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Posted by: RAMTechRC
You can get the Honda 250 EX for a few hundred more, $3600. I would suggest that. Maybe not in Canada, but anyone in the US that spends that kind of money for a Chiense quad is crazy.
Posted by: Bozzy
Hey Sawyer....I saw that Baja camo 250cc quad come in to our Pepboy's last year and I just fell in love with it....I crawl all over it and notice the excellent quality it had.....its only $ 2,499 here......I was ready to buy it......but then my old 4x4 vehicle went out on me so we had to buy a new 4x4 suv.....did manage to pick up one of those new KC Pitbikes.......which are fun too....has a big bike sound with the high performance exhaust....wish my 90 Baja sounded that cool.
Posted by: Bozzy
I see Baja has a new 400cc 4-wheel drive ATV now.......according to my lastest PepBoys sale ad.......listed at $ 4,400......wow they are not messing around and going after the bigger boys now.
Posted by: montyburns
I just bought a 250 Giovanni on Ebay for under 2000 delivered. Is this another rebadged Jianshe? It has chain drive which I don't really care for but the price was pretty cheap. Maybe someone can help me out, I went to Canadian Tire tonight and seen the Wilderness 250. I put it in neutral and picked up the rear end and spun the rear tires. Both tires then spun in the same direction. I was told when you did this to the Giovanni, the tires spun in opposite directions. Does this mean only one wheel will spin in the mud? If that's the case, this thing will be get stuck quite easily. Get what you pay for I guess.
Posted by: Sawyer
I see we now have that Baja utility 250 now at Canadian Tire on sale for $3000. I looked it over and I'd have to say this is bar none the nicest China quad I've looked over to date. 5 speed auto clutch, shaft drive, reverse, racks, hitch, strut suspension, electric start, pull start backup, air box & battery under the seat, etc.
I see now they even have a tag on it that says "change oil before starting" warning not to run it with the shipping oil.
Only thing that I found questionable was the carb as it looked kinda different. I don't know what kind of set up it is.
Does anyone have one yet and if so how does it work??
Posted by: Sawyer
Well up here you pay over $3000 for a little honda 90 quad! My father bought a standard Honda fourtrax 250 last fall and paid $4700 plus tax! The way our dollar is climbing up in value maybe the prices will come down some.
Maybe you guys can help us with a problem with the new Honda. I posted on the honda board but haven't got any results yet.
Like I said he has this new honda TRX 250 TM he bought for the farm. We've found it sure doesn't seem to shift as slick as my old 1985 TRX 250. This new quad really shifts hard!!! He is always complaining about the trouble he has shifting gears on it. He uses it daily around the farm feeding etc. In the winter with bigger boots on he ends up using his hand to pull the shifter up at times.
Is there an adjustment so it shifts as easy as the old Honda 250??
Also the engine doesn't run near as "smooth" as the old 250 in my quad, I suspect its just he change of design. But otherwise the quad is good, nice suspension and turns much sharper.
Posted by: Sawyer
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Originally posted by: nils
looking around more found this ad
http://asiangear.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/11280414/ATV.html
stating it has a yamaha engine, it does look like the old timberwolf 250 2x4
nils
We have a MFC dealer (good guy running it) up in Edmonton here and last fall I looked over a quad in the camouflage color that looked a lot like the Baja 250. It was only a 200 and had a manual clutch though. I can't remember what type of driveline it had. It did have the same sytle of strut front suspension.
But the Baja a CT is a far better price compared to what they wanted for thiers. But then they are "dealer" and offer full service ( have a licienced mechanic) and parts etc. So of course it can be expected thier going to charge more. Where as with the quads at CT "you" are the service personal! Which for some its no probelm who know this going in and some who are not mechianically inclined its a nightmare!!!!
CT is really putting the presure on a lot of these guys who started selling chinese quads the last couple years. Every 6 months it seems better built stuff with more features is coming into the country. So if you got a container of quads that have been sitting around for a year thats already getting outdated and over priced......ouch!
Let us know how this quad works!!
Posted by: Sawyer
Well last fall they wanted just under $5K for the honda or yamaha 250 up here. Heck they wanted over $3k for the little Honda 90 quad!
Posted by: Sawyer
Locally both the Baja 250 and the Janshe 250 are sold. One day I looked them both over and they are not the exact same quad from what I could see. Maybe different production runs or something?? who knows. I think they even have different displacements on the engine cc's etc. I didn't look at the frame manufacture plates on each one that day. Could be that they are made in different factories.
Posted by: Sawyer
I check all my chinese and Honda engines by setting the dip stick back down on top of the threads with out screwing it in all the way. Been doing it for 25 years that way one of my honda old owner's manuals must have said to do it that way or something.
Posted by: Sawyer
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Originally posted by: sspismo
Hello Sawyer:
Please be very careful when buying any type of mechanical or electronic device from China. I spend more than half my time in Vietnam. China is the best at making something look like something it is not. They are masters at making something look like it is quality but it is really made from poor quality materials. The people of Vietnam are poor. China dumps cheap products all over that region. Every product bought from china is viewed as disposable. In Vietnam they don't drive cars mostly motorcycles (scooters). You will see 30 year old hondas on the road every day. They will pay $7,000.00 USD for a quality product such as a Honda. They hesitate to pay $2,500.00 for a similar Chinese product. Looks the same lasts 3 to 4 years if you baby it. If you have a razor phone in Vietnam they will first compliment you then ask you where it's from. Take the battery out look and you see either, Japan, Singapore or China as the manufacturer. If it says Singapore or Japan they'll tell you "thats a good one" if it says China they'll tell you " don't drop it or it won't work any more". These people know Chinese products they are forced to be exposed to them every day.
I have 9 quads. Everything from a tricked out 100 horsepower 1987 banshee, brand new raptors, to 50cc suzuki quad for my kid. I would pay $10,000.00 for a Japanese ATV before I would pay $1,000.00 for a Chinese Quad.
You have to remember, China's sole purpose right now is to pay their people nothing with a currency they print themselves that is tied to no other currency and use that to manufacture goods to sell to the world in exchange for hard currency to fill their war coffins to build a military. Their ambitions are set on being te dominate power in the world.
They just make products that look good that are worthless as a way to exchange their worthless money for good money to buy what they need so they can kick our ass in a war when the time comes. Don't buy chinese goods. It's not good for you, me, our contries or our families. Think about the North Korea situation. The next war is just a few years away. Don't help their economy help your own or someones that will help you. Buy good products not deceptions
I agree China produces some pretty crappy stuff with out question. However they do produce good products as well. I can buy a 18volt cheapo cordless drill from China for $20 or a Brand name drill for $150 which is also made in China.
