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Posted by: WhoDatInDaMud
I have had a gut full of people getting on here and telling everyone how to raise their kids. I have a four year old daugter that smokes cocaine and am I a bad father for her being able to tweak a little and have fun? The cocaine laws were written over 20 years ago when kids were being killed from doing heroine as there were very few youth tweakers, now the streets are flooded with them. Another question I have is how much safer is it to give my daughter a bong comparred to cocaine? Sorry for the post but I needed to blow off some steam after reading some posts and reading some of the responses from others who don't see things the same way I do..
Sound familiar???? LOL
aka "Whats wrong with a 4 year old riding"
And to think I missed the entire thread....geeeesh...
Posted by: LT80
Good vent.
The other topic starter's kids at least had a year on the powerwheels and did come to get others opinions. I'll sit back on that one...
I have seen worse!!! I'm reminded of this guy that insisted on a LT80 for his "soon to be" 3 year old. But it's ok he proclaimed, she has been on a LT80 with blocks under her feet. I recommended a car with blocks/levers on the controls seeins she's so expierienced. Talk about a drug problem!!!
Posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
Im a Off Road Director for one of the major ORV safety associations here in Michigan, and I detest ANY legislation that indicates when THEY think its OK for youth to ride.
I have a 25 yr old son who is now in law enforcement, and a 19yr old daughter that recently graduated from HS with a GPA of 3.940..........I started BOTH these kids out on ATVs at the age of 4 and NEITHER of them have EVER been into an accident...Not all kids have the same learning capacities and its up to the parents to understand this if/when they are thinking about allowing a younger youth to operate an ORV.I would never dream of not being able to ride with my kids at an early age because some idiot legislator [who has never rode an ATV] thinks its a bad idea.
Comparing youth drug use with irresponsable ORV parental guidance is not fair game IMO.
Posted by: Kawi650
I think we need to go and look this one up in the book of life, it's on page 97... I don't think the author took the wrong approach here. I would say that if it read any differently people wouldn't read it. I fully agree with the POV of whoDat. I feel that what we need to work on is proper parenting with comman sence then we wouldn't have threads like this.
Posted by: watzupdog
1111 That made no sense at all. None.
Posted by: watzupdog
1111 Gotcha makes since now.
Posted by: enFORCER
I know the author of this thread is just trying to make a point. And most likely his children do not use any drugs, however if I was a moderator I would ask him to edit it or ask if it can be removed.
I just don't like to see children use as an example in this way.
Posted by: mywifesquad
I liked it better when he was suggesting a tricycle and a teddy bear. Not real popular here, but it made a good point.
Posted by: MrDumass
This thread is trying to make a point, but the author has gone about it all wrong. Why would you ever say such words?? Cant you come up with a better analogy then this??
Posted by: GDITheman
i had my daughter riding an old school lt50 3 months before she turned 2 last year. if your kid can't handle it, then send them to one of those schools where they don't use a grading system and both teams win the soccer game. that'll help them make it in life.
Posted by: LumberDude
I have my son on a 1996 blaster that I got from a friend at a nice price, it's been well taken care of mainly for my 9 yr old son. I throttled it way down and started him out just in my side yard in circles. That was about 7 months ago now he can ride along with all the guys he's been on trails with myself and his uncle. Never out of sight of course. My point is that he was taught at an early age what to do and he also knows the reprocutions if he doesn't act responsilbly. We set ground rules and he respects them very well and I'm quite proud of the way that he carries himself while on the machine. I never really had any guidance until I started to get into MX quite a few yaers ago with a freind of mine and his dad taught me a lot about responsibility and how to act when you are on your machine, because it's just that a machine, not a toy. I think a lot of parents just get the kids a quad and let them, go and go back in the house and plop on the couch and wonder why little jimmy just crashed into the house or worse. Just my opinion. Thanks for listening.
