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Posted by: 2manytoys
Seadawg,
Why did you not go with JetMoto? I know Kazuma has been pretty good for the smaller quads but from everything that I hae seen and read the adult Kazumas are not up to par. I had a Kazuma falcon 110 for my son and I was not impressed with it so I went with the Yamoto. I still have the Yamoto.
Posted by: paintballbanshee
You have a good quad there, try to make it better. Make your quad a positive experience for you and others and let them know how you did it. Not one that is negative.
Good Luck.
SB
can u shut up because seadwg is trying to help other people. Not make it negative, u make it negative, i dont beleive after evrything he has said that u can write how he is making it so bad. Why dont you just keep your mouth shut or try to help him.
SEADAWG - You can try to see if another 250cc pipe would work for it, buy a new carb, (bigger and bigger air filter) and rejet that puppy. Dont tear into it.. it will run much better with just pipe carb and filter. If you dont know how to go into an engine, you will probobly just break it trying, Trust me, I KNOW
Posted by: paintballbanshee
goood luck seadawg!! Hey maybe you can put that thing on a diet??
Posted by: billl2099
seadawg, you have a great atc, what you need to do is replace the heavy roller weights in the variator to lighter ones, this is a simple job takes around 30 minutes and costs about 20 dollars, this is best performance mod you can make . what this will do is keep it in a lower gear where the power band of the engine is. once you do this i'll guarantee you're be much more happier with the 250. it's like nite and day.
Posted by: billl2099
try www.mrp-speed.com, or www.miamimoto.com. what size and weight did you come up with? these engines were designed for motor scooters originally. my kazuma 150 is a honda gy6 clone, my 250 buggy is a honda cn250 clone. both made for honda motor scooters. let me know what you measured and i'll look around for you.
Posted by: billl2099
kazuma did not design these engines, they were designed by honda and used as scooter engines, a few years back honda sold the tooling to the chainese, thats just one reason why their quit cheaper than the japs, their's not a lot of high perfornance parts for these engines, you can buy a regound cam, ,k&n air filters, rollers weights, rejet, change the muffler, porting , thats just about it. if you don't want to work on the atv yourself take to a service center and have them change the roller weights shouldn't cost more than 80-90 dollars to have them do it, well worth the money, also what else i would do since you're complaining of being cold nature is to change the pilot jet, right now i think its a #38, i'd change it to a 42 maybe a 45, that will make it start and run better when cold.
Posted by: billl2099
if you need more information on how to change the roller weights , learn how the cvt transmissin works or any mods for the 250, go to www.buggynews.com.
Posted by: billl2099
i can't belived what i'm reading seadawg, warning others ? so what i hearing from you is not to buy anything with a 250 engine made in china? honda made these engines since the early 80's and you're complaining that kazuma should have all the after market parts for them, kazuma buys these engines from another chinese manufacturer, this manufacture makes the engine the same as honda use to. they didn't change anything including the roller weights in the variator, you could go down to your honda dealer and buy replacement parts for this engine. this 250 is used buy at least 90% of all 250 motorcycles,atv, scooters, and buggies being made in china. so why are you blaming kazuma for lack of performance parts? why not honda? or the after market manufactors? as far as the carbuators being junk, i bet it work fine until you installed the k&n airfilter, then it began hard starting and cold natured, and i bet all you did was changed the main jet, if you want to know what jets to use pm me and i'll be more than happy to tell you. their's nothing wrong with these carbuators if the jetting correct. my peirspeed is a 250 and i have it jetted correctly, i can start it and gas it right away and does not stall, doesn't back fire , it just goes. one more thing if you can change oil and have a 8mm and a 18 or 19mm socket you should be able to change the roller weights without a problem. if you want more information on how to do it let me know. this is a great and very reliable engine as it should be it's been around almost 30 years.