The western world is addicted to cheap products from China. Probably the biggest China distributor in North America is Wal-mart!! How many billions of products sales do they have a year and how much is imported from China?? There is a huge trade imbalance.
Many western companies get parts made in China. Lets not be naive auto manufactures and ATV manufactures like honda, yamaha etc. also get stuff made in China. Like who doesn't tell me??
The USA sells stuff to China also like Agricultural products, Corn, Beans etc. But not enough to balance things out.
I guess you could say its buyer beware when buying stuff from China. No things are not always the same. However some things and not that bad for the money invested. And people should not be mislead in thinking the $900 quad a wal-mart is the exact same quad as a $2500 honda quad.
I've never said they were the same. I have said though that some of stuff is pretty good for the money spent on them.
Posted by: Sawyer
You should be able to lock up your rear brakes. Take them apart there could be crap on the shoes. One of the kids quads I have the rear brakes didnt' work right from new. I clean the shoes off but still no brakes. Went back to the dealer and got a new set and they've been working fine now for 2 years. My old Honda quad has brake issues but its when they get wet and muddy. They don't seem to like those conditons too much!
I didn't know the Baja 250's were being made by jianshe now. I know the Jainshee quad sure looks just ike the Baja 250 at CT but the time I checked the Baja was made in a different factory.
Posted by: Sawyer
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Originally posted by: Xnaron
There is no way in hell I can lock up my back brakes...I've even tried them adjusted to maximum braking...I should take apart the drum and take a look. On your front brake handle at the adjustment bolt is it touching the plunger when the brake is not applied and do you have some free play? To get any type of braking on the fronts I had to almost turn my bolt all the way in and it is depressing the plunger inside when the brake isn't applied. I put the bike on a stand and the front wheels freely rotate when I spin them with this setting so I know the brakes aren't engaging...I'd really like to know why my back brakes are so weak... Which model of the 250 do you have the lonshin or the jianshe? I have the jianshe model.
Brendin
I have the Loncin model. Your rears may also have some contaminants on the shoes as well. Take the rear one apart and clean and sand the drum and shoes and see if that helps. I forgot to mention on my previous post that if the contamination has been absorbed deep down in the brake material, then the only way to get good brakes is to clean the drum and rotors and replace the pads and shoes. When I have to do mine I will be using Yamaha parts. Hope you get them working soon.
If the china ones don't seem to work or got too soaked with stuff you could try the Yamaha ones like you said. Or got to a clutch and brake shop and just have them reline the shoes or pads etc. I've done this before when I couldn't get a brake part or the dealer wanted a stupid price for it. Also they can usally put on better stuff then what came from the factory, just tell them the application there to be used in. I think the little brake shoes on my Honda quad go for 80 bucks!!! The friction materail on them is worth like $5 tops.
Posted by: smb05
I was looking around this weekend at new places to ride here in California and stumbled on this video of a test ride of a Roketa RTU-250. This quad looks very similar to the ones you guys are riding. They look like they can take a pretty good beating. Almost makes me want to purchase one. Anyways just thought I would share the video in case others are looking into purchasing one and have always wondered how they would perform. As far as how they will last is another thing and I guess only time will tell. Here is the link to the video in case anyone wants to see. Adult 250cc Wish you guys lots of luck with your new quads.
Happy riding.
SB
Posted by: smb05
XxBamBam2xX,
I too was impressed with the quad's performance.
I am looking forward to a trip to Calico Ghost Town OHV area too. Looks like a great place to ride and spend some time exploring.
SB
Posted by: smb05
XxBamBam2xX,
The place is called Calico. It's a Ghost town with OHV riding areas around it. Looks like there are a lot of areas to explore. We were going to make a day trip last Sunday, but the kids did not want to sit in the Truck for 6 hours round trip. When we go, it will be for a couple of days. We may also have to schedule the trip later in the year, the temps are a little high right now.
Here is a link to Calico Calico Ghost Town & OHV Area
As far as an off brand holding up to that kind of riding, only time will tell. When owners post what they have put their quads through, and if their quads are holding up is the only way to tell. I have a 150 Off Brand ATV and it has held up pretty good so far. I have had a few issues but nothing that couldn't be fixed or modified. Here is a link to a video of my 150 and some mild torture my son did to the quad. Mild Torture Test 150cc
SB.
Posted by: smb05
XxBamBam2xX,
The stock exhaust on my 150 was very quiet. The reason why I put the Big Gun exhaust on the quad, is I needed a legal spark arrester when we ride on USFS land and all of the Pay OHV areas where we ride. The rangers check our bikes and quads every time we enter the parks.
Sorry to those in the thread, I did not mean to deviate from the Baja 250 topic.
Have a good one. BR>
SB.
Posted by: rodneygt
I hope it is a bear traker clone as yamaha will be an additional source of parts. The yamaha 250 timberwolf, 250 bear tracker and 250 bruin are all very similar - mostly cosmetic upgrades, I think. We have no problem getting parts for the timberwolf - even oddball parts after 13 years.
I am surprised that they are selling many of this size chinese bike, however. You can buy new honda recons or 250 bruins around here for about $2800 (U.S.) now. Apparently the price difference is Canada is greater.
Rodney
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
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Originally posted by: Sawyer
Well up here you pay over $3000 for a little honda 90 quad! My father bought a standard Honda fourtrax 250 last fall and paid $4700 plus tax! The way our dollar is climbing up in value maybe the prices will come down some.
Maybe you guys can help us with a problem with the new Honda. I posted on the honda board but haven't got any results yet.
Like I said he has this new honda TRX 250 TM he bought for the farm. We've found it sure doesn't seem to shift as slick as my old 1985 TRX 250. This new quad really shifts hard!!! He is always complaining about the trouble he has shifting gears on it. He uses it daily around the farm feeding etc. In the winter with bigger boots on he ends up using his hand to pull the shifter up at times.
Is there an adjustment so it shifts as easy as the old Honda 250??
Also the engine doesn't run near as "smooth" as the old 250 in my quad, I suspect its just he change of design. But otherwise the quad is good, nice suspension and turns much sharper.
