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Posted by: terd
I have the 03 predator no problems. The 04's are having some issues with bad welds. It looks to me like polar5is maybe having some quality control issues w/the 04 model. If you can find an 03 pred get it. You will be happy!
if you can't the Eton Viper is a great choice...they even have a 70cc model for 2005. might be worth looking into. With the 2005 Eton 90 you have the option of reverse or no reverse.
Goodluck
Posted by: terd
I found a broken weld on our's while removing the oil tank. When looked under the seat you can see that the weld is to high. There was a sticker under the seat at 1 time but it is all scraped off due to the weld rubbing against it.
I advise everyone to go check your predator's for this problem.
Posted by: TheOz
A friend of mine in the north San Diego area has an ETON Viper 90 for his little guy. He's told me the thing runs excellent and his boy rips that mini around. I was considering the ETON, but the Polaris dealer was a little closer to me. Based on input from this forum, I think both choices are acceptable. The 05 ETON with reverse will be a good option for the rugrats. My girls are having a great time buzzing through our open property. It&39;s fun to teach and watch those little one&39;s ride.
Posted by: watzupdog
mmills023 What is the manufactor date on your pred 90. I'm looking at getting one and want to get one with the fixed weld.
Posted by: watzupdog
Maybe he stole your identity. LOL
Posted by: bigcreek1
Hey mmills, a few coincidences: My name is Mark Mills, I was born near Chicago (Mendotta Ill.) I bought my eight year-old a 90 polaris predator
Posted by: bigcreek1
I probably couldn't give it away
Posted by: csamayfield55
gotta reitarate the fact that it is not really a weld that is braking. It is the tab itself because it was welded about a 1/4 inch up to high. We have not had any weld problems with the frame, it was the bracket itself that broke
Chris
Posted by: Bluetickracing
First of all they both are great quads. There are a couple of them both at the off road races my son races in. My buddy just bought a 03 Pred 90 for his 10 yr old son. This past weekend he smoked all the other boys by 3 laps. Yes alot of this was the rider but the 2nd and 3rd place boys were awesome riders also and they were on etons. If I was going to choose between the 2 I would get the Pred. But you can't go wrong with either 1. This is just my .02 cents worth. I was looking at the Polaris for my 6 yr old to race and was going to get one until a local shop chose to sponsor him on the Arctic Cat.
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Posted by: spike99
We have an '03 Pred-90 and its been running great since day one. We do lots of deep mud, deep water, rought trail and hard sand riding. We've even done a few log & rock cross country rides - got the dents on its chain guard to prove it. Anyway, for my 8/9 year old son, our '03 Pred-90 has been great. It's never been back to its dealer. A few "nice to have improvements" because of our unique riding conditions but that's it. Nice little stock mini for what we use it for....
Regarding the Oil Injection tank welds on the '04 Pred-90, I remember reading something about a different Oil Injection Tank. Some even move the welds down 1/4 inch to releave its pressure on the tank. After its warranty period, some folks even remove its Oil Injection tank and go pre-mix. Going pre-mix is great for racers or "pit crew" who don't have much trust in the factory Oil Injection systems (regardless of its brand).
If optional driving lights, rear disc brakes and reverse is important to you, then focus on the E-Ton Viper line. If you like more suspension and the "Power Rangers" style look, then focus on the Pred-90 brand. Before purchasing any brand, ensure both of your kids are involved in the selection process. After all, they will be the one driving it.
Hope this helps...
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Posted by: spike99
mmills023 (and others with Pred-90 owners),
There is a way you can install a light on the front of your Pred-90. For more details, surf the info within -Press Here-
For a tail light, simply run another live wire off your front light switch, twist tie it to the frame, and splice it within your factory tail light wiring assembly. If wondering, I'm hoping to perform this improvement to our Pred-90 sometime next week.
For safety within our dark bush trails, I feel daytime running lights are mandatory. For even greater safety in other riding conditions, all mini-builders should have mandatory daytime running lights.
For a foot brake, I'm hoping to post the customized Foot Brake information for our Pred-90 by this Saturday. Please stay tuned for this improvement suggestion as well.
Hope this helps...
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Posted by: spike99
I thought the regular flavor was much faster. To me, there's gotta be more weight with the colours of the Troy Lee... Just kidding!!!
Hope you guys have a blast on your Pred-90. I still remember the day we finally got ours. My son was smiles from "ear to ear". A moment in time as if it were yesterday.... Hope to see you on the trails...
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Posted by: fishslab
All I can tell you is if you take the plastic off of the '03 Predator 90 and my '02 Eton 90 you probably could not tell the difference. I actually use my local Polaris dealer to get parts for my eton. I just order the same part for the Predator and it fits.