Posted by: billl2099
seadawg i really don't think you're dumb or a fool , just disappoint. remember were here to help you and not judge you, i was the same way when i first drove my peirspeed , their's no low end torque on these engines, but you can change that by changing the rollers, i went from the stock 21gr rollers to 15gr sliders not only did it help the bottom end performance it also increased top speed by 1.3mph. i'm very please with the engine now and think once you do this change yourself and rejet correctly you'll reget saying anything negative about your kazuma.
bill
Posted by: smb05
SEADAWG,
I am sorry to you are so unhappy with your Adult Kazuma 250. Here is the thing, Kazuma is not going to come up with the repairs or the after market parts for you. It is going to be up to you to upgrade your quad. There are a lot of people trying to help you, but you just keep complaining about Kazuma and the quad you bought. There are plenty of things you can do to make your quad perform better. Take everyone's advice, because it is good advice and fix your quad yourself. No one else is going to do it for you.(unless you want to pay top dollar for labor) I'm sorry this sounds so harsh but the complaining is going to get you nowhere. Also I have to agree with the person who said you have a good quad there. I also think your quad has a lot of potential.
Once you get the quad to preform the way it should, share this information with others let them know what you did and how you got there. Make your purchase a positive one not just the negative issues you are having.
Reread all your post and the advice people are trying to give you. They have already answered your questions on how to get better performance out of your quad. Heck, if was mine I would have already put a new pipe on it, rejetted or replaced the carb all together, new air filter, opened up the air box if it has one, installed new roller weights in the CVT, looked for and upgrade on the contra spring, looked into an upgrade on the clutch in the CVT, looked into new sprockets front and rear. The list could go on and on.
All the upgrades are easy to install. If you have any problems just ask, because the good people here in the forums will help you.
This is just one forum, browse through the other forums. There are a lot of people with top dollar quads that are asking the same questions. They ask what upgrades can I do to my quad and how can I make my quad go faster. The help is out there.
Other than that stop complaining and fix the quad. Or maybe sell the quad at a lose and buy the quad you think you should be riding. But next time don't buy the cheapest thing you can find. Just like a lot of people will say, You get what you pay for or you can't get something for free. And at $1800.00 compared to $4000.00 or $5000.00(new quad pricing not used) for a comparable 250 this holds true. Heck with the money you spent on the Kazuma you have plenty of money to upgrade if you think about it.
I know I don't make many friends with posts like this, but someone has to tell it like it is.
I hope your next purchase is a positive one.
Good Luck,
SB.
Posted by: smb05
SEADAWG,
Like I said, I don't make many friends in these posts, but I'm not complaining about what I purchased. I knew before hand what I was getting in to when I bought a Chinese quad. I don't have all the answers but all I see you doing is complaining. The upgrades I have done to my quad were from parts I already owned from other toys. For the most part the things I listed for you to upgrade are pretty much common upgrades to any machine to achieve better performance.
As far as aftermarket parts for a Chinese quad you are going to be on your own. Big Gun, Pro Circuit, Hinson, Barrett, EBC, Race Tech or any other aftermarket company will most likely not make any aftermarket parts for any Chinese quad. But again you never know. The thing is the aftermarket parts have already been made. For parts that will work for your application you just need to research then upgrade, its not that hard. Just because the part is not made for your particular model doesn't mean it won't work. And obviously there are parts that just don't work.
If you have limited ability doing upgrades or just don't like to wrench on your toys then maybe you should have purchased the NAME BRAND quad. For me personally if I had bought the Adult 250 like you did I would have enjoyed the challenge of making the quad preform better.
As far as your remark about me selling upgrades, parts or what ever your talking about this is just a hobby for me and when things do not work right for me I like to fix them. But I will never complain about them. You can warn and talk to as many people you like about your quad but the thing is your the one who bought it know one else did. So what ever makes you feel better about your purchase and what ever excuses you can come up with to make yourself feel better about your purchase your still the who purchased the quad. So either fix it and let others know what was done or sell it and be done with it. Again for any one out there wanting to puchase something that seems like a good deal, maybe think twice. Buyer beware.