The thing about the gear shifting problem is that you need a new clutch plate there pretty cheap my friend has the kawasaki lakota and he just ordered a new clutch plate for it, it will supposivly help but for right now just give it a little gas when you shift it will help it shift easier
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
that video os awesome that quad looks really good one of the best off brands ive seen it looks like its pretty good and can go places name brand atv's can go plus that place he is riding at looks awesome i wish i could go riding there lol
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
hey smb05 where is that at the video and where is the place your going for your trip. This has been buggin me for a while how is the suspension on the off brnads or has any one actually really tested it (like jumps or anything) i just have been wondering because you never really know about the off brands
Posted by: XxBamBam2xX
smb05, that video was really cool i was suprised about the jumps the off brands are just getting better and better that link on the place to ride was cool i just wish it was a little closer to texas lol i wonder what the atv you have would sound like without the big gun exhaust but that video was really cool i was very impressed
Posted by: digginfool
Duuude,
Did you even read the article? Where did you get the idea they own 50% of each other? It's a joint venture to market Yamaha-branded cycles for sale in China. Yamaha will own 35% of the joint venture and the two existing Yamaha joint ventures will be merged into one, called Zhouzhou Jianshe Yamaha and they will handle the manufacturing. You need to read it again, brother.
Posted by: nils
After looking at this and kicking the tires, I decided to get one 2999CDN with a 50CDN build charge the CanadianTire store I went to wouldn't sell it to me in the crate, but they put it together and did the initial oil change. (Although going to change the oil again before I head out anyways just to make sure. So once I flipped throught the manuals to find out about parts...
The Bike is made by Jianshe http://www.jianshetrade.com/atv/atvone.asp?sid=34&cx=JS250ATV-3 might be the js250atv-3a badged as a Puma.
Looks like the different importers have slightly different taillights/headlights/instrument panel/tires but frames/engines are the same
Listing a few of the other rebadged ones for looking up parts
Afl quads http://www.atvforless.com/LM250.htm has different tires, tail light
http://www.midwestmv.com/quads/NWMlion_specs.html "Jianshe Mountain Lion 250"- storage bars are different
Pepboys have one, not sure if they list any parts or it
http://www.pepboys.com/transportation/atv/9386754_wd250-u-atv.html
Bunch imported into the UK and Austrilia with the Jianshe(Puma and Mountain Lion) name just different fender flares/bars/lights depending on importer
http://www.jianshe.co.uk/docs/puma250-spec.htm
http://www.zuma.com.au/JianshePuma250ATV.htm
Many other dealers in other counties
Going to try and get it muddy this weekend will let you know how it works (if I can get out)
Nils
Posted by: nils
looking around more found this ad
http://asiangear.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/11280414/ATV.html
stating it has a yamaha engine, it does look like the old timberwolf 250 2x4
Posted by: nils
sorry I haven't posted this before.
I've had the Baja 250 now for 3 weeks put a couple 100 k/h(200 kilos about 125 miles)
My first test ride to check full speed outside I stopped at around 55 k/h(about 35 miles an hour) I had to slow down due to a very stiff suspension. (this was in the first 4 or so kilometers).
We took it up and down some pretty challenging trails (http://www.mountainair.ca/locate.html). It climbed every hill we tried maybe not as fast as some of the big 4x4s, but it kept up with a Yamaha Wolverine 450 4x4 and Suzuki Eiger 400 4x4(think it's a 400). Lots of mud and rocky ground.(until the suspension loosed up rocky ground was a bit rough)
At around 115kilometers(70ish miles) I had a chance to try a private gravel road and was doing about 75 K/h(46 miles?) no shimmering, no bouncing, pretty much like any quad I've rode.
It's taken some damage all driver error my son drove it into a rut that hit the front end bending the bars on the left and cracking a weld, also while he was trying to skim by a tree he broke a side reflector and put a small crack in the plastic in the corner it won't grow but o'well got to tease him a bit about it .
We had 2 bolts rattle loose one for right rock guard by the foot peg, the guard bent down before I saw that it was loose bent it back replaced the bolt with a bit of locktight nps. The other was for the tool box bolt on the bottom it's a pin hanv't found a replacement yet. Oh also the little tool set bag busted open, and the cheap pliers rattle the screw out of itself easy to get a new bag and better pliers. was going to put the tools in a glad plastic box and give it a tape up should keep things clean and dry till needed.
Don't forget the oil change, first oil change produced a very silver metal fleck oil. if I had to do it over I'd have done it sooner and again after a few more hours just to be safe.
All and all it's been a good atv, can't complain about anything yet...
nils
Posted by: nils
when I ment sooner I'd have done it around 7 hours and again around 15 or so instead of 10 hours and 10 again
Posted by: nils
Gear oil in our atv was non existance at purchase so I had drained what was in it, and added new. (sorry forgot about that)
Nils
Posted by: mbmudder
I'am also thinking about getting one.It says no payments for 12 months on the 90cc and 250cc baja.Whats is the power like, does it do good in the mud?
Posted by: keeper
Just got back from 2 weeks Moose hunting.
Was in Canada North.
Bike handled Great!.
Traveled many miles on old logging roads.No problems at all!
Honda & Artic bikes were impressed by this bike.
Only issue was parking brake latch rattled off somewhere in bush.
Posted by: keeper
put on a Superwinch my wife bought me.
Had 2 pieces of plate bend at machine shop.
Attached winch to plate and installed.
Cut mud guard around winch to look like factory.
did not have to remove anything!
Slipped right in.
Posted by: Xnaron
So how did the Canadian Tire 250CC ATV do in the mud? I am thinking of picking one up too and am interested to hear some feedback on them.
Thanks,
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
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Originally posted by: mbmudder
I'am also thinking about getting one.It says no payments for 12 months on the 90cc and 250cc baja.Whats is the power like, does it do good in the mud?
Some things to watch for:
- Seat not latched properly (mine had the white catches at the front squished together so it wouldn't catch. It was also hard to latch. I fixed it by prying the squished catches apart.
- Brakes weren't adjusted very well. I adjusted but rear break is still a little soft. Will have to try again
Brendin
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Posted by: Xnaron
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Originally posted by: garber
thanks Nills
when i changed my oil i also checked the gear oil and it was full. it smelled like gear oil so i left it in.
did you check yours and or did you change it.
Thanks
I checked my gear oil and it came gushing out the top bolt. The manual says that it should be full up to almost the bottom of the stopper bolt. Mine was yellow in color.
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
Check this link out...http://www.ecplaza.net/tradeleads/seller/2277708/js250atv.html#none At the bottom it says "NOTES: the entire vehicle is produced by YAMAHA technology " when referring to the build for the Jianshe ATV 250 aka Baja Wilderness 250. I did some looking around Jianshes website and they say that they produce OEM parts for Yamaha (engines etc).
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
I am pretty sure the Wilderness ATV 250 is a clone of the Yamaha bear tracker 250. The specs are identical as well as the mechanicals. Go to yamaha's website and look through the manual for the 2004 bear tracker. The pictures show that it is mechanically the same ATV. Not suprising since JianShe makes parts for Yamaha. Anyhow I wonder if the parts will be compatible.