Posted by: fishslab
That sounds like a great deal!! I got my E-ton for 1399 new, but It had sat on the dealers floor for a year. He just wanted to get rid of it. It has been great so far. I wanted the Predator as well, but my dealer would only go to $2000. I hope your kid enjoy it
Posted by: Mark82ndABN
Same as some of the posts above.....my kid's 04' Pred 90 is awesome. Very fast even with my 170lb butt on it. The Fuel tank/oil tank bracket is a problem....the weld broke a month ago. I didn't bother to bring it in....I sanded around the bracket and NEATLY applied JB Weld. Sanded it down after it was dry and painted it....can't even tell it was ever broken and much stronger than the way they welded it (tried like hell to snap it off with my hands and the bracket didn't even budge...hurt my hands).
Posted by: Mark82ndABN
RoadDoc, you mentioned being concerned about the frame welds .....has anyone been having frame problems with the Pred. 90's other than the little bracket that secures the gas and oil tank? Other than that little weld point our 90 seems to be welded pretty good. This weekend I also took out the entire stock airbox and replaced it with a UNI filter with and Outerwear prefilter right off the carb and then installed Hetrick Racing's aluminum filter guard. Ended up with a 110 main jet and she runs great......plug shows a nice tan color. Pipes are next but by just letting more air in and re-jetting you can notice a nice gain between the low and mid range.
Posted by: Mark82ndABN
RoadDoc, I didn't know about the addition of the gussets on the newer frames. I agree with you, if they are adding gussets there must be a reason for it. As far as riding through mud and water goes, my kids do go through mud and small puddles every once and awhile so there is a little concern on how this new set-up will do. We have not hit any mud or water since putting on the new filter yet though. Water is definitely the bigger concern. In the past I've not noticed a large build up of mud where the new filter and guard is sitting but we will pay more attention to it through a long day of riding.
Posted by: Trasher
I have two kids the same age as your's and they both have E-Ton Viper 90's. They have been nothing but excellent! They both have been trouble free and my kids ride the snot out of them. It hauls my big butt around without a problem too (I just had to test 'em out, right?)
Posted by: Trasher
do a search of this forum on each model. There is great info already posted here on each model. I did that and ended up getting two E-ton Viper 90's because of the positive impute here.
Posted by: RoadDoc
I bought my daughter the Predator and we are very happy with the choice. No problems with it so far. There are a few people having problems with the oil tank weld breaking, but most of these people are saying their kids are riding the heck out of the machine. The Predator is a little larger than the ETON so sizing may be an issue for your kids, they will have more growing room on the Predator. The Predator also has more suspension travel also. On the flip side I have heard a lot of good things about the ETON and would consider it on my next purchase for my younger daughters. The mini market seems to be growing now and who knows what the future holds as they compete for your business. I don't think you will go wrong with either brand.
The 05 models will be released soon and it may be worth the wait to see what improvements/upgrades each Brand/Model will have. The ETON 90 offers reverse in 05. I don't think the other manufactures have released their 05 models yet. You may want to look at other brands also, their are a lot more out there.
Good luck on your purchase and have fun with the kids.
Posted by: RoadDoc
Thanks for the tip on the JB Weld. I didn't know the stuff worked so good. Let us know if continues to work on the Predator. I love the machine but I'm very concerned over the welds.
Posted by: RoadDoc
mmills023 is there anyway you could post some pics of the frame differences on the late model 04's. I think it would be worth the time to fix it now. I have to younger children and the Predator is going to be a hand me down. That is a great deal for an 04 Predator 90. I really like everything about the Predator but I am still concerned over the welds. Mine was manufactured in August of 03 so I don't have the improved frame. Thanks
Posted by: RoadDoc
On the 04 late model frames they put gussets on the weaker spots on the frame and lowered the bracket so the seat didn't hit and break the tab. Gussets are used to add strength to weak spots in the frame which makes me believe weak spots are being discovered. To what extent I don't know but I'm trying to find out. It may just be a quality mechanism to prevent further issues. The point is I don't know and I'm a little concerned. I just want to know what to look for and how to fix it when it happens to mine.
I've heard the air filter adds a decent amount of perfromance. Do you ride in mud or water? If so how does the filter gaurd and outerwear protect the filter?
Posted by: RoadDoc
The Troy Lee Desing is faster, isn't it.
Posted by: bisho12
Im looking to get a mini for my kids. I have a 9 year old and a 7 year old. They currently have a 87 honda trx70 for them. I just got it so they are still learning on it. The hard part is the shifting on th honda. I have looked at the Etons and they are perfect size for them. I have not taken them to see the polaris predator for sizing.
I would like to get some opinions on both to help me in making this disicion. The etons are a little cheaper but that doesnt bother me. I want to get the best quad for the money.
Thanks.
Posted by: bisho12
Thanks guys. Im going to start shopping and take the boys with me to size them. I do like the predator but I am open minded. Im looking to purchase in the next 2-3 weeks.
Thanks again.
Posted by: bisho12
Thanks again guys. Its a tough choice hearing great things about both quads. Like you guys said Im going to take them with me and see which one they like.
Thanks for all the replys.
Posted by: bisho12
Thats ok to post. I m going to look at the polaris predator tomorrow after work. I dont have a kasea dealer close to me but im sure others do.
