your $$$ or lack there of. Read your own post... I quoted the funny part above. You say DONT BE CONCERNED, WHAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SPENDS THERE MONEY ON. Yet you go into detail about what your neighbor spends his own. You crack me up....
Posted by: watzupdog
Well I'm sure the 3 people that I know from this forum that does work at McDonalds will appreciate the "McDonalds" Slam. But hey I'm the slammer right? Nice job..Way to go there hero.
Posted by: watzupdog
ROFL..... Nice Seadawg I'm sure thats not what you really wanted to say. LOL... He was just putting salt into an open wound. Laugh it off.
Posted by: watzupdog
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Originally posted by: TimN
I wish you guys would stop bickering though, life is to short!!
The overall jest of the post was "I give my kazuma adult atv 250 POS..." Not sure if you caught that are not. Anyway you (Tim) boast of your great happenings with your quad, and how the same dealer that seadog was using that screwed him over took such good care of you. I dont think that seadog really needed to hear that. Great you was taken care of by your dealer, seadog wasnt, why brag about it to him.. It seems as though hes over it, hes moved on.... But the salt in the wounds was your bragging about your quad when his was, as he stated a POS.... There now you know and take your own advice and not bicker about it.
Posted by: watzupdog
Great, glad were clear..
Posted by: mywifesquad
Good points Bill!
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: SEADAWG
Sir,
You win, you got me. It was a great ATV and I'm just an idiot. You showed me...I give. SEADAWG
SEADOG, thanks for all your input on this. I like hearing from both sides and it seems to me that the chinese arent ready to make a adult sized quad yet. Im sure youll be happy with your Honda.
Posted by: TimN
Well as most probably remember, I posted I had some problems w/ Great Lakes ATV when I purchased my Adult 250. After a few months, I must say, Paul over there made right by everything, and I got the parts from him that were damaged during shipping. So a thanks to him for correcting the problem. Anyways, I had recently only had a chance to put on the accelerator cable, and brake hose he sent, and had a slight problem starting initially, but I ebventually got her going. I just used i8amm instructions, and change the plug, oil, antifreeze, adjusted the valves, and voila~ she runs really good! I did not mess w/ the carb, as it seems ok so far. I brought my GPS w/ me, and I had her at 47 mph on a flat. I drove it for several hours last Sunday, and must say I was happy w/ how it performed. I'm not a serious rider, I just needed something to putt around on my property to keep up w/ my boys. I'm really not one to buy cheap things, but for a toy I use just occasionally I didnt wanna spend a fortune on. I've read alot of the negatives about this quad, so I guess I just got lucky so far. I also wanna thank i8amm, and Too many Toys for all the help on this bike, and my kids Falcon 110(which incidently has run like a top for 2 years now!!!) In closing, I'm overall happy w/ my purchase. I wish you guys would stop bickering though, life is to short!!
Posted by: TimN
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Originally posted by: watzupdog
ROFL..... Nice Seadawg I'm sure thats not what you really wanted to say. LOL... He was just putting salt into an open wound. Laugh it off.
I think Seadawg knows I wasnt "putting salt in his wounds". Him and I bought these quads at similar times w/ different results from the same dealer. I am reporting how the quad has worked out for me. I certainly do not delight in the fact Seadawg is out $1400, and that he nor anyone has had a bad experience w/ this quad. For me it worked out, and that is what I was stating. What made my post come of as being sarcastic?? I would really like to know.
Posted by: TimN
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Originally posted by: watzupdog
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Originally posted by: TimN
I wish you guys would stop bickering though, life is to short!!
The overall jest of the post was "I give my kazuma adult atv 250 POS..." Not sure if you caught that are not. Anyway you (Tim) boast of your great happenings with your quad, and how the same dealer that seadog was using that screwed him over took such good care of you. I dont think that seadog really needed to hear that. Great you was taken care of by your dealer, seadog wasnt, why brag about it to him.. It seems as though hes over it, hes moved on.... But the salt in the wounds was your bragging about your quad when his was, as he stated a POS.... There now you know and take your own advice and not bicker about it.
