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Posted by: markvette
i agree both are good machines but i disagree on one point. we own and race an eton and you can buy any race part for a eton tha you can buy for a kasea. also another good point on the eton is that it has a 520 chain and not the smaller 428 like the kasea. all our race parts were bought from WRH racing or T rex tommy. both are really nice guys and can get you almost anything you want for an eton. my sons eton flys and will beat my warrior in a 100 foot drag.
Mark
Posted by: markvette
sorry that is not true eithe. WRH has the plus 3 a-arms for the eton. i am waiting on a set right now. also he has works or elka shocks for them. as far as the nerf bars i have a set of bolt ons on my sons eton that was also bought from WRH. many of the parts that fit the kasea will also fit the eton. also on the chain i was talking about the 90cc quads.
Mark
Posted by: markvette
the nerf bars i have from WRH bolt directly to the holes that the stock ones bolted to. billy holt only lives about 70 miles from me and brought his son twice in the past few months to race with us ad hang out. i also stand by the statement that i can get anyting for my eton that you can get for the kasea. not everything billy sells is on his website. ask him about the gitl he sponsors running the eton in texas. and yes the pipe was built for the poloris but bolted righ on my eton with no mods. and as far as billy and tommy i agree with you they are stand up guys and will treat you right. one thing when they say they shipped me something i usually get it with in 3 days.
Mark
Posted by: markvette
i have dealt with tommy many times. he is a stand up guy. i have called him on weekends and nights and he was always anxious to do what he could to help me out. i have ordered parts many times from him and got them in a very timely matter not like some people i have dealt with and was told over and over my parts were shipped and then never got them. i would recommend trextommy to anyone that wants quality parts and quality technical help.
Mark
Posted by: raptor720
Trinity Racing is the first Company that developed and built performance parts for the Kasea and, probably the first Company that even looked into the modern youth ATV market. When you are looking to purchase parts for your machine, go to the Company that developed them. Not the companies that copy them.
Posted by: raptor720
Billy Holt is a good guy. We talk frequently and share ideas on various topics. He has "been in the business" for longer than most of us have been alive. He is qualified (but tends to like Polaris for some reason????) Some day we will convert him over.
As for the others, I have no idea and really don't care to take the time to find out. Go with who you want but once you are there, don't waste the time of other people when you have questions that can't be answered. You pay for what you get.
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
I have both a KAsea 90 and a Eton Viper 50. BOTH are great lil machines, but I would still go with a Kasea,lots of hop up partsfor this min Eton does too, but Kasea even more.......Either one you will be happy with......... TINA
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
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Originally posted by: pigpen
We went through the exact same excercise with my son Connor age 5. The bottom line is that both
bikes are excellent. Those which say that the Kasea is better than the eton have not done their homework.
Their are suttle differences that make each better in certain categories. I think it all boils down to what you
want out of the bike. If you are planning to race the bike than yes the Kasea has more race specific part than
the Eton. We visited Peak Powersports in Dallas, and trust me Greg Peak has got just about every part you
would possible want for the Kasea's. But, then again he is starting to sell Eton's and race parts for the Eton.
The Kasea is definately easier to work on then the Eton in terms of plastic removal. Two pieces verses six pieces
on the Eton. But, then again this is a plus if you break one piece of plastic you only have to replace that piece.
The disc brakes on the Eton are definately a plus. I really like this feature. The Kasea has a better chain adjustment
system than the Eton (Two bolts versus only one). The Eton is built to last, but then again so is the Kasea.
You really can't go wrong with either one.
I dont know about you, but my Sons Eton truly has more Torque than my Daughters 90 Kasea! The Eton has some get up too!! but she beats hime BIGTIME once she winds it up...... LOL I bought Greg Peaks Sons pipe for my Daughter Kasea, he has gteat knowledge and is a very nice guy...... TINA
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
actually, I bought this one off of Keifers Quad, its was a Trinity pipe.......he made me a heck of a deal I couldnt resist... YEah Greg is cool, he walked us through peice by peice over the phone on how to put on wiring harness our dealers here are total morons..... TINA
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
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Originally posted by: raptor720
Trinity Racing is the first Company that developed and built performance parts for the Kasea and, probably the first Company that even looked into the modern youth ATV market. When you are looking to purchase parts for your machine, go to the Company that developed them. Not the companies that copy them.
there is some truth to that, but Trinity actually was WAY off on simple jetting specs for me and I personally had my best luck with Hetricks...
