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Posted by: Eric Zeh
Honda produced three different versions of Odyssey/Pilot type ATV&39;s. The FL250, FL350R and the FL400R. The 250 and 350 are called Odyssey&39;s and the 400 is called the Pilot. These are some of the safest ATV&39;s ever made. They can and have been raced very successfully. The Odysseys can be had at reasonable prices, but many times you will see the Pilot's selling for more than they sold for new, but in turn give you the biggest bang. If these vehicles interest you then check out Mike's Pilot Page at:
http://www.off-road.com/atv/pilot/ .
Be sure to check out his link's section, as there are many different web pages dedicated to these interesting ATV's.
Eric Zeh '85 FL350R
Posted by: Eric Zeh
Brandon Price, AKA: "MaxRules. Does owning a Max make you more prone to calling people names? Are you by chance a Max dealer? The reason I ask is because it's all you ever talk about! For instance: this thread was started about Pilots, and even though you already have a thread started about how great your Max is, you still had to butt in. You start by dismissing the qualities of the Pilot. Then proceed to tell us how great your precious Max is and how everybody else's ride is a piece of junk!
Then when someone disagrees with you, you resort to name calling. This isnt the first time you&39;ve done this either! What do you hope to accomplish by behaving like this? I can tell you one thing, you won&39;t convince anyone that they should buy a Max with this little routine.
Eric Zeh
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Posted by: Eric Zeh
You totally missed my point.
Eric Zeh
Posted by: Robert Venable
I love Pilots. I wish I had one. They are amazing. They are the best looking atv's ever. They even created a race class for them, Stadium Lites. They were made in only 89 and 90 because of there high price (back then) of $5995.00. They were powered by a 397cc water cooled 2-stroke. They are the one of the only 3-Honda atv's (Pilots, Odyssey FL250, and Odyssey FL350) to have a belt drive(a.k.a Automatic) transmission.
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Arctic Cat 500, Not your average Kitty, The New King Of the Jungle
Posted by: Robert Venable
I would get a quad before a Max any day. If I ever did want a 6x6 of an 8x8 I would get an Argo.
Posted by: Robert Venable
Unless your Polaris had a broken CV-joint, you didn't have a Polaris 4x4. What Polaris did you so call own?
Ask anybody at this site, ask polaris dealers
ask polaris. Polaris 4x4's never pull 3 wheels unless broken.
The Ranger has True 6-wheel drive. Who told you it had bad traction?
You ask how Baja Trucks got in to this? How did the make get in to this?
You polaris ran dry of transmission fluid?
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Arctic Cat 500, Not your average Kitty, The New King Of the Jungle
Posted by: Robert Venable
You say I'm a Dumb ass. You're very right. I mean look at me, I am actually trying to speak to you politely and not be childish (my opinion, and maybe other's)like you were, even though you will most likely go back to name calling.
You have probaly pulled many quads out of the mud, but I realy don't care.
You say: I ride in mud, snow, sand, hills, ditches, creeks, rocks, logs, and lakes.
I would like to see you cross the ditches and logs I cross.
You say: For hauling heavy loads there is no better ATV than the Max. The Max is more powerful and gets better traction than any quad.
For I know an atleast 2 ATV's that can pull more and better than the Max: Polaris Ranger and the Argo 8x8. Both have more weight(which= better traction) and more torque. The Max is not more powerful than all
quads. My Arctic Cat 500 has 30.6 and the Grizzly has 28 ft.lbs of torque compared to about 22 ft.lbs on an 18 H.P max.
Your CVT transmission ran out of fluid? I might be wrong , but I don't think a CTV trans needs fluid.
Speed is not an issue in the terrain the Max is designed for. If a Max could go 50mph I would not do it. Going 25mph is more than enough, you simply can't control it at high speeds. WHY? Because it was designed for rough terrain, not racing.
Baja Trucks are designed for rough terrain but yet they do 150+ mph hitting bolders, ruts, and washouts from cm to about 2-feet.
I found out that most lamers on this discussion board know little or nothing about the Max. How can you compare when you have never ridden a Max? I have owned several quads, new and used, all different brands.