I slammed the dealer initially, but you werent involved w/ that months ago, as I was w/ Seadawg. To say I was bragging, you're way off base, as I dont think anyone else would take my post that way. Just reading your replies explains everything to me though.
Posted by: bigdumbfun
I think bills avatar is facing the wrong way and hoytultratec got picked on alot as a kid.
Posted by: bigdumbfun
How did the 110's do?
Posted by: cvc42
Hey since you guys are talking performance what could I do to get more power out of my Marshin 150 cc(GY6) motor. Bill do you have any thoughts?? I am looking form more low end tourqe and mid range power I almost didn't make it up a small hill the other day.
Thanks!!
Posted by: billl2099
sorry seadawg i don't feel sorry for you and i'll tell you why, first point the reason why the manifold split was that it was made for the 30mm kehien which has a smaller flange on it that the mikuni carb, yes the mikuni will fit but is very tight and must be very careful and use a little lube while installing it, you can't fit 10lbs of sh in a 5 lb bag without help. my second point is you really didn't expect to buy an off the shelf carb and not hafts rejet it, did you? these carbs only have a base line jetting in them, and not jetted for any one engine. third point you should have ordered the 30mm mikuni, this carb jetting is almost correct, little or no rejetting required, plus it won't hurt the low end performance like the 32mm will. fourth point is when you first stated to complain about no low end i told you to pm me and i'll sent you all the information on how to change the roller weights, you didn't, instead you changed the airfilter to a k&n, then it started to have starting and stalling problem, i then told you to pm me again and i'll sent you all jetting information you need for using the k&n airfilter, you didn't. the chainese are making these honda engine by the 10 of 1000's, all 250's atv with the single cylinder l/c uses this engine also every 250 buggy coming out of china uses this same engine. this engine was designed for the honda helix motor scooter and not for a atv but with little work like changeing the variator roller weights it makes a very good engine. right now their's plenty of high performance parts coming into the u.s., for this engine, like big bore kits, stroker kits, cams, racing clutches, 8 roller variators,kelvar belts. so what i'm getting at is you made some bad choices. i'd hardly call it a pos if i did't know what i was doing. if you need help let me know and together we can have it running like it should but need to take a step back.
bill
Posted by: billl2099
first let's get it streight, i didn't tell you to buy a new mikuuni carb. i said rejet the exsiting one correctly. the roller weights was the big and only thing you should have done. $30 and 30 minutes of time, thats its. you don't seen to want any accountability. but you're the one that screw everything up,
Posted by: billl2099
i'm not trying to win anything , just trying to point out the truth, the kazuma ran fine until you decided to make it better.
Posted by: billl2099
just smarter and more experienced than you
Posted by: billl2099
if you smart you'll notice that the old seadawg had already purchased a carb from dk. and the carb i offered is a 30mm replacement carb, not a 32 mm. i don't know why you think i'm a dealer, i'm 55 years old (RETIED) YOU STUPID FK. and 43 years as a mechanic with both team motocross and roadrace expeierence, can you say that.
Posted by: billl2099
seadawg knows everything, just ask him, by the way i'm not semiretired, i'm fully retired with only my investments as income which enought to do what ever i like .
Posted by: billl2099
the weights are 23.5x18 21gr stock, the after market rollers are 23x18mm , here's a couple of sources, www.miamimoto.com, www.awesomebuggies.com,look at titan II performance parts, www.indycycleranch.com. they have them but must call, they don't show them on their web site, i tried polini 14.8grs rollers from miami moto and found them to flat spot after a couple of hours, the rollers that i like so far are 15gr dr pully sliders, these are not rollers but sliders from union materials, they not only give the benefits of lower weights but also increases top end performance. 15gr seen to work best for the 250's , you might want to order a kelvar belt at the same time.
Posted by: smb05
SEADAWG,
Congratulations on your new Honda Recon 250ES I'm sure you will have many enjoyable (work free) hours on it.
I admire the fact that you hung in there and tried to get your Kazuma up to par. Fortunately you were able to sell it within record time, that's a plus. At least you can say you did the "been there, done that, will never do that again" thing.