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outdoor/service/viewmanuals/viewmanuals.aspx?ls=outdoor
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-yamaha-bear-tracker-ATV-250-4-wheeler-4-wheeler_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6725QQitemZ4643576899QQrdZ1
Check out page 74 (7-10) of the manual. It shows how to set the speed limiter. It is identical to the one on the wilderness 250
Posted by: Xnaron
http://www.jym.com.cn/english/company/ecompany.htm
http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/global/news/2004/05/13/china.html
Posted by: Xnaron
Yeah... I realized that after reading the second article...thanks for the correction.
The first link contained this statement which I based my post on... after reading the second article I realized my mistake but didn't correct my post.
First article
http://www.jym.com.cn/english/company/ecompany.htm
Statement in it...
"Investment Percent: 50% each"
Posted by: Xnaron
How do you find the shifting on your second one? Mine is stiff but loosens up when it warms up. It is a little hard to shift into second. I think it will probably wear in and get smoother with use. Also the manual says that it can be started in any gear. I could only start mine in neutral at first. Then I was able to start it in 1st but no other gear. I adjusted my clutch according to the manual thinking it would help with the sticky shifter but it didn't. It says to turn the adjustment ccw until you feel resirtance then turn it 1/8 turn cw and lock it down. How much resistance do they mean? Till you notice the screw getting harder to turn ccw or till it won't turn any more ccw?
Canadian Tire filled my tires up to 32PSI...which is ok for a gravel road but way above the 3.3 and 4psi they recommend for off road use.
Thanks,
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
Well I was already to buy my second Baja 250 atv at Canadian Tire (west end store)... The person closing the deal mentions that Canadian Tire is no longer a service center and that if I have any problems I don't deal with them but rather one of 3 other local repair shops. She then shows me a list of 3 local motor cycle parts and serivce centers. The first one on the list was Edmonton Motorcycle and salvage. Well I've dealt with them before and the thought of them servicing or providing any warranty support for the ATV is down right frightening. The main reason I bought this ATV is that Canadian Tire is a big company and I thought they would stand behind their product. When I bought my ATV I was told by the store manager that they were the authorized service center for the ATV's and that they had a certified mechanic on staff. I still need to check with the manager at the store I bought my first ATV from to see if this position for service and warranty has changed like the people at the west end store stated. Anyhow I didn't buy the second atv.
UPDATE: I talked to the manager at the south side Canadian Tire. He informed me that the south side store is a certified repair depot and that I can get parts or service for the atv directly from them. This is great news. I'll be buying the second quad from this store... The manager their provides really exellent service.
The baja 250's coming in are quite a bit different then the one I bought in May.
Changes include:
- Two electric fans to cool the cylinder head
- New LCD speedometer. (it doesn't show what gear you are in)
- New thumb throttle (completely new mechanism)
- New manual remote choke on left grip. Also the stop/run kill switch is a lot like turn signal indicator on a motorcycle.
- New license plate mount and metal rings on rubber straps that hold up tail light cover
- New 12V accessory plug on top left fron fender
- redesigned foot mounts including supports at front bottom to prevent the fender from being pushed.
- New tires. More square in shape with lower nubs
- Seat is black plastic instead of white underneath
- new exhaust shield on right side
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
Did they email it to you? I'd like a copy of the service manual as well. How many km's do you have on yours? I am at 280.
Thanks,
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
Mine chatters too sometimes. I have changed the only twice. Once when I got it and once at about 180km's. There was some metal flakes in the oil. I haven't looked at the spark plug yet. I'll check it out and let you know. Who did you talk to when you requested the sevice manual?
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
I have 350km's on my baja 250 now...I noticed that it has started leaking oil at the rubber boot where the engine meets the drive shaft. I took the boot off and there was some oil pooled up in it. I don't know if it just sprung a leak or if it has been slowly building up over time. Any of you guys get any oil leaking out of there? The clamps for the rubber boot aren't the greatest.
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
I am going to fix it myself as the warranty only covers parts and I don't really feel like paying someone by the hour to tear it apart and figure it out. I had baja email me a parts breakdown. They said they couldn't email the service manual as it is too big for their mail server. They said they would mail me a copy but then I received an email from emile saying only there service centers can have the service manual. I am calling the guy I talked to to see if he sent it out.
Garber- can you look in the service manual and see if you can see an oil seal somewhere in the plate that the rubber boot attaches to on the motor side?
Thanks,
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
thanks...I sent you a private message with my email address.
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
Canadian Tire sells ones made by Jianshe and ones made by Loncin. They are similar but not the same.
Posted by: Xnaron
The first one I got leaked gear oil out the seal between the drive shaft and gear box. I only had it for a couple of days and they exchanged it for me. 2 months after getting it I see it is leaking motor oil from where the drive shaft exits the transmission. I got the service manuals but the oil seal isn't apparent from the pics. I think fixing it is going to be a major job. I'd say it probably leaks about 1/2 oz of oil for every 100Kms. The oil leaks into the boot and collects in there and doesn't start leaking out of the boot until about 100km's from the last time you emptied it. I am not happy because I figure its probably going to cost a lot to get it fixed. Even with the 3 month parts warranty this type of problem will cost you $$$. I Will probably have it looked at next season. When I buy another quad it will be a Polaris or an Arctic cat. This was my first quad and now that I know I like it I am ready to step up to a higher quality one. I'll hand this one down to the wife and kids.
Posted by: Xnaron
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Originally posted by: 35Wailin
Has anyone been having trouble with their back brakes? They were good when I got the bike. I brought it in to get the speedo repaired and when I took it out again, I noticed I had no back brakes. I adjusted them again and went for a ride. All was well, but I noticed the second day that they were fading. When I took it off the trailer at home on Monday, I had very little braking power in the back again.
My back brakes basically just function as a parking brake. They have very little stopping power.
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
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Originally posted by: 35Wailin
OK, it`s not just me, then. I wonder if going to Yamaha Beartracker parts would help resolve that problem. From what I can tell, they're just copies anyway.
Your real stopping power comes from the front disc brakes. Be sure you wipe the discs clean of the shipping oil. Failure to do so will leave you with soft brakes. I also had to bleed air out of my brakes. The brakes on my quad both front and back were pretty much non-existant when I first got it.
BRendin
Posted by: Xnaron
screwed all the way in and then checked. Take it out...wipe it clean...then screw it in all the way and take it out and read it.