Have you owned or even ridden a Grizzly, Banshee, Sportsman 500, 400ex, Traxter, DS650, or an Arctic Cat. If not, how you realy can't say the Max is the best ATV, you can that it is the best quad you have ever ridden but not the best ever.
Sorry for the super long post, but I was trying to make a point.
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Arctic Cat 500, Not your average Kitty, The New King Of the Jungle
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Posted by: Tree Farmer
The topic was, "Pilots!" Yet, somehow, we discuss Maxes. I confess, I've never ridden a Max, but they look like fun, and their amphibious capability intrigues me.
Now, a couple of points. MaxRules, you slam Argo's et al because you claim those machines have differentials. However, you previously reported Polarises have differentials (Polarises do not). What persuades readers of the accuracy of your Argo drivetrain analysis?
Further, you mention "farmers" who have never ridden Maxes. What relevance is one's vocation to the Max experience? Is a Max-virgin farmer's ignorance more profound than a corresponding carpenter's, accountant's or brain surgeon's? Or were you using "farmer" as a derogatory term? If so, I'd like to know: what's your house made of, and what do you eat?
One more point; I notice in your now-deleted post you resorted to name-calling and profanity (you owe Robert Venable an apology, if you possess sufficient character to offer one). These desperate efforts do not improve your argument; rather, the reverse, raising the question: Whom are your trying to convince of your Max's superiority? Yourself?
Tree Farmer
P.S. One more small detail, and I'm out of here. MaxRules, you claim the Max is the most "powerful" machine, in comparison with quads. Some definition of terms, like "powerful" may be useful for discussion. Before I quit school, my teacher told me one horsepower was 550 ft-lbs per second (another told me it was 746 watts, before he broke my watch crystal when he struck me with his ruler (I probably deserved it)). Unless these definitions have been amended or repealed, the Max is NOT the most powerful ATV on the planet.
T.F.
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Posted by: Tree Farmer
MaxRules: Do all Maxes come with a computer keyboard that types, even while totally submerged under delusions of grandeur, like yours?
If you insist on slamming other folks' rides, I suggest you get one or two facts right, at least.
(You seem to know lots about what a Ranger "probably" can't do, from what you "heard" (from whom? Psychic Friends Network?), not to mention what an Argo can't do, against the new (Wow!) Max IV, er, probably.)
Tree Farmer
Posted by: MaxRules
I just checked out that site, looks like a cool ATV. To bad Honda gave up and stopped making them. Looks like if you make to high of a jump it may hurt a little...
I have been riding my Max with my uncle and he has a Polaris. I follow him everywhere. We make our own trails and I can easily go anywhere that he does. Most of the time was wasted trying to find a way around an obsticle that he could not pass, like a deep creek. I had lots of fun showing off my Max to three people swimming in the creek. They loved my Max and wanted their own. They never said a word about the lame Polaris sitting on shore.
Argo makes 6x6 and 8x8. They suck because they have a differential. Not all wheels always turn. It is really like a 3x6 or 4x8. The Max has true six wheel drive.
Posted by: MaxRules
NO I am not a dealer and NO I am not saying the everyone's ATV is junk, there are lots of Max owners out there you know! I do talk about other things, but of course they are all about my Max because that is my ATV. With the terrain I ride on, speed is not an issue. I ride in mud, snow, sand, hills, ditches, creeks, rocks, logs, and lakes. I can ride through the rough terrain to a lake and drive out to the middle and go fishing. For hauling heavy loads there is no better ATV than the Max. The Max is more powerful and gets better traction than any quad.
Most of you have never rode a Max or some of you may never even have seen one. I can say (in my opinion) that the Max is the best because I have owned several quads to compare to the Max. Of the quads I have owned, I liked the Polaris the best. It did give me the most trouble but some of it may have been my fault. The two main problems I had was the spark plug wire fell off (that's right, FELL off) and the tranny locked up because somehow it ran out of fluid. It was a fun machine but the Max does so much more I can't help but love the Max. Try it and you will agree.
