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Posted by: mywifesquad
I am going to be picking up a 125 Jetmoto quad in a couple of weeks and making a better flowing hedder pipe and getting a better muffler set up on it too. Are there any other areas of this quad that could use improvement? Im open to all ideas.
And in talking to Eugene at Jetmoto, hes a little nervous about the reliability of a chinese water cooled engine. It may be a while before he uses one.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: socaltoyman
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The footpegs need to be moved forward so it's in the middle and not towards the rear of the basket.
The front basket guard could more durable and attached maybe even one piece.
The forward / reverse should be moved and maybe some type of design similiar to the choke because the riders legs hit it all the time.
The exhaust pipe should be moved a couple of inches from the oil drain so you can change the oil without covering the exhaust with it and also burning your hands.
The rubber footpeg should be replaced with a traditional metal footpeg with teeth and not the rubber ones that come with it, they roll too when you jump or stand.
Gas cap should be bigger because it does not close all the way it's only got like two threads inside.
This is what I am currently making changes too for my sons 150 and should have all the machine work done this weekend from a friend of mine who owns a fabrication shop.
Is that to make more room for your sons foot? Or do you think its a better position to sit in?
It is fairly light weight.
Eugene and I have already discussed this problem and I havnt had time to get to it. I would love your ideas on this. I was thinking of a whole new lever style attatched to the frame out of the way.
I used the bolt on the left side of the engine. I just looked at a pic and the filter/screen bolt is close to the exhaust.
I have made 2 versions of a aluminum serrated clamp on foot pegs. Eugene has already sent them to China to be copied.
I never noticed that. Ill take a look at it the next time I go to my shop. By bigger do you mean deeper into the threads? Or bigger in diameter?
Sounds like a great deal socaltoyman. Let us know how it all goes and get some pics up if you can.
Posted by: mywifesquad
I picked up one of the Jetmoto 125 quads last friday and while i havnt got it put together completely yet. Im hoping to finish it up and get it running tonite. It seems a little smaller than the 150 and the 200 but I havnt put them side by side yet. Im hoping to get some pics of the 3 quads together soon. The reason that I got one of these is to make a slip on muffler and a new head pipe and muffler combo for it.
One thing I did find while putting the quad together was a card board cut out in the air box. Did any one else find this? I hope if you did you arent running the quad with it in place. It would definitely hurt performance.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: imesinga
I would think putting a kick down shift on this would be a good idea since it is marketed for smaller size riders. The shift has a good bit of tension and travel and I don't like seeing my son yank his foot up off the peg to shift, fixed that one already replaced the shifter arm.
MWQ if you get some assembly instructions done you might want to suggest to Eugene that he include something like that, someone may have a problem when they get that ziplock bag of bolts if they are not real sure what they are doing.
And what's the deal with the mis-aligned holes on the skid plate, that would be a huge mess when you changed the oil. (Cut that rascal out as well) I'd also like to see some heavier fuel lines on it. The lines that it comes with are going to dry rot and crack out in no time at all. I'm sure I will have a few more as my son put's it through it's paces, but so far it looks like a pretty good value.
I've seen the pegs on the site already, nice job. Last question for you MWQ, the 2 wire harness in the rear of the frame, what is that a generic harness for one with a cut off switch?
I have been talking with Eugene at Jetmoto about the need for a double sided shift lever.
I did a list for the 200 and thought they were there for the 125 also. I agree that some detailed instructions should come with these. I cant imagine what its like for someone who has never owned a quad before.
I completely agree with you on that. I have a 125, 150 and a 200 and none of them are in the right spot. Im going to add making 3 skid plates templates to my growing list of improvements. I have not had any problem with the fuel lines but do agree they look light weight. I also agree that the quads arer a great value. I can only compare them to my wifes first quad, the Yamoto 150 and the Jetmoto is light years ahead of it.
Thanks for the compliment on the pegs. Theyt work real well, and they will fit more than the Jetmotos too. They also fit on the Yamoto 150. And I couldnt find anything to hook that wire connector up to either.
