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Posted by: KenHower
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Originally posted by: 2004YFZ450
Because you have to be 12 years old to operate an 80cc ATV. I'm looking for a 50cc for a five year old.
You don't "have to" be. The Age guidelines on kids ATV's are just that...Guidelines. There is no LAW against a 10 year old riding a 90cc....
The dealer is required to ask, upon purchase....and isn't supposed to sell you a 500cc ATV to a 10 year old.
To me...it's all about parenting. My daughter has driven my 700 when she was 13. She's as careful as they come....and creeps around like Ms. Daisy.
My son? I wouldn't let him sit on it with the keys within 100 feet!
Posted by: rescuediver
Of course, you do not need to register any atv in Ca. you just can't transport them on a public roadway or use them at a OHV park. If you want to be able to use the atv's "legally" at an OHV park, they need to be registered in the State of California.
Posted by: rescuediver
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Originally posted by: 2004YFZ450
It sounds like the bottom line is that no manufacturer makes a new Green Sticker 50cc ATV. Thanks for all the input.
Joe
Not if it's a 2 stroke made after 2003. Have you tried looking for a pre-03 50cc? Usually they are not ridden or beaten up to badly
Posted by: 2004YFZ450
Are the new 2006 Yamaha Raptor 50 and the Suzuki Z50 California Green Sticker legal?
Posted by: 2004YFZ450
A local dealer that sells both Yamaha and Susuki told me that they were both red sticker thats why I'm asking. I know they're both 4 strokes that's why it didn't make sense to me. I don't want red sticker because we ride a lot more places than Pismo during the year especially in the summer!
Posted by: 2004YFZ450
That really sucks. Are there any 50cc 4 strokes that are Green Sticker?
Posted by: 2004YFZ450
It sounds like the bottom line is that no manufacturer makes a NEW Green Sticker 50cc ATV. Thanks for all the input.
Joe
Posted by: 2004YFZ450
Like I said I want a NEW 50cc ATV. It looks like I might have to look at a pre 2003 machine, I just don't want a 2 stroke!
Posted by: 2004YFZ450
Because you have to be 12 years old to operate an 80cc ATV. I'm looking for a 50cc for a five year old.
Posted by: 2004YFZ450
That's a thought, not a bad idea!
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: badvox
Here is another tid bit for you. Just ask the dealer not to sticker it.
Motors under 50cc do not have to be registered in California.
All they have to do is sign the MSO over to you and you are good to go.
Yes, its in the DMV dealer handbook.
Will they still be able to get into state off road riding areas?
Posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: rescuediver
Of course, you do not need to register any atv in Ca. you just can't transport them on a public roadway or use them at a OHV park. If you want to be able to use the atv's "legally" at an OHV park, they need to be registered in the State of California.
This is what I thought too.
Posted by: MrD
AFAIK, they are both Green sticker legal. Any respectable Yamaha or Suzuki dealer can easily confirm that for you. I bought my son a new KFX50, which gets a Red Sticker due to the 2-stroke, the only problem with the Red Stickers is not being able to ride at Pismo in the summer. Other than that, I don't ever see wanting to ride out in the desert from May to September anyway, so the red sticker won't be a problem for us.
Posted by: MrD
Hmmm, that's strange. I thought they were both Green Sticker. I just looked at both the manufacturer sites and neither mention whether or not the 50s are Green sticker. I guess the only way to be sure would be right down VIN numbers from the two models and go to the dreaded DMV, or maybe Yamaha and Suzuki have phone numbers you could call and ask... Good luck and let us know what you find out
Posted by: MrD
One more thing, I just noticed at Yamaha's site that they say the '06 Raptor80 is CA Green sticker, but make no mention about it on the '06 50 page, makes me think they aren't... Here's Suzuki's Customer Service number 714-572-1490. I can't believe they'd replace the LT50A with yet another red sticker 50, but what do I know!