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
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Originally posted by: StructDj
Thanks but I called Canadian Tire where I purchased the baja 250 and talked with the person who serviced all the quads thier and he said to unscrew the dipstick and take it out, wipe it clean then insert it but don't screw it back in, then hall it back out and check its reading, So im still unsure about this he even said 'its a dipstick not a screw stick' Can some clear this up for me im going crossed eyed looking at this damn dipstick.
I could be wrong.... I did some research online and it looks like a lot of people check the oil just dipping it in till the threads touch. I don't think it says anything about this in the manual.
Posted by: Xnaron
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Originally posted by: garber
i checked the manual for the 250 bear tracker and it is as follows:
Screw the dipstick completely out, and
wipe the dipstick clean, then just rest the
dipstick in the hole.
Pull up the dipstick, and inspect the oil
level whether or not it is between maximum
and minimum level .
If the level is lower, add the oil up to the proper level.
I have always been screwing it in and then screwing it back out. from now on i will just rest it on the threads.
This is good to know...thanks
Posted by: Xnaron
I had oil leaking from the rubber boot as well. I took it to a shop and they said they couldn't see it leaking from inside the boot. They did find theat the sensor on the motor in front of the boot was leaking. He though the oil was running back and into the boot. Its a plastic sensor with a metal nut. It was striped and still leaking when I got it back from the shop. I won't be going back there anytime soon. I managed to fix the leak myself. Time will tell if that was the problem. I'll inspect the inside of the boot for oil in about 200KM more of use. I've got about 600KM's on mine now. I'll have to take a look at the wheels on mine. How do you think you lost the cotter pin?
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
My Brakes suck...they have from the start. I suspect the rotors were coated with oil for shipping and they weren't cleaned off by the Canadian Tire PDI guys. Anyhow the rotor are clean now. I still can't lock up the front tires and stopping distance is horrible. I have bled the brakes and topped up the brake with the proper fluid. The back brake isn't good either but I expect less from it. How are the brakes on your guys baja 250's? Any suggestions for making mine better?
thanks,
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
There is no way in hell I can lock up my back brakes...I've even tried them adjusted to maximum braking...I should take apart the drum and take a look. On your front brake handle at the adjustment bolt is it touching the plunger when the brake is not applied and do you have some free play? To get any type of braking on the fronts I had to almost turn my bolt all the way in and it is depressing the plunger inside when the brake isn't applied. I put the bike on a stand and the front wheels freely rotate when I spin them with this setting so I know the brakes aren't engaging...I'd really like to know why my back brakes are so weak... Which model of the 250 do you have the lonshin or the jianshe? I have the jianshe model.
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
I took the wheel off and opened up the drum. Looks like there was grease in there at one point. I cleaned and sanded the pads and the drum but that didn't help. I think I'll need to get the shoes relined or get some new ones. One thing I noticed was that the space where the drum meets the lip on the bike side wasn't evenly spaced all around. It was a little closer at the top then the bottom. I am wondering if somehow its crooked and is causing the pads not to make even contact with the drum. I suppose the easiest thing to do will be to try new shoes. If that doesn't work I know something else is up. I think I'll take the shoes and the drum to a brake shop and let them take a look. I'll probably just get the shoes re-lined. Thanks for the advice guys.
Brendin
Posted by: Xnaron
Originally posted by: fullup
To continue this thread, I have taken my Baja in for repairs. Has anyone else had problems with their front lower A arms where they connect to the frame. My problem is that the bushings are so worn out that it clunks terribly. They were loose right from the beginning so this was not a surprise. The bolts were tight from the start so it wasn't from that. It seemed like the bushings were worn out. The other problems are the speedo/odo do not work but the digital dash works fine(sensor is my guess), and the front wheel bearings are toast already. I pulled the hub off and there was no grease in them right from the factory. If this was still not under warranty I would have regreased them or replaced them at that time but why when I can get new ones for free. For those of you who have these, you may want to check the wheel bearings and regrease them. They are very easy to do.
So what kind of grease should you use and how do you do it?
thanks,
Brendin
Posted by: garber
i bought a wilderness 250 at canadain tire on may 22, the thing works good, i had them assemble it but i checked everything when i got home. good power even when riding double, climbs hills realy good.
so far so good
Posted by: garber
power is good, did not have it in much mud, i was climbing hills that i thought it would never go up..
starts good, runs smooth so far.
Posted by: garber
thanks Nills
when i changed my oil i also checked the gear oil and it was full. it smelled like gear oil so i left it in.
did you check yours and or did you change it.
Thanks
Posted by: garber
I liked the first one enough that my wife bought one to, i picked it up at Canadian tire ( this time i just picked up the crate and put it together myself).
After putting it together and taking it for a drive i noticed this machine was a little different from my first one.
The first thing i noticed was that clutch was slipping, i made an adjustment and it fixed the problem.
Second thing was that it kept stalling(only when going fast or heavy demands on throttle), problem was that the fuel line was so short that it had a kink in it, so i replaced with longer line and problem solved.
Third thing was digital display, when i turn machine off and restart it, the odometer goes back to zero. Not a big deal to me and i will call baja about it.
After working out these bugs the machine works good.
One last note
The boot on the drive shaft was half off and i had to put it back on and retighten the clamp.
I guess the guy on the assembly line was day dreaming when this one was put together, or it was built on a friday.
Posted by: garber
the shifting on mine is okay and i have my tires around 3 to 4 psi (need to get proper low tire gauge)
i adjusted my clutch as follows:
i losened lock nut and when i went to turn adjusting bolt ccw it was so tight i could not move it.
i turned it cw untill it was lose then i turned it ccw untill i felt some resistence, i then turn it cw 1/8 and tightned locknut.
this solved my slipage problem.
i hope this helps
Posted by: garber
i had another good weekend on the 250's, they worked good and there has been no problems.
i will have to change the oil on them soon as the mile keep racking up.
Posted by: garber
i just did the first service on the 250's and everything was good. the valve clearance was dead on, i changed the oil and cleaned the filter(it had alot of metal flakes on it), i changed the rear gear oil and i cleaned and re gaped the spark plug.
Both plugs were black ( dont know why as they are never low on oil and it always stays at same level).
checking valve clearance was not that hard, i did not have to take gas tank off (just the black side panels).
i emailed baja and they sent me a service manual, it was a photocopy of original but it did the trick.
stay happy with these machines.