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: smb05
mywifesquad,
I have a few questions if you don't mind.
Are you going to make the silencer or are you going to use a manufacture? (ie. Big Gun, Yoshimura, BBR, etc.)
If you are going to use a manufacture which ones are you looking at?
If you fabricate the silencers will they come with a spark arrestor and be USFS certified?
With the pipe upgrades will you have jetting specs and recommended air filters for customers to purchase?
I think it's great that your putting the after market upgrades into motion for the Chinese Quad's. It may give others with a different brand Chinese quad a chance to upgrade. Or at least point them in some kind of direction if they don't know where to start.
I went and looked at the Jetmoto's over the weekend. The dealer had a 125 and the 200 next to each other. I did not think the 125 was any smaller than the 200. Suspension is different but the quads were almost if not the same height and length. I did like the Jetmoto 200's. The 125 is nice also nice but I really went to look at the 200's.
Thanks for your time.
SB.
No problem smb05.
I am going to be adapting the muffler from the 125cc pit bike. It will have a screen in it but Im not sure if it will be USFS Certified. I have been planning on talking with Eugene about making a USFS Spark arrestor part of the package. I think its pretty important.
The long term plan is to come up with different stages of hop up kits for all the Jetmoto quads and dirt bikes. There are engine and suspension updates in the works. From simple bolt ons to major engine parts. And like youve said, they will fit more than Jetmotos so there is a huge market for the aftermarket/hop up parts. Im really looking forward to it all. Should be fun.
Your welcome!
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: imesinga
Anyone know the chain size? Guess my son worked some slack in the chain and rubbed the clip off the master link, should have bought a handful of the dam things already. Check your chain guards, they look like they could use some spacers under the cover one the bottom on mine, a little slack and you get some rub.
Its a 428.
Posted by: poe900rr
I know these are low cost 4 wheelers & I have no clue as to what these improvement would add to the end cost of manufacturing them,but here are some ideas or options I would like to see on a already sweet looking beefy quad.
The main thing I would like to see is a foot brake for the rear brakes.I think that it is to confusing for a kid to learn that the left lever is for the rear brakes & have no foot brake.If they ride alot this becomes becomes engraved in there heads & like a automatic reflex to pull the left lever to apply the rear brakes.Any way after they grow & step up to a bigger sport quad with a clutch on the left lever & only a foot brake to do what the left hand use to do, things could get confusing & they have to relearn every thing again.
Some other things I saw from looking at the pics on there web site would be to put the rear brake caliper on top out of harms way & also run the rear brake line up on the top of the swing arm.
Also maybe add a cross bar on the handle bars so they will not bend so easy if a roll over happens. I have not gotten the privlage to see one of these first hand & have no idea how the suspention is.But it seems like the rear shock is not tilted enough & may cause it to be stiff.I know these are back yard quads for most,but Im sure a few will venture on to some tough terrain & even the yard riders are at risk of hitting bumps & with the springy shock they put on some of these with no oil dampning , Im sure some will end up on there heads from the spring loaded shocks uncompressing with no dampning.
Some options to consider would be oil dampend shocks,performance pipe & air filter
From the pics I saw this seams to be a very beefy, well built 4 wheeler with a longer wheel base than most(which is great for stability),so this should be a great low cost 4 wheeler & I can't weight for the reviews to come in.
By the way ,my riding skills are much better than my spelling & grammer skills.
Posted by: poe900rr
From the specs & photos I've seen the jet-moto 125 seems to be the best in the China made 110cc range quads & I have had 3 different brands so far in the last 9 months.
The front disc brakes are a nice touch,
(some of the other brands w/drum front cable operated brakes are just not very well designed. The cables are routed very bad with to many tight turns,which makes the lever to hard to pull for young hands & some are routed where they could get caught on the tie rod & damage the cable while turning & worse pull the cable causing one wheel to lock & pull the steering to one side.So please check your cable routing on such quads)
longer wheel base,beefy front controll arms & rear swing arm & what looks to be a pretty good suspention.
The main thing I would like to see is the foot brake & optional oil dampened shocks.