Posted by: MrD
The '06 LT80 is green sticker? Isn't it still a 2-stroke? I didn't think that any 2-stokes have been Green Sticker starting with the '03 model year.
Posted by: MrD
Anyone have an Internet link to the CA DMV dealer handbook that covers this 50cc issue? I'd love to find out more about it as I've yet to register my son's KFX50. If there's no need, then I won't do it at all...
Posted by: MrD
If you want new why not just go with a Green Sticker compliant Raptor 80? It's identical to a Raptor 50 with the exception of having taller tires and a bit more engine. The engine can easily be restricted to the point of it being no faster than the 50...
Posted by: MrD
You may not like this idea, but why not just get the 80 and it's Green Sticker and then change the decals to those of a Raptor 80, you could even go to the smaller wheels as well, which would serve to further limit the 80's speed. An 80 limited to the speed of the 50 on the Exact Same frame and suspension would be every bit as safe for an under 12 year old as the 50. That way any ranger would see your green sticker, could check your VIN for legit green sticker status, and see your child on a 50... You may even be able to find the entire plastic bodywork of a Raptor50 for sale on eBay.
Posted by: smb05
2004YFZ450,
Just got the phone with two different dealers they both stated the Raptor 50 and the Z50 are red sticker quads. Called a dealer in Ventura and one in Los Angeles. You would think that both Yamaha and Suzuki would have certified them green sticker for more sales. Anyways good luck.
SB.
Posted by: smb05
2004YFZ450,
Look at Kymco and Eton both are good Atvs.
SB.
Posted by: smb05
badvox,
Do you think most Rangers know about 50cc engines and under not needing to be registered?
The reason why I ask, is when I bought my sons 2002 yz125 in 2004 we took it out the first day we got it. Now it did not have a spark arrester on it so we stopped off at Cycle Gear and bought a Sparky. We got to Gorman paid our admission fee and found a place to park. Now this bike originally received a RED Sticker (it is Green now). He got ready and went riding. He wasn't out for more than 3 minutes when he got pulled over by a Ranger. By the way we where riding in Green sticker Season only. The Ranger did not even look for a sticker he went right for the VIN#, he did not care if it had a sticker on it or not. He checked for a spark arrester and then the Ranger sent my son on his way. I watched the whole thing from 100 yards away from where we were parked. My son rode back to us and told us what happened. What do you think would happen if one of these red sticker quads got pulled over by a Ranger? Also why does CARB make the Manufacturers even go through the process to RED Sticker or Green Sticker the quads in the first place? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense if one agency does not conform to the other. I don't doubt you at all about the DMV not needing the 50cc engines to be registered. It's just the confusing mess that the DMV makes for the registration and sticker process for the 50cc quads/bikes.
Also has anyone ever been ticked for riding in green sticker season with a red sticker quad or bike? What kind of fine did you have to pay if any?
SB.
Posted by: smb05
Copied From The Bottom of the Page of the DMV Registration Handbook:
1.150 Miniature Motorcycles
The department does not register vehicles known as mini choppers, pocket bikes, etc.
These vehicles:
• Do not meet the definition of a motorized scooter because of their speed
(VC §406) and engine displacement (VC §405).
• Do not meet equipment safety standards.
• Cannot be registered pursuant to VC §4751d.
Please advise your customers that these vehicles cannot be registered and cannot be
operated on a public street.
This only pertains to Miniature Motorcycles & Pocket Bikes. I do not think ATV's are included, it is mainly referencing Public Streets and does not mention anything about Off Road Vehicles.
The above mentioned Vehicle codes refer to motor driven cycles, not off road vehicles, refer to the following links for more info.