Posted by: MaxRules
RidE I don't think you understand what I said. I said the Max is MORE powerful than a quad when pulling heavy loads. Speed is not an issue in the terrain the Max is designed for. If a Max could go 50mph I would not do it. Going 25mph is more than enough, you simply can't control it at high speeds. WHY? Because it was designed for rough terrain, not racing.
I found out that most lamers on this discussion board know little or nothing about the Max. How can you compare when you have never ridden a Max? I have owned several quads, new and used, all different brands. I have a new Max so I can compare it to quads. Do yourself a favor and go ride a Max.
Posted by: MaxRules
The Ranger probably can't out pull the Max. I heard it had bad traction, maybe because of the tires, I don't know. It isn't true six wheel drive. An Argo 8x8 (I am not really comparing Max/Argo) could out pull my Max, but I don't think it could the new Max IV 25HP. The Argo would only have four wheels pulling, while the Max would have all six.
Even if you quad has more HP, it still can't out pull the Max because the Max has more traction.
Yes my Polaris ran dry of fluid. The dipstick is right behind the recoil starter, take a look.
I don't know how baja trucks got in this. So they go really fast and hit stuff. My Max costs just a little over $5000. How much does one of those trucks cost? Are they amphibious?
No I have never owned any of those quads. Have you ever owned/ridden a Max?
Tree Farmer:
The only part of your post I understand is about the differentials. I don't know what kind of thing Polaris has, I just know not all four wheels always pull. I do know Argo's setup and yes they have differentials. The side with the least traction spins. To test this, jack up one side of the Argo. With both levers forward, give it gas. You will see that the side off the ground will spin, while the other will do nothing. Do this with a Max and both sides go and it will fall off the jack. The T-20 is a better tranny than the Argo's. I do lots of muddin' so I need six wheel drive all the time.
Posted by: MaxRules
If you live near Missouri you are welcome to come to my house with your quad and I will show you the Max in action. You may lead on your quad and go anywhere you want and I will follow in my Max. Then I will lead and you can TRY to follow me. Be sure to bring a winch, tools, and your swimming gear (the creek gets deep). It won't take long and you will be convinced, there is nothing mightier than the Max!
Posted by: MaxRules
You are right boger, instead of buying a Max, you should buy a dictionary.
Posted by: MaxRules
Maybe the creek is a little more of a river. It did get dried up in a few areas but most are a good 10-15 feet deep. My Max does 25mph, not 5, and I am not worried about speed. If I want to go fast I'll get in my car and do 70 down the highway. The mud you see on my site is still there. It is about two feet deep with no water. It never dried up through the whole summer. As for hills, my Max is better because it has a wider wheel base so it is more stable. I took it to a public riding area near my house and ran it up and down the steep hills of that little white rock stuff. I also ran it on the MX track. After I got tired of just going where quads could go I drove into a lake and floated around. Everyone was watching my bad ass machine the whole time and I got a big audience when I drove into the lake. Strange how they never bothered to look at the quads doing 50mph+ down the road...
Heil Max!
Posted by: Snapper_Rider
Does anyone know why the '85 Oddyssey has such a wide turning radius?
Posted by: Boger
Hey, get this; I love all off-road vehicles for some reason :) Its just a closeness I feel with them. I'm already planning the mods I'm going to do to y first truck. I was thinksing 6x6 Jeep Scrambler, nice old 76 Bronco, or a Baja Tundra(replica of the racing one).
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*400EX* *LT250R* Evan Johnson Email: JaVa003@AoL.CoM
Posted by: Boger
Brandon, I suggest you calm don with hte "My Max can do this, my Max can do that" WE down care at all. We a sick and tired of hearing abut the MAX. this is address to you Brandon, BOO TO YOU!!!
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Posted by: RidE
I've heard Honda Pilots are the safest ATV ever. I automatically assumed they weren't used for sport riding, then saw a pic of one on a track grabbing air on a jump. Personally, I love the way it looks, and am wondering about the availability of them. Can you ride real aggressive sport on them? Anyone have any pics or know where I can see some? I'm pretty interested in Pilots now...