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
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Originally posted by: raptor720
If you can't jet your own machine, stick to bicycles.
I am sure that others can produce good parts. I would just look for someone who has been in business more than the past few days.
If that comment is directed to me. Well I dont think for a chick Im doing too bad at learning jetting THANK YOU! I jettted my own EX and have done more on my quads than ANY other girl I know. ...I dont appreciate that comment and Im fairly open minded to comments, but talking as if Im a total idiot.you coudlnt be more wrong...... I have trinity products on two of our four quads, so I dont bag on Trinity EVEN though I know personally some of the shotty work they have done to a friends quad, they all have there good and bad points.... I do beleive you were the one who gave me some advice that couldnt be more way off and I saved my self a TON of money by calling Hetricks.........
Im not going to start a total flame off here,but ther are more out there than one Co. who do have good knowlege and I was simply giving my personal opinions on who I think is good to go with....
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
oh.. And furthermore......As for jetting.... The KAsea was the first quad ever owned for us, and you expect a person to know this when they have NEVER owned a quad...?????? These Co. Are suppose to know there stuff, and educate us as well, so if a Co. gives me the incorrect specs on jetting. then who should be the ones who should own a Bicycle then?????Maybe Trinity should stick to Bicycles then too...........
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
again, I think with either quad you chose will be a good choice, both a great mini quads...
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
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Originally posted by: raptor720
tnt, if you comes on here and say essentially that it was not their fault that you could not jet and blame it on a company, it shows you are an idiot. If you can't jet, leave the machine alone. If you are so new to the sport, don't place your opinions on here about what is and is not a good thing.
schwartz, you made the statement not me. I did not classify anyone in that group. I happen to know those guys -
Well you are a total moron for sure ....... I put in the jet they said should work...yeah maybe at sea level Im at 2500 THAT is only obvious that it wont work well for my quad....You have alot of nerve to call a women an idiot... your lack of moral shines through . I DO know how to jet THANKS to reliable companys who took the time and reasearched out what I truly needed for the region I live in.. You obviously dont know how to read either...... I stated when I bought my KAsea, that was the first atv we ever owned.. so THIS MAKES ME AN IDIOT!!!!!!.. So, basically when Im referred to someone on how to jet. YES!!! I DO EXPECT THEM TO KNOW the basics on jetting and how to eduavte me on how to as well!!! I dont know what your problem is ,but you need to get that bit of errogance out of your tail pipe..........TINA BTW>> I do apoligize to the guy who started this thread and got it ruined.......
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
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Originally posted by: mikeschwartz
You better read your statement again and refer back to what you are replying to and you will see.
exactly............
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
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Originally posted by: raptor720
Nope. The comment made it appear that Trinity did not know what they were talking about concerning jetting. That is BS. My response was simply that if jetting was too difficult for you to perform, you should stick to bicycles (something that does not require jetting changes). Now you are simply butt hurt.
Quote~~~there is some truth to that, but Trinity actually was WAY off on simple jetting specs for me and I personally had my best luck with Hetricks...
Didnt you hear me in my previous replies?????? I NEVER said ONCE that Trinity was incompetent of there work, BUT that I had BETTER luck with Hetricks,did I EVER SAY Jetting was too difficult to perfrom????? I NEVER said that!!!!!!What do you want me to post of my experience with what THEY TOLD ME to use,you want me to lie ????????? I have BOTH pipes of theres and have been content with there products I SAY ONCE AGAIN...
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
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Originally posted by: mikeschwartz
TNT,
Don't waste your time with this guy he is obviously a very lonely person. I think he uses these forums to pump up his ego. He does the same thing on another forum too. Just forget about him.