Posted by: smb05
SEADAWG,
I honestly would rather see a post from a person that says I had this type of problem, but I did this or that and corrected it. You have repeatedly stated the same problems and so far I have not seen any updates from you on the quad. Kazuma/Redcat After Market Needed All I'm saying is the best thing to do is to spend a little time on the quad, make it better, let everyone know what you did and then maybe others will not be discouraged from buying the same product knowing that they can make it better.
Again I'm just telling it like it is. You aren't educating anyone you are discouraging them in a negative way. Everyone who comes here reads the posts and when one is interested in purchasing a Chinese quad they find out that they are going to have to wrench on them no matter what. Not only that, you are not doing Kazuma or Redcat any favors by posting buyer beware. Even though you praise your VX 80, your still posting negative responses about another product they sell. You may make some people not buy either model. Sure your 250 may not perform the way you would like it to but there is always a solution to the problem. There are name brand mini's that are built with speed restrictions in them, and there are remedies for them also. This not to say that is what Kazuma did to yours.
You have a good quad there, try to make it better. Make your quad a positive experience for you and others and let them know how you did it. Not one that is negative.
Good Luck.
SB
Posted by: smb05
paintballbanshee,
Take the time to read the entire post. You just said the same thing that was recommended to him for mods 2 months ago.
Here is what I'm saying. You bought a quad that does not perform well. Either sell it or fix it but don't try to hurt another companies rep because of some misfortune. Not every model is going to be the best. Hopefully the following year they will fix the issue the quads may be having.
How are you helping the problem if you had read the post as opposed to attacking me. You just repeated what was already recommended. Also I'm not the one insulting the good people who like to work on projects in their garages and from what it sounds like, that includes you. I'm not insulting anyone. I tried to help out. It's too bad that people like to jump on each other versus taking advise and running with it. Advise is just that, you can take it or leave it, but in these forums, if you don't take it, don't complain, try something else or don't post at all. No one wants to hear the constant, "It doesn't work". Most of us here are having fun working on our quads. Heck, many of us bought them only to beat on them, fix them, mod them and beat on them some more.
Maybe he should just post what he has done, if anything to the quad and he can go from there. Each of us is just trying to help him make the quad better not only for him, but for others who can benefit from the mods.
SB
Posted by: happydad
The transmission on my sons adult falcon exploded. I called Highrpmracer, (the place I purchased it from), about a week ago. yesterday Ron called me told me that the transmissions fore these are scarce right now, but they are on the way. I too have had to do stuff to the 250, kinda frustrateing about the power thing tho. My wifes dingo 150 wii hold its own against it. well Ron said he would be in touch w/ me. so i`ll keep you posted.
Posted by: happydad
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Originally posted by: billl2099
seadawg, you have a great atc, what you need to do is replace the heavy roller weights in the variator to lighter ones, this is a simple job takes around 30 minutes and costs about 20 dollars, this is best performance mod you can make . what this will do is keep it in a lower gear where the power band of the engine is. once you do this i'll guarantee you're be much more happier with the 250. it's like nite and day.
ill2099, I took the variator off and measued and wieghed the roller wieghts. I seached for quite sometime and was unable to come up w/ any roller wieghts that size! do you by chance know where we could purchase them?
Posted by: happydad
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Originally posted by: happydad
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Originally posted by: billl2099
seadawg, you have a great atc, what you need to do is replace the heavy roller weights in the variator to lighter ones, this is a simple job takes around 30 minutes and costs about 20 dollars, this is best performance mod you can make . what this will do is keep it in a lower gear where the power band of the engine is. once you do this i'll guarantee you're be much more happier with the 250. it's like nite and day.
ill2099, I took the variator off and measued and wieghed the roller wieghts. I seached for quite sometime and was unable to come up w/ any roller wieghts that size! do you by chance know where we could purchase them?