Vehicle Code: VC §405 = Motor Driven Cycle
Vehicle Code: VC §406 = Motorized Bicycle
Vehicle Code: VC §4751d = Grounds Permitting Refusal
Posted by: smb05
2004YFZ450,
I would probably do what MrD suggested and buy the Raptor 80 but I would change the tires and possibly the gearing on the rear sprocket. Limit the throttle, and change nothing else. No need to draw attention to yourself if you do get pulled over by a Ranger who knows his quads and sees that your trying to hide something with different plastic. In California the child's age and the engine displacement are recommendations for parents to follow. You will not be cited for your child riding on an 80cc. Now if you tell the dealer when you buy the quad that your child is 5 then they will not sell you the quad. Also when your child goes to take the ATV safety training course you will need a 50cc ATV. If you already have the cert. your child does not have to take the course but will have to ride with you at all times. Which of course will always happen because I hope that no parent would allow a 5 year old to go and ride by themselves. Has your child been riding with you already? How long can a 5 year old ride before they lose interest or want to go back to camp? My kids were older when they started riding. At the time my son was 12 years old and he could stay out all day. My daughter was 8 and she was good for about 2 to 3 hours. We mainly trail ride, we do not ride in the sand.
Go here for California Laws and Safety Requirements for Off Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation:
Laws and Safety
Remember, that your young child will probably only get contacted by a Ranger if he or she is drawing attention to his/herself. If your child is riding with you in a normal and safe riding manner, chances are you will not be pulled over. However, if your child is out on his/her own, riding fast and/or in a crazy manner, you will probably have a Ranger speaking to you. It all depends on where you ride. If your at Cal City you will probably never see any law enforcement. Hungry Valley they are all over the place, Dove Springs, Jawbone, not too many out there. Sometimes we ride a short fire road trail in Santa Barbara and have never seen any rangers out there either. It just depends on where you ride and what your are doing.
Anyways good luck. I hope your child has a good time riding with the family on his/her new quad.
Have a good one.
SB.
Posted by: badvox
Here is another tid bit for you. Just ask the dealer not to sticker it.
Motors under 50cc do not have to be registered in California.
All they have to do is sign the MSO over to you and you are good to go.
Yes, its in the DMV dealer handbook.
Posted by: badvox
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
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Originally posted by: badvox
Here is another tid bit for you. Just ask the dealer not to sticker it.
Motors under 50cc do not have to be registered in California.
All they have to do is sign the MSO over to you and you are good to go.
Yes, its in the DMV dealer handbook.
Will they still be able to get into state off road riding areas?
I have 2 50's that would be red if I stickered them. I have not been
stopped in 2 years. Its right in the DMV book that they do not need to
be registered.
Its one of those things though that most dealers just process
everyone the same way as a matter of process.
Posted by: badvox
smb05 has a very good point. There was an article posted a long while back about stickers and such.
It was basically an interview with a Ranger and he was quoted as saying they do not go by stickers
because tada DMV sucks!! LOL
As to the dealer handbook... I dunno if its online or not. I have a copy here let me see if
I can get a good enough scan and I'll post it.
Posted by: badvox
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Originally posted by: badvox
smb05 has a very good point. There was an article posted a long while back about stickers and such.
It was basically an interview with a Ranger and he was quoted as saying they do not go by stickers
because tada DMV sucks!! LOL
As to the dealer handbook... I dunno if its online or not. I have a copy here let me see if
I can get a good enough scan and I'll post it.
Scratch all that its right here... Its called registration procedures now.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/reg_hdbk_pdf/toc.htm
Posted by: badvox
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/reg_hdbk_pdf/ch01.pdf
At the very bottom. They do not register mini blah blah blah
because of the displacement which in the vehicle code is listed
as under 50cc
Posted by: whynn
here is the scoop since i live in california with the green sticker red sticker bull.
lt 50 last green was 2002 maybe 2003
all new 50's are red sticker 4 stroke or 2 stroke. You can thank carb for this, i think it had to do with cost.
the new 2006 lt 80 and raptor 80 are green sticker
So i just bought a 2002 lt 50 suzuki and so far its great. have not taken it to the dunes yet but up 2 foot hills not a problem yet but have not started at the bottom of one. Oh this is a green sticker 2 stroke.