I think your prol right......... He,y I heard of another one who knows alot about Kasea. They are Hardrock motor sports and they have one fast lil girl who races the Kasea.
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
Hi Greg!!!! Its Tina back in Idaho...... Hows those boyz doing on there racing??? Good to see you on the site......
Posted by: TNTQuadJunkies
We all doing great thanks......:0 Troy and I just got back from the WORCS race in Milford this past wk end. Troy took home a 4th place in the B class on his Predator.Were all getting geared up for flattrack season. Even my kids are pretty stoked to race if we can wing the funds.Kelsey is getting so good! As spring approaches we will be needeing to rebuild her top end so you will prol be getting a buzz from us about a few things..... Good to hear to boys are kickin butt!!
Posted by: BrianT
Welcome to the Connection Greg!! I bounce back and forth between here and the other one that you usually post on. Not as much info here as on the other!!
Posted by: TRexTommy51
Well,
I started with the Kasea Mighty Mites back in 1999. I was modifing the suspension just so people could ride them in the yard. Them we moved to LEM's and we modified them for awhile. We started on Dinli's and such about two years ago. Do I maked mistakes, yes. Do I say, Well Brand X is the best and if that is not what you have then I can't help you, No. Has me giving people parts for a Polaris that I designed for a Dinli came back and bite me in the ^&*??? Yes, Mod81 is a good example. I hope I made everything right with him. IS there people out there with more knowledge than me? Yeah, Probably all of them in some way or another. Do I think you are an idiot for not knowing how to jet your kids quad? No, Do I think you should take the time and find out how? If you are serious about racing with it yes, if not, No. Do I know the best chemical to put on Bermuda grass in early fall? No, ERRR Sorry wrong forum.
Posted by: fastfredy
He's either talking about Peck, Hetrick or tommy. All i will say is all three of you need to watch your back.
Posted by: fastfredy
Welcome Greg, I to hop back and forth between the two forums, i like this one better takes lot less time to weed through the BS(except for here lately). If your the one that got you know who to delete his stuff from this topic then U THe Man. Come back anytime. Just click the word (symbols) below to get smilies
Posted by: Raptorlegs
Why you digging up the past funnybone?
Posted by: Scramblur50
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Originally posted by: RideHonda01
if your 13 and over dont ever go for anything below 300cc.. i learned the hard wayhr>
Ya.. I bet it sucks to have to ride something like a 250r BR>
Bryce
Posted by: Scramblur50
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Originally posted by: PeakRacing
Where are the happy faces on this forum, I just gota express myself!!!
Click on the Select Emtion drop-down box and pick an emotion.. that'll put a smiley or whatever on the page...
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Bryce
Posted by: mod81
t-rex,our dealings were just that ,trying to make dinli parts work on my polaris,i made them fit but wasn't satisfied with everything and you stepped up and corrected the problem 100%....my hat is off to you .......
Posted by: pigpen
We went through the exact same excercise with my son Connor age 5. The bottom line is that both
bikes are excellent. Those which say that the Kasea is better than the eton have not done their homework.
Their are suttle differences that make each better in certain categories. I think it all boils down to what you
want out of the bike. If you are planning to race the bike than yes the Kasea has more race specific part than
the Eton. We visited Peak Powersports in Dallas, and trust me Greg Peak has got just about every part you
would possible want for the Kasea's. But, then again he is starting to sell Eton's and race parts for the Eton.
The Kasea is definately easier to work on then the Eton in terms of plastic removal. Two pieces verses six pieces
on the Eton. But, then again this is a plus if you break one piece of plastic you only have to replace that piece.
The disc brakes on the Eton are definately a plus. I really like this feature. The Kasea has a better chain adjustment
system than the Eton (Two bolts versus only one). The Eton is built to last, but then again so is the Kasea.
You really can't go wrong with either one.
Posted by: pigpen
I couldn't agree with you more on both points. The Sanyco engine in those Eton's just seems to have a ton of power. Especially if you
put a pipe on it and change out the clutch springs.