Steve aka LumberDude
Posted by: Knowpig
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Originally posted by: WhoDatInDaMud
I have had a gut full of people getting on here and telling everyone how to raise their kids. I have a four year old daugter that smokes cocaine and am I a bad father for her being able to tweak a little and have fun? The cocaine laws were written over 20 years ago when kids were being killed from doing heroine as there were very few youth tweakers, now the streets are flooded with them. Another question I have is how much safer is it to give my daughter a bong comparred to cocaine? Sorry for the post but I needed to blow off some steam after reading some posts and reading some of the responses from others who don't see things the same way I do..
Sound familiar???? LOL
aka "Whats wrong with a 4 year old riding"
And to think I missed the entire thread....geeeesh...
I think you can safely monitor your child on a small ATV and de-tune it for safety. It's all in how you move them along and teach them. And for many children, it may not be safe. But for some, it will be. That's for the parent to decide.
As for cocain, I don't think you can safely smoke any amount of crack as a child. No matter how much you cut it down, your still in a bad way.
Just say no..............to crack.
Posted by: bulldogfallon
The interesting thing here is that the guy that started this thread is an ATV safety instuctor. I have had my fair share of not so nice words with him before.....Finally we agreed to disagree...after he called me a few not so nice things BR>
One other point that nobody has ever answered me on is why, if it is so awful for a child to ride does the AMA sanction racing for 4 year olds?
They must know that the bikes are recomended for 6+ years of age and a racer doesn't learn on the track, but at home before he is 4????? Why not fight them? instead of casting stones from distance on a forum like this? WHY NOT PICK THIS FIGHT???????
Is it that much easier to throw all parents into one label as irresponsible for allowing their children to ride??? This seems like some serious BS to me?
As I mentioned to him in the past it is the delivery to this message that leaves a lot to be desired...not so much the content of his opinion, which everyone is entitled to.
He takes the topic to the extreme as you can see by the thread content.....
I agree that many kids are needlessy hurt on ATVs by irresponsible parents (not the atv) that use ATVs as substitutes for watching their kids.....BUT if done correctly then ATV riding can be safe, fun and help develop a child into a responsible adult, but the parent must be prepared to help educate and train their child.
My son started riding at 3 yrs of age....In our horse paddock with me and the tether chasing behind him....(I don't miss that!!)
We started with all restrictors on and teaching all of the basics, not just go.....use simply and easy exercises with the use of cones to build awareness and confidence and ALWAYS WEAR PROTECTIVE GEAR......just one time can lead to the last time
The confidence that riding has installed into my son is priceless....We have created moments that we will cherish forever...nobody has the right to take that away from us....
Everyone should be made aware of the consequences of riding a motor vehicle at any age...especially with a child....know your child's limits and your own limits in judgement.
The thread starter has some solid points, but would really help the community with a better delivery.....If he truly wanted the message to be absorbed he would choose his words better.....Easier said than done, as myself have done the same in the past(many times)...It shows his passion and that he truly cares for the well being of children, so he can't be too bad of a guy.....
Posted by: billl2099
if you're to worried about you kid getting hurt riding , maybe you'll be better off keeping them locked up in a closet. this is the perfect age to see if kids have talant and develoment if they do.
Posted by: solareclipse2
I've probably said this somewhere before but I moved from Chicago to a rural part of Indiana. We didn't get to do things like ride atv's in Chicago so when we moved out here we brought a 70cc with us to tool around on. It was a blast, but then the motor blew because it was used and abused but sold to us as new. Moving on...
I bought a Redcat 150 and my fiancee's brother got a Redcat 110. I am 5' 11" and 240 lbs. The 150 was underpowered for me but I rode it for experiences sake. My fiancee's brother is 13 yrs old, 6'2 and 180 lbs. He has been riding the 110 for just about a year now. Just befor fall of last year he was riding in the back yard and got teh darn thing to roll over his leg. His mom took him to the ER for x-rays. We found out he just bruised himself badly but when the doctor found out what happened from my future mother-in-law he started talking down to her, and telling her how irresponsible she was and what good parents do (no lie). The doctor was making her feel like crap and was about one step from crossing a line there was no way back from. I had to step in front of him and thank him for his candor and suggested that he refrained from any more accusations.