Posted by: garber
i have about 250 kms on mine, baja tried to email me the manual but it was 50 megs and it would not come through so they sent me a photocopy of the book in the mail. i have to read it with a magnifying glass..no kidding..oh well it was free
my left head light burnt out as well and i have yet to replace it. i think i will get the yamaha beartracker manual on ebay. when i checked the valve clearance it was dead on but i still get a bit of chatter sometimes when i am driving, does yours do the same? maybe it is the nature of the beast.
have you guys checked your plugs yet ? mine were black but it does not burn any oil.
later
Posted by: garber
here is the email of the person i was dealing with
Emilie Vigneau [emilie@bajamotorsports.net]
she was very helpfull
Posted by: garber
no leaks on mine, i hope you can get yours fixed with out alot of fuss. the clamps on mine where not put on very good either.
good luck on your oil leak and let us know how it went
Posted by: garber
i scanned the page of the manual that shows how to take the drive shaft unit out and it gives a breakdown of the componets of the drive shaft unit (on the engine side).
do you have a email i could send the page to ? (it is a bitmap image), once you get it just increase the zoom and it is clear enough to read.
Posted by: garber
i did change to a higher grade of fuel after i cleaned the plugs, hopefully this will help get ride of the black plugs. the machine seems to run better.
Posted by: garber
My wife and i took one last run today on our wilderness 250's before the winter and they worked good.
they where sitting for about 2 months and the temp today was about 6 degress (burrrr...).
It took some cranking but they fired up and in about 10 minutes they fully warmed up.
I drained the gas and unhooked the battery after our run and they will sit till april .
Thinking about a winch on them, has any body done this yet ?
Sometimes mine is hard to put in reverse, i have to rock the machine back and forth and rev the engine a bit before it engages, does anybody else have this minor annonance?
later
Posted by: garber
the rear gear oil i used was bought from canadian tire. i used a regular gear oil 80w90 and it works fine.
as far as toe in here is how the manual says to do it.
place atv on flat ground
handlebars stright ahead
lift front of atv of ground a few inches so there is no wieght on tires
measure the distance at the top of the two front tires, the measurment must be taken from the center of each tire.
spin the tires 180 degress, now do the same measurement but it will be on the bottom of the tires.
there should be a diffrence of 0 to 5 mm.
hope this helps
Posted by: garber
i checked the manual for the 250 bear tracker and it is as follows:
Screw the dipstick completely out, and
wipe the dipstick clean, then just rest the
dipstick in the hole.
Pull up the dipstick, and inspect the oil
level whether or not it is between maximum
and minimum level .
If the level is lower, add the oil up to the proper level.
I have always been screwing it in and then screwing it back out. from now on i will just rest it on the threads.
Posted by: wgpen
A shop manual would sure be handy, Any way you can post a copy? I have had mine for 3 mnths and everthing is working fine. The ride is a little rough compared to my 450 polaris. I have installed a winch on the front and just last week I installed a new shift lever which uses the toe and heel, a lot easier to shift. All the parts look like the Yamaha beartracker 250, I bought a shop manual for the yamaha off ebay for $8.00. The front head lights burnt out and I replaced them with Yamha bulbs, a perfect fit.
I have adjusted the rear spring to a higher setting which has stopped the bouncing around on the trails. The machine seems to run forever on a tank of gas.
Regards to All
Posted by: wgpen
The back brakes have always been soft since day one. The adjustment seems to do nothing. Hope to look at it closer in the spring.
Posted by: motoss90
I bought a Baja 250. It wasnt quite as spiffed up and it cost less. The oil changing was a hassle so if ayone is too buy one, I recomend access to a very powerful drill. It is a good low cost quad. I do recomend buying it.img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
Posted by: Colson
I have one of the Wilerness Trail 250 and my speedometer stopped working. I replaced the sonsor, digital consol and the wire cable between both. I even phoned Baja for a service manual which they tell me they don't have! Do you have a service manual you could email me or send me in the right direction. Thanks
Posted by: 35Wailin
Hi, I got a Wilderness 250 a few weeks ago. My spedometer/odometer is not working from the store. I have a warranty work order in with my local repair shop for a speed sensor. I brought it back to CTC right away and they took my spedometer head and installed it on a bike which works and my speedo head works. They then took the working one and installed it on my and it didn't work. Obviously, it is not the speedo head. It must be the sensor or the wiring in between. I will keep you posted as to my progress. It has been alost two weeks that the sensor has been ordered. Hopefully soon. I want to get as much as possible out of my 90 day warranty.
Posted by: 35Wailin
I managed to get in touch with two people at BAJA. I sent one e-mail and got two replies. One said they would mail out manual and the other was to e-mail. We'll see. One person asked me which Baja 250 I had. They asked me to give them the first four letters of the VIN. guess that determines the different sub-models. If I get the e-mail manual, I will freely send an e-mail of the manual to anyone who requests it.
Posted by: 35Wailin
If anyone is interested, I have an electronic copy of the service manual for those bikes with a VIN starting with LLCL. It is quite large, consisting of five sections each about 12 to 15 Megs. I would ask that anyone who wants a copy to leave me a PM and I will send out the first one. You will have to download them off your mail server before I send out the next section or it will bounce. I may not get to it immediately, but I am on the web several times a week.
Posted by: 35Wailin
No problem, MYTOY. I just need your e-mail and I'll send it out in five parts over a few days.
Posted by: 35Wailin
No problem. Some of the files are pushing or slightly over 10Mbytes. Make sure your server can handle that and I'll get on it early next week. Got to go to work now for the next three nights.
Later.
Have a good weekend.
Posted by: 35Wailin
Has anyone been having trouble with their back brakes? They were good when I got the bike. I brought it in to get the speedo repaired and when I took it out again, I noticed I had no back brakes. I adjusted them again and went for a ride. All was well, but I noticed the second day that they were fading. When I took it off the trailer at home on Monday, I had very little braking power in the back again.
Posted by: 35Wailin
OK, it`s not just me, then. I wonder if going to Yamaha Beartracker parts would help resolve that problem. From what I can tell, they're just copies anyway.
Posted by: 35Wailin
Yeah, I have a winch on mine. My father-in-law installed it for me before I got a chance to even see the bike! He said it was a little difficult, because you have to take off the front rack to get enough room to work. I left the plastic mud guard/`skid plate`on and used a Dremel tool to trim it out so it looks like factory original setup.
Posted by: 35Wailin
According to my manual, it is translated from Chinese, I guess, because the English is horrible:
" Turn out the dipstick entirely, and clean it, and insert it back in the hole.
Take out the dipstick to check if the oil level is between the MAX. value and the MIN. value.
If the oil quantity is too small, fill some engine oil to make the oil quantity get to proper quantity. About recommended oil, see left diagram."
The diagram indicates that you should use the following grades for each temperature range.