Ya, Greg is just the best guy. We took a day trip up there from Houston to meet him. He is so knowledgeable and helpful. He took off the entire afternoon to answer all of my questions. Connor had a ton of fun playing with Keifer and Noah. We almost bought that pipe from him. That is the one that used to be on Noah's quad right?
Posted by: pigpen
I totaly agree that you can get racing parts for the eton. WRH definately has a wide variety to chose from. But, nothing like what is
offered by Peak Power sports for the Kasea. You can get +3 A-arms with Elka shocks for the Kasea. I can't find any +3 for my eton, just +2. You can get awsome nerf bars which mount directly to the frame like big quads and come with heal kick plates. The list goes on and on. My only hope is that Peak put's together versions of these parts for the eton.
By the way, my son's eton 50 takes a 428 chain.
Posted by: pigpen
This is from the WRH site. If he has +3 A-arms for the eton then they are brand new. You can put Elka shocks on any
bike. But, taking advantage of a long travel +3 setup just is not available for the eton. The nerf bars do not mount to the
frame and existing foot peg bolt holes. Instead they have two pieces of metal which clamp around the frame. These nerf
bars have no heel kick plates. The pipes sold for the eton was never even intended for the eton. I was made for the polaris.
I ended up having one custom made. WRH is working one now that is specifically for the eton. But it has not been released
yet. He even has +4 and +6 rear axles for the Kasea. I can go on and on. I spent a ton of time calling and searching and I
have to stick with my original statement.
Just go to dirtrides.com. Trust me, I have done my homework on this one. The Kasea has
more mx race specific parts than the eton. And keep in mind, I own an eton and love it, and plan to
stick with it. But it's true. It is important to give credit where credit is due. Peak has done a phenomenal job with the Kasea's.
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Posted by: miniuncle
This question usually starts up some very good conversation. If I were you I would do a search here on the forum on both, read what people had to say. Then gather your questions for posting.
Posted by: RideHonda01
if your 13 and over dont ever go for anything below 300cc.. i learned the hard way
Posted by: moonRider
What is the better quad and why? BR>
I like that the eton has rear hydro. brake. But then the Kasea has a rear foot brake which I like also.
Which quad will hold up over the years and be easier to service?
So, over all what would be the best in the long run?
TIA,
Posted by: jstaguy24
I have an eton viper 90 and my brother in law bought two of them for his kids. We are very happy with ours. We have friends with raptor 80's and suzuki lt 80's and the eton performs better then any of them. the only problem we have had is with the chains they sretch and then clank on the chaingaurd. Have to tighten them a few times then remove links and tighten again. other then that they have been great. I am now looking for an eton viper 50 for my daughter. The 80 is to fast for her. Shell turn 5 in oct and the power is to much for her to handle
Posted by: mikeschwartz
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Originally posted by: raptor720
Trinity Racing is the first Company that developed and built performance parts for the Kasea and, probably the first Company that even looked into the modern youth ATV market. When you are looking to purchase parts for your machine, go to the Company that developed them. Not the companies that copy them.
So what your saying is that that the only company that can make a quality product for Kasea is Trinity?
Posted by: mikeschwartz
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Originally posted by: raptor720
Billy Holt is a good guy. We talk frequently and share ideas on various topics. He has "been in the business" for longer than most of us have been alive. He is qualified (but tends to like Polaris for some reason????) Some day we will convert him over.
As for the others, I have no idea and really don't care to take the time to find out. Go with who you want but once you are there, don't waste the time of other people when you have questions that can't be answered. You pay for what you get.
So Hetrick, Peak, and Tomco are nobodys in the business and not even worth your time. You have got to be the most arrogant "you know what" on the planet. You need to get a life buddy.
Posted by: mikeschwartz
TNT,
Don't waste your time with this guy he is obviously a very lonely person. I think he uses these forums to pump up his ego. He does the same thing on another forum too. Just forget about him.
Posted by: mikeschwartz
Peak,
You appear to be a very good person. Please keep us posted on your upcoming products.