Happy riding.
SB
Posted by: happydad
Bill 2099, I havent given up on my chineese quads, the 110 still runs great, and the dingo 150 is excellent for what we do, aside from the racks falling apart. No biggie. The adult falcon 250 has given me some work to do, but not that bad, I remember back when SEADOG was trying to get more power from his machine, you gave some advice on the roller weights, so I did some searchng and found a site w/ the variator "guru", and studied for a time on the operation of the variabe transmission. I know that the roller weights will give me what I need from this atv. My problem has been locating the weight I am looking for. The original weigts are 18mmx23.5mmx14 grams. Bill do you have a source I could get in touch with, or mabe you have a part #for the lighter weights of this size. Or do I need to purchase a new variator that is more versiatile? I am able to spend some money on this unit as I am waiting on a new transmission. Thanks Joe.
Posted by: SEADAWG
Guys, I want to thank you for all the advice and trying to get me going. I give. I went from stock...and we all know I couldn't get it to idle or run at low RPMs. Many gave me advice about new carbs, pipe, k and n filter ...change the jets and do this and that. Guys, I have a POS a lemon...but I have read nothing good about this quad. Trust me, I can't believe they let this out of the factory. I'm so glad I didn't sell my ATC Big Red. Today, testing out the jets it still didn't run right. I was still working it. Then, the rubber intake split on me. I have never worked on a new quad so much... I'm a f'ing fool and I give. Please know I run my 1974 XL175 and my 1983 Big Red in the woods all the time. I have spent more time on this then I do my old ones...not even close. I'm pis____ed that I'm such a fool...I thought I get something for nothing. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Guys,
I don't want you to feel sorry for me. I did everything you said, spent nearly $400.00 more dollars (except for roller weights) and it still sucks! I don't care about the manifold...I'm just warning others. I purchased a new Recon 250 ES. I bet I don't buy a carb...and....and....and...work on it...and....and...and. Hey, if you're happy with yours, more power to you and I'm happy. I admited I wanted Honda on the cheap. I sold it today for $1400.00 ...sucker I'm just glad I'm not hurting for money. No worries, I don't like to spend what I don't have to but went back with the HONDA. But as they say in the Navy...I'm pulling chocks on this POS! Good luck on yours. SEADAWG
Guys, Bill knows how to work on them. I buy them to ride and beat on. I never really got this one out in the woods...unless I pushed it.
Bill gets defensive because he is a Kazuma Dealer and pushes them. However, I will admit, if I gave him my old/NEW POS I just bought, for a few hundreds of dollars...it would probably work Anyway, my daughter still has a Redcat VX-80 so you will see me on this chat. My buddy still has a Redcat 200 and his son has a Kazuma 110. So, I will be warning people when others try to prey on the innocent. Keep up the honesty guys.
Oh, I have receipts to back me up on all I have said. My dealer will not even sell them...nor will RACEWAY!
Posted by: SEADAWG
SB,
Thanks...I don't give easily and you have posted the most intelligent posting to date without an agenda....Thanks! I gave my best. I'm happy for those that have done well. Thank you and thanks for all the help. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Sir,
You win, you got me. It was a great ATV and I'm just an idiot. You showed me...I give. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Guys,
I went to the woods for 4 days and see what happens...you guys get out of control I'm glad we are all pationate about riding and speaking honestly even if we disagree. It seems that people have had good luck with there Falcon 250 and I'm happy for them. However, if Kazuma is going to be taken seriously, they need to hire me. I retire next year from the Navy. See, I need 40 acres, mud, hills and etc and I'll tell you if they are ready for America or not.
I was in the woods this week with 3 Kazuma/Redcat 110, a Redcat DPX 200 and a Redcat VX-80....ready for my reviews? Some good and some not so good? I'm just glad this posting has shown I have some credibility. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
I posted them separately
Posted by: SEADAWG
Sir,
Great news. I'm glad yours worked out for you and is what you wanted. I have nothing but praise for you...great job!
SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
I hope what he is saying is true...honestly. Many have had some luck with them and that is what I wanted. I wanted a cheap ATV that could take a beating. If he is being dishonest, well, it will come out I can laugh at myself, no biggy Shoot, I just pis___ed away $1400.00
Posted by: i8amm
I'm in with SEADAWG, like my Falcon 250, his didn't run right from the start. Rejetting the Keihin CV carb doesn't fix anything. A bad carb design is a bad carb design. Just ask any Harley Davidson owner that had a bike with one of these on it. I can't really say has because everyone I know has replaced them with aftermarket carbs that run right. Variator weights don't take care of poor starting, idling and a long hesitation when you hit the throttle. They especially don't take care of low to no power.
i8amm
Posted by: ErikTheRed
That really sucks man, sorry to hear it. These Kazumas (and other brands) seem to be a hit-and-miss, some work fantastic for years while others wont work worth a damn from day 1. If these Chinese quads ever get any consistency, it'll do them good. My daughter's little Kazuma Falcon 90 is still doing great, but Ive heard others report nothing but trouble with em-- so who knows. Who did you buy the quad from, how long ago, and will they help? Sounds like you got a bad one, even worse than most bad ones.
Posted by: digginfool
It doesn't surprise me that Bill sells these things. I was even thinking that he sounded like a salesman in a post he made to a different thread. I'll bet he sells the Pierspeed, too. Let's see how hard you're laughing when the frame cracks right above or below the gusset for the swingarm pivot, Bill. Interesting design but poor execution. You have quite a bit of nerve, Mr. Bill, to rub it in Seadawg's face after the fact and dare to continue to expound on the virtues of the Chinese quads. Guess you gotta make the money while it's there to make, right Billy boy?
Posted by: digginfool
That's funny, Billy. Let's see if this refreshes your memory:
"...as far the carburetor i have a mikuni 30mm carb kit for the 250 kazuma,redcat, ect, any of the 250 water cooled with the cvt transmission, the kit includes the prejetted mikuni carb,spacer,throttle cable,k&n air filter,intake gasket,. if interest you can pm me....the only thing this caburetor will do is increase thottle response and not performance..."
You most certainly did tell him to buy the carb by virtue of the fact you offered to sell it to him and stated it would cure his complaint of poor throttle response. I haven't found on any post that you told him to rejet the existing carb. The bottom line here is that you want to be the pious salesman. In fact, you're just trying to save face to the other people here that you might be able to peddle your wares to. Everybody's got to make a living and there is a place for these Chinese quads but to continue to rub mud in the guy's face is inexcusable. Go find a new victim.
Posted by: digginfool
Well, Bill, Seadawg says you're a dealer (he would know better than I) and you're offering to sell parts to him so it kinda looks like you're a dealer to me... I'm a 47 year old engineer, semi-retired after having made my fortune in land development so I think I've one-upped ya there, buddy. As far as stupid, went to University of Florida and graduated with a 3.93 average. That's Summa Cum Laude to you, mister (you can look that up later).
Posted by: digginfool
I'm semi-retired because I'm young, enjoy my profession and don't want to sit around getting old and stupid living off my investments.
Posted by: hoytultratec
at least seadawg got to ride his atv, i got my 250 falcon almost 2 months ago still havent been able to ride it, came with a bad waterpump still havent recieved it( this sucks), after reading all this im scared, i think im going to fix it and sell it, the redcat 150 and the kazuma 110 are doing fine with about ten hours on them, got all the bugs out of them,
im not retired, work 60 hours a week, no college degree, make 60,000 a year.
my wife works 40 hours a week make 50,000 a year no college degree.
just a little info on me, since some of you guys are slammin each other so much( kinda funny).
oh yeah my dad can beat up your dad!!!!!!!!
thanks for the laughs guys im not getting involved in this i own 3 china quads i might need you guys for brains on these things,
good luck
hoyt
Posted by: hoytultratec
not hardcore rider, just beat around on the 40 acres, me and wife just got promoted, u see i still use 89 suburban 4x4, i save my money, kid cost me alot, big house payment, my s-10 has 200,000 miles 0n it my 2004 nissan exterra is my best vehicle
dont be so judgmental
workin on getting a harley next, too sit next next too my ranger boat, i got plans im 37 years old i got plans to retire by well lets say not 65 to 70,
if i wanted to spend 15,000 bucks on atvs i would, just not hardcore enough yet these p.o.s, are goos enough for now.