0 degress C and below, 5W30
-10C to 35C, 10W30
5C to 45C, 20W40
The picture they showed for checking level shows the dipstick out of the crankcase, so it is not much help.
Posted by: 35Wailin
Sounds like your speed sensor is not working or the signal is not getting to the speedo head. Mine was not working right from the dealer. Had the speed sensor changed under warranty.
Posted by: 35Wailin
My fronts have worked great from day one with no adjustments. The rears however are a whole different story. They were not bad, but they soon got to the point where they were pretty nuch useless. I adjusted them and about 20 km down the trail, they were useless again. I adjust them and then a few kms down the trail, they are useless again. Either the friction material is made of marshmallow, or the adjustement hardware is not holding it`s position. I`ll try them out this summer, but if no better, I might try to stick some Yamaha parts on and see if that makes them better. I had an old Honda trail bike that I used to treat like a quad and never had any problems with the back brakes even when they were soaking wet and full of mud.
Posted by: buchcrai
Have had my BAJA 250 from CT for about 3 months now and haven't had any major issues. Had to adjust the front and rear breaks and the speedo cut out. But there is a new one on the way. I ordered some extra parts from BAJA, ie, nuts and bults, air filters etc.. and got everything without spending a single penny.. have taken it out on the trails and through the swamp.. also pulled around a small trailer for odd things and not a problem at all.. for 3 grand this is well worth it.. if i needed another i wouldn't think twice of getting another one..
Posted by: MYTOY
You said that the plugs were black. What octaine of fuel do you use? I have just purchased a wilderness 250 from CT and I see a label on it that says to use 92 octaine.
Posted by: MYTOY
Hay 35Walin, I have just purchased a wilderness 2500cc from canadian tire and would be very interested in getting my hands on manual.
Posted by: MYTOY
I have just got back from 2 weeks hunting with my new Wilderness 250cc. I found that using the left hand brake to operate the back brake I could not pull hard enough to lock up the back brakes. If I use the right foot brake the back axle could lock up. I think there is not enough machanical advantage with the hand brake. This works ok for me, if I am going down a hill and just want to slow down a bit I use the hand brake and if I need to stop then I use the right hand brake and right foot brake. I was going about 35k and used full right hand and foot brake and was able to do a 4 wheel lock up.
Posted by: pudman1000
I would like the service manual if you have the time to send it to me.
Puddisd@navcanada.ca
Posted by: pudman1000
I have had starter relay problems, also have lost the speedo not sure what
to do about that. Any help would be much appreciated. Another thing I was told
was that some have been swapping out ATV relays for ford truck relays and they last
longer and are much cheaper.
Posted by: Flounder17
Is this thing big enough to put a blade on and push snow?
It seems a good price otherwise
Posted by: fischertharp
I was wondering if anyone on this list might know who is manufacturing the Baja Wilderness 50 Camouflage ATVs that are being sold by Baja Motorsports? The camo is Real Tree Hardwoods.
Thanks, Brian
brian@fischertharp.com
Posted by: kansasbuggy
measuring at the top and bottom would be good for checking camber, but not toe. measure at the front and back of the tire to check toe.
Posted by: grumps
Garber, I got my Baja 250u on black friday (23rd Nov) from Pepboys for 1999.00 and so far it runs great. Sometimes I have to give it a gentle rock for it to go all the way into reverse, but I would say it is one out of ten times. I have a friend with a Yamaha bear that does it just about as often.
Posted by: StructDj
Hey guys just bought my new baja 250 I had to fool with the tie rods to get the thing to drive straight, I managed this but then was wondering if thiers a toe in or out measurement? I`ve look in the manual nothing there about it, so maybe someone here can help me with these specs if any? So question is, is thier a toe? If so is it in or out? if so whats the toe adjustment measurement?
Also my manual says to use (SAE 80 API "G-4 Hypoid gear oil) I can't find this gear oil anywhere in town, not even in the same canadian tire store where I purchased the quad. I was wondering if thier is a substitute gear oil I can use as a some what equivalent which won't harm the quad?
Thanks In Advance.
Posted by: StructDj
Hello can anyone tell me when checking the engine oil dipstick on the baja 250 if it should be screwed all the way in then checked or unscrewed and resting on top ?
Posted by: StructDj
Thanks but I called Canadian Tire where I purchased the baja 250 and talked with the person who serviced all the quads thier and he said to unscrew the dipstick and take it out, wipe it clean then insert it but don't screw it back in, then hall it back out and check its reading, So im still unsure about this he even said 'its a dipstick not a screw stick' Can some clear this up for me im going crossed eyed looking at this damn dipstick.
Posted by: StructDj
Thanks but I called Canadian Tire where I purchased the baja 250 and talked with the person who serviced all the quads thier and he said to unscrew the dipstick and take it out, wipe it clean then insert it but don't screw it back in, then hall it back out and check its reading, So im still unsure about this he even said 'its a dipstick not a screw stick' Can some clear this up for me im going crossed eyed looking at this damn dipstick.
Posted by: StructDj
Today my speedometer stopped working on my baja wilderness 250, but the numbers 00 km are still thier and the kms I put on it until it stopped working are thier, everything else lights up an seems fine, the speedometer stays at 00 km and same for miles when I switch it to miles, but I noticed once in awhile it will pick up the kms but only for a second or two then back to 00 km for the most part, and when its does come on only for a second the read is way off and to low what im actually traveling. Any ideas ?
Also when I turn the key the KMs count down from 9 to 0 like it did before, so im sure the digital display is working for the most part.
Posted by: fullup
My front and rear brakes are great. I can lock up the rears with my foot brake and the fronts will lock up easily. You may have oil on the pads. Just remove them and spray them with brake cleaner. Let them dry out then take some emery cloth and sand them down to roughen them up and get rid of the top layer of crud. Also clean the rotors again and give them a little sanding also. If the quad is still under warranty, just get them to put new ones on it.
Posted by: fullup
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Originally posted by: Xnaron
There is no way in hell I can lock up my back brakes...I've even tried them adjusted to maximum braking...I should take apart the drum and take a look. On your front brake handle at the adjustment bolt is it touching the plunger when the brake is not applied and do you have some free play? To get any type of braking on the fronts I had to almost turn my bolt all the way in and it is depressing the plunger inside when the brake isn't applied. I put the bike on a stand and the front wheels freely rotate when I spin them with this setting so I know the brakes aren't engaging...I'd really like to know why my back brakes are so weak... Which model of the 250 do you have the lonshin or the jianshe? I have the jianshe model.