I belive it is different. but I am not positive. I will try to find out.
Posted by: happydad
seadawg, dont burn your atv yet, i could use the transmissionj/k. after playing w/ this quad for a few months i have had to do some things to it but most has been very straight foward. i am convinced that the roller weights are the key. i am going to remove one again and re check my measurments and weight. and search for new lighter ones. i will keep you posted of the results as i come across them.
Posted by: cowgirl
Is the adult 250 trans the same as the regular 250 trans?
Posted by: SEADAWG
All,
Just had my first weekend with my new VX-80 and the Kazuma Adult ATV 250. The Redcat 80 performed well and seem to be near Jap quality
The Adult 250 is simply a POS. It has no real power, takes forever to warm up, is cold blooded and just poorly engineered. I try to keep an open mind. I love toys and wanted to give it its due. However, I can't believe they let this thing out of the factory. Did they test ride this thing before they sold it? Did the check and ensure that it performed. It looks great, the susp. is very good...but the power just sucks. I have adjusted the valves, the carb, the chain, tried the pinching the intake thing....please, it is all a joke. When so much has to be done to get a quad going it is not worth it.
Kazuma, if you want to be a real company in the future...you need to stand up on this model. You have produced good quality quads...how the heck did this get out of your factory? I'm clueless...did they ride the thing? Anyway, you must do the right thing. This is not a distributor problem, this is a design problem period! Shame!
Kazuma/Redcat- creat a carb and power kit ASAP that will make up for this design flaw. My wife is so pissed that she got her old Kawasaki back. She stuck me with her new one...the Adult 250! Anyway, if you want to suceed in the future, you need to make this right. Your other models seem to do well and you have made right your past problems. Again, warning, stay away from this model. SEADAWG. I have all the data to support this statement.
Posted by: SEADAWG
2manytoys,
Amen...I'm happy you like it. I thought the info was good. I rode the regular 250 and it was good. I just want to warn others. I only hope they come up with some kit so I can salvage my money. Sounds like your research was better than mine SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
All,
Thanks for the advice. It is just that I have never worked on a new ATV/Dirtbike/Motorcycle or car like this thing. What needs to happen is Redcat / Kazuma come up with aftermarket fixes. They should have carbs, auto-trans weight rollers and fixes for their flawed engineering. If people keep getting burnt, they will die. By creating aftermarket fixes they can improve their future product line. As I stated before, I can't believe the engineers let this thing out of the factory. However, now that I have spent the money...I'm screwed. I can't sell it without considerable loss (once they ride it), I can't give it back to the company under some lemon law and I can't buy aftermarket parts to make it right. At this point, I would lose some money just to be able to trust it. Kazuma / Redcat need to fix this and other problems. Seadawg Out
Posted by: SEADAWG
Forgot...as you know I have a 1983 Honda Big Red 3 wheeler, I ride it and trust it. I guess I will be keeping it longer than I wanted I have a 24 year old ATC or a brand new Kazuma / Redcat Adult ATV 250??? Looks like I'm going hanging on to Big Red for awhileBR>
My daughter's REDCAT VX-80 has been running strong (battery died)... I hope this continues to run like it is! Or, does anyone have issues with this quad. I really like it. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Cowgirl,
The CVT is the same, but the Adult weighs much more and yours is faster and quicker on low end. Anyway, answer my question.. would you do it over again? SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
All,
What you take as complaining is a warning for others. Like I said in my previous threads, the Redcat VX-80 is great, awesome and has kicked butt. I was thinking that the if they made the 80cc the 250cc must have been as good. I can do many things. Please don't think I have not taken your advice. I just talk to the local dealer an hour ago. I have rejetted, new air filter, udjusted the valves...the only thing I haven't done is the rollers on the transmission. This is beyond my capabilities.