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Posted by: RidE
I don't want to sit here and argue, but you claimin' that the max is the best...what do you have to say to the AGGRESSIVE SPORT quad riders out there? Is it the best for racing? It doesn't make sense to say that the max is the MOST POWERFUL, then turn around and say SPEED ISN'T AN ISSUE. Sure, power is needed to tear through hard-core terrain, but it is greatly needed for speed. How...how can it be the MOST POWERFUL, but no speed? I have nothing against the max or anything else, but to claim it is the BEST when there are many aggressive hi-speed sport riders reading, then claim it to be the most POWERFUL when it can't hit near as high of speed as the people reading, that is totally lame. Peace, I love everyones quads, but this just makes no sense. Later...
Posted by: Rob_Maggard
Boy, this site has really changed in the past couple of weeks! Lol.............anyways,
I'll betcha that if you took a grizzley and your max out on a paved surface where both machines have better traction, that the griz(or even a '79 ATC 70, for that matter) will out pull your machine, because of it having more power. Just because something weighs more than something else don't neccasarily mean that it has more traction in ever condition. Aside from all of that, I think that the pilots are awesome, I almost bought one at an auction, but it was missing most of the motor, and still went for two grand. Hey tree farmer, it's good to see that there is someone else in here that has a couple of acres of his own sweat and blood.
350XX, 250R, 200XX, 450S
Posted by: quad_man
I agree, they are big. I sat in one in the dealers service center. He said he would set me up a ride in it next time we go out, if he can get the guy to go.
One thing he told me is that it pushes the front end very bad, unless you brake the inside wheel of the way you are turning.
Evan,
I think an Argo is a 8x8? I might be wrong, but I thought it was like a Max or somthing. By the way, how much better is that EX than your Blater? I can only guess you never miss the 200!
Adam Dowden
Posted by: quad_man
I have always wanted to drive one. I have heard there are still a few dealers will brand new ones in crates that are stored.
Honda stopped making them in 1991 I think (guess), but dealers still had some left over for the next couple years.
Doing a search for Honda Pilot at somewhere like metacrawler.com should brong up some stuff.
I have seen totaly stock ones for sale from $3500-$6500 in newspapers, and classifieds.
Adam Dowden
Posted by: quad_man
Max told it was his uncle who had the Polaris, a Trail Boss 250 2wd. That explains why all 4 tires wouldn't spin. Must of been that differential....
Posted by: rottwolf
Hello all. My Dad owns a Pilot. I've went to Little Sahara in Oklahoma twice and rode it for 3 days. While it can be fun, I'd rather a quad. It's got a 400cc 2 stroke, but it's really heavy. Now my Dad's was stock when I rode it. It is fun, but a lot different from a quad. I don't have tons of experience riding a 4 wheeler, but I can tell you they are totally different. You're sitting down, for one thing. I wouldn't ride a pilot over a quad. I wouldn't mind getting one for my wife, though. It's very heavy. When I get off a descent sized dune there, I can catch just a small amount of air, if any. Don't know if this helped, but it's my opinion.
Jason
Posted by: chrisjack
For one, yes pilots are BAD machines, i saw one at the dunes this weekend ripping it up! On the point of the max, this winter big guy gcome up to michigan and we'll go anywhere you want, then you try to follow me punk, bring you "Mighty Max" and ill run circles all around you big fellah! Then we can race and do jump and everything!! i bet ya cant follow me over the 30 ft double jumps... now shut up and ride it!
Chris Jack
broke 87 lt250 (soon to be fixed (hopefully_)
Posted by: Reconrider
Alright Max Rules. Unlike all other people in here i have rode a max. it wont do over 5 mph and I also live near mossiori . If youve been paying attensioon we havent had a rain in over a month and a half. That creek u talk about must be gettin pretty dry. Mud??? yeah right. I have no mud puddles at my house or anywhere else I've been. Now shaddup about your max before I slap the taste outta your mouth.
Posted by: Screamin_demon
yes, i bet your dictionarys can do more than your max. I bet it can climb 2 foot logs with ease. Hmm id even buy a dictionary for recreational purposes over a max. I bet it can do anything, (the the damn things are smart too!!)
The Demon Strikes again! MUAH HAH HA