Brendin
I have the Loncin model. Your rears may also have some contaminants on the shoes as well. Take the rear one apart and clean and sand the drum and shoes and see if that helps. I forgot to mention on my previous post that if the contamination has been absorbed deep down in the brake material, then the only way to get good brakes is to clean the drum and rotors and replace the pads and shoes. When I have to do mine I will be using Yamaha parts. Hope you get them working soon.
Posted by: fullup
To continue this thread, I have taken my Baja in for repairs. Has anyone else had problems with their front lower A arms where they connect to the frame. My problem is that the bushings are so worn out that it clunks terribly. They were loose right from the beginning so this was not a surprise. The bolts were tight from the start so it wasn't from that. It seemed like the bushings were worn out. The other problems are the speedo/odo do not work but the digital dash works fine(sensor is my guess), and the front wheel bearings are toast already. I pulled the hub off and there was no grease in them right from the factory. If this was still not under warranty I would have regreased them or replaced them at that time but why when I can get new ones for free. For those of you who have these, you may want to check the wheel bearings and regrease them. They are very easy to do.
Posted by: fullup
The bearings are sealed bearings. I have been successful at removing one side of the bearing and filling it with a good water resistant grease. Then put the side back on and install the bearing again. If you are not comfortable with removing the bearing and disassembly then I would wait until they are toast and order new ones from a bearing store or buy Yamaha(pricey). A good bearing store should be able to cross reference the # or take measurements and get you one.
Posted by: DanOMite01
Hi,
My brother-in-law and I both purchased a Wilderness 250. Prior to purchase I was quite sceptical and wasn't sure if I'd be happy with the machine. After months of research we both decided to go for it. All I have to say is YES!! The machine is well worth the money and is a ton of fun. I only has a minor issue with my machine; it was missing a front decal when it was delivered. I contacted Baja and they were more than helpful providing me with the decal. I think these guys are good people to deal with.
If you are like I was (on the fence about buying one) do it! You won't be disappointed!! My wife wasn't too thrilled about the purchase however she enjoys driving the unit too!!
We really tested the limits of the BAJA 250 this summer and I am really pleased with the results. For a 2X4 it performs well in the mud, on rocks and on sand. From time to time I wish it had a bit more power but overall a solid unit. I got mine up to 81KPH (with the wind and on a very level dirt road). Normally the unit has no issues getting up to 75KPH, above that depends on wind etc..
Anyways 400KM on the machine and all is well except for 2 broken fans, 2 broken headlights, weak back breaks (I think they have shipping oil on them... fixing soon), cracked front gaurd, and minor scrapes. Parts on order!
Posted by: DanOMite01
Does anyone have an electronic copy of the LLCL service manual for the BAJA 250? If yes please private message me and I'll send you my email address.
Thanks,
Dan
Posted by: sspismo
Hello Sawyer:
Please be very careful when buying any type of mechanical or electronic device from China. I spend more than half my time in Vietnam. China is the best at making something look like something it is not. They are masters at making something look like it is quality but it is really made from poor quality materials. The people of Vietnam are poor. China dumps cheap products all over that region. Every product bought from china is viewed as disposable. In Vietnam they don't drive cars mostly motorcycles (scooters). You will see 30 year old hondas on the road every day. They will pay $7,000.00 USD for a quality product such as a Honda. They hesitate to pay $2,500.00 for a similar Chinese product. Looks the same lasts 3 to 4 years if you baby it. If you have a razor phone in Vietnam they will first compliment you then ask you where it's from. Take the battery out look and you see either, Japan, Singapore or China as the manufacturer. If it says Singapore or Japan they'll tell you "thats a good one" if it says China they'll tell you " don't drop it or it won't work any more". These people know Chinese products they are forced to be exposed to them every day.
I have 9 quads. Everything from a tricked out 100 horsepower 1987 banshee, brand new raptors, to 50cc suzuki quad for my kid. I would pay $10,000.00 for a Japanese ATV before I would pay $1,000.00 for a Chinese Quad.
You have to remember, China's sole purpose right now is to pay their people nothing with a currency they print themselves that is tied to no other currency and use that to manufacture goods to sell to the world in exchange for hard currency to fill their war coffins to build a military. Their ambitions are set on being te dominate power in the world.
They just make products that look good that are worthless as a way to exchange their worthless money for good money to buy what they need so they can kick our ass in a war when the time comes. Don't buy chinese goods. It's not good for you, me, our contries or our families. Think about the North Korea situation. The next war is just a few years away. Don't help their economy help your own or someones that will help you. Buy good products not deceptions
Posted by: Chris73
Hi all Im new around here. I purchaced the 250 Baja from Canadian Tire in Sept 06, my first ATV. After carfully following the break-in instructions I started doing some nice trails, Im around 1000 Km's on it now with no real problems exept for some oil leaking from the rubber boot that conects the drive shaft. Last week I was doing some doughnuts in the gravel and my rear wheel flew right off!. I got it home, I found I had lost the cotter pin some how. Under closer inspection I noticed all the splines in the drum had been warn down to nothing. So I am now waiting for my new drum.
Posted by: Chris73
Still waiting for my new drum, it's been 3 weeks. My front brakes have worked great since day one with out ajustment. my rear brakes haven't in months.
Posted by: timber tantrum
me and my buddies went out last weekend with our atv's mine a yamaha 250, a honda 250, and my frieds new baja 250. we laughed at him for buying it expecting it to really suck. but 50km down the trail my friends honda broke a front rim, the bolts actually pulled through the rim, there was no chance of fixing it there and we dident want to try and tow it behind with a rope......we where stuck. finally after a while i cane up with an idea to put the front of the honda on the back of the baja(since mine dident have the rack on it.) strap it down and tow it like that and see how far we could go. i was sceptical but once we started goin it wasnt so bad. on steep hills it had enough traction and power to pull itself me and the other atv up. in the mud it done fairly good only got stuck twice. and on the straight stretches i could actually get it up to a good speed without anything going wrong. its only been the first real ride we have taken it on but so far so good. the only thing that happened was the rack got a bit scratched. im really impresed with it and even thinkin about getting one for my girlfriend.
Posted by: ghcoe
I just picked up a Marshin Titan for $1605.00 including shipping. Looks just like the BAHA and Wilderness. I was pleasantly suprised that it was already road ready. Rear view mirrors, turn signals, horn, even has passing light button. Wow, hard to believe. Runs beautifully, all bolts have been marked that they have been torque checked, nyloc nuts, dipped frame, wrinkle finished powder coated racks, power supply outlet. Hard to believe anyone would have something bad to say about these units. Maybe they are just jelous. Woops, did I say that out loud?
George.