Posted by: PeakRacing
Wow, I have had a few people call and tell me about this topic so I came in to see for myself.
The first thing I like to respond to is the topic "Kasea verse Eton." Eton has made some changes in the 04 models
so I like both for different reasons. Each has their + or - as listed by pigpin who obviously has done his homework.
Yes, both can be made into excellent racer quads and yes Chevy Gills Eton Viper sponsored by Bill Holt of WRH racing
is very fast! However, it did take a 103cc big bore Stroker kit engine to beat Keifer's 93cc Kasea, and only by a bike length.
Both Keifer and Chevy were in the air over the finish line. hehehehe
As for Raptors comments it appears that he is referring to me. This simply cannot be true as John knows me personnally,
I have been to his home, I know his children, we have eaten, had drinks, and spent time together. We e-mail each other,
and we call each other so he must be referring to the other guys.
As far as coping Trinitys stuff, surely this cannot be directed at me either. Nothing I manufacture or design is anything that Trinity has
to offer.
Many of the aftermarket stuff Produced by Peak for the Kasea's
are strickly for the Kasea and will not fit others. Peak will be designing things exclusivly for the Eton as well
this winter.
Posted by: PeakRacing
Thanks guys, looks like I need to spend some time on here
and it looks like it will be fun! Where are the happy faces, I can't find them???
Posted by: PeakRacing
Hi Tina, How is the family??? My boys are doing great, they both still took 2nd over all
for the summer series even after a few missed races due to flu bugs and a few chain failures
at the first of the season. How are things up north? Bitter cold here in Texas, almost 40 this morning. LOL
Where are the happy faces on this forum, I just gota express myself!!!
Posted by: PeakRacing
Hi DRR, Well the TQRA race results pretty much tell what I stated. I don't quite under stand your hateful attitude here however, I will be more than happy to show this pic.
I will down load it now to our web site www.dirtrides.com under "images" then under Keifers pics for all to see that are interested. Please allow me to remind you that Keifer is only 8 years old on a 93cc verse a 12 year old on a 103cc big bore stroker kit built by WRH from what I am told.
This pic is from the Nacona TX MX track at the end of what I understand to be a 5 mile track. Please notice the checker flag as they are passing it. It is exactly as I stated.BR>
Sorry, I am not sure what you point is on the rest of your comments??? However, If you would like to make yourself more understandable I will be happy to respond. BR>
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Posted by: PeakRacing
Posted by: MTI
Just to put my 2 cents in: I have talked several times with Greg Peak and I have never found a more knowledgable, willing to help, straight shooting person than Greg. To be honest he is so gernerous with his time I always feel bad when I take too much of his time. Greg is one of those guys that could easily talk Tech circles around most people, but instead he seems to have this instinct that tells him we would never understand...so he tells us very calmly in plain english so we'll get it. You never feel like your bothering him or he is too busy to talk with you. He is a true gentleman in every sense of the word.
I only say this because it is true!!
Now Greg, when are you going to make that rear brake lever for the hydraulic rear disc on the Eton.
Posted by: DRR
Go ahead Greg Post the picture, where Chevy is only 1 bike lenght ahead of your Aluminum chasis Kasey, Every one can try to find it through the TQRA website, great organization by the way, on the MXpictures .com link. How about one of your 68cc Kasey out running Whites 2001 50cc polaris. OOOOPs No number one plate there either. I was browsing and saw one of Chevy Gills Quad in front of yours. The picture must have been taken about fifity feet after the one your talkin about because it looks more like 5 bike lengths. And thats just the start of the race.
Posted by: DRR
Keifer is one heck of a rider along with Noah. But don't leave out the Aluminum frame chasis that is ultra light, and the weight difference of the 2 riders in the 90 class. 10cc was only ment to even the playing field against the expensive aluminum chasis. For the first thru 5th race we were at 93cc's.
You are aware that you were running 68cc in the mini 50 class aren't you. Yes it's legal, last year. But not this year. Katlyn White was only running 50cc, but I do understand your 68cc ran just as strong.