Socaltoyman It sounds like you definatly put that 150 to the test & beyond what most will throw at it.
As for the water cooled 200's, I would watch out for because of gasket failures & such.The guy I know that sold the water cooled 200 will not anymore because of the problems & headaches that come from customers after selling things that fail,over heat & leak water.Im not saying there all bad,but it would be best to test them & see if they are durable or not.
Posted by: smb05
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
The reason that I got one of these is to make a slip on muffler and a new head pipe and muffler combo for it.
mywifesquad,
I have a few questions if you don't mind.
Are you going to make the silencer or are you going to use a manufacture? (ie. Big Gun, Yoshimura, BBR, etc.)
If you are going to use a manufacture which ones are you looking at?
If you fabricate the silencers will they come with a spark arrestor and be USFS certified?
With the pipe upgrades will you have jetting specs and recommended air filters for customers to purchase?
I think it's great that your putting the after market upgrades into motion for the Chinese Quad's. It may give others with a different brand Chinese quad a chance to upgrade. Or at least point them in some kind of direction if they don't know where to start.
I went and looked at the Jetmoto's over the weekend. The dealer had a 125 and the 200 next to each other. I did not think the 125 was any smaller than the 200. Suspension is different but the quads were almost if not the same height and length. I did like the Jetmoto 200's. The 125 is nice also nice but I really went to look at the 200's.
Thanks for your time.
SB.
Posted by: imesinga
Put my son's 125 together last night (Helping out a friend who is starting to sell them). Seems pretty beefy and well made for the most part. Had one of the brackets holding the rear plastic near the foot well break a weld, no big deal though. I would think putting a kick down shift on this would be a good idea since it is marketed for smaller size riders. The shift has a good bit of tension and travel and I don't like seeing my son yank his foot up off the peg to shift, fixed that one already replaced the shifter arm. MWQ if you get some assembly instructions done you might want to suggest to Eugene that he include something like that, someone may have a problem when they get that ziplock bag of bolts if they are not real sure what they are doing. And what's the deal with the mis-aligned holes on the skid plate, that would be a huge mess when you changed the oil. (Cut that rascal out as well) I'd also like to see some heavier fuel lines on it. The lines that it comes with are going to dry rot and crack out in no time at all. I'm sure I will have a few more as my son put's it through it's paces, but so far it looks like a pretty good value. I've seen the pegs on the site already, nice job. Last question for you MWQ, the 2 wire harness in the rear of the frame, what is that a generic harness for one with a cut off switch?
Posted by: imesinga
Maybe someone can save me some time here. Anyone know the chain size? Guess my son worked some slack in the chain and rubbed the clip off the master link, should have bought a handful of the dam things already. Check your chain guards, they look like they could use some spacers under the cover one the bottom on mine, a little slack and you get some rub.
Posted by: imesinga
As always thank you Sir.
Posted by: imesinga
Anyone got anything else or is this thread dead?
Posted by: i8amm
For those looking for a water cooled 4 stroke Chinese quad there is always the Falcon 250. For $1600 and a little investment it has become a real nice quad. I replaced the stock carb and air filter for a total cost of about $175. Replaced the front springs with used ones from a Honda 400ex, installed new 8 inch rims and tires on the rear, new 10 inch rims and tires on the front, 6 inches of additional(total) wheel width in the rear and an additional 2 to 3 inches of additional wheel width in the front for an additional $250 to $300. The tires were an optional mod and don't have to be done if you don't want to . The do make the ATV handle much better though. It wasn't much of an ATV stock but is a real track and trail machine now. It'll keep up with larger bore Jap ATV's in the trails, even being top dog on several occasions. Just don't expect it to outdrag 400 or 450ex Hondas with all the bells and whistles. Leave the trails and wave goodbye to them on top speed. If you want water cooled, 250 and cheap the Falcon 250 with some mods is a good machine. I'm still looking forward to a larger CID machine like the Redcat 350 that I can have delivered to my door or drive less than 2 hours to pick up.