Bottom line is you don't want to be in the ER being grilled by a doctor about your kid's atv injury. It's an uncomfortable position to be in. Furthermore, should the boy have been on a 110 with his level of experience at the time? I can't say. The one thing we know is that it was the smallest thing he could fit on given his size and weight. By some logic you could argue that he shouldn't have been riding it with out any experience, from another view point you could say that the atv was still too small for him physically and he should have been riding something with a better suspension and motor to accomodate his features. I think by the time he was old enough to ride something bigger and more accomodating, the experience he would have lost by not riding the 110 would have been damaging.
Thank you and good night.
Posted by: Familyofthedirt
The real problem in our sport isn't age restrictions or a parents right to decide what's best for thier youngster on thier own being rediculously legislated. It's the hall monitors that grew up to be evironmentalist wackos and OHV Rangers that create the issues/ legislation that lead to this constant round robin debate. There are too many people in this world that feel they have the right to impose thier will on others. I say will because so often what could be a conversation with a thought provokeing end turns into a battle for which bird gets to sit on the top wire. As for me, I am just like everybody else I suppose... in the end I would rather be the pooper than the pooped on.
So here it is... If its NOT your child, unless you have something contsructive to say coming from a place of genuine care for that child, take your Will and beat it.
If your CARING words are met with some rediculous reply just walk away. I don't want my kids growing up and having to deal with the fall out from that gene pool anyway...do you?
As for crack. I say smoke it freely and in large volumes. The sooner your reckless approach to life is gone and out of my way the safer I am.
Posted by: 1111
uh lets see 4 year hits the pipe and i'd say in about 1 minute they will be seezing and then going blue and your off to jail for child indangerment of charged with death of a minor not even funny and i for one aint hearing that stupid joke any ways back to kids riding if you want a 4 year old on a quad detune it down to a crawl and hang out and watch no big deal
Posted by: 1111
i was just refering to who that indamuds comments about kids and crack pipes
Posted by: djs7795
???????UMM???????
Posted by: smb05
I think the main thing to do here is to realize that whatever someone else has to say about how old a child should be to ride an ATV or Motorcycle they are just opinions. It is going to be up to the parent to make the right choice on whether their child is capable of handling the vehicle or not. Not every child has the same learning ability as the next. When it comes down to it, the parent will have to live with this choice whether the out come is good or bad. It is very important for people to give their opinions, because everyone has different life experiences. So when someone is looking for advice, state your opinions. Just remember the reason why we post here is to help one another, even when someone doesn&39;t agree with you.
SB.
Posted by: xFreebirdx
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Originally posted by: WhoDatInDaMud
I have had a gut full of people getting on here and telling everyone how to raise their kids. I have a four year old daugter that smokes cocaine and am I a bad father for her being able to tweak a little and have fun? The cocaine laws were written over 20 years ago when kids were being killed from doing heroine as there were very few youth tweakers, now the streets are flooded with them. Another question I have is how much safer is it to give my daughter a bong comparred to cocaine? Sorry for the post but I needed to blow off some steam after reading some posts and reading some of the responses from others who don't see things the same way I do..
Sound familiar???? LOL
aka "Whats wrong with a 4 year old riding"
And to think I missed the entire thread....geeeesh...
Very sad anology. and no you didn't miss the entire thread it was on page 2. It also had some very interesting insite.
The thread is right here. Click It.
Posted by: BMazz007
AHHH Ok ?????????????? The Little 50 atvs could be slowed down to 5 mph thats the same speed if not slower hwn the power wheels so .....? I dont get it???????