Was the Nacona race one of the last two of the year? Thanks for being polite.
Posted by: Funnybone
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Originally posted by: raptor720
Billy Holt is a good guy. We talk frequently and share ideas on various topics. He has "been in the business" for longer than most of us have been alive. He is qualified (but tends to like Polaris for some reason????) Some day we will convert him over.
As for the others, I have no idea and really don't care to take the time to find out. Go with who you want but once you are there, don't waste the time of other people when you have questions that can't be answered. You pay for what you get.
Posted by: Funnybone
hello all. i don't know much about Kasea. But i do have a sanyco engine / ETON bike. the bike has some pick up power. the engine is steady and willing to rev if you wish. off the starting line, the bike does well, mid power is decent, full throttle the bike is agile and nimble. the brakes are nice with good reflex, the steering is very agile so be careful. the brakes will lock up on if you press too hard. smooth ride with good power. eton is known for its reliability, parts are made in Taiwan and some assembly are in china. As long as the parts come from anywhere but china, it will be a decent bike. Taiwan has a huge motorcycle / scooter population due to lack of parking. Also young people can't afford luxury sized sedans. so the technology for decent bikes are a must. Some bikes in japan and america all come from Taiwan, i suppose TWN is known for their motorcycles now. Japan are known for susuki, yamaha, and honda bikes. Eton can definately compete with these higher end, name brand bikes, with an affordable price tag. in the long run Eton will last just as long as the Japan brands, if not longer. Even in the poorest parts of China, the mechanics working on my bike recognize Eton as an overseas brand, meaning it has quality parts, good power, and reliability. People ride fast in TWN when the light goes green, it's like the start of the Grand Prix. Also they have the highest motorcycle accident rate all over the world. I put a staight flow pipe on mine, chrome of course, and i set off car alarms very easily now. With a helmet on it doesn't sound loud, with my helmet off it's very loud. I'm having fun with my eton. Good luck.
Posted by: Funnybone
hello all. i don't know much about Kasea. But i do have a sanyco engine / ETON bike. the bike has some pick up power. the engine is steady and willing to rev if you wish. off the starting line, the bike does well, mid power is decent, full throttle the bike is agile and nimble. the brakes are nice with good reflex, the steering is very agile so be careful. the brakes will lock up on if you press too hard. smooth ride with good power. eton is known for its reliability, parts are made in Taiwan and some assembly are in china. As long as the parts come from anywhere but china, it will be a decent bike. Taiwan has a huge motorcycle / scooter population due to lack of parking. Also young people can't afford luxury sized sedans. so the technology for decent bikes are a must. Some bikes in japan and america all come from Taiwan, i suppose TWN is known for their motorcycles now. Japan are known for susuki, yamaha, and honda bikes. Eton can definately compete with these higher end, name brand bikes, with an affordable price tag. in the long run Eton will last just as long as the Japan brands, if not longer. Even in the poorest parts of China, the mechanics working on my bike recognize Eton as an overseas brand, meaning it has quality parts, good power, and reliability. People ride fast in TWN when the light goes green, it's like the start of the Grand Prix. Also they have the highest motorcycle accident rate all over the world. I put a staight flow pipe on mine, chrome of course, and i set off car alarms very easily now. With a helmet on it doesn't sound loud, with my helmet off it's very loud. I'm having fun with my eton. Good luck.
Posted by: Funnybone
oh, yeah one more thing, all yall putting all these names on the wall, there just names. remember, these are little kids bikes, just like when parents start to fight at a little league game. Yall can trick out as many parts you want on a bike, you can pay twice to three times the amount of money the bike is actually worth. if you a kid and don't have any balls, your not going to win. if you don't have any skills, the lightest bike out there won't help you win. if yall girls, then yall have an edge because girls weigh a fraction of our weight. That's the biggest edge, power to weight. if you put a 130 pound 10 year old on a bike, he won't go very fast, bviously he aint suppose to be there, not with 90 cc's atleast. If you a 65 - 70 pound 10 year old girl, that's a good combination for 90 cc's.