i8amm
Posted by: socaltoyman
I agree the quads could do for some upgrades but for only spending 1200 dollars for a 125 or a 150cc quad leaves plenty of room for additional upgrades if someone wanted. Overall I dont think these models are really for advanced riders although if you read through my thread I started and see the beating I put my sons 150 Jetmoto through. You have a point with the suspension being springy and a little stiff but I only really noticed it when I was jumping doubles with it. For my ten year old son it's not been a problem and I really can't see anyone riding the quad anywhere close to how I had ridden it. The bars, there pretty standard for most bikes and quads from what I can tell cause my wifes Z400 came with the same type. The Jetmoto's are great for beginners to intermediate riders and I would really like to get ahold of the Jetmoto200 or the 250cccc quad and see how much difference there is. With wheel spacers it may just be a competitive quad.
Some things I would like to see are widened front and rear arms, an optional competition suspension kit, actually I would like to see a whole line of mods offered to see how far the Jetmoto will really go!!! I spoke with the JetmotoUSA and they said there preparing to offer a whole line of after market parts.
Posted by: socaltoyman
Man I fed some bad info, I dont know why I thought the 200cc was water cooled. They only make air cooled I guess but I could have sworn I saw one water cooled. If I find it I'll post the info but for now it's just the Jetmoto 125-250cc air cooled available. You might wanna check out the 250!!!
Posted by: socaltoyman
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The footpegs need to be moved forward so it's in the middle and not towards the rear of the basket. The front basket guard could more durable and attached maybe even one piece. The forward / reverse should be moved and maybe some type of design similiar to the choke because the riders legs hit it all the time. The exhaust pipe should be moved a couple of inches from the oil drain so you can change the oil without covering the exhaust with it and also burning your hands. The rubber footpeg should be replaced with a traditional metal footpeg with teeth and not the rubber ones that come with it, they roll too when you jump or stand. Gas cap should be bigger because it does not close all the way it's only got like two threads inside. This is what I am currently making changes too for my sons 150 and should have all the machine work done this weekend from a friend of mine who owns a fabrication shop.
Posted by: socaltoyman
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Is that to make more room for your sons foot? Or do you think its a better position to sit in?
It is fairly light weight.
Eugene and I have already discussed this problem and I havnt had time to get to it. I would love your ideas on this. I was thinking of a whole new lever style attatched to the frame out of the way.
I used the bolt on the left side of the engine. I just looked at a pic and the filter/screen bolt is close to the exhaust.
I have made 2 versions of a aluminum serrated clamp on foot pegs. Eugene has already sent them to China to be copied.
I never noticed that. Ill take a look at it the next time I go to my shop. By bigger do you mean deeper into the threads? Or bigger in diameter?
Sounds like a great deal socaltoyman. Let us know how it all goes and get some pics up if you can.
mywifesquad,
Footpegs should more forward of the basket so the palms of your feet rather than your heels are on the pegs.
Gas cap I mean more threads so that it screws onto the tank more fully. On the tank there's about 5 or 6 rows of threads and on the cap theres only two rows so when it's screwed on there's still about three full set's of threads showing on the tank.
I just put a set of wheel spacers on the mini falcon for my son and I have to say they are the best add on I could have made and can't wait to put a set on the 150.
I will hopefully have all my photos posted after this weekend I will try and have all my photos posted.
Posted by: socaltoyman
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=4/9523591245.jpg&s=x10
Here is a link to some photos of a change that I have been playing around with but I'm still undecided because it's more forward then the standard foot peg on quads but the whole basket seems to be more forward than most also. What does anyone else think?
Posted by: reefskinner
@ socaltoyman, Where did you see that the 200 is offered with a water cooled engine. The only info I have seen is on the raceway site which states it as being air cooled. I to am interested in this quad and wish it were water cooled. I also wish it was a little larger. A 250 or even a 350 to haul my fat arse around.
Later.......
Shawn
Posted by: Bound4Dirt
www.SkoutRacing.com has Chinese quad jet kits and what not.
Posted by: DRPowerSportsRacing.net
Here is another place. www.PowerSportsRacing.net for jet kits, etc for Chinese quads.