As for Kazuma not coming up with it or the aftermarket. This will be the death of the company regardless of the price. When you get something new and it is so flawed, people will not come back to the well. As you say, buy this, buy that ...I have many toys. You don't hear me crying about any of them. When I buy something for my others, I can go to the web and under the make, model and year come up with a plethora of parts and work arounds. These...you have to match to something and hope it is right. That is why I'm here.
The dealer is going to do what you said with the rollers and see if that helps. Shooooot, I just want to ride!
After talking with the dealer today in Gorst Washington, he said due to the complaints, he quit carrying all Kazuma / Redcat ATV 250. The smaller ones were doing well with limited complaints.
So, please know this ain't crying...I want to help others and if this stuff would have been out there...I'd saved $$$!
Posted by: SEADAWG
smb05,
Since you have done all the research and have all the answers...you could become rich off of these Chineses quads. Think about it, start your own business and get on the web. Sort your parts from your research and break it down by years and models. This proven methods will be invaluable to the rest of us mortals...plus, you will make big bucks. Do a 15% mark up and you'll move some material. Money talks. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Do you understand that I'm educating others. I could care less about the Chinese quad...money is gone. I have many others to enjoy. Since I'm more fortunate than others, I don't want people with limited means buying one. I can turn wrenches ....I just never owned one with the CVT Tranny. Please stop making me look like I'm a cry baby. Educating people on there purchases in as american as apple pie. Bottom line...if they want to be grease monkeys and work on their quads, then they should follow you. Remember, they say on the web site as long as you can turn a little wrenches, you'll be fine. They should change it to: if you don't mind sitting in your garage and don't have a life, then buy one and enjoy working on them....tweaking them and etc. I want to ride and enjoy myself and don't want to hear your condesending lectures.
Dude, do you conduct yourself the same way with people in person? Your disclaimer about not making friends on this site is an understatement. Please leave your abuse limited to your household and those closes to you.
I guess if I was on the market and was going to spend $2500.00... I bet they'd listen to me and my warnings. Yea, I want to spend $2500.00 on one, buy a new carb, put new rollers in the tranny, new air filter, new carb and adjust the valves and on and on and on! Who is the fool? I could burn mine now and laugh
Posted by: SEADAWG
Sir,
I have found a pipe and I'm researching the carb. I did get the bigger jet and that didn't work. No worries. Iwill try everything.
Also, I'm a grease monkey too. I love to see results from my labor. To say that I'm hurting dealers is crazy....my dealer stop selling them 'cause the factory is putting our bad products. When you buy a Honda 400 or whatever, they have an average in quality...if you buy this, this will most likely happen. If Kazuma and Redcat don't have this quality norm that can be put on a stats chart, shame on them. I want the company to be better. Also, I have personally talk to the other guys (250 cc models) that bought them through the dealer here. There is one consistancy, they all have sucked. The dealer here is upset too...it hurts him. He is going to another company due to the lack of response from the company.
There lack of reaction to the customer will be there downfall. Maybe we should use this forum to get the company more responsive than attacking each other? SEADAWG
Also, this will be my last response on the thread. I'll post my issues on a new thread. Please don't respond, I know you think I'm dumb and a fool. Lets just keep it that way so others don't have to be involved.
Posted by: SEADAWG
I hope everyone has a Happy Easter. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
Guys,
The dealer read the post and thinks he can fix it. Additionally, he will walk me through the CVT and we're going to see what we can do. Honestly, we are not given up and there is great advice on here. I'm thinking he'll make it fly and I can sell Big Red finally Thanks everyone and hope you had a Happy Easter. SEADAWG
Posted by: SEADAWG
You ain't kiddin'...that puppy is heavy and that doesn't help. No worries, I will find a way to make it go. I have even though of taking off my carb and throttle on the Kawasaki Many more things to try.
Posted by: scratchonia
Is it possible to do a engine swap with the adult falcon 250 i will trade my 2001 400ex hybrid for the adult falcon 250 and a big bore 4 stroke engine that will fit