Posted by: bisho12
Well thanks for the info guys. I m picking up the pred 90 today in an hour. The big reason for going with polaris is the dealer for eton is a real a$$. they would not budge on the price, the service or lack of service was a factor. The polaris dealer I went to is closer and under new managemnet and a pleasure to deal with.
Thanks again for all the help.
by the way its the troy lee edition.
kids like the graphics and think its faster.
Posted by: luvmy400ex
Hello
We have a 04 Predator 90cc
What a great quad, Easy to drive for the little ones, loads of power
Last weekend their quad went for 5 hours straight, just shut it down to refuel
The Eton is a great choice also from what I have read
I would get another Predator in a minute
Posted by: four4fish
go to pep boys and check out the 90 cc 4 stroke with reverse and a bunch of other stuff 899 brand new it looks awsome.
Posted by: 34
I have had the 05 Eton 90 for about a month now. The kids have put about 15 hours on it. Other than having to replace the gasket it has been great. The reverse is a nice bonus. It also has the CDI box wich is adjustable. The kids love the red flashing front light and the horn to drive every one crazy. I ordered the front lights but have not recieved them yet. I weigh in at 235 and took a gps unit with me and got the machine up to 26.3 mph on a flat road. Who knows how accurate the gps is though. For the $300 I saved buying the Eton I got sand tires, wheels, helmet and some gas money. Good luck...............
Posted by: socalgrizz
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Originally posted by: mmills023
well i went out and bought the 04 Predator 90...I talked to the dealer and questioned him about the problems with the welds and such, he showed me a eairler model 04 and then showed me the differences on the one that i got (late model) the bracket is a tad lower and there seems to be gussets on some of the other weak points.
For what it is worth i went and looked at the LEMS, Kaseas, ETONS, and the Polaris...i have to say that they all looked the same (plastic removed), and from what i can tell i woud bet that alot of parts are interchangable.
As far as performance, this thing is great, great suspension travel, great egros for kids, and the list goes on.
Down side, no reverse (though dont think it is necessary on a 200lb quad...though time will tell), no lights (but there are TONS of companies that sell kits for these), and no foot brake (i really wanted this to teach my son how to use the foot brake for the rear brakes), i am looking for a company that sells a conversion (i am sure someone does).
As far as price, i Paid 1799.00 OTD for the polaris, I told the dealer that i would go down the street and buy a eton for 1800.00 and he matched the price...
I will post reviews as time goes on..
as far as i have been able to tell nobody makes a brake for the P90
i am in the process of manufacturing them for sale it's not clear yet if they will be available via an aftermarket atv parts distributor or from my own web site not yet up but the address is www.socalatv.com we haven't hammered out the details with the distributor as of yet
they should be ready for sale in about a month or so, the price has not yet been determined
the new brake will be of an improved design only to make production easier and less costly we have had the current one out on several rides and it has performed perfectly a major improvement for the P90 it has proved much safer for smaller kids with smaller hands
some modification will need to be done, the floorboard and the side cover will need to be cut some and two holes will need to be drilled in the floorboard mount other than that installation should take about one hour and minimal tools are required here is a link to some photo's i also have a couple photo's of the lights we used on the P90 they are trail tech 20 watts each one flood and one spot they work great and mounting was easy they run about $45 each and are very bright
http://public.fotki.com/socalgrizz/
Posted by: mmills023
Ok i know this wasnt in the title....
But i am torn between these models
Kasea 90
Eton 90
Polaris 90
This is for my 8 year old, who is on the taller side of his age group, and will use it for local racing/harescrambles and northern michigan trail riding.
I guess i am mostly wondering abour stock power, size (since he is taller than most), and aftermarket products available. Realibility is a concern as well. I want him be able to be competitive with this, and also be able to hop it up as his skills grow.....also want him to be able to keep up on the trails when we go on family rides.
If this was the wrong place to post i apologize..
Posted by: mmills023
well i went out and bought the 04 Predator 90...I talked to the dealer and questioned him about the problems with the welds and such, he showed me a eairler model 04 and then showed me the differences on the one that i got (late model) the bracket is a tad lower and there seems to be gussets on some of the other weak points.
For what it is worth i went and looked at the LEMS, Kaseas, ETONS, and the Polaris...i have to say that they all looked the same (plastic removed), and from what i can tell i woud bet that alot of parts are interchangable.
As far as performance, this thing is great, great suspension travel, great egros for kids, and the list goes on.
Down side, no reverse (though dont think it is necessary on a 200lb quad...though time will tell), no lights (but there are TONS of companies that sell kits for these), and no foot brake (i really wanted this to teach my son how to use the foot brake for the rear brakes), i am looking for a company that sells a conversion (i am sure someone does).
As far as price, i Paid 1799.00 OTD for the polaris, I told the dealer that i would go down the street and buy a eton for 1800.00 and he matched the price...
I will post reviews as time goes on..