Posted by: hoytultratec
WATZUPDOG!
WHY YOU SO CONCEARNED WHAT I BUY? WHAT BRAND, WHERE ITS MADE? ME AND MY WIFE BOTH WORK OUR BUTTS OFF FOR OUR MONEY I FEEL VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE WHAT WE HAVE, IVE DONE IT BEING SMART WITH MONEY, I DONT TAKE OUT LOANS TO BUY ATVS MOTORCYCLES, BOATS, I SAVE MY MONEY TO PAY CASH FOR THE STUFF I BUY, IM 37 MY WIFE 30, WE OWN 40 ACRES OWN A HOME, THATS MY ONLY PAYMENTS LAND WASNT CHEAP BOUGHT THE HOUSE AT THE RIGHT TIME.. THAYS CALLED INVESTING, ATV ARE NOT INVESTMENT THEY LOSE MONEY, MY WIFES ATV IS FINE FOR HER, MY 10 YEAROLD SONS 110 IS FINE FOR HIM, YEAH I KICK MYSELF FOR SELLING THE THE 400 EXPLORER I HAD THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN I REALLY HAD NO ONE TO RIDE WITH, OH WELL, THE FUNNY THING MY NEIGHBOR KID PROBABLY 20 YEARS OLD, HES GOT A BIG TRUCK PAYMENT, JUST BOUGHT A POLARIS PREDATOR BENT THE CRAP OUT OF THE FRAME, CANT GET IT FIXED NO MONEY TO MANY LOANS OUT SO TAKING OUT THESE LOANS TO BUY TOYS IS STUPID.
SO I WILL SAVE UP I HOPE ABOUT 16,000 DOLLERS BY NEXT SUMMER TO BUY A HARLEY, I GOT ABOUT HALF IF YOUR SO CONCERNED OK HARLEYS DONT LOSE TO MUCH MONEY, 2 YEARS AGO I SOLD THE HONDA SPORTBIKE, THING WAS TO FAST DIDNT WANT TO KILL MYSELF ON IT.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE IM NOT A HARDCORE ATVER, JUST PUTZ AROUND ON MY LAND ON THEM SO DONT BE SO CONCERNED, WHAT I OR ANYONE ELSE SPENDS THERE MONEY ON.
SEE YA
Posted by: hoytultratec
when you gonna quit? this is getting old you never said what you ride? why you on the other atv message board, are you just a prowler looking and slammin everyone else you probably got a china quad, dont you , you dont have to be embarrased no one on here will laugh at you, do you have a jap atv how much are your payments at what percent interest, im sorry my money beliefs are different than your or anyone else im not slammin no one by any means, when im ready to buy a real atv i will ok.. and pay cash.
i think your shift at mcdonalds is about to start
im done with this b.s
thanks to anyone on these forums who give real and good advise without all the b.s your doing a great service to people who dont know alot about these things,
thank you
Posted by: hoytultratec
just slammin you back no one else everyone else on here seems fine , got some good advice via p.m from someone learned a few things on these forums, just by reading what you have to say wich doesnt mean crap to me. your not the sharpest tool in the shed but your my new hero.
like i said im done posting on this thread so have a nice one and enjoy lurking around here with your b.s
enjoy the ride on your china quad, i know i did today
Posted by: nitrox
You Know some of you guys sound like people in the 1950's they complained about the Jap stuff coming into the states as junk they were right it was but now Jap stuf beats US stuff all to heck.
China stuff is getting better and in 5 years the high price poor quality US crap will go down the tubes. US factory workers want big bucks, big retirement and 8 hrs pay for 2 hrs of work
and in that 2 hrs they do crap work. YOU DONT THINK SO ? go buy a $25,000 us crap car and see what you get.
